Authenticity deserves respect. Removing variables I think increases authenticity. But this video transcends cars and driving, the first four minutes is pure art! Great job guys.
Guys I am from Turkey; a track day enthusiast and a real patrol head. What a content, what a professional video editing!!!! Lots of technical details and promising many subscribers. Good job, well done. Looking forward to new uploads!!!
New sub, what a great channel and a great track! I loved that you showed a great entry level track car, something more advanced, and a full on track car for advanced drivers. Great vid.
First of all congrats for giving us this type of content!! Second seriously thinking about never touching a steering wheel again and pick up knitting after watching Gab's driving! 😂
To be honest, it felt quite good and balanced, I would not want a lot more rotation than this. To be fair, I also could never turn the ESP fully off so when I tried to rotate more on the brakes I would have ESP interference.
Great video again guys 💪 As you already said this tyre is faster then a AR1, but the AR1 has its place! Today we found out in Time Attack on Zandvoort we were faster on the CRS in the longer stints but because they need 1 lap more warmup the AR1 is the better tyre in the finals (out/hot/inlap configuration) but the CRS even performed better on a lightweight car 930kg just like i felt myself last year on the ring with 1100kg car 👊
This is interesting news, as we expected AR1s to be better on light cars. Out/Hot/In is crazy, you dont even do it in racing, you need chewing gum to do that :D
@@GabrielePiana yeah thats with a TimeAttack final round, it is! But thats where the AR1 is faster, the driver continued the 1/3 sector on the throttle and that sector the CRS was faster again. So lets say even on light cars after 3-4min the CRS is faster and keeps this pace far longer as expected.
1.23 vs 1.21....for 1/3 price is a win for m2. Because m2 can be mega tuned to 600+ hp plus increased handling with strut. Understeer is a problem though
Hey Etienne. Yeah, would be interesting although, having driven both, the difference is massive, especially with big cars. Let's see if we can get to put together something in the future
Great Work on the video production. Would be great to get some data overlays for the in car video. Audio needs work - tons of clipping and distortion. Now, idea for next video? Best motoring style - all cars on track racing door/door, starting order by power/weight over a 20 minute ~15 lap endurance session to simulate a typical track day session.
Hey! Yeah, while it would be interesting there is alwasy so much variability under damp and wet conditions that it is very difficult to control a test. Dry conditions are much more consistent, you can sort of produce a useful result. In wet/damp the results can be skewed heavily by sligthly more or less water, tires are more sensitive to temperature changes etc. A052 and CR-S are quite similar in thread pattern hence both not ideal in standing water. Beside this, the CR-S is specifically designed to be more stable at higher loads than the previous AR-1s meaning that are designed for bigger sizes and heavier more powerful cars. A big step also was done in consistency and road manners. It's just a huge steps from AR-1s in all departments, maybe with the exception of super light cars but this needs to be tested. I have no metric to compare A052 and CR-S as far as compound specs and feel, which would be the only determining factor under damp conditions, would be indeed an interesting test.
@@GabrielePiana really interesting insight. I think with my 1000kg car I've struggled with nankang tyres as a whole in damp / wet situations but was hoping as they are like the a052 they could provide better non dry weather feeling shall we say over others.
@@KevMk3 yeah lets not beat around the bush here, the goal for Nangkang is to build a tires that's up there with Trofeo R, Cup 2 and the like. They achieved it 100%, very high performance with good streetability, the tires performed mega on all cars but we are always talking about 1500kg cars with 300bhp minimum. I dont know how they would work on a 450kg Caterham or even a 900kg Lotus as I have not driven these tires in such conditions.
Awesome video. How were the lap times calculated? Did all 3 cars start at the same speed when they crossed the stsrting line? It didmt seem like they did, which is wjy i ask.
Laptimes are calculated as they normally are, from start to finish line of the lap. All the cars are coming in "flying" from the preparation lap before, no difference between the conditions beside, of course, the cars have different power levels.
@GabrielePiana I see. I always wondered about that method. I'm curious if there would've been any difference had the cars all started at the same speed while crossing the starting line. It never made sense to me to have the cars start at different speeds. Anyway, I enjoyed the video!
