Do Bad Endings Really "Ruin" Great Anime (Like Erased)?
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- The Release of Netflix's version of Erased got me thinking... can bad endings really wreck otherwise great stories on their own?
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I can't believe how you managed to keep in your secret hatred for SAO for this long.
I know, right? Who knew?
I had no idea he was an SAO hater. It must have been very subtly hintet at in his videos about it... ;-)
Wait, Geoff hates SAO? I never knew it, guess it was so subtle it flew out of my mind.
Nah, I don't buy it. Geoff was probably joking.
He actually loves it. Only so much love can lead to so much hate.
"I'm married"
Never thought I'd be dissapointed hearing those words, but I did.
Especially whit the pedophile connotation
@@velandiapatinojuliandavid1140 yh exactly :(
@@velandiapatinojuliandavid1140 They were both 26.
it's late to say but Love to watch it.
if Satoru not end up with that teacher Gaku in the car surely Satoru end up married with Kayo, Satoru find other way to solve the case and not end up drowned and laying in bed for 15 years, for sure kayo not end up with Hiromi the Chance's is high but it's a big no-no to author haha it's good to see in the end Airi and Satoru met.
Whats more disappointing is that you will never hear kayo say “ your an idiot”
To Satoru again...
The worst plot twist is that Hiromi broke the bro code while Satoru was sleeping
It also sucks that Satoru ended up with Airi, who is underage and 12 years younger than him, which makes Satoru a pedophile
@@kittykibibble8563 just found out that she's 21 when the anime ended so he ain't a pedophile
@@thtboiz9443 They're still 12 years apart though. It's still morally wrong.
@@kittykibibble8563 there both adults he's not forcing her and she can make her own decisions what's the problem?
e 366 not to mention that in Japan, an adult and a 17 year old if it was still 2006 at the end would still be legal there
There are two levels of bad endings:
1. Bad Ending
2. Darling in the Franxx
Hey hey that was great ending
@@b12zturtelz29 Thomas has never seen such bullshit.
1.5. Death Note
@@Scazoid yeah the bullshit of people thinking DITF had a bad ending who doesn’t want giant space waifus
Then you get. Masemunes revenge
I feel like there's a difference between bad ending and BAD ending. Bad endings are rushed and not the quality you expect given what came before. BAD endings recontextualize the entire story in a very negative way. Really, not just endings but twists or sections too. The retroactive component is important.
Reminds me of Usagi Drop. I really hated that ending, and tried watching the anime trying to ignore the manga,b ut once you know, it's pretty painful. Like "i can't believe the writer wrote such wholesome father daughter moments like this and still continued to make the ending where they end up together".
Attack on Titan
Bad endings leave a bitter taste in your mouth that sticks with you. It taints the experience. Look at How I Met Your Mother.
D.B. Cooper why what did it's endings do?
kevin if watch a video on it, basically a thing from early in the series which fades out of main focus becomes the main focus of the ending when it shouldn’t have been and it played out quite weirdly
kevin the ending undid everything the whole last season set up. In fact the whole series was building up as to one particular day, the whole last season revolves around that day, then the last episode downplays that day and how it wasn't actually important. The ending is so unsatisfying, It was my favorite show when it was on, but the ending made me never want to watch it again. It's such a slap in the face. Almost all fans of the show agreed that it was a bad ending that the show had to make a new edited ending that isn't as good either, but not as bad as what they gave you.
Rock with Arms i did that wasn't what i was asking
Gilberto Flores i see sorry i only ask because i never watched that show i find it boring so never got into
Hot take: airi was always the love interest and people got hooked on “best girl” because they thought this was a romance
Retake. No
@Goleziyone Dreaming sounds like you want the usagi drop route
u left no crumbs
Airi is best girl I don’t care throw stones at me she was always the best for Satoru
I wanted to pretend like Airi wasn’t a love interest because it grossed me out. A 16 year old with someone who’s 28 (I think) is so gross. It makes me feel so uncomfortable
When kayo showed up with baby
I was like
NO GOD PLEASE NO
Nooooooooooooooooooooooo
Same i was hoping for Kayo and Satoru to end up together
Yeah it's just sad.....༎ຶ‿༎ຶ
I was hoping that she's just taking care for her relatives or what
But maybe he will marry the younger girl
I know I hated so much
My only issue with erased was the 15 year coma. Seeing him reconnect with his friends was cool but it felt wrong. I felt like despite 15 years passing the only thing that changed was the characters appearances. People can drastically change in just one year so I find it preposterous that after going through puberty they’re personality hardly changes a bit.
I can understand that, but I would've been extremely upset if they changed. I haven't read the manga yet, but I'm pretty sure I'll like it as long as the characters don't change all that much.
This, they decided to make 1 realistic change with her not waiting for him, but nothing else. EVERYTHING else is just dumb. Complete nonsense. And thats why people hate it.
Erased ending is not bad, Satoru never “loved” kayo as he was a 29 year old man trying to save an 11 year old girl. He did care about her, but not in a romantic way because he just wanted to save her. She might have loved him but it would not matter as he went into a coma for 15 years. In that time you can’t expect her to wait for him as they don’t even know if he’ll wake up. She is an adult and can have her own life too. Y’all need to realize that
ya but everyone wanted them to end up with each other, like they got such a good connection, and at the time no he was not 29, he was that age and they did fall in love
@@aidanzhang953 YES YES THANK YOU I WANTED THEM TO END UP TOGETHER SO BAD, like how does your killer wait 15 years but your lover can’t
@@viinxes4618 he was a 29 year old in an 11 year olds body. That is why he remembers everything. He even mentions it in the show
@@jaidyn485 Age wise it’s fine WHO CARES ABOUT THERE MINDSET what’s that gonna do
This!! I never read the manga or anything and the fact they didn't end up together was a really good thing for me. He was a 29 year old trying to save a child. Period. It doesn't matter if he was in a 10 year old body, he was an adult trying to save a kid's life, them ending up together would be hella weird. It genuinely made me happy to see they made her end up with someone else
Before watching I'll say: the answer is sometimes.
TheDarkM a Short answer to a very overly long video. Thank you.
Moast of the times realy
I suppose it depends on how important the ending is, if the whole show is all prep work for the conclusion, then yeah. But if something like Black Lagoon, if it ends, has a bad ending. Then it doesn't really mater as each arc was a self contained story, so it could be considered only one bad part.
School Days?
CornishCreamtea07 you have a point but att least standarized story structure animes need a good payoff, the only other way a anime can get away with a bad ending is being a long runing series like naruto's case my friend is a self confessed naruto fanboy and he hates the ninja war arc but it dont ruin the anime cause pepole get atached to the caracter due the longer nature of the anime
Am I the only one who's actually happy with the ending? It's true that I really wanted to see Satoru and Kayo together but this wasn't Satoru's plan. His plan was to save these 4 people, and he managed to do it. He also became a mangaka, and that was his dream. I don't really see a problem with the ending. Also, it's not necessary that you'll wake up from a coma so I don't think Kayo was like "Yeah, let's wait for him to wake up. I won't continue my life until he wakes up"
This way, the ending is more realistic. But that's just my opinion.
Facts. Ppl wanted Kayo and Satoru together like they were in love or something or like it was the point of his character arc...
EXACTLY like he never thought of it as romantic like he’s a 29 year old man he just wanted to save a little girl
@@Snpaulie i see u’re replying to all the comments too. does these bad takes by other people make you fume too?
@@tammybui9278 late reply but yeah lol
Actually, I was satisfied that Kayo got to live in the future. But her role in the last 2 eps was kinda small, I mean in the manga her role was different, and the anime she had a bigger role, so all it’d take was for her to contribute in exposing the murderer since Satoru helped her the most, same thing that Kenya and Hiromi did for Satoru in the finale. I just wished Kayo get to return Satoru the favour instead of just a “thank you!”, considering how he saved her from her previous fate.
To paraphrase the Mysterious Mr. Enter: Endings don't change what came before, but they can make you see it in a different context. The context of "This show ends great," "this show had a terrible ending," and "this show was cancelled before it could end" lead to vastly different viewing experiences, even if they logically shouldn't.
Anime, like all fiction, is human on a fundamental level. It's made by humans, for humans, to engage with the most human parts of them. It's not always logical.
Timothy McLean wow totally well said there man. I like Mysterious Mr. Enter he is a lot more interesting to watch.
Curious question: have you watched Nostalgia Critic, he made a similar video on "Ending ruin a film".
Some endings are bad enough that you question why you ever got invested in the series in the first place, that's why the ending can ruin the entire show. If One Piece ended with Luffy choking to death on a hotdog it wouldn't make the rest of the series terrible, but it would obliterate any reason to care about the overarching story. Why invest hundreds of hours of your life to watch it all end in a meaningless anticlimax?
mariokarter13 i hear that. I always question how much i enjoyed naruto, but after the ending i saw how much terrible and inconsistent writing went into it. It was so different after the ending looking back on it now
While a horrible ending won't ruin rest of it, it will ruin your impression of it. Most people will not watch a show again or play the game again if the ending sucks, hell they don't even if its good - they will move on,but last impressions are what will be remembered. Its what you think of when someone you know asks you about your opinion if to recommend or not.
runelt99 i wouldn't say that. Ill still watch the hell out of the first season of death note
Soul Eater really needs a reboot. Great series, horrible ending. manga ending makes so much more sense and ties things up bittersweetly
needs the brotherhood treatment.
