Yes Yes Yes. Even though Sony cameras have great specs and are very reliable, I just don't enjoy shooting with them. I love the Panny because all the buttons I need are available and the grip is way better. The viewfinder is outstanding something that is less than ideal on the Sony.
@@dv78213 I think that it would depend on the kind of video you're shooting. I prefer manual focus for video anyway. I think all this craziness about auto focus verges on insanity. If you're shooting fast action sports I get it or if you do reportage, you can't afford to lose a shot.
I’ve nicknamed my Panasonic S1 “Beast” as it’s one of the most rugged cameras I’ve owned! Got it from B&H and even though my first camera had problems both B&H and Panasonic took very good care of me. Thanks for the great review, love your channel!
FYI: You can turn on "constant preview" in the S1's settings and you won't have to press a button to see your actual exposure/aperture. I also recommend the 120hz refresh rate in the EVF for those used to optical viewfinders.
I love my S1. I have sold everything off except the S1 and a Z6 and 3 lenses. I filmed a theater performance in extreme low light with no external recorder and the 70-200 lens. The footage was brilliant. It will only get better. If you use large 2.8 zooms the size difference is negligible and in fact I feel it is better to have a bigger body.
The #1 complaint that I hear when I'm amongst Sony shooters is how front-heavy the camera is when a lens is attached. Their #1 positive comment when holding a D850 has been how balanced it feels in the hand. The S1, while significantly heavier than a D850, has that same balance to it.
@@keithgoreham1463 The S1 is 100 grams heavier. But with a big zoom on it it feels perfectly balanced. I have never understood the obsession with small bodies when if you put a big lens on it, it feels front heavy and unbalanced.
Compare two cameras BUT .... 1:04 FIRST YOU ADJUST EXPOSURE, LUMINANCE AND COLOR IN POST anddddddd thumb down !! Keep it real guys, SOOC or go home !!!
You say the Sony is cleaner but if we look at how color light works I think there is too much blue with Sony in the sense that the shots lack warmth. The only thing is I wasn't there and I don’t know what the light actually looked like in real life. When I l=ook at the paving at 2:32 the Sony looks very grey which makes me think, “too much blue”. I have studied color with both subtractive and additive methods. I can mix a chromatic grey with three primary colors (or RGB with light). I see a lot of grey with the Sony and not enough hue of color. I still like Canon the best. My preference.
The Slanted Lens , Do I have to know the answer to that? lol I had an experience with comparing three chipped VHS cameras with a single chip VHS or Hi 8 cameras in low light. The better color capturing cameras had three chips. One chip for red, one for green and one for blue. There was always more hue in the color as opposed to a single chip which would grey out in low light situations. Today, the majority of still cameras only have one chip. I wonder if Canon has chips that absorb more light. It would be an interesting experiment. I don’t really know how to chose which Canon to compare to the Sony model since I am not as familiar with Sony products (although I keep looking at them and I am intrigued by them - nice optics). I like the 5D overall. I can’t say it would make a good comparison but I feel it is a good workhorse.
@@TheSlantedLens, You are very kind. The tests I made with 3 chip and single chip cameras were back 20 years ago though (sorry, didn’t think to mention that)
Have to disagree on the ISO test-- throw the video, at least, the Sony looks far better at 3200-12800 ISO. Past that, the Panasonic definitely takes the cake (But I don't see myself ever needing to have an ISO that high!)
The S1 has a "constant preview" option that turns on the wysiwyg preview all the time without the need to push the button! Also, I thought the dynamic range and iso tests were great. Only thing missing was a stabilization comparison for photo and video.
Do a video focus test between subjects near and far. If you can get both cameras on the same rig, do some handheld video shots that test focus and stabilization.
Almost sure that at 8:57 the images are mixed up. The Sony has been less warm and the greens where more blueish less yellowish the whole time. Can you verify it is or isn't mixed up?
Hi, did you notice the massive bokhe differences between the sony and panasonic, are you sure you both shoot them wide open. The bokhe is night and day better on the pana. Can you investigate, is it due to electronic shutter rather than mechanical (as mr ortiz showed on the sony). Please investigate
All mirrorless cameras have shutters for stills, unless they've been disabled in "silent shooting mode". If there's a bokeh difference, it's all in the lens.
@John Jay all true. But we're not sure which shutter speed they used, and also the bokhe difference is MASSIVE, much more than that the EFCS trick can explain. So I'd really like the OP to investigate on this bokeh difference
Travis I signed up for the 3 year warranty but they haven’t replied back to me yet I got the email saying that they received my claim and they will follow up but it’s been a month now, nothing.
Great review as always! One thing you did not mention is the huge cost difference. The S1 and 50mm lens is $4,800, the Sony and 50mm lens is $3,400, or $1,400 less!! This makes the choice easy, as the differences are very small between the 2 setups.
For that extra $1400 you're getting: A 120hz EVF that rivals optical viewfinders in clarity and responsiveness, a larger more tilt-able rear display, an essentially unlimited shooting buffer that doesn't stop you from shooting as it clears, no overheating, far better ergonomics, far better lens-body weight balance, far better build quality, far better weather sealing, an XQD card slot, 4K/60p video, ZERO focus breathing, a pull-back lens clutch that allows you to go to manual focus mode without leaving the viewfinder, a manual aperture ring (important for videographers), all the controls you need at your fingertips, menus that won't drive you insane, and a full-size HDMI port. Frankly, I'd just call the A7III fairly priced in comparison.
Going on what this video shows . Give me the Panasonic any day the sony A7iii is to small and is so uncomfortable in your hand . The grip on the Pano looks far more substantial to hold.
I owned EOS R, 5D IV, and used A7III, A7RIII,A9 and Panasonic S1 has one of the best grip ever. My friend who has a 5D III prefer S1 grip over Canon as I do too. Definitely YMMV though
wellwhatthen10101 exactly why I switched from Sony to Panny....better ergonomics for big hands. I don’t mind the weight...it’s like having a DSLR but with mirrorless benefits.
I have watched at least a dozen Slated Lens videos and have really enjoyed them. I do like the way you guys try to be impartial and just describe what they see from the results they get. I was wondering If you have all these same cameras on had for each comparison or do you rent or borrow these cameras temporarily for each video? Do you think there can be a noticeable difference between different examples of the same model camera? From personal experience I know optics can vary in the same model with binoculars and telescopes. Have you noticed variation in lenses you use? I am biased toward the A7III because I own one but it would okay if I had the Panasonic instead.
