FWD vs RWD vs AWD: Know How to Handle Your Junk! - The Racing Line Ep. 9
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- Опубликовано: 25 авг 2016
- Front-wheel drive, rear-wheel drive, and all-wheel drive-we all know they are different, but how do they affect the handling of each car? On this episode of BFGoodrich’s The Racing Line presented by Tire Rack, Randy Pobst takes out the Mazda Miata, Ford Focus ST, and Subaru WRX STI to find out!
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Doing donuts while reversing is the coolest and funniest way i ever saw it done. lol Randy you the best.
@@cc-000 same
straight out of the midnight club
No bullshit when I first got my Toyota Corolla I wanted to see if it was able to be drifted. Found a housing complex being built with a circle so I’d do doughnuts in the circle. Hit the perfect 180 and turned that into another spin till I had the back tires smoking, blew my mind. I’ve never tried it in reverse I’d crash forsure lol.
Ahhhh the reverse doughnuts used to do them a lot with my first car as old pos 91 Ford Escort Lx 4 door hatchback it was fun but that's bout the only fun thing that junker had goin for it 🤣
One of my faves. I do it way too often in my Fiesta ST haha.
In reverse, a FWD becomes a RWD with rear engine
I think you misunderstood my point.
I wasn't comparing performance. I was comparing relative traction. And a FWD car in reverse has actually a shorter radius than a Porsche in straight, because directing wheels would be behind. And yeah I would never compare a Porsche to a Ford in performance.
with rear wheel steering
Thus is the logic behind the rwd of the Toyota MR2!
Gustaf Renström
*FORKLIFT DORIFTO*
now i know how to handle my junk
you look like a man who knows how to handle his junk
+Nik Brudar bruh
J to the U to the N to the K...
But can you handle your junk in the trunk?
+cola20845 dus guy is gay^^^
my driving style is to go full bonkers while listening to running in the 90s
initial D style !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
yes
"is a new way i like to be!"
Me too. With my AE86
Thats bunta impreza right?
Haha I love this, this guy is awesome.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Motor Trend Channel Do you guys get a notification when someone replies like this? Btw that reverse doughnut was amazing!
+Motor Trend Channel whatever happened to this show? did it get canceled? move to mtod? turned seasonal or interfere with pobsts schedule? really was a good program with a lot of humour and may not have been particularly detailed but I could have a laugh watching what I already knew. I am glad pobst shows up in a lot of other motor trend programming but it was niche him having his own program to add to the lineup
I have met Randy in 3 different occasions in 3 different decades. Neuspeed Accord in the 90's, tri-point Mazda in the 00's and K-Pax Volvo and Porsche in 2010. Never was he not enthusiastic about life and racing!!!
+Fizz826 cool, glad to hear it not just played up particularly more for the show. he gives the impression he has a good bit of that enthusiasm in life in general. gotta be a fun guy to hang around
The ND MX5, Focus ST, and the 2015 WRX STi are some great looking cars
minus the Focus ST
Indeed
Would've been sick if they used a mazda for all 3: an ND Miata for RWD, a Mazdaspeed3 for FWD (an even better example of torque steer for a RWD/AWD driver than a focus st), and a Mazdaspeed6 for AWD
@@TheK18 Mazdaspeed6 awd system isn't the same as Subaru. Sti is a rally legend and far superior awd system and suspension. Also a much more balanced low center of gravity.
@@mattyee9369 it’s still awd though, wouldn’t really matter whether or not it was a rally tuned one because they are on a road course anyways
"Nothing comes out of the corner as ferociously as an all-wheel drive car."
Takumi: hold my tofu
Gutter driving ftw
Bunta: hold my cigarette
@@TheWatcher-eq8ep Bunta: Actually nvm, I’ll hold it. [Zero handed drift intensifies]
Only one way to win a fwd race 😑
I can't get over the feeling that this was filmed in a Window's Vista wallpaper...Oh, and nice vid.
This guy sounds and speaks like Scotty Kilmer :D
haha he does
Great video, very professional, great host, and u explain how the things work with those little diagrams, great job!!!!!! oh and RWD is best for me, will never give up my RWD truck
Thanks, Benjamin! We appreciate the feedback.
