DCS WORLD 2.7 UPDATE - F/A-18C Hornet Beginner Series: Aerial Refueling Tips & Tricks
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- Опубликовано: 26 авг 2024
- DCS WORLD 2.7 UPDATE - F/A-18C Hornet Beginner Series: Aerial Refueling Tips & Tricks
With the release of patch 2.7 to DCS world and hopefully an increased number of new players being drawn to this amazing sim I thought I’d go over the basics for all of you wannabe virtual hornet pilots out there.
In this video we go through some tips and tricks on how to make your aerial refueling experience as pain free and smooth as possible.
The purpose of this series is to help with overcoming the steep learning curve and make it as easy as possible for anyone new to DCS and the F/A-18C Hornet to learn all of the systems and weapons that the hornet brings to DCS.
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The brutal honesty in regard to shooting down tanker after 30minutes of frustration was excellent!!
I don't usually comment on yt videos, but had to stop and do it here. I truly cant thank you enough, that part of "Look at the pod, not the basket" was what made me go from not even being able to touch the basket, to doing a complete refuel in no time.
"Look at the pod, not at the basket". Man! That was the thing I was missing all the time. The ultimate hint, that made the difference. I couldn´t get a refuel done before. Now right after watching your video, I can do it very easily. Thanks a lot! When I tried it, I was looking at the pod and thought, this is never gonna..."CONTACT"....what?!? I was so surprised, that I instantly lost the hose. But the second try worked perfectly.
Awesome mate, glad it helped you out 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
For those of you who don’t know, in case he didn’t mention, you want to ensure that you have placed the FCS Gain switch in the override position.
Edit: Also, and I only learned this last night: MAKE SURE YOUR TANKER IS DOING 260-ish+ KNOTS. NOT the default 190. Your plane almost stalling is half of why it’s so hard.
What is the reason for that? I never touch that switch so am curious to know your thoughts mate 👍🏻
@@TorniQuetHD I work for Boeing, and formerly supported the F 18. It turns out that that switch stands for flight control system gain. It does just what it sounds like it does. It overrides the amount of gain in the flight control system. It makes the controls less sensitive, easing the process of aerial refueling.
@@justinball2250 damn!!! I’ll give it a crack and test it out!! Thanks for the info mate 👌🏻👌🏻👌🏻
where do i find that switch ?
@@Dankmaister under the red cage. Just aft of probe switch.
Thanks for making this, I had mine set to 15 and could never catch the basket. After adjusting to 25 I immediately started making contact, not staying in very long but it's like trying to get some as a teenager "the first one is the hardest" :-) I am back to 19 now and confident in my ability...
Glad it helped you out mate! That’s awesome that you’re hitting the basket now 🙌
That's cheating lol
You had what set to 15/25?
the deadzone in the stick... it might be called something different. They explain it well in the vid@@wj2036
@@wj2036Conrols curve on Axis Tune for Pitch/Roll 26:35
Pro Tip: Put your fuel page on your Right DDI for quicker glances. Also, pay very close attention to what the tanker pilot announces his speed as. If he says 230, get in formation, match his speed and never violate +/- 2 knots of YOUR matched speed. Cheers.
This shall not be an advertisement but my experience is that when it comes to refueling having a good HOTAS is something really helpful. After upgrading my old (but very sticky) Warthog to a Winwing Taurus throttle and a TM F/A-18 Stick with a Virpil base plus a 20cm extension i was able to do refueling after 30 min of flying and trying the new equipment, I never managed to do it before. The stick was the bigger problem (i cannot remember if I set a small curvature though, but due to the very hard TM warthog stick without extension I did many pilot induced errors with rolling too hard) while the warthog throttle inputs were quite fine. Really enjoying your videos, very good to understand even for non native speakers. Keep on mate!
Glad you found a HOTAS that feels just right mate! I love my warthog HOTAS so it does the job brilliantly for me for now ☺️
I love your lecturing. You teach well. Subbed.
The Looking At The Tank Really Helped And Litteraly Made It 100X Easier
LOVE the frustration move! Great tips all around!
Probably one of the best refueling tips n tricks video out there. It just makes sense what you're saying, I just get too locked in... Great work.