Zsolt Kovács well bollocks, we’re just comparing jpegs engine then 😂 Look here for DR measurement: www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/DXOPDR.htm#Panasonic%20Lumix%20DC-S1R Their DR measurement is far more scientific than shown in this video. Anyway, the only the thing I envy from pana is the EVF. I dont care for the higher prices though..
Maybe it's a monitor calibration thing, but to me the S1 output looks more warm and natural. While the Sony output looks a bit more blue-green. Although either could be fixed in post.
@@keithgoreham1463 truth.... that is the exact reason I say brand don't matter to my work flow as I shoot raw 100% of the time.... I honestly don't see the big deal
@@twistaton - Assuming you're getting the dynamic range you want, brand doesn't matter to RAW processing once you have the image. But brand/camera/lens type do matter when considering how to most efficiently/comfortably/intuitively you can get that image.
@@twistaton Went into my S1's settings and created my own camera profile that mimics (as much as possible) my usual initial RAW edits. JPEGs look way better now, and are probably going to be acceptable for unpaid work like the kids' sports photos.
And on and on it goes. If you think you will take better pictures with "the latest and best camera", think again. A7iii is just one year old ffs. Stop buying gear you convince yourself you need and start improving your photography skills. That's were the quality truly lies :)
That's great for photos, but when it comes to video, the A7III is just outdated with its 4K 8bit 4:2:0 internal. Those looking for a hybrid are better served with the S1's internal 4K 10bit 4:2:0 and soon 10bit 4K 4:2:2.
Your so right about how all the cameras are getting so good. To me, it’s always about ergonomics. Getting the shot & working fast, even if the image isn’t “The Best” will always win for me.
I have to say, I see many vids shot with Sonys that are out of focus or it is hunting. This is from long standing YTubers or pro photographers that would hate using out of focus footage. I still believe the sony struggles in action situtations ,running gun or vlogging. As for Pana, they have a terrible reputation for action focusing, so wouldn’t dip my toe until this camera has been proven over time. Canon maybe weak in testing against these mirrorless, but the the focusing is solid. Which is very important. Doesn’t matter how good the dynamic range is or 4k, bit rate, if it is out of focus, it makes the whole footage ready for the bin!
@@waynosfotos Sony doesn't yet have eye-AF for video, that's one of the reasons. Still the new A9/A6400 firmware should make AF better in run and gun situations. I'm sure that hey are saving video AF for the upcoming A7sIII.
Something not addressed is usability of the camera. Panasonic features integrated multiple dials and has an amazing touch-screen interface on their micro 4/3, as well as the pretty well-organized menu. All of these things have been pretty bad on Sony's.
I'm always curious when I watch one of your videos. You never disclose whether you're comparing raw files or jpegs when you look at "color science". If you are comparing Jpegs, then you are comparing the color rendition of the jpeg engine in each camera. This is probably not relevant for people who shoot raw. If you're comparing raw files, then you're comparing the profiles of the raw conversion software for each camera and not any color science inherent in the camera. Which is it? If you are comparing raw files, what software are you using?
22 (additional) L-Mount lenses will be out the first year, and we can expect firmware improvements to the AF. While the S-cams are not much of a threat to Sony (or Nikon) currently, they definitely will be in another year. I think the recent price cuts on Sony/Nikon cameras show that the potential of that threat has been recognized.
Man it is crazy how reviews talk about buying a different camera, like it is choosing a different outfit for the day. Changing brands is a very big deal! So it has to offer a lot, even upgrading, does another 1000 dollars get you much more? These cameras are 2000 US + and then you want some native lens, etc. who has this sort of money?
Exactly... plus way better EVF, plus better IBIS, plus 10 bit video, very usable 96 megapixel mode, plus rugged body, plus this is their first attempt on the FF market... how will their 3rd attempt be like?
You didn't speak PRICE! The Sony A7lll is almost a third of the price and that is most important to most consumers don't you think? What about stabilization?
At B&H Photo the A7III is $1,998 while the S1 is $2,498, so the S1 costs 25 percent more. S1 EVF has 2.5x more detail. S1 5-axis stabilization is MUCH smoother than the A7III is. You can shoot smooth handheld video with the S1, while you can't with the A7III. ( see The Hybrid Shooter : Sony A7III vs Panasonic GH5 - 2019 Hybrid Comparison video to see the huge difference between Sony and Panasonic 5-axis stabilization. Test starts at 8 minutes in. S1 DUAL IS is better than the GH5 DUAL IS. So massive difference over the A7III. )
Value is what matters most. I bought the S1 for the ergonomics, the 120hz EVF, and the superior video capabilities. If someone values body size, price, eye-AF and current lens selection more, then they'll pick up a Sony. But Sony is going to have to start making larger bodies if they want to upgrade their video capabilities to what Panasonic is doing with the S1 and the upcoming S1H.
Gear reviews pay the bills, I guess, but don't forget Jay P. that we all support your recent announcement to focus (no pun intended!) more on just going out and making great pictures than getting bogged down in gear reviews. Or maybe just do the testing on more "real world" photo shoot ideas that you come up with! BTW, I vote for the camera that isn't the Sony.
I love shooting and wish that people responded to that type of content more. I will do more no doubt about it. Thanks for letting me know you're interested. Cheers!
at 4:02 can you see the difference of light on her chest? what about the position of the chart as the angle towards the sky? that changes the reflection of the cardboard that changes the perception of the colors on that chart! please no more side by side comparison but which are not took at EXACTLY the same time! thank you. the chart that the girl holds if it has a little inclination difference than all is compromised, sunshine hits the face differently, the pose of the girl is different, which is imortant if you pixelpiking skin, hair, light, brightnes spots, etc. etc. etc.
Hello, i'm pretty sure that you have mixed up the videos beginning at 8:20. When you'll have a look at the colors, the left one should be the Sony, not the Pana. I think it's obvious...
It's hard to tell if I like either lol. I would like to see the Panasonic next to the Canon EOS R and Nikon Z6 as well. I do think the ergonomics look pretty nice! I like a beefier camera body to counterweight larger lenses, I personally think it will reduce hand fatigue when hand-holding. Perhaps it will reduce the camera wanting to slip downward on the tripod from the lens weight too maybe? It looks cool! Probably the lenses are pretty nice being that they are partnered with Leica!