@@andydhillon1977this would be an unrealistic way to measure times since it’s a scenario that would never exist in real life. Regardless, the difference would most likely be the same since the cars would accelerate from whatever set speed one would decide at different rates depending on their performance. All laps would be slower but the gap in between them would be relatively the same.
Love everything The technical aspect is on the spot bcz we all become geeks at certain point and have our own preferences when it comes to driving therefore: Would be nice to have some geometry numbers also (camber, toe,…)along with suspension (brand ,model, tune….)to better understand the setup If not on the video (not to make it too heavy for lesser inclined people) maybe link it on the description, plz Btw , first ever video from you guys and I already subscribed and shared it with my brother who also loves his occasional track day as jay leno said it best, everyone on this planet thinks they’re great lovers and very very good drivers, so the humbleness is much appreciated here, we can see the skill as well as the room for improvement It really feels like one of us taking ( an enthusiastic passionate driver), and not some snobby high nosed cartoonish character who thinks he can do no wrong We prefer someone with more skills than what they give themselves credit for than the other way around Keep it up please
fk8 seems to fair well considering it looks to be all stock except wheel/tyres/pads. would be fun to see a modified one in comparison. Great Video overall
Manual requires additional work and feels more engaging for sure, but a paddle shift frees the driver up to do left foot braking and this increases control and ultimately performance. For the road, for enjoyment, manual forever. Pure speed and control, paddle shift.
Disclaimer, not an advertisement for Nangkang. The CR-S is performing at a level way beyond Cup2, we are talking of a tire that is in the same league as a Trofeo R and just marginally slower than a Cup 2R. You simply cannot expect this level of performance to be costing much cheaper than it does. The biggest challeng for the brand is to actually get recognized for what it is, a VERY HIGH performing tire that is right up there with the very best the market can offer. Brand recognition is not there yet, we agree on this, but it's also part of the reason we decided to make this video, to showcase that the CR-S is a serious option. The gap between the CR-S and the AR-1 is huge, Nangkang did their homework. Of course Toyos and the like will be cheaper, but also a Fiat Panda is cheaper than a GT4RS. Different products with different performance envelopes and, arguably, different markets.
why not? It shows that the CR-S can perform over a wide range of cars and layouts, it showcases the performance difference between the cars and might inform people that wondered how a FK8 once the fastest FWD car at the Ring actually performs on a normal race track against other cars. I think it's interesting and you got the chance to witness it for free!
Our own version, with Greek and Italian accents! We feel is totally understandable but we added subtitles if you struggle particularly hard! The driving parts have no talking at least 😘
in a car, the most important thing is weight and weight distribution, subsru brz 17:01 is cheap and much weaker, but it cleans both Honda and M2 and gives more fun than these two because it is light😊
My man: 1- definitely there is a lot more lap time in the 992, but not the way it was on this day. I did 3 push laps, this was the fastest (although there is a couple of mistakes) and the theoretical within the three laps was not faster. 1:21.7 was theoretical time also, the next lap was driven with less mistakes but were not faster. 2- you can see the car is super twitchy, this is not particularly fast but I dont believe 2s. I am fully confident there is 1s in it with more stable rear because the car being very twichty clearle slows it down overall but there are parts of the track that would be slower with less front end. As I said, the theoretical was not faster (unlike some other cars you will see in pt2). The most costly mistake is last corner and that's 0.3 tenth worth. Exit of the Schickane also quite shit and thats another 0.2. That's 0.5, better setup you find another 0.5 (which is massive) and you have a 20 mid, which I think it's where the car can go. Sub 20 I dont see it on this day.
@@GabrielePiana i believe the track was not the ideal that day, not clean and lets say to cold, causes the most “lost grip” conditions, 992 gt3 sure have potential with just a little alignment adjustment, if was totally stock sure is not ideal but its the best porsche right now, the gt4rs if is with stock alignment isn’t faster(crazy understeer), the 991 RS if is setted its a easier car to drive so maybe will be the fast in the end of the “test” but will see! Like always there is something to improve, Maybe the answer is put Kostas driving ? Isn’t him the fastest?