I agree completely. Other shows need more Randy too.
+John Wick what do u mean? ????
+John Wick lol my truck has beat many sports cars in races theirs nothing null about a truck my truck will drift just as good as some small sports cars i found that out lol
+jj Watson ikr, id buy a big truck before i would ever buy a sports car
He says to pick your drivetrain, by I say you should always race with the car you have. I think you can have equal amounts of fun in all sorts of cars as long as you know the car well.
I wish they made it longer for this particular episode. I think there could be a lot more techniques to learn rather than just 1 corner. Also would be great if they could show us randy's foot work when taking a corner like one of those best motoring shows.
Sort of a Bill Nye the science guy motor head thang.... nice.
FWD also has less power losses through the drivetrain in general
But lost again through torque steer. Also more wheel spin due to weight shifting to the rear, away from the drive wheels.
Depends if the engine is longitudinal you won’t torque steer
Chespin1235 it depends if the differential is central mounted
What you said about weight transfer is absolutely correct, and probably FWD's differentshafts powering the wheels from the front differential/transaxle. When a high torque motor is paired with these unequal length half shafts, one shaft will need to receive slightly more torque from the differential to spin the corresponding wheel with the same power as the other. Ordinarily, this wouldn't be an issue, as the differential would simply correct for the discrepancy and power the wheels as it needs to, however we are talking FWD, where the front wheels are also responsible for steering. This difference in torque to each half shaft will cause the wheels to pull one way or the other as one is being slightly overtorqued whereas the other is being slightly undertorqued. Torque steer can be frightening and a bit irritating as first, but so long as you can hold a firm grip on the steering wheel and maintain control over your line, you can pretty much eliminate it. I say this as the owner of a Mazdaspeed3, a car infamous for "aggressive torque steer" even from the factory. In the community for these cars we tend to laugh at how much reviewers comment on the torque steer, because once you drive one every day and learn how the car feels under power, you pretty much correct any torque steer you experience instinctively, negating its effects. There are a number of time attack built MS3s with horsepower well above 350 at the wheels and torque eclipsing 400 at the wheels (for reference stock is 263 bhp and 280 lb/ft) who can still put down remarkably quick lap times for a FWD despite any reviewer of those cars making it sound as though the torque steer is unbearable and makes the car feel difficult to control.
@@Chespin-gc1rf Except a longitudinal fed setup kind of defeats the purpose of fwd
OMG. One of finest videos about cars I ever seen on youtube. Simple, objective, clear, clear, direct, without any kind of bullshit.
Awesome! Thank you. Hugs from Brasil.
Now the REAL question:
How do I drive a car in the first place?
Be faster than everybody else
the most important thing to know, be extra careful when a bmw is around you. they don't have indicators lol
Only use the break. Never use gas.
Buy an Xbox
mine does :D and i generally tend to use it aswell
awd for lap times and rwd for fun.
fwd is to take your son to soccer practice lol
depending on the track, conditions, and car racing rules
Tell that to wtcc honda team and watch them laugh at yo dumb ass lol
SI RICKO LoL... another uninformed "racing fan". Do you know what "Balance of performance" in racing is?
Racing series like WTCC make the cars balance, so in there you can have RWD, AWD or FWD, they will balance weight and power so that car has no pace advantage. That's why BMW's on WTCC always had heavy weight penalty, because RWD would be always faster than RWD
The exact same happens in GT3 championship, that's why you see Bentley's fighting ferraris, because they balance the performance
Do some research before posting rubish
Jonny Oliveira u talking to the wrong guy kid.
I'd be interested in seeing an example like this comparing front engine RWD, mid engine RWD, and rear engine RWD. Where that lump of an engine sits changes the driving dynamics considerably.
Honestly, this video is super amazing. Way better than I could’ve asked for as far as free content and training. You guys are great for this
Thank you for making this truly useful and well arranged video.
Hes sooo fucking funny. Bill nye the car guy
Thanks Randy for these interesting and informative videos. I'm trying to refine my driving techniques on my 370Z and so I try to implement the things you talk about.
I absolutely love this series! Keep them coming
This is so cool. Haven't watched motor trend in a long while and now Randy is his own host. This is too great to put into words, great work motor trend.