"this is going too heavy for a lot of people" Really? I guess those of us who had to work with a Canon 1Ds Mark "X" or Nikon D"x"X were Titans among men then... I love Sony cameras but disregarding the Panasonic for the size/weight is dumb, it would mean the A9 has no place in the market...
You get used to the weight after a while, but I was surprised when my S1, with the 50mm attached, was as heavy or heavier than my D850 with a 70-200mm F/2.8 attached. For some people, that really will be a problem. Especially if they sling it around their neck instead of their shoulder. But that's the size/weight that is necessary to dissipate the heat generated by shooting 4K/60 through a FF sensor. So... Tradeoffs.
Great comparison, I’m new to your channel and photography, videos like this one truly help beginners decide which gear to get. Can you tell me what brand/model are your tripods and monopods? Thank you and great video!
Francisco Cienfuegos thanks so much Francisco! Glad you enjoyed the video. We are using Vanguard tripods in this. You can actually use our discount code SLANTEDLENS to get 20% off anything on the VanguardWorld.com site!
Great comparison guys! Definitely not surprised the S1 does a little better than the Sony, and do appreciate the warmer tones, slightly better dynamic range, stronger video capacity, better EVF and the like. I'd honestly like to get my hands on one to try it out. But for the price body alone, the Sony is still a force to be reckoned with even a year later, and has a lot of great support both on brand and 3rd party because it's been at it longer. People can lay all the specifics about how much better the S1 is compared to the A7III, and it's duly noted. But it's not a Sony killer, not even by a long shot. It's really stiff competition, yes, but it's not gonna get flocks dropping A7III's on ebay to grab this off the market.
You're right that it's not a Sony killer. the S1 is more of a DSLR killer targeted at die-hards that haven't gone mirrorless yet. There's a large part of the potential market that just doesn't like Sony bodies, and Panasonic is going after them.
I am finding that sensor, AF and most of the features, really are not the big factor when buying a camera now days. An image is an image and pretty much every camera takes great images now days, if you know what to do with it. So my first thought when buying a camera is how the camera feels in the hand, how nice is the grip, am I going to get pissed off with the button placement. I still could never own a Sony just because I hate the body of the A7 series cameras and for the kinds of photography I do, the advantages of the Sony really are not a huge factor. I found a similar thing with the Nikon, I have owned Nikons fore nearly 20 years and when the Z6/7 came out, I didn't like the grip, it was too small for my hand. Conversely, whilst I am not a big fan of the Eos R, I found it a lovely camera to hold but I didn't want to spend thousands on lenses and the options currently available whilst exceptional optically, weigh a ton. So currently my mirrorless camera of choice is the Fuji X-H1. It doesn't have the AF of the A7III or the X-T3 but it is nicer to hold. The lenses are not that expensive and I generally get amazing results. Though for studio work I still go back to the D800 because I much prefer the OVF.
Yep. That's pretty much how I feel. I just went with the S1 instead of a Fuji. I tried the Z7 (and was not impressed) at my local shop back in August, and then immediately walked over to the Sony counter with the full intention of buying one. But no combination of available extensions could make the Sony comfortable to hold. I would have been shooting with my knuckles digging into the bevel of every lens they sold. Eye-AF was not worth getting arthritis from bad ergonomics.
I have the S1 for about 4 months now and I used to shoot videos with the A7iii. My thoughts: S1 is slower in AF while A7iii is so fast. S1 IBIS is better in a sense but its negligible and can be compared with the A7iii. S1 is huge and heavy as compared to the A7iii and flying on a gimbal can hurt your back. S1 does not have much lens choice as of now and adapting is the only way to go but with adapting lenses, you add more weight, reduce the optical quality and take away the AFC and you will only have AFS and take note that AF on the S1 is already weaker as compared to the A7iii. S1 has better video features like 4K60p internal, 10 bit 422 external, better dynamic range and all that jazz. A7iii is limited to 4k30p, 8 bit 420 internal, 8 bit 422 external but does the bit really matter for your kind of work? Maybe but most of the time, you will use your cameras for social media only. If you will use it professionally, S1 will be better but still, it does not shoot RAW. Bottomline is this, it does not matter anymore. As cheesy as it sounds, the camera that you use is the better camera. So what do you use? I currently use the BMPCC4K. I don't make much sense now. LOL
I owned EOS R, 5D IV and used A7III/A7RIII/A9 and I think it's the best camera I own especially with free battery and grip, free vlog, free 3 years warranty. It works with my EF-L lenses via MC-21 adapter. This camera isn't for everyone. If you prefer small size camera and best AF, there are better choice but its AF isn't as bad as people say. Happy shooting!
Finally a fair comparison I use both cameras and on pro shoots I use the s1 and on my day off and vacation I use the a7iii. I know there’s a lot of die hard Sony fanatics here but let’s be real. Try the camera first for yourself. Yes it’s a heavy camera but it’s for professionals. It’s not for walking around taking pictures of flowers and street photography. Hands down the colors are way better on the s1 in my opinion. Sony will always have my heart but Panasonic definitely nailed it in terms of there first full frame camera. (Compared to Canon and Nikon) and yes it’s not $1,999.99 but it’s obvious why ( LCD, Viewfinder, weathersealed, 4K 60p, rugged body, better feeling in hand especially with bigger lens) and I’m a grown man so the weight doesn’t bother me at all. A small body and a huge lens just doesn’t feel right to me in hand. Might as well get a Fuji system if the weight is a huge deal breaker for you. All and all just go out and try it :)
Love that you use the Panasonic for professional shoots, and still use the Sony on vacation. That's a great visual/real life way to describe the difference. Both are still incredible machines, but you're absolutely right that the Panasonic comes out on top in many ways. So do you think that the Sony A7iii will eventually slip into that more casual/vacation narrative and more professionals will ditch the Sony to upgrade to the Panasonic?
The Slanted Lens The Slanted Lens I think it already have but not in a bad way. It’s more appealing to that more narrative, documentary, street, in a small package beast. I have the best of both world. I can pack my a7iii with my 55mm 1.8 and head out. I’m a huge Sony fan as well but I appreciate and respect the competition for stepping to the plate.
@@TheSlantedLens What kind of pros though? As a wedding pro it seems better to pack two small bodies and also be able to afford to buy them. Then for a 10 hour day, easier to carry around.
