This obsession with creep camps is probably side effect of almost two decades of wc3, where fighting over them is pretty much the most important thing. In dota you get to live out your fantasy of getting all the creeps and leveling up your hero :P
Hey Grubby I hadn't heard of you before your switch to dota but I gotta say I'm super impressed with not only your attitude towards the game but your incredible work ethic pumping out these videos every day. Glad to have you in our community!
People are mistaken on the definition of precision. Likening it to accuracy. But precision is the ability to get the same result constantly. So technically the arrow is precise. As it always goes exactly where you direct it.
I think this is a clear example where the game is so long that the brain kinda switches off towards the end, when it becomes the most important. Ult out of the fountain, frontline E-in Mirana, no BKB. That's why he plays so much better when a coach is here because it's a constant reminder to think about what he needs to do BEFORE the fight
he shouldn't have played mirana in the first place, the worst hero ever that exists with weakest kit, just pick willow or someone else that does mirana's job better, throughout demos he is always impressed with what heroes do but here he clearly was disappointed as well
@@q_taipan He's doing A-Z challenge, of course he is playing Mirana. Doesn't matter if she's the worst hero or whatever, he's playing all of the heroes.
@@Ryan-sn3uo im saying is that this hero is trash and if he ever got into that situation again, im sure he would end up better with another hero because here it was a dead end
POTM is my favorite hero. I always go for more arrows and -cd on arrows. It's an amazing skill. 5 sec stun is enough to kill anyone. Also there are a lot of setups. Euls is undodgeable. Throw arrows from the woods so that it hits immediately when enemy is near a tree so that they can't dodge. Use angles that are hard to spot. Like gank mid from behind so that his camera is not centered on arrow travel. I also love to roam with her. Keep the whole map nervous and looking for arrows. Another close-mid range trick is to hit with an auto attack once, then arrow and immediately leap so that you mask your arrow with leap and autoattacks.
Nice tricks! To add to that, a tip I found useful to learn is to anticipate when creeps are about to die. You can either mask arrows with creeps close to death, or hit enemies about to lasthit/deny as they’re doing the auto-attack animation.
Shes mostly played support nowadays. And shes great at setting up kills early game. Specially if you have Eul's. But her impact late game drops drastically
@@LLlap how is that accountable? you can zone with it but it is as mirana herself is very negligible, she is trash, stop simping for hero that is good at nothing but stealing offlaners creeps with arrow
Regarding min 56:00 Always, always attack ranged barracks first. The melee is double health, double armor and has regen. Furthermore the ranged creep is the one that actually pushes.
Mirana, as a lot of other heroes is very versatile. Can easily be played in any single position. People often mistake about 'popularity' of certain heroes on said positions to their actual usefulness.
@@Ivan-xg1hx Of course she is, now can you tell me why Mirana and / or Bane were top pick/ban for the hard lane at TI 2014? If you play her solo, I will agree. If you can be paired with someone who can setup the arrow into easy kills (like Bane, but other heroes are also suitable), it is completely different matter. The issue with most players is they do not understand that a lot of stuff which were valid a long time ago are also now. Twice as much in public games, where 99% of the games are done.
@@dtibvgz8441 nah ti and pub games are different things, in Ti if team picks offlane mirana then they will have compensation pick , most likely pos5 will be more tanky... don’t expect those sort of picks in pubs , also compensation can be in form of play style and strategy on , may be they will have hit and run types of heros lineup so, no tanky frontliner is needed.
@@90AlmostFamous Indeed it is different to play in a tournament or more organized environment and public / small party game. Yet Bane and Mirana combo was used numerous times successfully in public games in a lot of occasions and especially recently after the TI ... inspired by it. Durable front-liner is not needed, initiation or counter initiation is what is usually the role of the hard-lane core. Mirana can easily serve this function if one of the other cores is not suitable, but some middle or carry can also do that naturally. I was pointing out that Mirana is completely capable to be played easily on the offlane, it just requires some setup beforehand to be effective.
The only one that can use Mirana in any position is SingSing But anyway, Mirana is a good early to mid support hero if you have a hero that can initiate for her, such as Kunkka, Shadow Demon, Bane, or anyone with Euls so she can land the longest duration and damage arrow. Also leaping forward isn't recommended unless the enemy is stunned and you need to finish them off with Star Storm.