Cheers mate! Hope it helps you nail some solid contacts at the basket
I like to get lined up, then engage the attitude (not altitude) hold autopilot, which seems to help control PIOs. As I get within about 20' of to the basket, I use the trim hat to make final, fine pitch and roll adjustments.
Interesting way to get her done mate but as long as you can grab fuel and complete your sorties is all that matters 👌🏻 how does it go if the tanker hits a turn out of curiosity? Do you use trim to fly with or use stick?
@@TorniQuetHD Once taking fuel, I use the stick to fly. Attitude hold seems to be a have a desirable effect. Rather than prevent you from turning, it seems to smooth your control inputs - that's my perception at least.
This is a great tutorial. Showing the results of the curve was excellent. Not sure if it was more or less important to making the fucking tanker pay for my frustration though! 🤣😂 I've always pealed off pissed as to not add another fratricide to my log book! I was looking right at the basket and it looked exactly the way you showed it. When I hang up, I'm going right to the sim to start at the wing and practice formation more and gain confidance, then just to get my mind right I'm pumping that bastard full off lead, after the bailouts I'm going to empty my missiles on it too, at least once. Then I'll try to take on fuel the nice way! Thanks so much for the best training on this I have found. Ok, I've only watched one other but I can tell by the way you did it that it is exactly how a lesson should go. You don't just say, "do this," you show why and why not!
Shooting that tanker is probably the most relatable thing I ever saw. Anyway awesome tips, really helped me a lot
Glad it helped mate 🙏🏻
Mate, thanks… axis tune was the key!! I finally got ‘Transfer complete’, not all in one go but hey, work in progress right!! Thanks mate👍
Awesome work mate!!!! Good to hear it helped
29:11 ROFLMAO 🤣🤣🤣
So true !
Now that i refuel immediately and at one take, you just reminded me the countless hours and the the tons of frustration that i have experienced in the process.
It looks like he had the head decluttered, if you leave the compass heading along the top, as long as you're not in a turn it'll give you little hash marks that make it a little bit easier to find something specific to line up with a point on the tanker
I am that guy who fly with 0 curve for ages. No fking wonder I can't get anything right. Just learn about this from my friends last week, and its night and day difference. Love your tutorials!
Glad they are helping you out mate ☺️
@@TorniQuetHD Btw happy to see you still around. Hope you are doing well!
hey brother just watched your vod on this and I am about to try it out I sure hope this helps me out but the end of the vod had me laughing because I have gotten frustrated hope you have a wonderful day
The Refuel crew is the most hated crew in the air lmao
Yeah would not want to be a tanker pilot in DCS haha
Just from the into, I have found my favorite youtuber lol!
Laughed my ass off at the end, as I have gunned down the tanker in frustration myself haha. Great video!
Hahaha it is a right of passage on the journey to becoming competent in AAR :P
I did hear an ex RAF Vulcan pilot, who flew in the 1982 Black Buck missions, describe air to air refueling as trying to stick cooked spaghetti up a cats' arse.
Don't be a stick yanker and a basket gazer! Words to live by.
Hahaha very very true
Love your tutorial particularly the ending!
Cheers mate 👌🏻
funny bastard with the shoot down at the end!!. I'm having trouble refueling and will try your technique,. Thank you-
Hope it helps you out mate 🙏🏻
Love your tutorial particularly the ending
Cheers mate, glad you got something from it
Can you post a video of doing this with the KC-135. It’s much much harder and the wake turbulence is now modeled accurately so you’re contending with the wing vortices as well as the task of tanking.
28:20 I litterally did that yesterday. But I was so furious I didnt even fired at it... I threw my jet at the tanker. 😂😂😂😂😂
I dont think I remember being that angry with a game before besides dark souls.
thank you for doing this series
My pleasure mate, hope it helps 👍🏻
Man thanks for this video - I am super dangerous to fly around with in formation as it gets really really sketchy close to the tanker…axis tune…brilliant
I watched this video after trying for hours to refuel. And I must tell you, before I rage quit the attempted refuel I did shot down that #%&^ tanker.
Ripper mate @TorniQuetHD ... thanks again.
I battled for ages on 0 curve, finally hit two refuel successes from about 30 tries, but now, backed off to 15 and hit that bitch like a boss.
Great work, as usual.
Really appreciate your content and delivery.
Yeeeew!! Good to hear it helped you out mate!!