@@MrEcoho definitely
Fax that ending was so stupid
Just read the manga after the anime and my jaw hit the floor seeing the differences
Really ? I remeber the ending beeing really silly, but its been a long time
Unpopular Opinion: I actually didn't mind the Erased ending
Sameeee
me too tbh i loved it
I think it was good. I never thought it'd be considered bad, unlike like Akame ga Kill (i know the manga exists).
I actually liked how Erased ended but I haven't read the manga. So looks like I will how I will kill some spare time.
Ryan Maloney The Manga ending is vastly superior to the anime’s ending, in my opinion.
Bro y’all people are crazy. Just because Satoru and Kayo had intimate moments doesn’t mean they have to be together. The ending showed how Satoru’s efforts helped his friends move on and live their lives. He didn’t do the things he did for himself, he did it for them. Also for all y’all saying that he loved her when they were kids weren’t paying attention. He never loved her. Sure he felt some type of way since he was in his 11/12 year old body, but he never loved her. She might of loved him but she moved on from her crush. So chill out
For real. Seeing Kayo and Hiromi end up together thrilled me, because all I could think about is "but... What happened to Airi?" The ending of Erased had nothing to do with catching the killer... It had to do with finding Airi. And he did. And it worked.
It kinda cements the character as a very successful hero, which is rather unexpected in a more realistic setting. He sacrificed himself to grant his friends a brighter future and it worked.
Usagi Drop ends where the anime stops. The rest of the manga is just a fanfic. Yup.
Nope, It's canonical
*Update:* I love how my two replies (I erased the second because I was wrong) made such a nice debate with a bit of burn to my ego 😣😖 *ouch*
Usagi Drop ending is canon, I'm sorry, I watched the ending when a little boy :3, it didn't bother me, when I said it was cute I meant "the artstyle is super cute and I found it cute when I was much younger"
Thank you for reading this comment
@@swisslord2478 We're trying to live in blissful ignorance
@@swisslord2478 Just made me a bit uncomfortable, that's all lol
@@swisslord2478 A 40 year old man who raised a child from the age of six and then decides to become her husband when she's a teenager is not "cute," it's fucking horrifying. You're aware that this is the _exact reason_ that people think Woody Allen is creepy as fuck, right? And I don't give a shit if you say, "But SHE'S the one who was in love with HIM!" He's the adult. He is effectively her parental figure and has been for a decade. He needs to draw a line and say, "No, this is completely inappropriate, you're only infatuated with me because I raised you, you need to let it go and seek out people who did _not_ play an active part in your child-rearing." Instead he _gives in_ and then they talk about him getting her _pregnant,_ and viola, the rest of the series has been completely ruined forever and turned into an utterly creepy loli-grooming "raise your own wife" fetish insert story.
It is NOT "cute," and the fact that you think it's "cute" truly disturbs me. I honestly hope you never foster or adopt children or become a teacher, because this is the kind of thinking that leads to you taking advantage of the kids in your care and making excuses for why it's "okay."
Dog God You dropped this -> 👑
Am I the only one who felt like the ending to Erased was bad, not because of it not being a murder-mystery or Satoru not ending up with best girl, but because the villain wasn't fleshed out enough for it to work? It went from "oh let's take this harmless drive into a lake" to him being completely obsessed with Satoru for no real reason. If we got to see what happened after he was kidnapped, or develop Yashiro's villain side more, then I think the roof scene would have been better. Them being up there talking about how they couldn't live without each other was more weird and creepy to me than I think the show meant it to be.
Then there came the "this was my plan all along" monologue, which is enough to deserve an honorary eye roll each time it's used. Especially when the show doesn't clue the audience into this, just to make it more "surprising" or "shocking". I still recommend Erased to other people, but the ending did sort of diminish it overall.
Snow0282 I agree, if they had shown the villain like "oh my god what now?" once he put Sataru in a lake, like maybe he attempted to kill a few kids from surrounding towns but it just didn't feel the same. I too wish they had fleshed out the villain.
Totaly. In the manga they go over the hamster story of his in a lot more detail. He mentions his brother. And how the whole web thing started a lot better there.
Im still mad they didnt up together...all that stuff about saving her and shit was a huge waste...he could of had a 8 year coma at least...
Snowdles you know I’m just pissed about Satoru not getting with best girl and I don’t know why, out of all the things I could be angry about it’s that
"No real reason??!" The guy read his future. And he was obsessed with people that cling to their life.
I personally really liked the ending of Erased,
I mean Airi and Satoru meet again!
Satoru went to the past just to fix all the things, while we all knew that Airi really liked Satoru...
I mean it ends well for all of them all together!
(And if you fell he wasted his life years being in a coma, don't forget that he has already lived those life years earlier before time travel thingy)
Harshit Pal exactly.
Airi is underage and 12 years younger though. That makes Satoru a pedophile.
Kitty Kibibble in the anime the last scenes of the last episode it shows that it’s 2010 airi was 17 years old in 2006 so she would be 21 and satoru would be in his early 30s
It leaves unresolved plot points tho :(
no i kinda wished that he got to spend those 15 years with the people he saved. like c’mon.
A lot of animes dont have "bad" endings they just kind of end abruptly, like most animes that have 12 episodes, almost everyone of them, I haven't watched a lot of them but all of them,
Reading this gave me an aneurysm.
Blend S is a great example
Erased taught me that your killer is more loyal than your crush.
Dokie Wokie
Sensei is best girl.
Dokie Wokie I know this is a joke but I feel that’s way too true and I’m pissed about it
This is just my opinion but i just on't see it that way: Satoru did not save Kayo (+ the other 2, that's already something that people should consider) becase he wanted to BE with her, she was NOT his love interest. He wanted to save her because originally she had seen her, one of her classmates, alone and emotionless, and then she disappeared and was foung dead, along with another two girls who were in the same institution, plus getting his close mentor, Jun "Yuuki" Shiratori, convicted of the murder of said girls. He was tormented ever since by the fact that he had seen this abandoned girl that died days later, and he believed he could have done something. When he got the chance to, he became determined go give these people their lives back, to save the abandoned girl, to get his innocent mentor out of his unjust predicament, to have no regrets about having stood by and done nothing. He cared about Kayo, because he knew she had her life taken "on his watch", he wanted her, and all people involved to actually HAVE and LIVE a life. I think if i had lost 15 years of my life to give another girl hers, only to find she had thrown 15 years in the garbage can waiting for me, i would be rather furious; i would probably feel as is my efforts had been negated by the girl i saved.
I know this is quite a sloppy way to put things, i'm not particularly good at writing thesis about themes of humanity. Nevertheless, i would like to know what are your thoughts.
John RUclipsr goddamn you didn’t need to write a whole fucking essay
@@johnyoutuber9781 😐...
Well, I watched the anime for Usagi Drop, it became one of my favorite anime, but then I found out how it ends in the manga and now I can barely even look at the series as a whole without being really uncomfortable. that being said, I'm slowly beginning to appreciate the experience that the anime gave me, while just thinking of the last part of the manga as a perverted 'fan fiction' made by the original creator.
Dedredlink i legit went to wathc the anime because of this comment to see how can a mange ruin a ending......and boy how badly i was wrong.......that manga ending is horrible
Yeah I just pretend it ends where the anime does and everything else was some messed up fan fiction.
@@kevinmiller8111 That's what I do too, lolol
Yup I just read the volumes of the manga up until the timeskip and pretend it stops there
If it makes you feel any better, the show's director didn't know the manga's ending when they made the anime and when asked afterwards in an interview he (respectfully) disagreed with the manga ending.
It depends on the ending. If it’s just underwhelming, you can still appreciate all of the things that came before. If it blatantly undermines everything that came before, then yes, you’re well within your rights to argue it’s been ruined.
UltimateKyuubiFox This. Erased’s ending wasn’t bad, it was just underwhelming compared to the amazing stuff prior. It shouldn’t be enough to ruin the whole show for someone.
Ailobyte Fair enough. That Makes sense.
I agree. To use an example from this very season, Land of the Lustrous is an overall fantastic show that I would heartily recommend, but the last episode doesn't really... end anything. Obviously the show is concluding in the middle of an ongoing manga so a full conclusion isn't possible, but the last episode is full of things that just kind of... happen. It's moving the pieces into place for the next story rather than giving a sense of closure for the story we've been watching.
I'd still very much recommend it though, despite being book-ended by the two worst episodes of the series.
Android 19 Thats problem they always adapt and air the anime ahead of the ongoing Manga, its sorta counterproductive adaptation wise.
Android 19 Nah, it had a satisfactory ending where it had the completion of phos development arc until that moment, it was just lacking.
Anyone thought Hiroomi was a girl and then episode 11 hits you like a truck
They state before that that he’s a dude
I kinda knew
does hiromi even have a soul?
@@dachshundyt9085 maybe not
YES
I just finished watching Erased, and honestly, the ending didn't bother me.
@@Austmorg no, thwre were many scenes signalling their future but no
@@Austmorg there were a lot, bru when she asked "where are yo fukin gloves bru"
He said "idk stfuuu"
She put her hands on his, thats just one example, it goes on, there was mo signalling at all of kayo and the guy she ended up with (i forgot his name due to him being useless)
@@Austmorg I disliked the ending because he was in a coma for like 15 years, like what bullshit or who writes that. That should'nt have happened and if that coma didn't happen or did happen but for a few moths then Kayo and Satoru would've been together and make an adorable couple, but sadly didn't happen.
yeah i liked it too. it was more selfless than "im saving you so we can hook up" besides, kayo and the guy she ended up with were both murder victims that he saved who went on to create another life that wouldn't have been. Much sweeter in my opinion. I will admit they needed a little longer to really flesh out the ending but I wouldn't call it bad at all
AshesToBurn they should’ve just had a time slip with Kayo and Him because, the actual pairing of Hiromi and Kayo is so confusing it made no sense. There are so many things that could’ve made this ending better.