@@bnight2 there is a lot of front end with the CR-S, maybe too much for the setup the car had. I discussed it at lenght with the Track-Speed boys and we will be back and ajust the car to make it fly, as it should! I also had some worries about the CR-S after driving the 992 but... the GT4RS and 991 RS laps clearly established that with the right setup, the CR-S are MEGA. You will see next Sunday :)
The M2 has roughly the same power, approx 500hp as it’s tuned and it has more torque than the GT3. And, the GT3‘s performance was hampered by A LOT of OVERsteer, while the M2 was front end limited.
Authenticity deserves respect. Removing variables I think increases authenticity. But this video transcends cars and driving, the first four minutes is pure art! Great job guys.
Thanks and we hope you enjoyed also the rest of it 😘
Guys I am from Turkey; a track day enthusiast and a real patrol head. What a content, what a professional video editing!!!!
Lots of technical details and promising many subscribers. Good job, well done. Looking forward to new uploads!!!
thanks for your support and kind comment!
I love my FK8 guys. Great seeing you guys again. 👍💪✌
for a FWD, is up there
Such fun content! Good driving, discussion, and energy, subscribed !
Thanks for the nice words! We appreciate it!
Guys, what a production quality?!! I am getting goosebumps watching your video !!! 3:57
Kostas and the crew are on fire lately!
Amazing driving from Gab, nice cars and info, thank you Mythos!!
Thanks for watching!
Part two, three, four, more!
eventually... :D
Awesome stuff, guys! Very cool to see Gab dancing with the GT3. Looking forward to Part 2.
thanks! Yeah the 992 really did not want to go in a straight line :D
Guys. This is just brilliant. Your enthusiasm is absolutely contagious 👍
Thanks a lot for the kind words :)
Awesome video guys. It's great to see Gabriel muscling the different cars in Serres :)
Tricky little track, I had a lot of fun!
Loved this. Nice to see Gab back and the feedback he has on the cars/tyres. More please.....
More will come! :D
I love watching Gab driving. He is not a pro for nothing ! Can't wait for part 2.
😘
That dance with GT3 was beautiful. It's the only machine I would swap my MX-5 for. :)
Fun, sweaty and.... slow but works for a video :D
Awesome video, love the fact you guys did this and Shane helped you with the CR-S. Production quality is immense, well done to you both.
thanks for the kind words. I dont even want to think about how many hours of work, behind driving and shooting, went into this. Kostas is a saint.
New sub, what a great channel and a great track! I loved that you showed a great entry level track car, something more advanced, and a full on track car for advanced drivers. Great vid.
thanks for the sub! Spread the word!
First of all congrats for giving us this type of content!!
Second seriously thinking about never touching a steering wheel again and pick up knitting after watching Gab's driving! 😂
Thanks for the kind words! If you know us, we instead hope you are inspired to go out and send whatever you have 103%
Kostas was my Nurburgring RSR track instructor, many years ago in a Renault Twingo lol!
And you survived! Amazing!
Looking forward to the next video. Thank you guys
Thank you for watching, this Sunday part 2!
Jesus man the heat cracks in the front disc’s on that civic are crazy
looks dramatic but perfectly fine to drive for many laps more. This is typical on track with drilled discs.
This channel doesn't get the viewership it deserves!
Great driving, also very nice footage!
Keep it up guys! 🤟
❤
Great comparison, can’t wait for part two.
only one week, if Kostas is to be believed :D :D
Very nice content guys! I miss Serres a lot, I hope I'll come back later this year!
maybe during a track-speed day, we shall meet then there!
Nice video I had a look at spec for my cayman but CR-S tyre weight is far more than my Trofeo R
Wow. Great stuff guys.
Thanks!
Fantastic video
Great video guys!
How much psi/bars are you were runing on the tyres on your best lap?
Hey! I'll admit, it has been a while but I think we are looking at 1.95b hot
Very good video! The Honda didnt seem willing to rotate, like other fast FWDs. Or didnt it come across in the video?
To be honest, it felt quite good and balanced, I would not want a lot more rotation than this. To be fair, I also could never turn the ESP fully off so when I tried to rotate more on the brakes I would have ESP interference.
That man can drive!!
Crs is amazing tires . Great video
Indeed quite an impressive product
Some Top-Gear quality type of shi*t with Kostas creativity in it. Amazing!