Just want to fill you in. Sacred Arrow is a spear. Mirana animates her arm like she's throwing a spear, and it's too big to launch from her bow. Sacred Arrow is the biggest lie in Dota 2. On a sidenote, a lot of heroes like Clockwork and Pudge make you feel bad for missing their skillshot because you look like an idiot, but with Mirana if you miss an arrow it's a lot easier to shrug it off, and you still get that cathartic "I'm a genius" when you hit the enemy.
pos 4 is strong but pos 5 might be her best role right now. she can pull and help from a distance with arrow. you build urn first and a forcestaff or euls (if theres a reason for euls like juggernaut ulti or silences) and its really strong. you can leap in and euls legion commander or axe taunts to save. on the bounty rune timers in mid the arrows are especially strong because there is almost never vision on the runes and midlaners tunnel vision on those things with their empty bottles in hand.
Hello Good Sir, My 2 cents here, Ninja Gear active ability is smoke (like smoke of deceit) You could've used it to dodge sniper ult at 56:21... Anyways I love A-Z...😊😊
comeback mechanics in dota must be insane. The enemy team was pub stomped by more than 10 kills behind, yet they became the dominant team during teamfights.
For heros like mirana slark and espacially sf it might be worth to bind "directional movement" key. Maybe you already have but i didnt see it so far and watch pretty much all games ^^
I think the main part you missed is that mirana isnt really a carry,. She sets up/initiates kills for the team and is really slippery and can pick you off with burst in fights. She will lose to nearly every carry in a straight up fight but is insanely strong early game and can "carry" and end before bkbs are a problem. Loving these videos and seeing your fresh perspective while also knowing a bit about the flow of these kind of games
Most carries aren't "carrying" without their team. Saying she's less of a carry because she can't 1v1 is weird. That's like saying the only carry that matters is the strongest one in that patch. Only man fight carries are carries.
Some people can pull off Mirana mid, but she is not 3 for sure. Position 3 has to be someone durable, and can initiate a fight. Mirana's initiation is too unreliable. My build for Mirana 4 is you buy a Sage's mask, take level one arrow, then you just assist your pos 3, and farm neutral creep with your arrow, it will give you an exp and gold advatage over enemy duo. Just make sure enemy support is far from the neutral creeps, you can farm a big camp on your triangle, distance yourself from a teammate, so that way your pos 3 takes all the EXP from the lane creeps, and you take the full EXP from Neutral. But make sure your teammate is safe before leaving.
this is a trap when playing mirana core . she often dies because she has a leap... i believe magic build is kinda viable as a mid. but i always like to play her as a 4. stunning even if you are 4/12 accuracy is always addictive.
It was a good decision to go full carry build. I would do the same if it was my first time and I know that I would probably miss all my arrows anyway so might as well build on things that will surely hit i.e. my normal attacks.
Mirana is one of the most flexible hero in dota, can be played as carry, mid or roaming support. If played as core, it it recommended to build maelstorm, manta and skadi. Euls for support mirana. Mirana doesnt excel in any roles thats her downside.
Such bad decision making, out of position, spamming all mana on creeps beginning game. Tunnel vision so bad ganked on top lane, stopping and creeping during a teamfight. Sometimes he think creeping is better than defending his base or fighting with his team. Watching that was like watching a train crash in slow motion
Deadly precision is correct. Precision: likelihood to hit the same point as before when aiming at exactly the same spot. Accuracy: likelihood to hit the target you aimed at.
Mirana gets out carried hard late game by sniper and Medusa. Especially Medusa who’s one of the best late game Carry’s, if she gets the farm. You guys had a better chance of winning grouping up mid game and pushing together.
I would advise you not to buy active items if you do not intend to use them. I know the guide says certain items are good, and in fact, they are, but if you do not have the habit of using the inventory it's pointless. Also, you need to start watching your minimap more. GL NEXT, SIR!!!
Hes amazing, i can't , i'm in tears ... my favorite moment is when he stoped at the fucking Ancients while being pursued but 3 heroes and 1 of em was in front of him .. i cant... the more he learns, the worst decisions he makes xD because nows he's greedy ,,, hahaha
grubby: "i LIED to the youtube community!!!" also grubby: "let me explain in full detail why this is not the first game so you can fully understand my reasoning and therefor hopefully forgive me"
Oh my god, why am I always out of mana? Cause u don't have mana items and are always spamming skills. Oh so I just need more damage right? No. Gotcha, gonna build even more damage XD thx chat
This obsession with creep camps is probably side effect of almost two decades of wc3, where fighting over them is pretty much the most important thing. In dota you get to live out your fantasy of getting all the creeps and leveling up your hero :P
totally reported , lol
Hey Grubby I hadn't heard of you before your switch to dota but I gotta say I'm super impressed with not only your attitude towards the game but your incredible work ethic pumping out these videos every day. Glad to have you in our community!