I love the s1 even more than s1r. I noticed the green in raw, but its easily fixed by tint adjustment because it appears globally. When sony I used to use got the tint all wrong, like muddy green or yellow, it was spotty, so it was a lot more time consuming to correct.
DXOMark has a review already for the Panasonic S1 and the Sony was ahead barely. I'm assuming they probably use much better controlled testing. The Panasonic is most likely using the same sensor as the Sony, but the Sony will be releasing the Sony A7 IV R this year and that sensor will be old. I loved Panasonic for video, but kind of feel like they're late to the party and the pricing is too high for what they're offering.
@@jasonrogers1242 ah I see, I read your comment wrong as you placed the R in the wrong place, you mean the A7R 4, yeah they may release that this year, but seeing as the have yet to release the a7s 3 I have a feeling you may be waiting one more year
One other point on ergonomics: if you stick to f1.8 and f2 lenses, the Sony becomes small and well-balanced. It's only when you go to f1.4 lenses that the balance gets out of kilter. The key question is whether you really need that wider aperture. Personally, I find f1.8 just fine for background blur and the cost and weight savings are very significant.
Great point. I always find hilarious when RUclipsrs use Sigma 105 1.4 or 70-200 2.8 with small camera with shallow grip. It's unbalanced. I tried it with my friends and prefer S1 for balance with heavy lenses.
@@TheSlantedLens Would love to see improved grip ergonomics, higher resolution LCD and view finder, and a newer sensor and image processor to bump up the image quality to the next generation. Hopefully this year Sony will do so.
Panasonic aren't selling any units. It's a phenomenal camera (I'm an A7RIII shooter but a huge Lumix fan, and all things being equal I'd love an S1R) but they're too late to market with an expensive and limited system. By the time there's a decent lens selection for the Lumix (probably in a year), Sony will be releasing the A74. They're a whole generation behind and haven't even managed to make a better overall product. That's a problem! I'd be shocked if anyone is switching from Sony to any other system. Just doesn't make sense, especially now Sony have merged their imaging and smartphone departments. They're going to continue dominating the mirrorless market and Canon, Nikon and Panasonic are fighting over the crumbs at this point. In 6 years I'd be astonished if all those systems are still around in this rapidly shrinking market.
Ah, see this is what we've been asking some others! Because even though the S1 is an incredible camera, could it ever convert people from Sony?! The name and reputation of Sony itself could make sure that Sony is always at the top, even when comparable products like the Panasonic are released. So you will continue to favor Sony, but would also use Panasonic. Would you use them for different purposes/in different settings?
There will be 22 new L-Mount lenses this year (only 4 of them Leica), and if you think that's not enough I don't know what you're smoking. Canon and Nikon would kill to get that many lenses out for their MILCs in the first year. Panasonic is releasing all but the most telephoto zooms, and Sigma is releasing all of its primes. That pretty fantastic. I'm also not sure how you can say that Panasonic are behind in anything but advanced autofocus. The S1 is literally state of the art in every other respect. The viewfinder alone will attract buyers. As for more than a handful of people switching from Sony to the S1... Not likely. But that's not who Panasonic is going after. The S-Series is aimed squarely at the huge majority of DSLR shooters who for whatever reason don't like what Sony/Canon/Nikon are selling. Canon and Nikon didn't step up with DSLR killers. So Panasonic has.
try that autofocus test in low light and the S1 will just fail miserably. Also seems that you dont have AF Priority on the A7III, as it would only shoot when in focus. Not being a fanboy. I have both the A7III and S1 and by far the sony is superior in AF.
I thought they were both the same sensor ? so I am surprised to see a difference in dynamic range and ISO performance, Personally less weight is what I want. and the ultimate focusing, so I like the Sony, but I own the A7r lll, I have even given up using f1.4 glass, I love my 55 and 85 f1.8 and I have a 28f2, today I compared my f1.4 glass using an adapter and when I was done I felt like selling all my big glass. the slightly more blurred background isn't worth the extra size and weight, and the image quality of the Sony f1.8 glass is so good, I am waiting for a Sony 35 f1.8, even though my Sigma 35 that I adapt is really good. but it is also big and heavy. I also find that the Sony Camera can do double duty, it can be a studio camera, and also a walk around camera for street photography because of it's size and weight. so I don't need one camera for street and one for studio shoots. I also think that like Sigma with there 105 that is over sized and there new 40 that is crazy big, that Canon lost there mind with the size of there new glass, the 28/70 f2 zoom is the weight of a 70/200, I would never carry that weight to get f2. and Panasonic seems to have the same thinking.
We don't know yet who made the S1 sensor, but it doesn't have PDAF points on it. That's why the image is so noise-free compared to Sony, or the striping you get on a Nikon Z-series. It's also why the focusing isn't perfect. Tradeoffs.
Then you're carrying it wrong. Put the strap over your shoulder and carry it like a shoulder bag. I get FAR less fatigue today carrying a D850 or S1 that way than I did carrying a tiny D50 around my neck when I was almost 15 years younger.
The way I see it, Panasonic already offers a light weight option. They have an amazing selection of cameras and lenses in the MFT range of cameras that offer super small and light cameras and lenses with awesome image quality. Why do they need to make another small and light system? So I think because of this, they decided to go the other way and offer the best, most professional, rugged camera that doesn't compromise on anything, which makes it big but well balanced. I am considering getting the S1 as I own their MFT cameras, which are amazing but have been getting into studio and portrait photography lately, and having a FF system seems to be the best way to go with that, where if I want to do more exploration, travel and long walking photography I have my light weight MFT system camera.
I knew SL1 was going to be good based on the solid performance of the GH line. I have Sony a7iii and am super happy with it. I feel blessed. Great comparison video. 🖐🏿🤑👍🏿
I think that the noise differences are the flip side of Panasonic not using PDAF on their sensor. They went for image quality first, and it shows in how well they handle higher ISO levels.
I have it, it's ergo's are fantastic! Yes it is heavish... but because it has really good balance, it is very comfortable. I have shot with it for hours and honestly, I don't find myself every complaining about the weight. It also makes me more steady as well.
I guess you haven't been around REAL pros lugging around pro cameras and lenses for the past 3 decades creating amazing pictures. Ansel Adams would poop on your head for such a dumb comment. Carry a purse instead of a camera.