Thanks, we are trying to put together the best quality video we can, still trying to find the groove so any feedback helps!
Great video again guys 💪 As you already said this tyre is faster then a AR1, but the AR1 has its place! Today we found out in Time Attack on Zandvoort we were faster on the CRS in the longer stints but because they need 1 lap more warmup the AR1 is the better tyre in the finals (out/hot/inlap configuration) but the CRS even performed better on a lightweight car 930kg just like i felt myself last year on the ring with 1100kg car 👊
This is interesting news, as we expected AR1s to be better on light cars. Out/Hot/In is crazy, you dont even do it in racing, you need chewing gum to do that :D
@@GabrielePiana yeah thats with a TimeAttack final round, it is! But thats where the AR1 is faster, the driver continued the 1/3 sector on the throttle and that sector the CRS was faster again. So lets say even on light cars after 3-4min the CRS is faster and keeps this pace far longer as expected.
@@kayhesse nice feedback! Thanks!
What size of Nankang do you use on GT4 RS? Can not find the right size.
1.23 vs 1.21....for 1/3 price is a win for m2. Because m2 can be mega tuned to 600+ hp plus increased handling with strut. Understeer is a problem though
definitely closer than I would have thought!
Now the comparison to the AR1 would be interesting. Same car even if possible.
Greetings, Etienne
Hey Etienne. Yeah, would be interesting although, having driven both, the difference is massive, especially with big cars. Let's see if we can get to put together something in the future
Great Work on the video production. Would be great to get some data overlays for the in car video. Audio needs work - tons of clipping and distortion. Now, idea for next video? Best motoring style - all cars on track racing door/door, starting order by power/weight over a 20 minute ~15 lap endurance session to simulate a typical track day session.
What brand of wing is on that BMW M2?
Great stuff! Maybe you can use a more aggressive compressor for your mic when doing narration..
great review! want more
have you seen part 2?
I don't think that people understand how fast those times are.
I went as fast as I could 😂
The M2 is a serious bit of kit for its price point. As an OG M2 owner, I’m very proud to own this future classic.
M2 and a chip tune... cant beat it for the money
Love to see what these tyres are like in the damp / wet compared to the a052
Hey! Yeah, while it would be interesting there is alwasy so much variability under damp and wet conditions that it is very difficult to control a test. Dry conditions are much more consistent, you can sort of produce a useful result. In wet/damp the results can be skewed heavily by sligthly more or less water, tires are more sensitive to temperature changes etc.
A052 and CR-S are quite similar in thread pattern hence both not ideal in standing water. Beside this, the CR-S is specifically designed to be more stable at higher loads than the previous AR-1s meaning that are designed for bigger sizes and heavier more powerful cars. A big step also was done in consistency and road manners. It's just a huge steps from AR-1s in all departments, maybe with the exception of super light cars but this needs to be tested.
I have no metric to compare A052 and CR-S as far as compound specs and feel, which would be the only determining factor under damp conditions, would be indeed an interesting test.
@@GabrielePiana really interesting insight. I think with my 1000kg car I've struggled with nankang tyres as a whole in damp / wet situations but was hoping as they are like the a052 they could provide better non dry weather feeling shall we say over others.
@@KevMk3 yeah lets not beat around the bush here, the goal for Nangkang is to build a tires that's up there with Trofeo R, Cup 2 and the like. They achieved it 100%, very high performance with good streetability, the tires performed mega on all cars but we are always talking about 1500kg cars with 300bhp minimum.
I dont know how they would work on a 450kg Caterham or even a 900kg Lotus as I have not driven these tires in such conditions.
What is the tyre size you fitted to the m2? Square 265/35/18?
Please write all mods for all the cars. Fk8 and m2 look a bit modified
would be grate if you posted the tire spec's for each car please
Awesome video.
How were the lap times calculated? Did all 3 cars start at the same speed when they crossed the stsrting line?
It didmt seem like they did, which is wjy i ask.
Laptimes are calculated as they normally are, from start to finish line of the lap. All the cars are coming in "flying" from the preparation lap before, no difference between the conditions beside, of course, the cars have different power levels.
@GabrielePiana I see.