I actually really liked the ending of Erased because it wasn’t the MC’s mission to end up with the girl it was to save her which he did and she grew up happy with a family of her own
It doesn’t matter though it’s still sucked everybody wanted them to get together the ending really fucked me up
@@Halejexst Y'all are weird if you actually shipped that. Bro was a 29 yo with a 11 yo. After the time skip, yea sure, but jesus I've seen many people here who have made questionable statements. I didn't ship satoru with anyone personally. I'd ship him with airi if she was older
bro i want to die, why hiromi, who the fuck is hiromi
and don't forget, to save his mom first and foremost. If you like the ending, that means you are an adult, especially with your reasoning. Same with mine.
I loved the ending especially after kayo started a family. I cried so much when saturo cried of happiness, sure he didn’t know it yet at the time but all his hard work came to fruition and he saved his friends life and allowed her to have a happy life with a child of her own, and become the mother she never had. Like yeah no I don’t ship the 29 year old with the 11 year old.
Usagi Drop is literally top 10 anime/manga betrayals I'm still not over it
Yup its true like he married her it more become like raising your wife
I just watched the anime and saw a guy saying “yeah haha its, a great anime, but the manga is not that great, dont look it up guys, it ends here”. Why didnt i listened to those angelical words? God... why?
@@arthurroger9646 a year since this comment (who knows how long since i watched and read it) and IM STILL NOT OVER IT
I'll never be over it
Yes
The reason why it was Hiromi out of everyone is because originally Hiromi was also about to get killed by the killer along with kayo and the other girl, but satoru saved both of them and then hiromi and kayo gave birth to a new life. So inshort satoru saved that child.
I think what a "bad ending" comes down to in terms of ruining an anime, is whether or not it ruins the themes and questions that are explored throughout the series, thereby ruining the re-watch-ability and changing the tone and perceived intention of previous episodes. And, at least right now, I can't think of any that have been ruined to me because of that. Sure, the first 50 episodes of an anime can be great, but to me, that makes them just that, good episodes, but if you're going to be reviewing the overarching show as a whole, you can't leave the ending out of your final analysis.
I think "ruin" is a strong word for it. All in all, if a show is great before the ending its still going to get (or at least should get) a glowing review, I don't think a show should be torn to shreds due to the ending, but in order to make the show exceed expectations and become truly great, the ending makes a huge difference between a 8/10 anime to a 10/10 anime.
Great analysis, love your videos, keep up the awesome work!
have a like. just remember that this goes for movies, too. studio Ghibli's tripped itself up a few times recently, and I'm not gonna let them get away with it.
Reading this reminded me of Akame ga Kiru. Faithful to the manga, until one point where it diverges. I didn't feel comfortable with the original direction the anime went with (although some stuff i liked rather than the manga. For example, the dead of someone), but it's pretty much my opinion.
Tenchi Universe ended in broadcasted rape of the MC and then he had to marry all the biggest trouble makers of the universe, meaning his job as an intergalactic police officer was over.
Now does this make the show bad?
yeah, for example, while not of the whole anime, DBS' trunks saga's ending just made the rest of it feel pointless, and it kinda tarnished the androids/cell saga in Z
I totally agree, lets take One piece as an example which is loved by many and is really good, however it hasn't ended. Right so if we compare it to lets say FMA Brotherhood, which has a great ending and rappes up the major questions. Which I would say FMA is the better anime because of it great ending and because I do not know One piece's ending and has the potential to just shit itself in the end, like some *cough cough* Evangeline *cough cough* loved it until the end. *cough* it's cursed *cough* but that doesn't make the whole show "Ruin". I never watched ERASED of its mystery it had, I love ERASED because of the philosophical ideas it brought up and I thought about how do I imply the idea of living my life with out regretting my choices and my actions that have n my own and others futures. thus this is what made ERASED a good anime in my opinion. or Berserk's ending which pissed me off how it ended to which I went and read the manga and I believe that the ending in the anime did "ruin" my experience of the anime or Manga. With it's controversial ending of the show and the manga's controversial topics allows us as audiences to reflect on our own selves and sympathies with Guts. P.S. Griffith fucked up.
An ending is the pay off to a show's build up. A bad ending to a good show is disappointing because all that build up was for nothing.
It's the investment of your time and the emotional pull an anime has.
not all stories are structured that way. Some certainly are about building up to one final payoff, but others are more just about the journey . Or maybe the runtime of a show is divided into relatively self-contained arcs or sub-arcs that each have their own build-up and pay-off. So a bad ending to the last arc may have very little impact on the arcs before it.
Agree. The ending, in storytelling in general, is one of the most important things. The pacing can be set aside if the ending is amazing. The introduction can take a secondary role if the payoff is great.
The ending is imo the key to make the decision whether you wanna spend more money on a show or not, it's the last moment you remember of a series and the last final impression you get of it. The last impression in general, for whatever in life, is the most important imo.
Unless they REALLY fuck it up though, the ride to that point was good, was it not? The ending has a lot to do with the story, BUT i dont think the ending ruined it in all honesty. I think it took some of the "wow this is really good" aspect away, but overall still really enjoyed the ride to that point. Even with Bleach being the disaster it was in the ending, i still loved the ride to that point and you shouldnt take away all of the good of an anime/manga because the ending wasnt perfect.
What stories are structured in a way that they don't have a climax and real ending? Stuff like that are usually episodic, and the individual episodes have normal story structure but the story doesn't really progress much over the course of a series. These are basically slice of life shows or comedies.
"don't look that up by the way"
*looked it up*
why would you do this to me, man?
Congratulations. You played yourself
sorry but i loved the ending of Erased. i mean he's whole thing was that he scarificed everything to save those girls .. and people are pissed that he didn't get one of them? reminds me of this idea that the good guy will get the girl because he saved her ... please
And also why would He want to get with Kayo in the first place that was never a plan in his 29 year old male brain. Maybe a passing thought but it was always shot down
In my opinion what really killed the ending for me was that it was anticlimactic and rused. I can't even for the life of me recall much details of the final exchange between the teacher and the mc because it was so unmemorable other than me thinking, "what the fuck is going on?"
To be honest I thought that the ending was beautiful. I dont think it was a bad ending as many think.
Ikr. And in his 29-yr old mind, it'll be weird to be attracted to any of the girls he saved because they're kids. In his pov, he's just saving kids while he's an adult stuck in a kid's body
@@monochromaticmirror5598 cap he clearly matured down as well. Sure he knew at some point he was 29 but his mental age clearly regressed as well considering how different his personality was how easily he got flustered and how childish he behaved in regards to "playing superhero and detective" he also obviously grew feelings for her he even admitted the mom was in the way when Kayo slept over
There´s another thing that the original FMA did better than brotherhood (aside from the lighting) Hughes´death. We spend a lot more time with him in the original and so the death feels a lot more painful than in brotherhood. Ironically after the death i feel brotherhood got a lot better and was able to overcome the original.
Probably because the studio was only rushing through the parts FMA had already done before.
As someone who didn't watch FMA 2003 (or anime in general, which hence made me more used to Western animation's compact storytelling), the pacing in the first part felt just fine for me (aside from original Greed's abrupt death, that did feel weirdly quick for one of the 7 main villains, though him returning later does mitigate that).
Although, I will say, that quick pacing did set up expectations for the rest of the show that it then subverts, since it stops being episodic and plots take much more time to resolve.
So actually, for me, my quibble with the show's pacing is the last chunk of the show is too slow, mostly because of how many plotlines are going at the same time without any resolving till the very end. Though speaking of that ending... Yeah, I didn't care as much about my quibbles after that ending. It was a pretty dang good ending.
That episode broke me for years!!!!! Like it still hurts a little!!
2003 did everything better.
03 did the humumoculi and characters better
Erased's ending is actually much better if you view this show as a Columbo episode. In an episode of Columbo you know who dunnit from the start, and the show is about the protagonist catching them. And most of what people hated about Erased, is that we know who dunnit very early; but it becomes acceptable if you can accept that this show isn't about mystery. The main failure in that show is that they didn't make it obvious you were watching Columbo, while you thought it was Scoobidoo.
Everyone was disappointed because the villain didn't yell: "I would've gotten away with it too, if it weren't for you meddling kids!"
But thats the problem with such a big audience of anime honestly when talking about "everyone knew", because not everyone knew from the beginning who it was, but the chances that a good portion of the people knew is right. Why? Because, well when you have hundreds of thousands of people watching something, everyone combined will have a guess of pretty much every character in the anime being the murderer. Im pretty sure some people thought the mc would be the killer, or the girls mom, or the teacher, or any other character. Its like giving someone a question and you give them and 2 answers a or b, and they can choose they have 100,00 other friends playing along and they each get 1 guess. ATLEAST 1 of them is bound to be right just by the odds.
Then stage 2 of this is someone says what happens as a guess, they were right, and then EVERYONE pretty much jumps on the bandwagon so they dont look dumb.
everyone knew because the answer was inside the opening ... shitty anime that's all
I wouldn't say "shitty". Predictable, perhaps. But not shitty.