Air to air refuelling 😱🤬. I suck at it. I have no worries flying formation as soon as the probe comes out & I try & stick it in it all goes pair shaped. Cool video. Thanks for sharing 👍🏻👍🏻🙃🙃
Keep practicing mate, once you get it the reward is worth the pain and suffering
Thanks, I still can't do it, I still need to practice formation flying... But I suck at that too. Since I can only use a tanker to train in formation flying...lol
Thanks for this. Gonna give it a good effort.
Hope it helps you out mate
That helped me. Succes immediately by focusing on other things than basket. But no succes yet on KC 135 since it seems harder to estimate on the outerside of that wing i guess? Less perspective than in the middle of the wing.
Awesome mate, glad it clicked for you
Yea my f15 is all over the place. Every little input makes my plane go crazy. I can't seem to make it steady like y'all do. Y'all make small corrections and your plane makes small corrections. I make small corrections and my plane makes 5 mile wide corrections 😮💨
@ 29.26 is me every time, I thought I was the only one. As a matter if fact, it is the only gun kills I ever get and it feels great.... I always arm the gun while on the tanker just to rage quit....
🤣🤣🤣🤣 ive gunned some tankers down in my time mate don’t you worry… almost as frustrating as carrier landings
That refuel rage
Dude for the love of god, I hope this starring at the wing instead of the basket works for me, cause I've put my curves up to 40% and I can't put smoth movements like that.
I have a x52. Entry lvl hotas, as far as I know, and I've seen people complaining about it for aerial refueling, but with 40% of curve... I don't think I should have a hardware problem.. not even if I was using a rock. Haha
I'm gonna try that later, but I don't have high hopes cause I'm pretty bad at flying formation without AP... 😂😂
lol, I always shoot down tanker because it difficult to align the nozzle
You’ll get there soon mate, practice practice practice 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻
First and only time I tried aerial refueling (like 3 days ago and with 0 curvature ofc) I did exactly what you did in the end and lost all my medals because of fatricide lol
We’ve all been there mate 🤪🤪🤪 it’s all part of the learning experience
??? I don't see the "save" button for this video? Is this a RUclips thing or a setting when you published the video?????
I have since recently been able to do this but it’s not as smooth as how you did it lmao...very nice tutorial and good tips...I did feel a little sad for the tanker who did his job well giving you his juice ;p
Hahah pour a glass for all of the defenceless tankers that have been gunned down in rage from failing to get fuel from angry hornet pilots 🍻
Do you set a dead zone on your flight stick?
Hey TorniQuet, thanks for posting this. I knew about flying form off the pod, but never thought to use the canopy bow along with it! Love your tutorials.
Your mapping of the TMS the SA display and TWS were life-changing, and I saw some of your other mappings for radar when you were showing us your probe mapping. What other functions do you have mapped on the other switches like the APU/fuel/engine and LASTE panel on the throttle?
You want to know how I bound my WARTHOG HOTAS for the hornet you mean skunk?
Hi @@TorniQuetHD , specifically, what do you have mapped to the extra switches on the base of the Warthog throttle, like the radar altimeter, engine ignition and fuel switches?
Thanks again for the great tutorial, I nailed my last three AARs since watching!
Kind of cheating, but setting the barometric hold works well for me. Find the exact IAS for slowly gaining / falling away from the tanker (e.g. 303 pulls forward, and 302 knots and you fall back). Unfortunately, autopilot doesn't work while FCS Gain is switched to override. Also, I find that locking onto the tanker with radar is a great way to determine closure rate.
great tutorial mate
Cheers mate, hope you got something out of it
@@TorniQuetHD Yeah definitely - been flying the F16 and now want to learn the hornet - finding your tutorials very helpful. Hopefully they keep coming.
Great video... I still can't do it!! But good tips to take up next time... and yes... have shot down a tanker or two in sheer fueling anger!!
It’s all part of the process mate 🤣☺️
I finly know the fuckin refueler actually comes for you if you don't chase it. That's one of the trick. It has timings where it does this.
The tanker flies a left hand orbit if it has been setup correctly, so you can cut it off if you know it’s in a left hand turn and save some time for sure
@@TorniQuetHD atth autopilot is your best friend untill it connects. Also curvature is the important point content creators need to keep stressing honestly.