A sensor comparison between these two cameras is rather pointless since they're using the same damn sensor. All you're testing is noise reduction. Also if your goal with this review was to provide adequate consumer advice for the previously unfamiliar to make an educated decision on which camera to buy you've failed quite miserably. The main selling point of the A7III is not only class leading performance (that is matched our even exceeded by the S1) but the fact that it belongs to a mature system with an absolute enormity of options for third party lenses, adapters, vintage glass, accessories etc. The S1 might have an EF/L adapter available for it but it is one that prevents you from using continuous autofocus with FIRST PARTY lenses.
Crustycumsock did you watch the video? Clearly different low light results, not noise reduction. Even if they’re the same sensor, no on sensor PD will make them perform differently in low light (in Panasonic’s favor)
Both cameras are very good. The differences are usually very small, although the Sony camera is much older. The lens offer Sony is significantly better. In addition, the Panasonic S1 / S1R sells very badly. Unfortunately, it looks like a flop.
The Panasonic IS big and can be "too big"... The Sony used to be the best mirrorless FF around, but it is slowly becoming the best all around FF mirrorless, which isn't so bad of a title to keep... But the real keep[er is Haley. Thumbs up for her, and for your general views on these types of comparisons you both do. Well done to all.
I think that is the fact that a lot of people don't trust and know panasonic as they do in Sony atm, but I think that Panasonic gets the Sony in this comparison ..Still both are great and its all depends on your personal budget and taste color wise...As you said Sony are bought more because they are TRENDING ...not because they are better! From my point of View ...Fuji XT3 is the best choice Today ...decent colors,fast enough ,u have decent third party lenses ...so I would pay 1.5 on glass instead of buying one of These 2!
I have to disagree, Canon was the king, and Sony took it to them and won. Sony is now the mirrorless standard and everyone compares a camera to the Sony. Good on Sony for shaking things up. I have really gone over switching to mirrorless, but I can’t justify the move. It is expensive, and the advantages are small. As a amateur, I do think the DSLRs are still very good and can get just as good stills and video, it is not worth it unless you are a pro and can offset the cost, for your through put of work.
Already sold my a7iii and riii with 4 G Master lenses to get the Panasonic. Couldn't be happier. Everybody shits on Panasonic but they haven't even tried the camera out. It is packed with so many features Sony doesn't offer that makes my shooting such a better experience.
This reminds me of photographers talking about why they prefer Agfachrome, Fujichrome & Velvia, Kodak chromes and etc. All personal presence ! Using Sony Eye focus tech, their is no match to Sony. Not using the features allows bias of Panasonic fan boys. No mention of Panasonic lens selection
I've had the chance to play with Sony's autofocus in a Jason Lanier workshop, so I've seen what it can do in the hands of someone who knows how to use it. It really is impressive. But frankly, eye autofocus is only really necessary in certain use cases, such as weddings (Lanier's bread and butter). Frankly, I almost never use any modes other than single/9-point AFC/AFS for my work. So I mostly compare the AF performance of my S1 to my trusty D850's, where it's much faster in AFS for stills (but crap in AFC), and nearly perfect in AFC for video (versus completely unusable on the D850). So... Good enough AF for indoor/street stills and video work, and it will very likely improve over time with updates. The ergonomics of the camera are all FAR superior to Sony (which I'd have if I could comfortably hold one), so not skinning my knuckles on a lens bevel trumps the AF issues for me. The rest of the lenses I need will all be here by summer, and there's many, many more due by the end of the year. The real test though, which my GH5 never quite passed, was whether I'd gravitate to it and away from my D850's. Well, I have. The D850's only come out for wildlife/sports shoots now.
@Foto4Max I can confirm that. Fortunately, switching to manual-focus is as simple as pulling back the clutch ring on the camera. Not ideal, but very workable.
Hey guys. Enjoyed the comparison. A question for you. Photography gets a lot of criticism for being a boy's club that often treats women as little more than fleshy puppets. Why do you think this is?
@@BlackZEddie I guess mostly people who want their daughters to grow up in a world of equal opportunities, equal pay, and where their aspirations that are not limited by outdated patriarchal values that value them by primarily their appearance. And yes, women are complicit in this system.
@@BlackZEddie Unfortunately, my daughters will not decide if they are entitled to equal pay, or equal opportunities, or to be judged by their knowledge and expertise rather than by their appearance. They don't get to decide - society does, and that's why I'd like to see society change. I want my daughters to have the same power and social privileges as men, whether it's to become a rocket scientist or to become a pornstar. I don't want to prohibit anyone's choices of what they want to do but rather create an even playing field, starting with shifting a visual culture that perpetuates the idea that women are nothing more than their appearance.
@@AndyDay such double standards. You want all those things for women, and the first thing you want to do is take away their choice. And, you don't seem to get it, depending on the field, like modeling, appearance is key. Another thing you don't seem to get, or refuse to, is women are just as sexual, if not more, than men. You're like one of those nutty bible-humpers at the beach telling everyone they're a bunch of sinners.
@@BlackZEddie How am I taking away anyone's choice? I'm completely happy for her to be a model, I'm happy for her to exploit her appearance, I'm more than happy for her to get paid for being attractive in front of a camera. I'm just suggesting that a photography channel has the potential to be more thoughtful in how it presents information. A few questions for you: If you had a daughter, would you want her to be judged primarily on her appearance, or on her expertise and knowledge? Would you want society to give her fewer opportunities than men, and to pay her less than men for the same work?
Hello, I still believe that SONY is the whole pack as a hybrid system. The advantages of the A7 III meaning a more than 1 year older than any competitor, shows that the system remains at the top at every point. When SONY launched this amazing camera they said "basic model", so a "basic model" takes the high end and flagship of every brand around and beats them at every test. The low light capability, battery life (nothing like this around and not a minor thing to test), AF that now has been updated and improved one year after by the new firmware, you can choose lenses of FF and APS-C line and shoot with both in the same body. The price is much lower than the rest what makes it the best at everypoint always taking the price point as an important matter. I go on repeating the same thing, SONY is so far away from its competitors that in five years of mastering MIRRORLESS and pushing other brands to change to this system, they haven´t launched anyting else waiting for the rest to show something new. And guess what?, they will do it again this year if they show what a SONY A7S III or A9R, or a new APS-C line as I expect to compete with the FUJI XT3, that would be game over for everyone. I hope the rest catch up, CANON is a disaster in mirrorless terms and costs. Nikon is trying but not even close, and Panasonic has done well as far I can see.
a professional? Not trying to be mean, but as a wedding photographer, thats 1-2 weddings? And we are in wedding season so you got like 10-20 jobs over the summer, that should enable you to get the gear for the job ;)
Hi everyone! Would love to know your thoughts! Do you think the Panasonic wins over the Sony? Which one would you choose?