I've been driving FWD cars since I learned to drive. I have driven a few RWD cars, and have nearly ended my life in all of them (I'm used to understeer!).
Understeer is way more scarier than over steer.
@@jacksontan1360 just let go of the gas and you'll probably be fine
@@h5skb4ru41 do Not just drop your throttle if you start to oversteer lol. You'll find yourself in a bush, by letting off the gas at the wrong time you are adding grip back to your rear-wheels which will immediately want to straighten your line. If you do this mid corner you will be lucky to stay on the road, RWD is all about breaking early and learning to ease into your acceleration as you round the bend. You can notice this in how much longer the line is for a RWD than a FWD. The FWD brakes Hard into the corner so the understeer can whip it into place, while the RWD brakes softer earlier, uses momentum to get into the corner and steady acceleration to come out of it.
Best way to deal with a slip is to counter-steer or drift. To do this, turn your wheel towards where your tail is kicking out, squeeze the throttle just a bit, once you feel your car even out immediately return the wheel to the neutral position (either by letting go and catching or simply turning with your hands; I would advise learning to catch, let the car do the work.)
I would advise if you want to train up to find a empty parking lot and force your car to slip so you can get used to it, otherwise the best option is to simply avoid slips by driving Smoothly. No sudden rpm shifts.
@@cantstopmygo420 I refer that understeer can be countered by letting go sometimes.
100% this. I let off the throttle just yesterday mid turn so I could take a highway turn ramp at 70 instead of 45 limit in my FWD Maxima
Torque Steer isn't caused by the front wheels having to do too many things. It is caused by unequal length driveshafts.. A fwd car with a longitudinal engine will not torque steer..
more so because of a requisite open differential fovoring power to one side and an effect of kingpin angle allowing power to steer that wheel same happen under braking but evenly so it isn't noticed there, the amount of rotational distortion between half shafts of unequal length would show itself in most solid axle vehicles if it were enough to notice were talking not even a minute of angle of deviation as far as the torsional flex goes
+Saya 1 You said a lot of words in a seemingly educated manner so I'll just go ahead and assume you know what you're talking about.
+richzilla08 open Diffs will favor one side in certain conditions and when power is applied, since the front wheels also steer, it'll tug on the steering rack
true
Very true - every FWD variant of the B5 Passat (PL45) /Audi A4 (Typ 8D) I have driven isn't/wasn't prone to torque steer (longitudinal engine in a FWD format). But then again, the motor's where adequately powered from the factory (well, I think the non-turbo 1.8 would have been very under powered while the W8 would have been about right - I never had an opportunity to drive either). Mind you, the 8 control arm front suspension (two upper, two lower control arms per front wheel) is very over engineered and very prone to other problems (such as premature bushing failure - the design puts a lot of stress on the bushings when the steering knuckles change angle for cornering)...
MotorTrend's camera equipment and video calibration looks so life-like.
The dynamic range is incredible.
Randy, you're my favorite of all the Motor Trend presenters. I'm really glad they've given you your own series for people wanting to learn more technical aspects of driving.
I know the average viewer doesn't want to learn too much because they will get bored.
Does the average viewers of channels like this already have a good understanding of the basics covered in this kind of video though?
It's such a difficult line to walk on, (too technical vs too simple)
but I'd really like to see content that skips the really fundamental aspects that anyone with interest in cars/driving will already know
This is not the channel I'd expect that kind of content from, but I'm struggling to find it anywhere!
BestMotoring was great, but it's in Japanese..
I'd just love to see someone with racing experience that can tell us about a car's handling and give us driving advice.
Are there channels someone could suggest to me?
FWD deserves a lot love as well
I drive an AWD car and I've been looking online for explanations of how the racing lines differ between RWD and AWD cars, as all HPDEs I've been to taught the RWD line (as most people have RWDs). I really liked the clear illustrations in this video, and I wished it had gone more in depth about the differences. What's amazing is that, after 4 years, this video is still the only place I can find on the internet that explains the different lines 😂 I'd really appreciate if someone can point me to more resources on this topic!
And that's how he dances.
Thanks for the instruction at Sebring. Between being told that I " parked it" and " light brake" I think I learned something.