People are mistaken on the definition of precision. Likening it to accuracy. But precision is the ability to get the same result constantly. So technically the arrow is precise. As it always goes exactly where you direct it.
Beautiful thumbnail
Yes peak beauty.
Marci Mirana lane and DK CM lane on the other side of the map? Which season of the anime is this?
I think this is a clear example where the game is so long that the brain kinda switches off towards the end, when it becomes the most important. Ult out of the fountain, frontline E-in Mirana, no BKB. That's why he plays so much better when a coach is here because it's a constant reminder to think about what he needs to do BEFORE the fight
he shouldn't have played mirana in the first place, the worst hero ever that exists with weakest kit, just pick willow or someone else that does mirana's job better, throughout demos he is always impressed with what heroes do but here he clearly was disappointed as well
@@q_taipan He's doing A-Z challenge, of course he is playing Mirana. Doesn't matter if she's the worst hero or whatever, he's playing all of the heroes.
@@Ryan-sn3uo im saying is that this hero is trash and if he ever got into that situation again, im sure he would end up better with another hero because here it was a dead end
POTM is my favorite hero. I always go for more arrows and -cd on arrows. It's an amazing skill. 5 sec stun is enough to kill anyone. Also there are a lot of setups. Euls is undodgeable.
Throw arrows from the woods so that it hits immediately when enemy is near a tree so that they can't dodge. Use angles that are hard to spot. Like gank mid from behind so that his camera is not centered on arrow travel.
I also love to roam with her. Keep the whole map nervous and looking for arrows.
Another close-mid range trick is to hit with an auto attack once, then arrow and immediately leap so that you mask your arrow with leap and autoattacks.
Nice tricks! To add to that, a tip I found useful to learn is to anticipate when creeps are about to die. You can either mask arrows with creeps close to death, or hit enemies about to lasthit/deny as they’re doing the auto-attack animation.
Shes mostly played support nowadays. And shes great at setting up kills early game. Specially if you have Eul's. But her impact late game drops drastically
Untill you hit a tripple 5 sec stun :)
Buy 6 rapiers :)
@@LLlap how is that accountable? you can zone with it but it is as mirana herself is very negligible, she is trash, stop simping for hero that is good at nothing but stealing offlaners creeps with arrow
@@q_taipan yeah and invo just casts spells
@@q_taipan you know its really not the "hero's" fault right? Its the player's behavior that needs corrected :)
Regarding min 56:00 Always, always attack ranged barracks first. The melee is double health, double armor and has regen. Furthermore the ranged creep is the one that actually pushes.
This was my first favorite hero in Dota1. When I first saw her kit it felt like she could do everything. And during those early days, she did
Mirana is one of few heroes that can be played good on all positions and lanes.
Marci sup for Mirana is canon as fck
OD is better with max arrow
random question: do you still have the Paddington mug seen on the WC3 Beyond the game documentary?
Mirana, as a lot of other heroes is very versatile. Can easily be played in any single position. People often mistake about 'popularity' of certain heroes on said positions to their actual usefulness.
Nope, she is really bad if you play her on offlane
@@Ivan-xg1hx Of course she is, now can you tell me why Mirana and / or Bane were top pick/ban for the hard lane at TI 2014?
If you play her solo, I will agree. If you can be paired with someone who can setup the arrow into easy kills (like Bane, but other heroes are also suitable), it is completely different matter.
The issue with most players is they do not understand that a lot of stuff which were valid a long time ago are also now. Twice as much in public games, where 99% of the games are done.
@@dtibvgz8441 nah ti and pub games are different things, in Ti if team picks offlane mirana then they will have compensation pick , most likely pos5 will be more tanky... don’t expect those sort of picks in pubs , also compensation can be in form of play style and strategy on , may be they will have hit and run types of heros lineup so, no tanky frontliner is needed.
@@90AlmostFamous Indeed it is different to play in a tournament or more organized environment and public / small party game. Yet Bane and Mirana combo was used numerous times successfully in public games in a lot of occasions and especially recently after the TI ... inspired by it.
Durable front-liner is not needed, initiation or counter initiation is what is usually the role of the hard-lane core. Mirana can easily serve this function if one of the other cores is not suitable, but some middle or carry can also do that naturally.
I was pointing out that Mirana is completely capable to be played easily on the offlane, it just requires some setup beforehand to be effective.
The only one that can use Mirana in any position is SingSing
But anyway, Mirana is a good early to mid support hero if you have a hero that can initiate for her, such as Kunkka, Shadow Demon, Bane, or anyone with Euls so she can land the longest duration and damage arrow. Also leaping forward isn't recommended unless the enemy is stunned and you need to finish them off with Star Storm.