I always wondered about that method. I'm curious if there would've been any difference had the cars all started at the same speed while crossing the starting line. It never made sense to me to have the cars start at different speeds.
Anyway, I enjoyed the video!
@@andydhillon1977this would be an unrealistic way to measure times since it’s a scenario that would never exist in real life. Regardless, the difference would most likely be the same since the cars would accelerate from whatever set speed one would decide at different rates depending on their performance. All laps would be slower but the gap in between them would be relatively the same.
Love everything
The technical aspect is on the spot bcz we all become geeks at certain point and have our own preferences when it comes to driving therefore:
Would be nice to have some geometry numbers also (camber, toe,…)along with suspension (brand ,model, tune….)to better understand the setup
If not on the video (not to make it too heavy for lesser inclined people) maybe link it on the description, plz
Btw , first ever video from you guys and I already subscribed and shared it with my brother who also loves his occasional track day
as jay leno said it best, everyone on this planet thinks they’re great lovers and very very good drivers, so the humbleness is much appreciated here, we can see the skill as well as the room for improvement
It really feels like one of us taking ( an enthusiastic passionate driver), and not some snobby high nosed cartoonish character who thinks he can do no wrong
We prefer someone with more skills than what they give themselves credit for than the other way around
Keep it up please
It's a pity they didn't add a new Subaru Brz because it would show that a car doesn't have to be expensive to be fast.
More more!!
MORE! :)
The CR-S positioned ABOVE the AR-1? surpried about that.
Big leap in performance, especially for mid to heavy cars
Kostas, guess what ? :) your behind the scenes video is still waiting for the commentary.
fk8 seems to fair well considering it looks to be all stock except wheel/tyres/pads. would be fun to see a modified one in comparison. Great Video overall
992 is fully stock but the gap to the M2 would be smaller if the M2 had the same “level” of tuning as the civic, this is correct.
@@GabrielePiana 👍😄 very good driving by the way
Awesome! 👌
thanks, glad you enjoyed it!
Manual transmission car still the best car fun to drive than any automatic car 👍🏻
Manual requires additional work and feels more engaging for sure, but a paddle shift frees the driver up to do left foot braking and this increases control and ultimately performance. For the road, for enjoyment, manual forever. Pure speed and control, paddle shift.
@@GabrielePiana definitely agree, automatic was the best equipment to drive but not as fun as manual 👍🏻
Do the GT4RS please
Next week! 🚀
The problem are the 360€ of each tyre ,in only 245 r18.. i dont know in 305 r20 of the 911....
Disclaimer, not an advertisement for Nangkang. The CR-S is performing at a level way beyond Cup2, we are talking of a tire that is in the same league as a Trofeo R and just marginally slower than a Cup 2R. You simply cannot expect this level of performance to be costing much cheaper than it does. The biggest challeng for the brand is to actually get recognized for what it is, a VERY HIGH performing tire that is right up there with the very best the market can offer.
Brand recognition is not there yet, we agree on this, but it's also part of the reason we decided to make this video, to showcase that the CR-S is a serious option. The gap between the CR-S and the AR-1 is huge, Nangkang did their homework.
Of course Toyos and the like will be cheaper, but also a Fiat Panda is cheaper than a GT4RS. Different products with different performance envelopes and, arguably, different markets.
Why would you bring a manual fwd car to battle 2 rwd paddle shift cars with more HP?
why not? It shows that the CR-S can perform over a wide range of cars and layouts, it showcases the performance difference between the cars and might inform people that wondered how a FK8 once the fastest FWD car at the Ring actually performs on a normal race track against other cars. I think it's interesting and you got the chance to witness it for free!
I think it was a great idea. I would love to see the Type R with a boost in the HP to the same level of the other competitors to see that difference.
Yes yes yes!
;)
Lay off the pixie dust, you speaking a million miles a minute 😂
Drive fast, speak fast, eat fast... everything fast!
What kind of eng do u speak?
Our own version, with Greek and Italian accents! We feel is totally understandable but we added subtitles if you struggle particularly hard! The driving parts have no talking at least 😘
I didn’t know Serj from system of a down was doing car videos now…?
He's been doing car videos for 10 years arguably
I thought the amish weren't allowed to use technology. ❤️
Civic is ❤
Nice car indeed!