I also set a curve of 15 and it has helped me a ton. What joystick are you using? Just for reference since different curve settings might be better suited for joysticks with different travel distances.
I’m using the thrustmaster warthog HOTAS mate 👍🏻
hahah been done that at the end
One doesn’t simply refuel from the tanker first time without gunning said tanker out of the sky through frustration
You need to tell us the hotas brand and curvature u using.
My rig is in the description of the video mate and I run 15 for all axis curves
@@TorniQuetHD doesn't say for me . I'm on mobile phone.
Thanks for this, thanks for ALL you videos.
What REALLY cracked air2air refueling for me was your video on landing the a/c on speed. Those constant throttle adjustments was what let me keep the probé in the basket. I just hadn't realised the CONSTANT changes needed.
Really looking forward to seeing more videos.
(Could you do more BVR (tws) and dogdighting videos!!!?)
Glad you learnt something to help with your flying mate! Will get into the “cool” stuff for sure, just working through all of the basics so it’s less of a learning curve for people to attempt the harder stuff 👌🏻
hahahaha feels good to shoot the tanker down lol
Ask me how many tankers I’ve shot down😂
This is by far the hardest thing to do in DCS Practicing for two days now and it's disastrous. I'm not a quitter but now I am not even sure if I will ever master this. My Trustmaster HoTAS now seems much too stiff also. Extremely frustrating
I have a thrustmaster T.15000 or whatever. It was unbelievably stiff but you can just adjust the tension underneath. It’s a lot smoother now I can just push it with my little finger - great for AAR
Yes, the TM Hotas seems too stiff. These days i'm able to do air refueling, even when it's not flying straight ahead. But still, i usually do not do this with the option of 'wake turbulence' on, that's the next challenge
Just got the Persian Lion campaign and I didn't want to be a little bitch and use the "simplified A2A refuel mode" thanks for your two cents!
Glad you got something from it mate 🙏🏻
I've been trying for 2 hours now and I can't, smooth movements but if I accelerate it goes up a lot I try to correct it gently and it happened to me, I turn a lot to the side and also. It is easy for me to train but difficult to have reference points and follow them
It’s tough to get the hang of for sure mate, it’s probably the hardest skill to learn in DCS but once you get it down you’ll never forget
It took me a while to get used to it, the hardest was the speed adjustments even with a decent curve on the throttles I would either start speeding up too much then back off to much. What helped me was I’d take my hand off and just barely tap it forward or backward till I saw the fuel flow go down slightly, and the fuel flow is what I use to help gauge if I’ll need to add or remove some throttle
@@ProfessorPottsy I didn't understand that technique
I don't think you're explaining what the curves do properly. I don't think dampen is the correct phraseology. The curve simply reduces/increases hardware travel required to make the software movement at that particular part of the spectrum more or less sensitive. For example, your +20 curve gives the stick higher sensitivity at the beginning of each axis and less as you reach axis maximum. Meaning you need a larger stick input at the beginning of axis travel to make the software stick move than you do at max deflection. There are bad side effects from using a curve as well. Like most things it's a trade-off. As low as possible software adjustment while maintaining precise control would be ideal.
Very true mate, but for the most part new pilots are too aggressive on the stick and use too much input to correct the aircraft and end up losing it due to that fact. Putting the curves up high essentially takes that ability away from them while they are working on there flying. Once you get the hang of it you can then drop the curve down to a more useable all flight regime.
I run 15 on all three axis for every aircraft but when I was learning I had to go all the way to 25 to actually feel like I could control it behind the tanker.
Its so impossible. :( someone on server ask me to use altitude hold and trim. Wtf?
Practice formation flying first mate, don’t worry bout the basket… just try and fly on the wing tip of the tanker nice and smooth to start
@@TorniQuetHD hard bro. I faced a few bugs in open beta already. I'm in virgin server and my f1 buttons don't work. Escape button as well. Then just now the feet entry into waypoints did not register.
@@erfguuipo8084 sometimes it’s DCS, sometimes it’s user error… all times it’s frustrating 🤯 stick with it mate it gets easier
I have no earballs.
#bornbroken
Thought you’d love that mate. Me speak English gooderer
@@TorniQuetHD earballs definitely needs to be a thing, if it's not already.
haha