Yeah honestly if people couldn't tell that Yashiro was the killer, they weren't paying attention. The first shot of him, as he walked into the classroom and the camera uneasily followed him as he walked, made it obvious. Along with every other shot of the camera placing undue focus on him, or lingering on him for just a little too long, or showing his creepy smile obscured by shadow, or showing the killer as he stood outside Kayo's house with an identical haircut to Yashiro, or literally showing his face as he walked away from Satoru's apartment.
I think the reason anime fans put so much emphasis on endings is because at lot of the time we don’t really get them. In this medium it’s very common for a series to not be adapted fully or in the case of Shonen they tend to go on forever with tons of filler and no end in sight. As such it’s a breath of fresh air when you have a series that makes it all the way through to the end and that end turns out to be satisfying. Just due to how rare it is I usually give a show with a good ending a bump of one or two points just due to that alone.
Giotis Filopanos I completely agree. I love reading modernist books like Kafka and pre-modernist like Ivan Ivanovich, and because I've read and enjoyed endings that are poetic but not satisfying, I can really enjoy and understand a lot of those kinds of endings in anime. I don't understand how people can think Death Note has a bad ending, as with Erased.
My dude that's spot on! Most of these anime that come out have so much cliffhangers in which logical thing is to get another season or last episode but unfortunately a lot don't get them. Most of the anime need the "end" or they aren't getting relief of closure.
People may not like the ending of Erased, but the ending makes sense. A lot of people were mad that Kayo and Satoru didn't date, but Satoru is a 29 year old guy who wanted to save an 11 year old girl from being kidnapped and killed. With Satoru going into a 15 year long coma, nobody knew if he'd ever wake up. So Kayo moving on instead of waiting for 15 years makes sense to me. I still really liked Erased, it's definitely one of my favorites and it's a masterpiece in my opinion
It really only had a few ways of going and that was one of those ways so it wasn't too surprising and I personally didn't think it was that bad. Sure it was a little rushed but otherwise was fine.
nobody blames kayo for not waiting 15 years we blame the author for putting satoru in a coma for 15 years+that’s not the only bad thing about the ending
The ending to FMA 2003 felt depressing, even after watching the movie it only made me feel sad that no one they knew will ever see neither Ed or Al again. After watching Brotherhood those concerns were quickly taken away, it had a satisfying conclusion, one that the characters earned and deserved, not to say the original wasn't a great show either.
Great, somebody that enjoyed FMAB
Me too
I hate the Brotherhood ending. Not because it's bad but because it's fucking boring.
I kinda like endings like that sometimes. It's like how in real life, how some problems or conflicts never become truly resolved
2003 had that depressing and ruthless tone in it throughout. Many seem to only pay attention to the main plot but the 2003 version was diverting heavily from the manga even before then and was setting up it's own story well in advance. So it wasn't as if they didn't know what to do and made it up as they went. Some parts that might have been the case but the major bew plotlines were clearly set up while the main story was still following the manga.
Usagi Drops manga is not cannon
never
try Barakamon
Lord Alvin is it like usagi drop but without the disturbing end?
@@arthurroger9646
Definitely
@@swisslord2478 thanks, will check it out :)
So what I'm got from this video is that the best way to watch FMA is to watch the '03 series up to episode 28, then watch Brotherhood from episode 14 onward. Is this correct?
Elzipper 7 Pretty much. The scene when Ed reads the recipe of a human body is also muuuch better in the 2003 version.
Basically. There's a few fillers you can skip from the '03 one (except the Mine episode, because without it, Yoki isn't as funny), but it's much more satisfying than just watching Brotherhood straight out.
I don't know why they rushed the pacing of the part of FMAB they already covered in FMA, or why they added that terrible first episode when the start in FMA and the manga worked perfectly fine. But from Shao Tucker (I believe that's how you spell it) onward in Brotherhood the pacing isn't as unbearably rushed. My recommendation is skip episode 1, and then watch the rest of FMAB while keeping in mind at the beginning that it gets much better later
Lord no.
Watch both. Fully.
Fma 03 is great up till the end in it's own ways, great conclusion to eds character develoment
Not in the slightest. FMA 03 doesn't adapt the Manga before going it's own way so much as rewrite the Manga material along with setting up the second half. The timeline of Manga events is completely restructured with things like Julia Douglas as well as mythos behind Ishval and the Philosopher Stone NOT meshing with Brotherhood in the slightest.
I loved the ending of Erased dude. I had no problem with it.
the ending was great
Same
Yup
Nah they fucked Satoru over in the end.
@@vegitoblue3613 the whole point was his sacrifice
man FMA:B ending was one of the best endings in anime I've seen. From the final battle between 'father' and the rest,to the moment Ed realises what Al was about to do, to when Ed recovered Al's body from truth (man what a scene, and the soundtrack)...And that ending was built up very well as well and even after that when we see ed's proposal to Winry and what everyone did in the future, I think that was a good conclusion. In most anime I feel depressed when they end but with FMA:B...I just felt content. Obv I'd like to have seen more of it but I wouldn't change a thing about the way it ended tbh
I loved the final season of FMAB but I don't care much for Father especially in his God form. Wrath, Pride and Envy were imo the best villains and by episode 61 they're all dead. I was only watching the last 3 episodes to see what would happen to Greed, Roy, Hohenheim and how Ed/Al would get their bodies back. Episode 63 was great, Hohenheim's death, Greed's death, Father at the gate, and Ed giving up his alchemy. When I saw the last episode... I felt nothing. I liked how Ling volunteered to help May's clan and Roy getting back his vision, everything else I didn't care about. I prefer episode 51 of FMA2003 compare to episode 64FMA BROTHERHOOD.
because the writer wasnt afraid to end her series with a conventional happy ending. Many writers now ruin their animes trying to make people cry at the end. I love sad endings but it has to be wholesome
akame ga kill (anime), domestic gf are examples of shows that would have been better off with a typical happy ending but the writer said no screw it, let's leave a bad taste in everyone's mouth
NANO Ff okay I know I’m late but come on, people shit on the original Fullmetal Alchemist way too much and don’t give it enough credit. In my opinion it’s honestly the real Fullmetal Alchemist, as the characters for the most part we’re still themselves and didn’t break out of character too much.
But the real reason of course I’m here is for the ending. It makes me wonder if people even bother to pay attention to what was going on in the end of the series and the message it was trying to tell. The ending isn’t really a bad ending and in my opinion it’s very masterfully crafted especially when it had to go and make its own story after it adapted what it could from the manga. It’s ending while tragic is meant to get across that even though you equal effort may not be equal gain, you shouldn’t runaway or make excuses for the unfairness in life, it’s knowing that truth and finding a way to move forward and find meaning in your life despite a cruel reality.
That in my opinion is sure one empowering message, and has far more thematic depth than Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood’s ending. It’s not also one sided, as we both know that there’s a chance that the two of them might meet each other again, it’s left ambiguous but still it’s not a bad ending so it confuses why people just go and say it’s a bad ending when it has this kind of thematic depth within it and an empowering message that really applies to real life.
@@TheVeganStudent_ ok yes it is a empowering message, but it comes out of fucking NO WHERE and doesn't relate back to the original plot like at all. Our suspension of disbelief with FMA and FMAB is supposed to be that the alchemy is completely scientific and therefore not fantasy orientated. And yet, instead of portraying Truth as he's supposed to be portrayed (i.e, the alchemist's inner conscience condemning them for their actions, hence why each person individually has their own gate of truth), he's instead portrayed as a sadistic god who resides near a fucking PORTAL to the REAL WORLD which undercuts the suspension of disbelief because you're supposed to be able to feel like FMA takes place in the real world, hence the obvious clues that Amestris is inner-war Germany.
Also, on that note of the fascist government allegory, the fact that FMA shoves the allegory down your throat is what ruined it for me. Like, they legit meet and defeat Hitler. Just, let that sink in for a minute. Does that sound fucking ridiculous? Yeah, that's because it is.
A bad ending can definitely ruin a good story, the same way a good ending can elevate a "meh" story.
But I actually liked the ending to Erased and FMA 2003.
Erased I didn't hate but also can see the criticism but I will never understand how people have a hate and criticism of Fullmetal Alchemist 2003's ending when the end of Brotherhood is literally f*** the world rules set up to this point. Equivalent what now?
srsly, DO NOT LOOK for the ending of Usagi Drop, i tought it wouldn't change it for me, that i was strong enough, i wasent.
yep... usagi Drop is forever ruined with the ending.. same with "for my daughter i might even be able to defeat the demon king" which has a similar ending to Usagi Drop(altough less "drastic" do to story setup) and activly made me stop reading the manga adaptation(and not wanting to watch the anime) after i found out despite, or rather because, it was so wholesome before and now that i know what it leads up to its all tainted, its tainted with a disgusting filth it will never get rid of ever again....
spoilers for "for my daughter i might even be able to defeat the demon king" and thus implied spoilers for usagi drop ahead(as similar ending so knowing one will spoil the other)
and "for my daughter i might even be able to defeat the demon king" at least has the benefit of the doubt as A) she was older(not much) when basicly adopted, B) he was younger in general(18 and 8 at the start vs 30 and 6 (booth start of the series) C) that they are 100% NOT blood related(in usagi drop she IS the daughter of his grandfather, thus his aunt(which is weird in so many ways to begin with) Still them ending up togetehr tainted the series in my eyes.. even IF people try to justify it with "she never called him dad, but always by his name" (when i recall her also calling her Biological Dad by his name iirc) and similar things.. in this case evne if im disgusted by it.. i can see where it comes from and why it isnt as disgusting as usagi drop for many people.....