Good episode Randy.
Dear Motor Trend Channel, BF Goodrich Tires, Tire Rack, and Mr. Randy Pobst,
Thank you so much for doing these Racing Line videos. I enjoy the heck out of them. I know they don't get made without sponsors, so thank you for your support!
0:34 "for track work, this is the ideal configuration for 2 wheel drive"..... My MR2 wants to let you know it feels offended.
My old Fiero also took offense, as did most educated in physics as well as many Italian, German and all F1 engineers.
David McClelland
Ah yes, the Fiero, had one, sold it, hate myself now. Wanna buy one again in the future.
Fun fact, the MR2 is actually Front engine, FWD, in reverse, because it used the same front wheel drive configuration in the corolla, and flipped it.
You watch too much Car Throttle :P
But I have an SW20 MR2, not and AW11 MR2.
hectorae86 my dad used to own a fiero, somebody stole it
"Too much drifting is slow"
Takumi Fujiwara: NANI?!
This video is badass. Good charisma and everything is explain thoroughly, accurately and professionally. 2 thumbs up
I love Randy already! couldn't find the right youtube video to cheer me up after a long day.. til i found this!
That *Subaru*....
I love 'The Racing Line' and Randy is awesome, but this episode felt rushed; I wish it was a bit longer :)
I dig tha info! More videos like this but separately for each type and in-depth. I could watch listen to you all day dawg
Thanks for this easy to understand video. Quick and clean explanation!
The legends say if you come here early motortrend responds
BTW Randy is awesome
Not true
100% not true
+Hugh Jayness I give him a C-
legends say you're a trendy youtube nerd
Hi VladMtg!
the production quality is great!
Much appreciated, Ben!
+Motor Trend Channel nice!
YAY YOU HAVE GOT ALL THE CARS I LOVE IN ONE VIDEO!!!!
Randy Pobst is the man!!! i'd watch his show any day
Randy Pobst is literally the Bill Nye of the car enthusiast world
RWD IS LIFE!!!
Definitely the most fun.
Yes definitely !
awd is a lot of fun in the snow though (less spinning out)
Never heard that from BMW drivers stuck in 4 inches of snow in the middle of the street. My rusty but trusty AWD forseter pulls them out easily though.
MORPH9999
I guess like 1 or 2 feet less than jeep driver yells for help from a real offroad vehicle.
Great episode, I really love the shots from camera team. Well done all
Randy Pobst is the coolest dude and coolest old dude out there.. everybody should be like him
Rear wheel drive is best wheel drive
+ZonGonZ1495 ...and RWD laughs at AWD once a mechanic gets involved.
The same way a Stratos laughs at a Quattro?
+ZonGonZ1495 there's a reason the best cars are RWD and not to mention the highest for of racing uses RWD vehicles, you carry more weight on the turns and there's less power train loss, RWD FTW
+ZonGonZ1495 fair enough, awd has gone a long way
And AWD
This was sooooo well done 😢
thank you randall this video helped me fall in love with driving my car so many problems solved!
the best video that ever poped in my recommodation
2:44 LMFAO!! idk why that made me laugh so much, but it did
you guys left out one wheel drive.....
how do you take on the track when you're on a motorcycle? ;(
Or just don't have an lsd
EXCELLENT video. Thank you
very well put , ... like others have said .... love randy's classes
Hey, Randy, how about a video on left-foot braking?
We'll see what we can do...
When there is snow and ice and I don’t have AWD? I’ll take FWD any day!
kool video Randy/Motortrend. Great video to show beginners.
I can watch videos like this all day long 😎 Awesome
damn the MX5 is sooo sexy
If you have popup lights, you can even make it wink.
Ikkkk
That F**king 2WD
2:51 how I drive fwd cars on video games
Finally another episode about time please make more of these
Just the explanation I needed. Thanks!
Why does this guy remind me of Winnie the Pooh?
ziah Reid i can see it
Can relate
I wish the episodes were slightly longer
Duly noted. Thanks for letting us know.
Agreed. A 10-minute episode would be perfect. I feel like there is just way too much info to fit into this short of a video.