You need better microphones. Everything else is great!
You know Honda did good when it’s being compared to bmw n Porsche 😂😂😂
Honda did good for sure, but you can see the gap is quite massive.
@@GabrielePiana yea but still 45k msrp for the Honda being compared to 65k msrp n idk even know gt3 msrp 🤣🤣🤣
in a car, the most important thing is weight and weight distribution, subsru brz 17:01 is cheap and much weaker, but it cleans both Honda and M2 and gives more fun than these two because it is light😊
Wow the m2 is impressive
Some wheel and tyre size specs for each car would have been nice to know or did I miss it in the video?
Stock sizes apart from the 4RS that runs 305s at the rear
Part 2,20 ,100x
ok :D
gt3 992 had a 2.19 target, Gab did couple of small dirty stuff and lost 2 seconds so there is more there for sure, Gab even clearly said fuuuuuuck
My man:
1- definitely there is a lot more lap time in the 992, but not the way it was on this day. I did 3 push laps, this was the fastest (although there is a couple of mistakes) and the theoretical within the three laps was not faster. 1:21.7 was theoretical time also, the next lap was driven with less mistakes but were not faster.
2- you can see the car is super twitchy, this is not particularly fast but I dont believe 2s. I am fully confident there is 1s in it with more stable rear because the car being very twichty clearle slows it down overall but there are parts of the track that would be slower with less front end. As I said, the theoretical was not faster (unlike some other cars you will see in pt2). The most costly mistake is last corner and that's 0.3 tenth worth. Exit of the Schickane also quite shit and thats another 0.2. That's 0.5, better setup you find another 0.5 (which is massive) and you have a 20 mid, which I think it's where the car can go. Sub 20 I dont see it on this day.
@@GabrielePiana i believe the track was not the ideal that day, not clean and lets say to cold, causes the most “lost grip” conditions, 992 gt3 sure have potential with just a little alignment adjustment, if was totally stock sure is not ideal but its the best porsche right now, the gt4rs if is with stock alignment isn’t faster(crazy understeer), the 991 RS if is setted its a easier car to drive so maybe will be the fast in the end of the “test” but will see!
Like always there is something to improve,
Maybe the answer is put Kostas driving ? Isn’t him the fastest?
Will be great if you guys publish full sessions with each car lot’s to learn in this videos !
These are pretty much the full sessions, I always only did outlap and 1 maximum 2 flying laps :)
@@GabrielePiana thanks your driving is amazing for first time out ! Lot’s to learn from you ! Good luck in your racing season !
thanks for the kind words! I also have still a lot to learn, the 992 lap is horrible :P
@@GabrielePiana It looked like the tires were not ideal for a 992 Porsche ! But your driving was spot on and amazing to watch !
@@bnight2 there is a lot of front end with the CR-S, maybe too much for the setup the car had. I discussed it at lenght with the Track-Speed boys and we will be back and ajust the car to make it fly, as it should! I also had some worries about the CR-S after driving the 992 but... the GT4RS and 991 RS laps clearly established that with the right setup, the CR-S are MEGA. You will see next Sunday :)
Wow… they prefer RWD cars😮
shocking, am I right? :D
BMW M2 with the same hp would smoke that understeer VW its not diffrent leaque
The M2 has roughly the same power, approx 500hp as it’s tuned and it has more torque than the GT3. And, the GT3‘s performance was hampered by A LOT of OVERsteer, while the M2 was front end limited.
❗ 'Promosm'
Am glad to see the FWD perish
What an odd response.
@@andydhillon1977 indeed a weird comment but hey, it is what it is
Well FWD are flawed for performance driving so it was expected.
@@GabrielePiana Some claim though, that FWDs can not only compete, but also be more successful than RWDs
Not real M car.
The real M2 wasn’t built until the Competition.
Kind of a weird take given what the video was about but, ok 😅
True "car guy" right here. Smh
You really need to stop talking over each other. Its very annoying.
Not interested in old gas guzzlers. Quicker electric cars only for me... Unsubcribed.
My god guys your videos are like drugs, I am officially addicted 🫡🫡
thanks, lucky for you there is plenty to get high on :D