Look up the ending to ladies vs butlers and in the scene right before the final few seconds of the last episode look around the screen and see how many weapons the mc can use to kill everyone who was outside with him.
She's not his grandfathers kid, thats a major thing in the story. His grandfather took care of her for her mom because she didn't believe she could be a mother.
Other then that i do agree that the ending does give off a tales genji style vibe.
I actually really liked Erased's ending and don't understand the hate against it. I get that the killer was obvious, but I loved the execution of everything regarding the reveal, timeskip, lost memories, and the trap they set for the killer. I also loved how we get insight into the killer's psyche as well and how Satoru gets into his mind.
I think a lot of people are also mad that Satoru didint get with Kayo. But the way I see it Satoru was never interested in this 11 year old girl because he was technically 29 and just wanted to save the kids. Like his biggest regret was that he couldn’t save that girl it wasn’t that he wanted to smash the girl or devolved Romantic feelings for her. His mission was always to save the kids and find who the murderer is
@@Snpaulie Oh yeah, didn't they get together in the manga or something? I haven't read the manga, but I honestly agree, I think it's completely normal that they didn't get together in the anime. People that read the manga were likely waiting for it as a big thing, but for me who was just an anime viewer, I feel like the bias isn't there, and I can enjoy the ending without having known a different ending already. The other ending may possibly be a better one, but I still enjoy the one I'm familiar with too.
"Do bad endings ruin great animes?"
*starts getting PTSD flashbacks of Soul Eater*
The ending for Soul Eater left me very unsatisfied. The anticlimactic battle between Make and Asura that ended with her *SPOILERS* punching him really hard in the face really killed the anime for me. I can watch the beginning episodes just fine, but when the diverge from the manga happens, it becomes difficult.
The place where the anime ends is like, 1/4 of the mangas total content. I would really suggest reading it, it is a much more fulfilling story
Endings are treated as so important because they are. Though you can't throw a show cause the ending is the culmination of everything we have been through so when it is a huge letdown or a waste you feel it because without a proper finish nothing is the same. Imagine a paper with a terrible conclusion, Sex with no finish or a youtube comm
the path to get there is as important as the end. sometimes even more important. it depends of the story being told.
also, sex with no culmination can be good too. ask most of the females of the world that do not know what an orgasm is.
Sophie Prince You are right but if the ending spits on the journey the whole trip Is ruined
No one will ever understand the true meaning of bad ending until they watch Neverland
*AOT enters the chat*
Are you challenging me?
@@infamouspotato2028 what's wrong with AOT's ending
@@sainikhilkanchumarthi2267 o h n o dont a s k
@@sainikhilkanchumarthi2267 Nothing people just complained about it and now the author made 8 more pages on the ending which then made the ending bad.
USAGI DROP
I was a bit sad with the ending of Erased, but thats because a part of me wanted to see a fairy tail ending. If you can accept that the cute moments were just that, cute moments, then you can appreciate it as a show about a boy trying desperately to save a helpless girl from a tragic fate.
Am I the only one who hates the charlotte ending?
Edit: I may been a bit too harsh on the ending, but it certainly ist't good and very frustrating
Dominik Mlynarik nope, but all the other 11 episodes were great
Fuck hiromi satoru should haved ended up with kay
Yeah the show was so dam good but the ending is kinda boring almost like its setting up for a sequel that will never happen.
Tomori is still best girl tho
Doesn't everyone?
Ruin? No.
Leave a horrid taste in your mouth (so to speak)? Yes.
@Muhammad Agil Ramadhan HRP Same, just finished it and I'm sitting here trying to forget the ending and create my own one already
The moment when Erased lost me was when Satarou was in the car with the killer. And since they hadn’t really been developing the mystery, they just threw a shit ton of clues and hints in my face to the point where literally yelled “OH MY GOD, I CAN’T TAKE THIS ANYMORE, YOU ARE SO OBVIOUSLY THE MURDERER!”
Go read Usagi Drop up to the "ending" and tell me it can't ruin a series. Everything that made that series worth while was pissed on by the manga's ending. It ruins everything cause if you rewatch/reread after seeing the ending it you cannot ignore where it all leads and so everything is tainted.
That's also a go to example of a series where the anime is better than the manga.
It has an horrible ending, don't watch it
@@swisslord2478 *NO*
I was shocked to see the ending.. it wasn't that bad, just so surprising..
I only heard that the ending and "twist" kills the central theme of the series.
@@pabloc.b.9837 okay watch it if you want
Usagi drop oh GOD. I read the beginning of the manga in middle school and it was one of the FIRST mangas I had read. And then later in high school I decided to finish the manga. Terrible mistake
For those curious, 30 year old adopts granddad's illigititimate child. Adorable slice of life of him trying to raise a 6 year old adorable girl. However, later the girl falls in love with him when she's 16. He tells her to wait till she's 18 and then they get married. The end.
Hahahaha reading it really made me laugh, I finished the anime, picked up the manga because I wanted to know how they would end up, and we get the complete destruction for everything the anime stood for
I'm sorry for your loss >:
Charis M I KNOW I WAS SO DISAPPOINTED CREEPY AS FUCK
I feel bad that you subjected yourself to reading Usagi Drop past chapter 4. I'm glad the anime adapted the manga appropriately.
I think the Tucker story in Brotherhood is effective in its own right because it's a HUGE gut punch. Part of you can see where it's going but you don't want to believe that they'd actually go there. Having read some of the Manga first before the 2003 Anime, I found myself almost dropping the book itself in shock and hooked by the series itself.
The 2003 Anime indeed did it real justice as you described but in its own effective way, choosing to have Ed dig deeper himself and figure it out early rather than having that one single second where it all clicks into place.
Really, if it were up to me, I'd have a director's cut of Brotherhood Episode 4 where additional scenes of Nina with the Elrics are added.
The problem of the bad ending is that it always leaves an aftertaste, its always something bugging you when looking back, sometimes anoying, sometime downright infuriating.
You cannot go back cause you have that shadow looming.
I speak mainly from manga, as i have encountered some of the worse endings posible, and some that just leave you unsatisfied.
Yes. Like, oh my god, have you read I Want to Eat Your Pancreas? That had the saddest possible ending.
Erased had a “real” ending! Everything in life never turns out exactly the way we want, that’s how the real world works
its not as though an ending that doesnt satisfy personally isnt canon, but it doesnt seem real in the context of the show itself. Also, life not working how we want has nothing to do with this topic and is pathetic, in life people die all the time but you would be sad if a loved one died right? Even considering that point, it is animation, a story, art that can be controlled to produce whatever outcome they decide to create. If you are loving an anime for all the artwork(story,theme,etc) preseneted in the begining, but suddenly the ending has nothing to do with any of its former selling points it wont feel like a real conclusion, somewhere along the lines the show lost itself or the show lost you.
The problem wasn't that it was "real", as those same elements happen in the manga (Kayo marrying the trap, Satoru losing his power and reuniting with Airi, etc.). The problem was that it changed a large section of the plot progression in-between when Satoru wakes up from his coma and when the teacher is caught, causing it to feel like far more of a cop-out than the manga.
Real? MC jumping off a roof as a part of an elaborate trap while everyone remains alive and happy.
JamieChrisVA true true
JamieChrisVA I like the end
I was ticked off when the ending came along. Both Satoru and Kayo had a really strong bond, that the author devolved through the majority of the show. But then I realized something that slightly made things better. Satoru went in the past to save everyone. He was supposedly living the same life as if everyone had been murderd, except he saved them all. He just continued his life as if he had been erased from everyone’s mind.
In regards to brotherhood, as much as the original may have had a more impactful Nina episode, I, who watched brotherhood first, was so shocked and appalled by the reveal, that I felt physically sick and briefly decided to stop watching (though later changed my mind). So I think in part, it’s somewhat down to perspective.
When she showed up with the baby I just couldn’t.. I WAS CRYINGGG
But still I love that anime!!
Watching Kayo cried over breakfast was the first time i cried over someone crying over breakfast, even Yuuji's bread scene didn't made me cry like this one
Christ, I've been looking for Erased. It's my go to on how not to write a story. A perfect example of a series having a perfect ending, and running it by keeping going. A pyrrhic victory caused by the main flaw of the character. Where the main character achieves his goals, saving those who died in the original timeline, but fails to stop the one who killed them, leading to others dying in their place. Switching the victims, saving those he cared about at the cost of not only the lives of others, but his own as well. All because he thought he was infallible because of his knowledge of the future.
Then he wakes up from a long coma having forgotten the reveal of the identity of the bad guy, almost all of the arcs that were running ending off screen and being told to us matter of factly, and the series going on to limp to an ending I'm not surprised to hear wasn't very good. I say that last bit because the series lost me as soon as he woke up, and most everything had resolved when we weren't allowed to look. I didn't finish it.
It seemed to say, "Hey, were you invested in the growing relationships? These friendships that were only made in an attempt to save the life of the friends that slowly grew into true, two sided friendships? The hints of a romantic relationship? Well FUCK you, because we're kicking that to the curb! Remember the girl from the opening? She's back! Who cares that we haven't had any time with her in a dog's lifetime, SHE'S going to be the focus of this chapter, just as soon as we can get these pesky characters you're actually invested in out of the way. Closure? Pacing? Following through on the promises made in the series? We don't need that."