She is also known as Potm by some of the older Dota players Grubby, Priestess of the moon.
he called her potm's daughter in the video
Just want to fill you in. Sacred Arrow is a spear. Mirana animates her arm like she's throwing a spear, and it's too big to launch from her bow. Sacred Arrow is the biggest lie in Dota 2.
On a sidenote, a lot of heroes like Clockwork and Pudge make you feel bad for missing their skillshot because you look like an idiot, but with Mirana if you miss an arrow it's a lot easier to shrug it off, and you still get that cathartic "I'm a genius" when you hit the enemy.
pos 4 is strong but pos 5 might be her best role right now. she can pull and help from a distance with arrow. you build urn first and a forcestaff or euls (if theres a reason for euls like juggernaut ulti or silences) and its really strong. you can leap in and euls legion commander or axe taunts to save. on the bounty rune timers in mid the arrows are especially strong because there is almost never vision on the runes and midlaners tunnel vision on those things with their empty bottles in hand.
Hello Good Sir,
My 2 cents here,
Ninja Gear active ability is smoke (like smoke of deceit)
You could've used it to dodge sniper ult at 56:21...
Anyways I love A-Z...😊😊
_Giggling whistle_
Precision is an aspect of the tools, accuracy is an aspect of the archer. Just commenting for RUclips algorithm
random question was marci not talking because shes mute and you were mirana because lore lol?
comeback mechanics in dota must be insane. The enemy team was pub stomped by more than 10 kills behind, yet they became the dominant team during teamfights.
Enemy sniper kills Grubby's courier, fights him under tower with no creeps, kills him, walks away, refuses to elaborate
Watching glass cannon build jump into frontline hurts my soul. 😖
I thought you gonna have a discord call with Singsing to learn how to "shoot arrow hit arrow"
diffusal+manta could have been strong this game, the mana burn is excellent against Medusa and Dragon knight and manta is useful vs Crystal Maiden
Lol I love how grubby makes the sounds his hero makes
Mirana was my classic playmaker hero. Definitely great in setting up kills.
Grubby carrying 2022 Dota 2 on his back!
35:11 backflip into arrow
Be we wanna see that lost game, noooo, give us.
Yes, first loss should also be uploaded
@@zazo100 absolutely
The best part about playing mirana is you get better with casting your arrow the more you play.
That's all heroes tho
For heros like mirana slark and espacially sf it might be worth to bind "directional movement" key.
Maybe you already have but i didnt see it so far and watch pretty much all games ^^
ask purge for Morphling help next
I think the main part you missed is that mirana isnt really a carry,. She sets up/initiates kills for the team and is really slippery and can pick you off with burst in fights. She will lose to nearly every carry in a straight up fight but is insanely strong early game and can "carry" and end before bkbs are a problem.
Loving these videos and seeing your fresh perspective while also knowing a bit about the flow of these kind of games
Most carries aren't "carrying" without their team. Saying she's less of a carry because she can't 1v1 is weird. That's like saying the only carry that matters is the strongest one in that patch.
Only man fight carries are carries.
@@CJ-ct2mu she’s semi carry, you def wanna end the game early if mirana is ur main carry
Thanks for those A-Z videos ! Love them !
Glad you like them!
She was a traditional mid laner years ago but now she become a pos 4 sup
Some people can pull off Mirana mid, but she is not 3 for sure. Position 3 has to be someone durable, and can initiate a fight. Mirana's initiation is too unreliable. My build for Mirana 4 is you buy a Sage's mask, take level one arrow, then you just assist your pos 3, and farm neutral creep with your arrow, it will give you an exp and gold advatage over enemy duo. Just make sure enemy support is far from the neutral creeps, you can farm a big camp on your triangle, distance yourself from a teammate, so that way your pos 3 takes all the EXP from the lane creeps, and you take the full EXP from Neutral. But make sure your teammate is safe before leaving.
11:38 you didn't have to call me out like that
a crucial part was when you wiped the enemy team but forced your team to do rosh, the correct move would be to push 1 tower quickly and then rosh.
Yeah, that one and a million other mistakes. He is playing above his league in terms of decision-making. 4 reports were to be earned that game.
Up next. The king
this is a trap when playing mirana core . she often dies because she has a leap...
i believe magic build is kinda viable as a mid.
but i always like to play her as a 4. stunning even if you are 4/12 accuracy is always addictive.
It was a good decision to go full carry build. I would do the same if it was my first time and I know that I would probably miss all my arrows anyway so might as well build on things that will surely hit i.e. my normal attacks.