Can we have a portrait shoot out between the s1 and eos r
Love that idea! Will mark it down for sure. Thanks Jean.
Yes Yes Yes. Even though Sony cameras have great specs and are very reliable, I just don't enjoy shooting with them. I love the Panny because all the buttons I need are available and the grip is way better. The viewfinder is outstanding something that is less than ideal on the Sony.
How about autofocus in video modes?
@@dv78213 I think that it would depend on the kind of video you're shooting. I prefer manual focus for video anyway. I think all this craziness about auto focus verges on insanity. If you're shooting fast action sports I get it or if you do reportage, you can't afford to lose a shot.
Vlog 10 bit 422 FW update is free until Sept 30 for Panasonic S1
but how do i access it
Was gonna get the S1 until I had it in hand. Its MASSIVE!!!! Forget traveling with that thing.
I’ve nicknamed my Panasonic S1 “Beast” as it’s one of the most rugged cameras I’ve owned! Got it from B&H and even though my first camera had problems both B&H and Panasonic took very good care of me. Thanks for the great review, love your channel!
Haha!!! What a perfect nickname for it!
Thanks so much Glen. Really appreciate it!
FYI: You can turn on "constant preview" in the S1's settings and you won't have to press a button to see your actual exposure/aperture. I also recommend the 120hz refresh rate in the EVF for those used to optical viewfinders.
I love my S1. I have sold everything off except the S1 and a Z6 and 3 lenses. I filmed a theater performance in extreme low light with no external recorder and the 70-200 lens. The footage was brilliant. It will only get better. If you use large 2.8 zooms the size difference is negligible and in fact I feel it is better to have a bigger body.
The #1 complaint that I hear when I'm amongst Sony shooters is how front-heavy the camera is when a lens is attached. Their #1 positive comment when holding a D850 has been how balanced it feels in the hand. The S1, while significantly heavier than a D850, has that same balance to it.
@@keithgoreham1463 The S1 is 100 grams heavier. But with a big zoom on it it feels perfectly balanced. I have never understood the obsession with small bodies when if you put a big lens on it, it feels front heavy and unbalanced.
How do the S1 and the Z6 compare colourwise?
Compare two cameras BUT .... 1:04 FIRST YOU ADJUST EXPOSURE, LUMINANCE AND COLOR IN POST anddddddd thumb down !!
Keep it real guys, SOOC or go home !!!
You say the Sony is cleaner but if we look at how color light works I think there is too much blue with Sony in the sense that the shots lack warmth. The only thing is I wasn't there and I don’t know what the light actually looked like in real life. When I l=ook at the paving at 2:32 the Sony looks very grey which makes me think, “too much blue”. I have studied color with both subtractive and additive methods. I can mix a chromatic grey with three primary colors (or RGB with light). I see a lot of grey with the Sony and not enough hue of color. I still like Canon the best. My preference.
Totally respect that and see what you mean about the grey for Sony! So if you had to compare one of these to a Canon, which would you go for?
The Slanted Lens , Do I have to know the answer to that? lol
I had an experience with comparing three chipped VHS cameras with a single chip VHS or Hi 8 cameras in low light.
The better color capturing cameras had three chips. One chip for red, one for green and one for blue. There was always more hue in the color as opposed to a single chip which would grey out in low light situations.
Today, the majority of still cameras only have one chip. I wonder if Canon has chips that absorb more light. It would be an interesting experiment.
I don’t really know how to chose which Canon to compare to the Sony model since I am not as familiar with Sony products (although I keep looking at them and I am intrigued by them - nice optics). I like the 5D overall. I can’t say it would make a good comparison but I feel it is a good workhorse.
Interesting how VHS is making a comeback! You're way ahead of the curb man!
And totally agree! The 5D is a beast!
@@TheSlantedLens, You are very kind. The tests I made with 3 chip and single chip cameras were back 20 years ago though (sorry, didn’t think to mention that)
Have to disagree on the ISO test-- throw the video, at least, the Sony looks far better at 3200-12800 ISO. Past that, the Panasonic definitely takes the cake (But I don't see myself ever needing to have an ISO that high!)
Why didn’t you compare an AF in video mode??
Likely because there's no point... Sony will destroy the Pana
hmm.. funny that
The S1 has a "constant preview" option that turns on the wysiwyg preview all the time without the need to push the button! Also, I thought the dynamic range and iso tests were great. Only thing missing was a stabilization comparison for photo and video.
Thanks Jake and great point! Maybe a we can touch on the stabilization in another video soon. Have any recommendations?
The Slanted Lens for photo I’d do a 1 second exposure handheld.. for video a waist-up following shot
Do a video focus test between subjects near and far. If you can get both cameras on the same rig, do some handheld video shots that test focus and stabilization.
Almost sure that at 8:57 the images are mixed up. The Sony has been less warm and the greens where more blueish less yellowish the whole time. Can you verify it is or isn't mixed up?
Take a look, the left needed a bit more exposure adjustment and I shifted the greens towards yellow on her dress.
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Hi, did you notice the massive bokhe differences between the sony and panasonic, are you sure you both shoot them wide open. The bokhe is night and day better on the pana. Can you investigate, is it due to electronic shutter rather than mechanical (as mr ortiz showed on the sony). Please investigate
how should the shutter alter the dof ? :)
All mirrorless cameras have shutters for stills, unless they've been disabled in "silent shooting mode". If there's a bokeh difference, it's all in the lens.
@John Jay all true. But we're not sure which shutter speed they used, and also the bokhe difference is MASSIVE, much more than that the EFCS trick can explain. So I'd really like the OP to investigate on this bokeh difference
Panasonic S1 current promotion include free MC-21 EF-L adapter, free Vlog upgrade ($200), and free 3 years extended battery.
Travis I signed up for the 3 year warranty but they haven’t replied back to me yet I got the email saying that they received my claim and they will follow up but it’s been a month now, nothing.
Jean Joseph it takes time. Give it a couple days like I did
How long did yours take ?
Jean Joseph a couple days. I also remember why it is taking so long but other reassure me it's normal.