It felt like a betrayal. All that time, all that investment, all that growth, finished in a chapter with a palpable handwave. Maybe it gets better after that, and it gives you the impression that it actually cares about its own story and characters in following chapters, but the pure disrespect of that chapter was a kick in the dick, so I don't think that would fix it for me.
yeah i agree, the problem was on how much time and how you develop the relationship between Kayo and MC, like him blushing like a baby when he was 29, all the effort of Kayo to open up to him, etc and then guess what: it doesn't matter, they are friends.
And I kinda understand Airi had no screen time, even if in the manga is more present but she kicks out with NO ACTUAL REASON: she loved him bc she respected him not because she likes his face, we dont know how she get under the bridge when she never been there before, and she pops off like this.
On Kayo, an extreme fragile girl knowing his savior was in coma for a danger he saved her from, and she's ok I guess.
I get it 15 years of coma and all, but at least give us some hint on how the HimoriXKayo relationship born. No all the cute moments out of the window. SO WHY BUILD THESE MOMENTS, build them as a friend not just to kick us in the face with the old trick of a fake ship
and yeah no development of a child murderer and telegraphed ending
I AGREE WITH BOTH OF YOU SO MUCH! The author needs to have a 𝗥𝗲𝘃𝗶𝘃𝗮𝗹 so that he can fix this story.
Noah Pilarski I agree
And the cherry on top is that Airi is actually underage and 12 years younger than Satoru, making him a pedophile.
I'd just like to point out, Brotherhood's version of the Nina Tucker story is nearly a shot for shot remake of the original, except with a few extra scenes added to pad the runtime. That said, I completely agree about you having more time to care about the characters in the 2003 version, and the chimera twist being so completely shocking there. I can't really say how shocking FMAB's version would be in comparison though, since I knew it was coming.
I will say, however, that I preferred the way the actual chimera scene in FMAB played out. In FMA, you're given some not-so-subtle clues that all is not as it seems with Tucker's wife, and thus, Tucker himself, so when Ed and Al make their way to his lab, you can tell something bad is going on. In FMAB, you get the clues about the chimera from two years ago, then later, you get the clues about Tucker's wife "leaving" two years ago, so unless you're rather astute individual, you'll most likely realize what's going on at the same time as Ed, making the revelation more shocking. Ideally, they could have given more time for their relationship to build up in FMAB, but the scene itself is my preferred version (The voice acting and music might have had something to do with that too).
In retrospect, your comment hits the nail on the head. I recall having watched FMA forever ago and partway into the second episode I thought "He killed his wife. He killed his wife and did something with the body." Granted I still got the surprise twist of her being his first talking Chimera, but I still was able to catch on.
By comparison, when I shared FMA with my sister, I showed her Brotherhood from the get-go. And she didn't go "Oh shit!" Until Ed finished asking his two part question. When talking to her about it she completely didn't see it coming and super invested in that one revelation.
I think brotherhood tended to do that over all. A large amount of the re-tread scenes were done with more polish to have a much more amazing emotional impact by removing excess fluff and having more focused scene direction. But when it came to character investment they did rush things, as the video said.
Phant0mC0bra I think the one thing I can say I preferred in brotherhood's version was motivation. In irritation 2003 Shou did it because he could. He didn't seem to have anything to prove, he just wanted to make another Chimera. In brotherhood the deadline was pressuring on him and he did it out of a mixture of fear for his old life, and curiosity on what the new result would be. I can't really explain it, in both they were twisted and unrepentant, but in one he did it just because and in the other he felt he had no choice but too. And I, surprisingly enough, had more feelings towards the latter.
Emma Henry
I'll give you that one. I've known a couple of people that couldn't get into Brotherhood because of its lack of Slice of Life and breather episodes. That and one person felt that too much time was spent on supporting characters personal drama, as opposed to the story of the Elrics they were so engrossed in.
Watching both side by side Brotherhood is more subtle about the twist.
Yeah, the manga's story is very abrupt and cold, and for me, that was an important part of it. The girl is adorable and the events are a tragedy, but the real horror is that this is just one of many terrible stories playing out in this awful country. I think it would have worked even better as a flashback to justify its extreme brevity, but that tale in the manga told me more about Amestris than Scar ever could.
The way FMA played it isn't wrong, but Brotherhood hits me the way the original manga did: it's disturbing because it feels wrong, like we needed more time or information to work through it.
Contrary to your common shipping wars, this is not a matter of whose ship is better. The one that was carefully crafted with love and affection in the anime was sunk without any thought while the one that sailed was a hastily crafted mess; it literally blindsided the audience. This could have been solved either if the anime closely followed the manga or if the anime creators changed the entire ending with a proper plan.
From the get-go, the anime shipped Satoru and Kayo hard. 75% of the anime is spent exploring and nurturing the bond between these two individuals, and that effectively makes them the lead male and female characters respectively. Before going to the past, Satoru had a huge regret for not saving her 18 years ago. Coupled with his mother’s murder, his initial goal was to save the three kids and find the murderer, which would also allow him to save his mother and himself as well. However, once he befriends Kayo and gets to know more of her personality, he becomes more than just a friend. Their interaction and just how much Satoru strove to save Kayo from physical abuse and impending death are the biggest attraction point of the anime.
Compared to his relations with his other friends and the other victims, theirs was special. Who wouldn’t agree that the scene where the two foxes circled them on their way to the Christmas tree decorated with glittering ice filled our hearts with warmth and affection?
It was so adorable!
Birthdays on the same day. A mere coincidence? I think not. Despite coming back in time with an objective to save people, he made an extremely meaningful bond that transcends normal friendship. Even when they parted ways as Kayo went to live with her grandmother, Satoru ran after the car as far as he could just to see her for just a few seconds longer. Has he done the same for anyone else? No. Kayo was special for Satoru.
Much of the screen time nurtured and developed their bond and the audience grew fond of it. We were able to connect with them deeply and rooted for them to be happy together, and what do we get in return for all of that emotional investment? Satoru goes into a coma and wakes up fifteen years later to find out that one of his best friends, whom he had selflessly cared about so much and whom he had saved/shielded from a ruthless serial killer as a kid, had now married his one precious somebody that was not family while he was comatose. And then we have to shove down our throats that he has a kid with her. Okay, cool. The revival will fix everything right? WRONG! Uh-uh. We only have one episode left to wrap it all up and the bond between Yashiro and Satoru (which is almost non-existent, thanks to the divergence from manga) takes precedence over the Satoru and Kayo’s bond. All the effort that went into developing a beautiful relationship over 10 episodes was thrown out of the window and no afterthought was presented from both parties (Satoru and Kayo) to give it a proper closure. Ouch! That’s when I personally felt a part of me die inside and everything started to go downhill. Realisation hit me that I had sat myself down to watch a beautiful anime only to leave my heart aching with regret for watching past episode 8. It was depressing as hell! Ugh!
(I am absolutely not putting in a picture of Kayo with the child because if you are anything like me, the pang of pain isn’t worth it.)
Now, it’s perfectly fine to think that Kayo should have moved on after Satoru didn’t wake up for 15 years. It’s sad, but there is no denying that even Satoru would have wished for her to move on and be happy. He is selfless after all. What doesn’t sit right, however, is that it was his friend that won her heart. Let me get this straight. Hiromi married his heroic selfless childhood friend's girlfriend without a care of how Satoru would feel when he woke up from a fifteen-year-long coma that, as Satoru said to Yashiro, went by like a flash.
Kayo marrying someone Satoru didn't know wouldn't have made it as much worse as it was but marrying his friend's precious someone? Seriously? You are gonna do that to your friend? What happened to Bro Code? Yeah, of course, Satoru would be kind enough to just accept it because he is selfless and cares for you, and would be no doubt happy for you all, but did you ever even think about how he would feel inside? You seriously cool with that?
Personally, I think Kenya was the one true friend Satoru had. He was sharp, was capable of empathizing others, and was the main guy who got his friends together to help Satoru recover. Since Hiromi is a minor character who didn’t even show up when I google searched the characters in Erased (no offense, just the hard truth), a lot of people have the opinion that if it wasn’t Satoru and Kayo getting together, it should have been Kenya and Kayo. That leads me to think that even if Kayo had approached him, he might have turned her down because he couldn’t stab his friend in the heart. I know I wouldn’t.
He had the foresight to predict how it would look like if Satoru woke up from his coma and saw him with Kayo. If it were me, I would be riddled with guilt. Satoru is a selfless guy who can forgive people and move on, but nothing hurts me more than seeing such people being hurt by others in return for their kindness without a thought about how they would feel.
(I know I said that I didn’t want to post a picture with Kayo and her child, but I am willing to post Satoru’s drawing of her and the child to emphasize a point. How does it look? While the baby is sound asleep with the mother wearing a smile, to me, the picture looks sad. Now, whether the gloominess comes from Satoru’s state of mind or how Kayo actually looked like when she met him is up to your interpretation.)
Well, in the end, things turned out to be really dark, and as a consolation, Satoru still had Airi, or did he? Who knows if she already has a boyfriend in this timeline. Their bond was underdeveloped in the anime, and although it started quite strong at the start, it doesn’t hold a candle to the depth of Satoru’s bond with Kayo Hinazuki. I guess Satoru did once say that revivals only ever result in neutral or negative outcomes for himself. He got to save his precious people and overcome his life’s biggest regret: saving that one lonely mystery girl clad in red who wandered the park alone in the snow till nightfall.