And just use the arrows to farm Tomato Bears and Pinecones during the laning stage for the free CS
Its okay to spent some gold for regen items in laning phase grubby. full hp and mana will make you strong in laning phase
19:41 why can't both be support
Upcoming mirana arcana on the thumbnail boiz
I'm gonna have nightmares with this thumbnail
Then u probably doesnt saw bulldog thumbnails lmao
@@safau25 I have no idea who bulldog is
i am stunned at how fast he calculated 300 + (0,75x300)
Mirana irl is so good Grubby. Also, Marci o7 ^^
I always dread going against a Mirana, getting stunned feels longer that it is and I gotta watch as my character gets mauled by the entire enemy team.
Mirana can definitely be played at any position, but she works best as a support. She will fall off as a core if she does not snowball.
Shes my favourite hero. Can fulfill every role and pretty much universal and such a versatile hero.
Mirana is one of the most flexible hero in dota, can be played as carry, mid or roaming support. If played as core, it it recommended to build maelstorm, manta and skadi. Euls for support mirana. Mirana doesnt excel in any roles thats her downside.
Finally a real hero!
For 23 minutes no t1 tower for your team. Herald gaming.
LOL wow such gems of wisdom from you Grubby. Zero hp killed you, shock, horror, 😄😄😄when did this start happening?
I think you should always focus on regen base on your gameplay grubby... Always come at war with depleted mana is not good...
I remember early days when i played dota, i always focus on regen, early void stone is good..
Such bad decision making, out of position, spamming all mana on creeps beginning game. Tunnel vision so bad ganked on top lane, stopping and creeping during a teamfight. Sometimes he think creeping is better than defending his base or fighting with his team. Watching that was like watching a train crash in slow motion
It's funny that many people still call her Potm. There was even a pro team called Potm Bottm, and they were very good lol
Marci didn't reply because she is mute
Dat thumbnail. F man 😂
Don't lie to me Grubby... Don't lie to me... Sussy baka
7:44 i mean her ult is aready powerfull enough
She's Tyrande wife of Malfurion (Nature's Prophet)
Deadly precision is correct.
Precision: likelihood to hit the same point as before when aiming at exactly the same spot.
Accuracy: likelihood to hit the target you aimed at.
11:40 most mirana players HAHAHA
Mirana gets out carried hard late game by sniper and Medusa. Especially Medusa who’s one of the best late game Carry’s, if she gets the farm. You guys had a better chance of winning grouping up mid game and pushing together.
25 min, up probably 10k gold, and no towers taken smh
basemodel mirana. one of the heroes with a billion sets and half of them are expensive or high tier!
Defusal blade also good vs Medusa.
At 56 min in video when u die cuz aniper ult u can miss ult with ur natural item ninja gear if u use it u get smoke and miss ult easy
LETS GO GRUBSSSSSS!!!
Beautiful
Grubby smh his head
Shes on OG roamer hero and perfect pos4
I would advise you not to buy active items if you do not intend to use them. I know the guide says certain items are good, and in fact, they are, but if you do not have the habit of using the inventory it's pointless. Also, you need to start watching your minimap more. GL NEXT, SIR!!!
the mirana build just did u dirty they just never updates mirana core. deso is so bad with mirana
:_)))) I love all the "WORNG" in the chat! whrn you guessed the talents!!
gg
Hes amazing, i can't , i'm in tears ... my favorite moment is when he stoped at the fucking Ancients while being pursued but 3 heroes and 1 of em was in front of him .. i cant... the more he learns, the worst decisions he makes xD because nows he's greedy ,,, hahaha
He will learn, it's about time.
Missing WC3 games
You really should concentrate on lasthitting and stop with the denying if no enemies are near you.
Gotta learn fast ward positioning
grubby: "i LIED to the youtube community!!!" also grubby: "let me explain in full detail why this is not the first game so you can fully understand my reasoning and therefor hopefully forgive me"
Shake my smh
I can't believe you lied to me
Oh my god, why am I always out of mana?
Cause u don't have mana items and are always spamming skills.
Oh so I just need more damage right?
No.
Gotcha, gonna build even more damage XD thx chat
Did anyone tell him that pressing A + right click when enemy is in tower range, forces tower to attack that target?
typical mirana 4, mentality that she can just take over as 3
Nice!
Good decision
1st game = Russian tanks rolling over you :D :D I know that feeling haha
Should have went for a 3rd attempt lmao.
i love potm
*P O T M B O T T O M !*
Sorry. I almost threw up when I saw the thumbnail.
so bad