Great review as always! One thing you did not mention is the huge cost difference. The S1 and 50mm lens is $4,800, the Sony and 50mm lens is $3,400, or $1,400 less!! This makes the choice easy, as the differences are very small between the 2 setups.
For that extra $1400 you're getting: A 120hz EVF that rivals optical viewfinders in clarity and responsiveness, a larger more tilt-able rear display, an essentially unlimited shooting buffer that doesn't stop you from shooting as it clears, no overheating, far better ergonomics, far better lens-body weight balance, far better build quality, far better weather sealing, an XQD card slot, 4K/60p video, ZERO focus breathing, a pull-back lens clutch that allows you to go to manual focus mode without leaving the viewfinder, a manual aperture ring (important for videographers), all the controls you need at your fingertips, menus that won't drive you insane, and a full-size HDMI port.
Frankly, I'd just call the A7III fairly priced in comparison.
Meh, I got my S1 + kit lens for 1200€ refurbished
Going on what this video shows . Give me the Panasonic any day the sony A7iii is to small and is so uncomfortable in your hand . The grip on the Pano looks far more substantial to hold.
I owned EOS R, 5D IV, and used A7III, A7RIII,A9 and Panasonic S1 has one of the best grip ever. My friend who has a 5D III prefer S1 grip over Canon as I do too. Definitely YMMV though
wellwhatthen10101 exactly why I switched from Sony to Panny....better ergonomics for big hands. I don’t mind the weight...it’s like having a DSLR but with mirrorless benefits.
How's the battery life on those 2?
I had the Sony and now the S1. The Sony does much better on battery life over the S1. I would say 25-30% better.
Really cringey intro, and I don't need people who don't talk about the cameras in the video in the thumbnail, almost pressed the thumbs down.
I have watched at least a dozen Slated Lens videos and have really enjoyed them. I do like the way you guys try to be impartial and just describe what they see from the results they get. I was wondering If you have all these same cameras on had for each comparison or do you rent or borrow these cameras temporarily for each video? Do you think there can be a noticeable difference between different examples of the same model camera? From personal experience I know optics can vary in the same model with binoculars and telescopes. Have you noticed variation in lenses you use?
I am biased toward the A7III because I own one but it would okay if I had the Panasonic instead.
06:58 is that moire on the Panny? How do the cameras compare in that regard?
Will Panasonic come with cheaper lense than Sony G master?
C O using the sigma l alliance adapter, you can use canon lenses. They will be going for super cheap soon because they’re getting discontinued
How did you compare photos, raw or jpeg?
good question. Seems to me jpeg.
Zsolt Kovács well bollocks, we’re just comparing jpegs engine then 😂
Look here for DR measurement: www.photonstophotos.net/Charts/DXOPDR.htm#Panasonic%20Lumix%20DC-S1R
Their DR measurement is far more scientific than shown in this video. Anyway, the only the thing I envy from pana is the EVF. I dont care for the higher prices though..
It's funny that people always kill Sony over color but I think it look more neutral...... The S1 looks more yellow-greenish
Maybe it's a monitor calibration thing, but to me the S1 output looks more warm and natural. While the Sony output looks a bit more blue-green. Although either could be fixed in post.
@@keithgoreham1463 truth.... that is the exact reason I say brand don't matter to my work flow as I shoot raw 100% of the time.... I honestly don't see the big deal
@@twistaton - Assuming you're getting the dynamic range you want, brand doesn't matter to RAW processing once you have the image. But brand/camera/lens type do matter when considering how to most efficiently/comfortably/intuitively you can get that image.
the same for me after seeing a lot of clips of Vlog 10bit 4.2.2 i seems that sony it better in color than the s1 , in my opinion of corse
@@twistaton Went into my S1's settings and created my own camera profile that mimics (as much as possible) my usual initial RAW edits. JPEGs look way better now, and are probably going to be acceptable for unpaid work like the kids' sports photos.
And on and on it goes. If you think you will take better pictures with "the latest and best camera", think again. A7iii is just one year old ffs. Stop buying gear you convince yourself you need and start improving your photography skills. That's were the quality truly lies :)
That's great for photos, but when it comes to video, the A7III is just outdated with its 4K 8bit 4:2:0 internal. Those looking for a hybrid are better served with the S1's internal 4K 10bit 4:2:0 and soon 10bit 4K 4:2:2.
I love my Panasonic S1! Once it gets Vlog and whatever else they add to the package is going to make this camera hands down best in class IMO
Oh man! Yea we can't wait to review it with V-log!
Vlog Update is free!!
Travis is it available now? If so how do you go about getting it?
@@jorgeperrito6696 It's available in July. You need to register first. Also if you register now, you get free 3 year warranty.
Travis woah that's epic. Thanks for the info
Your so right about how all the cameras are getting so good. To me, it’s always about ergonomics. Getting the shot & working fast, even if the image isn’t “The Best” will always win for me.
Eric Armstrong love that perspective Eric!!! You got it right!
These tests became so boring and nitpicking, the difference between the two of them are very small!
you were either closer or zoomed in more with the sony on the pics between the buildings.
I'm surprised the Panasonic did as well as it did. And, surprised the Sony did poorly with the AF test. Normally, that thing doesn't even miss.
Perhaps they weren't using the latest firmware? The focus should be "sticking" more
BlackZEddie yes! This comparison really surprised us as well!
@@TheSlantedLens Still waiting to hear what firmware was used on the Sony.
I have to say, I see many vids shot with Sonys that are out of focus or it is hunting. This is from long standing YTubers or pro photographers that would hate using out of focus footage. I still believe the sony struggles in action situtations ,running gun or vlogging. As for Pana, they have a terrible reputation for action focusing, so wouldn’t dip my toe until this camera has been proven over time. Canon maybe weak in testing against these mirrorless, but the the focusing is solid. Which is very important. Doesn’t matter how good the dynamic range is or 4k, bit rate, if it is out of focus, it makes the whole footage ready for the bin!
@@waynosfotos Sony doesn't yet have eye-AF for video, that's one of the reasons. Still the new A9/A6400 firmware should make AF better in run and gun situations.
I'm sure that hey are saving video AF for the upcoming A7sIII.
The panasonic s1 IBIS is 10x better than sony..., Plus the upgrade firmware with 10bit 4:2:2 Vlog
Something not addressed is usability of the camera. Panasonic features integrated multiple dials and has an amazing touch-screen interface on their micro 4/3, as well as the pretty well-organized menu. All of these things have been pretty bad on Sony's.
dancheb really great point!