No matter how he changes the future after he uses a revival, he will always be a bystander who protects strangers and the people he cares about. He cherishes their happiness above all else, and that’s what makes him a great hero. Truly, a sad sad story about a man who gave everything and was left half alive by the end of it all.
(note, this is my opinion from the anime, please dont hurt me)
*COUGH COUGH*
Darling in the Franxx
lol i was expecting it here till i saw the date this was made. that said as log as you dont watch past the whole red franxx episode youll be fine.
thank you
The show’s goods outweigh the bad at least
i cant be the only one who really liked darling in the franxx and it’s ending right 😔
@@streetballer1997 no it's not
I remember liking Soul Eater back in my early years of high school up until the ending.
Gunvolt 524 same
I actually didn't mind Erased ending. Not quite what I wanted and wasn't the best but it worked. I think the biggest factor for me is is it "bad" because it's not what the fans wanted or just bad writing
Sean Nissen Definitely the Former a lot of people were pissed he didn't end up with Kayo which I noticed happens every season if a fan favorite ship doesn't sail.
I've actually always loved Eva's weird dreamy original ending. I've only ever watched End of Evangelion once, but watched my tape of the last two episodes over and over.
I love both of the endings but end of Eva has a special place in my heart. Maybe it’s because I watch all of Eva when I was 10 and the “I feel sick” or whatever it’s translated to just made my 10 year old self feel a new emotion
When I first watched the ending I was extremely confused but once it finally set in what was happening I thought it was one of the best endings I’ve ever watched
Not an anime, but I am a Hero's ending was the laziest and most insulting thing I've ever seen, and put a sour demeanor towards my feelings on the series even though it was so good until then.
So, yes, endings do mean a lot, mostly because an ending is usually a viewer's last impression of a series, and if it leaves them with bitter emotions then that's how they will view the series looking back.
The same thing happened to me with Soul Cartel.
Jormungand.
Sam Lucas Ugh. And then they released that 2nd season that didn't do anything to fix the ending
Woo another I am a Hero tard like me.
That fucking manga was basically a slap in the face at the end but the Gantz ending was a big fist to the face.
I saw a lot of recommendation for I am a Hero a long time ago, and I did act on them.
Once the spoilers...
aliens and bullshit started happening, I clocked out. I knew it wouldn't be the same story.
I loved the erased ending. It's definitely one of my top three endings next to FMA brotherhood, and code Geass. I think people just don't understand symbolism and need everything spelled out to them.
Honestly I was okay with the ending for Erased. I hate when every series has to have everything neatly tied up with a bow at the end. And I was more in it for the relationships than the murder mystery as you said.
that's been my problem with some of the newer Studio Ghibli stuff. When Marnie Was There had the worst of it, but Arriety kinda tripped itself in the last few seconds too. both those movies tried to wrap everything up in the last few seconds, and it kinda ruined my emotional investment.
hated EOE, though. watching shinji get over his issues actually made the series worth it to me (the whole "I don't have to hate myself" thing), and the movie RUINED that.
I really liked Erased, but I had read the manga first and it combines the best parts of the anime and the drama. The ending of the anime didn't bother me because I had already read the longer and better ending before hand. Although I do understand why people would be unhappy with the anime's ending if they hadn't read the manga first.
The Erased ending was only bad because kayo ended up with the femboy. Like come on, I would've been happy with Kenya.
True. 😂
what the fuck did i just read
seriously like atleast the cool smart dude
Except Kenya is good bro-
Fr!!!!
How the hell you even manage to watch live action remakes is mind boggling
Live action erased is dope , nothing like death note remake
Charlotte is still probably still my favorite anime of all time even though the ending was shit, so no.
Same
Yeah it was still great, I don’t think the ending was the worst, it was okay but it could’ve been much better
Same. Jun maeda's works always has its unique charm.
Your bit about Kado got me wondering about something that might make for an interesting video. A list of anime you've watched that started out promising; good story, build up writing etc but at some point went downhill. Not like good anime that suffer from a bad ending but an anime where after a certain point every single episode was bad enough to undermine everything that came before. Y'know like good shows that couldn't even wait for the ending to shit the bed.
Guilty Crown, Erased, Charlotte, FMA(the original), Kakegurui, Yuki Yuna is a Hero, Selector Infected Wixoss. Can't think of any more
I'd add darling in the Franxx to that list.
@@LaineMann I heavily disagree with you on Yuki Yuna. Mind explaining why you thought it went off the rails? (And don't say "because it became a Madoka clone" or "because it became dark" because those are invalid arguments
everyone keeps getting so mad at the ending for erased. and while i do admit it wasn't the 100% satisfying conclusion that i was looking for... It was not a dissapointment. I thoroughly enjoyed the show, and was very happy with the ending of it, (If not very sad that Saturo and Kyo never got together :( which was a disapointment)
But the show was very well put together, and the ending didn't dissapoint me.
I really dislike the people who rage about how Satoru not ending up with Kayo ruined the ending for them. I was really sad too, but that didn't ruin the ending. I also think the main argument as to why Satoru and Airi potentially - potentially, not canonically - ending up together instead is wrong is also very petty. Yes, there's an age gap. But, it's a smaller age gap than what was mentally between Satoru and Kayo. Airi didn't get the best treatment in the anime, but she was still important and doesn't deserve hate because she had the audacity to be a female character who was single at the same time Satoru lost his "love interest" and was also single. Concluding Yashiro's story was rushed in the anime, but it didn't feel so rushed to me (probably because I wanted it to happen asap after he came out with the truth). It's like, if you don't know what you're missing out on, Erased's anime's ending is completely satisfying.
The problem with FMA '03 and FMAB is that you can't exactly watch the first half of the former "instead" of the first 13 episodes of the latter, since some plot details and setup elements are different, if I remember correctly. =[
A bad ending bitter your frist viewing, it does not change the rest of your experience but it harms re watchabilty
I loved the ending to the ERASED anime..... Well guess you learn something new everyday
I loved it too.
Overall, i'd probably put Erased as one of my favourite anime's of all time, i loved the build up, wished we saw a slight bit more of the younger versions of the characters, See a bit more Airi too, and change the ending to make it not just end with Satoru and Airi meeting.
Aside from that, i wish there was a season 2 of it, so we could see more of it, but i doubt that's gonna happen because season 1 already feels like a whole story which doesn't really need any second season or movie (doesn't mean i don't want them, I DEFINITELY WANT THEM).
Yeah, I really liked the younger versions of the characters (especially Kenya, for some reason) and Airi was amazing. Wish we saw more of them.
I'm not often annoyed by bad ending but KADO really got me. The ending was the worst Deus ex Machina bullshit I've ever seen. It doesn't even make sense for the character introduced in the end to be stronger than the alien for any logical reason. And then they practically undo the events of the entire story in one fell swoop by making all the alien tech just stop working.
That last part is what gets me and would be the reason I would say it actually does kind of ruin the story in KADO's case, since it was about the ramifications of mankind suddenly getting vastly advanced technology and that's all gone with the ending.
while i do also hate the deus ex machina bit i do love that all the technology vanished in the end with the whole "now we know there is more out there" thing
Kado was a slap to the face indeed! The whole series was setting up this amazing ending where the MC saves the day purely by his negotiation skills which would have been so much better considering we already knew he stood no chance in a physical confrontation and then what did we get!? The definition of Deus Ex Machina!
I completely agree, the show spends so much time emphasizing how great a negotiator the main character is and yet the ending completely ignores that. Very disappointing
Necroceine honestly I wish the anime had a higher episode count and Saraka would have been a little more tolerable if she just stayed human, tbh she was the most uninteresting character in the show I loved everyone else even the paparazzi dude! He was fucking hilarious
Not factoring in Conqueror of Shamballa for 2003 FMA? It wraps up things nicely because while it's bittersweet, they are happy.
KADOOOOOOOOOOO holy shit Kado’s ending broke my heart into a million pieces. There were so many ways to potentially do justice to the series’ themes and actually pose legitimate answers to the questions asked, but instead we got...... that. Which was devastating because the story had a lot of narrative strength, and the series really had potential (imho) to be a landmark sci-fi/philosophical piece. I especially found it disappointing that instead of treating Tsukai as an interesting foil to ZaShunina, whose equally extreme views could serve to teach main character Shindo the merits of naturalism in order to help him grow as a character or find the middle ground for a true “right answer” they just made her a lazy god waifu and talkpiece for a really biased worldview that offered no room for a narrative counterargument. Not to mention that the story’s final deus ex machina basically amounted to shoehorning in a half-assed attempt at Ghost in the Shell’s message, before lazily stripping it out of the story and retroactively making anything that happened in the series ENTIRELY POINTLESS. It’s been like a year and I’m still steamed about how this anime ended. Would love to see a full video on it, but that’s just me haha. Thanks for the great videos as always!
I honestly kinda liked erased (The anime)’s ending. Although I do wish it was a bit less rushed feeling. Good video though
Dangit Geoff! I came for Charlotte and all I got was spoilers for FMA. Don't clickbait okay? Got it?