My favorite racing show on youtube! I'd love to hear what randy has to say about driving a rear engine/rwd car (porsche 911 naturally)
Most useful one of the whole series
i have the front right wheel and rear left wheel as my drivetrain
A great lesson from Randy, I've learned a lot. But I can't really get my head around why the lines for the awd and fwd have to be different. Modern front drive cars with a proper limited slip differential can exit a corner just as ferociously as their all wheel drive counterparts. They can also be trail braked into oversteer on the corner entry and then straightened with throttle on the corner exit, just like awd cars.
I am aware the Focus ST featured in the vid does not come with an lsd. I wonder if that is the reason Randy came up with two different lines?
On a side note, it's interesting how you go through the corner in the Focus is remarkably similar to how I would do in my 997 Turbo. Trail braking on the way in so it doesn't understeer, excercising patience mid-corner going for a late apex and once you hit it then full throttle on the way out leaning on its tremendous traction.
It will be truly great if Randy could personally answer it but probably he wouldn't get to see this comment. A big thank you Randy anyway, and I wish you all the best.
I know im responding to your comment a year late. But when I was following my friend's 997 turbo in my 10th gen civic through angeles crest hwy, I found that our braking points were extremely similar.
Exceptional examples ya got there!
Good to learn how to handle different drivetrains on the track!
2:50 does anybody else do this a lot with FWD cars in racing games besides me?
Ryan Lidel Gran Turismo?
Well I play forza
Ryan Lidel YES
i do it in GTA lol
I did this in Juiced, when doing showoff events in my FTO.
mid engine rwd > all. I mean, who doesn't love liftoff snap oversteer mid corner?
Mitsu Lancer Evo: I thought everyone loved me.........
Christ help me You're aight, but I gotta be fair to my fairlady
Christ help me
Bruh
*EVO ALL DAY*
Haven't had a chance to drive mid-engine yet. picked up a old 80's C4 in highschool and recently a G37s to replace a rusted out 4Runner as my daily driver. Love both of them, I'll drive them until the engines die
Really liked it. Keep up with these bids
Awesome video Randy!
this guy grinds my gears
Where tf is this location. Looks like a racetrack planted in the windows background
Amazing show Randy!!!! Mad ❤️
Awesome!! Thanks for the video!
Forza in real life. This is my dream
4WD vs RWD vs AWD ?
Shouldn't it be :
4WD vs RWD vs FWD ?
No. AWD Vs RWD Vs FWD
+I Dont Matter That's even more confusing than 4WD/RWD/AWD because some people can read it as AWD(all wheels)/RWD(rear wheels)/FWD(four wheels ....... just like AWD) ,
if that makes any sense
FWD is known to be front wheel drive, everyone knows that.
+Stefan Supra FWD always means Front Wheel Drive. They never use the letter F for 4 Wheel Drive.
+Stefan Supra 4 Wheel Drive And All Wheel Drive Function Different. 4 Wheel Drive Is Rear Wheel Drive Until You Switch Into 4 Wheel Drive
Pretty interesting. I recently traded my wrx for a miata and definitely noticed what you said about awd being able to really power out of the corners by comparison.
I have a Fwd and now i know to handle it. thanks Randy and Motor trend!
"4wd is for the weak" Jeremy Clarkson Australia Special.
I'll just take wheel drive
I love this show,Randy is a great host
Randy and his show are so awesome
Awd is the best💪
Why so short? Give this man more air time!!!
Good stuff, thanks Randy!
Randy Effing Pobst. Got to love this guy!
the way Randy Pobst talks is so much like that of Scotty Kilmer!
Torque steer happens because most FWD cars have drive shafts that are not the same length on either side.
There are a multitude of reasons torque steer happens. Although unequal length drive shafts is one of them, it's not the only one. Wheel offset, scrub radius, changing geometry when the wheels are turned from one side to the other, unequal weight on the front wheels, loading/unloading wheels while cornering, and differing traction between the front wheels, as well as several I've probably missed all contribute to torque steer. If it was as simple as equal length drive shafts, the problem would have been solved decades ago.
Fantastic, Randy! Thanks!
I should add thanks to the crew as well!
Super nice video guys !
Title is misleading
title fail....
I love Randy, such a great guy
Love the vid.. no BS .. straight to the point