Cyril Gigee I wanted to see him talk about Charlotte too :(
Yeah fuckin hell
@@vikauru Literally one second into the video there is nothing about Charlotte
Erased's ending was bad? It wasn't top tier, for sure, but it was far from bad in my eyes. At least it had something of a resolution that I sort of liked. The last couple of episodes also hit pretty hard. Could always have been like Deadman Wonderland.
igloo joe if you watched goatjesus’s reaction to the last ep you’ll know why lol
a lot of people along the way saw the big reveal to be to obvious and were very let down after the hype up till then, it was only a bad ending because up till then it was excellent and the ending didnt match up
I guess, but didn't the manga end with the same reveal, just a different ending? The other thing I'd like to point out is that Erased is not really a mystery anime, it's a thriller. It's meant to be suspenseful, not to try and trick you. The cast is too small and easily to eliminate to give a true mystery. It plays with some mystery themes, but the show is definitely miscast as a mystery. It is sort of like what Albert Hitchcock said about suspense. If you want to make a bomb under the table suspenseful, you have to show the bomb being there, not just have it explode.
igloo joe it may not be a mystery anime but a lot of emphasis was put on the mystery
Yeah, but even on that note, if the reveal was anyone else, it would have been sort of an asspull and really wouldn't have had any sort of payoff. If this ending was bad, how terrible would an ending have been if the murderer was some random guy or someone who had little to no screen time? Mystery's really only work if you know almost nothing about anyone other than the protagonist, and that simply wasn't the goal of this show.
Usagi drop? Ha! yah mean "Usauda've Dropped the manga."
. . . .I'll get out
Yes
I only just watched the erased anime today, and I have a question. By going back, and saving the few kids that would have been murdered, did he end up costing more people their lives? Let me explain. First episode, they show off the revival skip, I won't call it a power, because he has no control over it, and he saves a kid that woulda been hit by a truck. Its mentioned he's done that quite a few times, as in, he's saved multiple people. But then he goes back to when he's a boy, saves a few kids, stops the murderer from murdering, sure, but then goes into a coma for 15 years. That's 15 years he wasn't around to save various people. And when he wakes up, he no longer has his tick, supposedly, so that kid at the beginning is as good as dead. Who knows how many he saved originally that are now gone.
Oh shit you're right I was gonna say "well he came back a few years earlier than the beginning so he still couldve done it" but he says revival hasnt activated since so theres no way he couldve. However we could be in some "everything is fixed" golden timeline where those people are still somehow saved but that seems like a total copout also the timeline cant be too great since hes getting cucked
Well it's not his job to save everyone, a person alone can only do so much. Everytime he does something it changes the future so you don't really know whether those people are dead or not but if we're being realistic people die everyday so it wasn't changing much.
@@Epic-hs7kl Not saying it is, really. Just kinda pointing out that in his effort to save a few people, he may have doomed more to death. Its kinda like the trolley analogy, by saving his friends, and his mother, and ending up in a coma he saved maybe 10 people, but by switching which way the trolley goes, the trolley ended up killing like 50 people.
@@VonDelacroix Yeah but wouldn't you save your mother or someone you were close to over people you didn't know? I honestly would choose my mom and friends, they're more important to me. Sure I'd feel guilty about it but he was meant to save those people dear to him, which was why he was given the power to do so and like I mentioned previously if we're being realistic people die all the time maybe those people were just meant to die but he saved them and now had to let them die to save the ones closest to him.
@@Epic-hs7kl the needs of the many outweigh the needs of a few. Its just a matter of opinion I guess, just something I was pointing out. Can't say I wouldn't do the same thing.
I think it depends on the person, but I know that for me a bad ending can quickly sour a lot of enjoyment I had before it got to that point. Special mention goes to the type of ending that makes a lot of prior events seem pointless.
guess you would really dislike the ending of jojo part 6 then lol
On the Shou Tucker piece: That's how it was in the Manga. It happened pretty fast and the Elrics didn't stay over his place nor did they see the remains themselves.
Yeah but the 03 version does it way stronger
I'm really tired of all the people saying that Brotherhood just rushed the first 10 episodes as it was "already" covered except I found after reading the manga. it was super faithful to the pace of the Manga omitting Yoki mining town and some minor character moments but thats really it. I'm in the minority that doesn't like the longer drawn out filler of the 03 anime and I really hate the Barry and Winry story line. more does not equal better imo
@@tylerwells841 agreed. I had the manga volumes sitting right next to me when I saw this video and reread it to make sure. I get absolutely baffled when people hate on brotherhood when it's so faithful to the manga
@@DerongarciaYeah I compare it's pacing with he original Naruto manga. Everyone complains about the endless filler and dragged out fights of the show, when the manga is a lot more fast-paced and doesn’t have the story out the story forever. I wished Naruto was given the brotherhood or Dragon ball Kai treatment where the show cuts the filler or speeds up the originals pacing to be more like the manga rather then have everything dragged out.
I Absolutely agree with his view on Kado... Man. I LOVED it so much... then... THAT happened.... then i became so.. cookie cutter
VaynardQwerty it was a damn masterpiece
Nobody knew if Satoru was going to wake up so of course his crush would probably get married before-hand.
Well I thought that erased was one of the best anime I ever watched ..though I wish they would have shown kayo ending up with satouru...it would have been perfect...
Edit: The op song re:re was awesome too
Yeah. While I actually liked the ending, I would have liked it if they ended up together.
Yeah, i found Satoru and Kayo's time together in the 1988 parts of the anime stupidly adorable and lovable, i was slightly upset when Kayo ended up with Hiromi, which kind of makes sense but personally i would've preferred if it was Kayo and Satoru instead.
Yeah, the anime was pretty good until Kayo showed up with Hiromi's baby and Satoru ended up with an underage girl.
Ok I know you all think it’s cute but Satoru was technically 29 years old so I don’t think he ever saw Kayo in a romantic light. Also that would just be plain weird
Exactly, it's a top 10 anime but also a top 10 most unsatisfying/worst ending animes. If kayo and satoru ended up together it would have been perfect
I actually prefer the ERASED anime's ending to the manga's. As a manga reader, I felt that the content of the story past the reveal of the killer was far less interesting than everything that came before and the conclusion unnecessarily convoluted. I was happy that they truncated and rewrote the ending of the series so that the bulk of the anime could be focused on saving Kayo, which was the most compelling part of the story in my opinion.
LumRanmaYasha I was also mostly fine with how it ended. My only major complaint is Airi, she is just not in the anime enough. I may have even been better if he didn’t run into her at the end. I liked Airi I am sad they couldn’t cover her more. I understand why they couldn’t though. The rest of the ending was forgivable given the constraints of episodes
I agree. I appreciate that the anime was very adamant on maintaining certain focuses from the manga and not doing the typical gloss-over tactic that many anime fall victim to.
Think of an amazing twist that makes you want to go back and see everything again in that new light with new depths becoming revealed to you. A really bad ending does the exact opposite. When you go back and watch it again, you see everything in a new and terrible light with the life sucked out of it.
One thing about Brotherhood's Shao Tucker/Nina episodes was that at the time, I really appreciated how they didn't linger on something many of us already experienced.
Yes, I know that it's not as comprehensive as FMA 2003's arc, but at the time, all I could think was damn I do not want to go through all that (in excruciating detail) once again.
It's like how MCU Spider-Man skipped the entire uncle Ben story, sure newcomers miss out on the finer points, but most of us already know how it plays out.
It felt like Brotherhood respected our time in that regard, and didn't want to spend so much of its runtime rehashing familiar material. Unlike say Dragon Ball Super, which spent a ton of episodes just giving us "Battle of the Gods" again, we Brotherhood decided it would move quickly through what was already covered so that more time could be dedicated to new stuff.
So yes, in a vacuum, comparing 2003's & Brotherhood's Tucker/Nina story 1:1 makes 2003's the more fulfilling story, but I still am glad Brotherhood didn't spend many episodes covering that story again.
Point is I'm glad with their choice to do that, even if it makes for a weaker opening overall.
1:30 “Just like Arkadaa” shots fired 😂😂😂
What makes you think that was meant to be "shots fired"? He wasn't trying to criticise or insult Arkada at all.
Regarding Geoff's comments on the infamous ending of the "Usagi Drop" manga:
[SPOILER WARNING]
Basically, there's a 10 year time-skip where Rin starts having romantic feelings for Daikichi. Daikichi should of realise that it was the raging hormones of a teenager talking and politely turned down her advances but he fucking goes along with it so they end up getting married and having a child together.
It completely fucks up the beautiful father-daughter relationship they developed before the time-skip and turns a heart-warming story about love into a stomach-churning story about lust. Luckily the anime doesn't get that far and it's better for it because the story should of ended BEFORE the time-skip IMHO.
yes
Isn't she actually his aut? His mother's half-sister. This is not only morally quastionable, it's disgusting!
erased was too rushed, i mean, the climax really hits me when satoru was drowing, but then next episode he wokes up and thats that, he talked to some friend for 1 and a half episode, and 10 minutes later suddenly it ended, and it doesn't feel like an ending to me, when it ends i was hoping for a teardropping scenes, but it just made me feel awkward cause, it was rushed, i don't see it as a resolution of the show, and it dissapoints me alot
Leaving a comment many years later, but I'm glad you mentioned your feelings on the first episodes of FMAB, because I felt the same way. I understood that were probably rushing because they knew we had seen this before, but I was still upset about it, and upset for future fans who would skip FMA and just watch FMAB because they wouldn't get to experience the impact of the first episodes.
Same. Though I watched 2009 first and loved it so much that I watched 2003 afterwards. To me, all the moments hit in FMAB, but yeah, there are some moments where 2003 helps fill in the gaps. I came away enjoying 2003 more especially the fitting brothers ending.