Does the S1 have IBIS?
Google is your friend
TheFoxwiz what is this "Google" you speak of?
I’ve never seen a 1.4 50mm Sony Prime Lense ... is it new ???
You can see it on B&H here: bhpho.to/34GCGyQ
Very poor uncontrolled testing there. Sloppy, in fact. Model moves, light changes, focus not exactly accurate...
I use an A7III, came from a GH2 and GH4. I would love to use a full frame Panasonic with all those features... but dear god the cost of those lenses!
Those prices are just ridiculous. Almost offensive to the consumer.
I'm always curious when I watch one of your videos. You never disclose whether you're comparing raw files or jpegs when you look at "color science". If you are comparing Jpegs, then you are comparing the color rendition of the jpeg engine in each camera. This is probably not relevant for people who shoot raw. If you're comparing raw files, then you're comparing the profiles of the raw conversion software for each camera and not any color science inherent in the camera. Which is it? If you are comparing raw files, what software are you using?
I dont have to watch this video to tell you its not worth to switch. The biggest problem with Panasonic is lack of lenses and AF.
22 (additional) L-Mount lenses will be out the first year, and we can expect firmware improvements to the AF. While the S-cams are not much of a threat to Sony (or Nikon) currently, they definitely will be in another year. I think the recent price cuts on Sony/Nikon cameras show that the potential of that threat has been recognized.
I think that's very similar to what canon users said when Sony came along....
@@keithgoreham1463 L mount prices are ridiculous
@@stokerjaco L-Mount quality is ridiculous.
@@keithgoreham1463 you'd be hard pressed to tell the difference of l glass vs really good canon, Nikon, or Sony gmaster glass.
Man it is crazy how reviews talk about buying a different camera, like it is choosing a different outfit for the day. Changing brands is a very big deal! So it has to offer a lot, even upgrading, does another 1000 dollars get you much more? These cameras are 2000 US + and then you want some native lens, etc. who has this sort of money?
News flash, newer camera looks slightly better than older camera!
Exactly... plus way better EVF, plus better IBIS, plus 10 bit video, very usable 96 megapixel mode, plus rugged body, plus this is their first attempt on the FF market... how will their 3rd attempt be like?
You didn't speak PRICE! The Sony A7lll is almost a third of the price and that is most important to most consumers don't you think? What about stabilization?
Very good points. I hope they didn't intentionally leave those out to make it look like the s1 didn't also have more drawbacks.
At B&H Photo the A7III is $1,998 while the S1 is $2,498, so the S1 costs 25 percent more. S1 EVF has 2.5x more detail. S1 5-axis stabilization is MUCH smoother than the A7III is. You can shoot smooth handheld video with the S1, while you can't with the A7III. ( see The Hybrid Shooter : Sony A7III vs Panasonic GH5 - 2019 Hybrid Comparison video to see the huge difference between Sony and Panasonic 5-axis stabilization. Test starts at 8 minutes in. S1 DUAL IS is better than the GH5 DUAL IS. So massive difference over the A7III. )
Value is what matters most. I bought the S1 for the ergonomics, the 120hz EVF, and the superior video capabilities. If someone values body size, price, eye-AF and current lens selection more, then they'll pick up a Sony. But Sony is going to have to start making larger bodies if they want to upgrade their video capabilities to what Panasonic is doing with the S1 and the upcoming S1H.
go back and learn math....
Gear reviews pay the bills, I guess, but don't forget Jay P. that we all support your recent announcement to focus (no pun intended!) more on just going out and making great pictures than getting bogged down in gear reviews. Or maybe just do the testing on more "real world" photo shoot ideas that you come up with!
BTW, I vote for the camera that isn't the Sony.
I love shooting and wish that people responded to that type of content more. I will do more no doubt about it. Thanks for letting me know you're interested. Cheers!
at 4:02 can you see the difference of light on her chest? what about the position of the chart as the angle towards the sky? that changes the reflection of the cardboard that changes the perception of the colors on that chart! please no more side by side comparison but which are not took at EXACTLY the same time! thank you. the chart that the girl holds if it has a little inclination difference than all is compromised, sunshine hits the face differently, the pose of the girl is different, which is imortant if you pixelpiking skin, hair, light, brightnes spots, etc. etc. etc.
Hello,
i'm pretty sure that you have mixed up the videos beginning at 8:20. When you'll have a look at the colors, the left one should be the Sony, not the Pana.
I think it's obvious...
I think you might be right
this is poor testing
It's hard to tell if I like either lol. I would like to see the Panasonic next to the Canon EOS R and Nikon Z6 as well. I do think the ergonomics look pretty nice! I like a beefier camera body to counterweight larger lenses, I personally think it will reduce hand fatigue when hand-holding. Perhaps it will reduce the camera wanting to slip downward on the tripod from the lens weight too maybe? It looks cool! Probably the lenses are pretty nice being that they are partnered with Leica!
Matthew G. Garcia thanks for your thoughts Matthew! We will totally consider comparing those!
I somewhat-more-than-moderately-like the model's face and shapes, my conclusion is there is no difference. Am I wrong?
sony is sharper.. but this is useless info becuase its just a matter of the users focussing ability
Two really awesome cameras! Wow! But i'm leaning towards Panasonic more, i'll wait to the smaller models and then it's a done deal.
Ville Mononen good point! It will be interesting to see how the smaller models compare!
"this is going too heavy for a lot of people" Really? I guess those of us who had to work with a Canon 1Ds Mark "X" or Nikon D"x"X were Titans among men then... I love Sony cameras but disregarding the Panasonic for the size/weight is dumb, it would mean the A9 has no place in the market...
You get used to the weight after a while, but I was surprised when my S1, with the 50mm attached, was as heavy or heavier than my D850 with a 70-200mm F/2.8 attached. For some people, that really will be a problem. Especially if they sling it around their neck instead of their shoulder. But that's the size/weight that is necessary to dissipate the heat generated by shooting 4K/60 through a FF sensor. So... Tradeoffs.
Great comparison, I’m new to your channel and photography, videos like this one truly help beginners decide which gear to get. Can you tell me what brand/model are your tripods and monopods? Thank you and great video!
Francisco Cienfuegos thanks so much Francisco! Glad you enjoyed the video. We are using Vanguard tripods in this. You can actually use our discount code SLANTEDLENS to get 20% off anything on the VanguardWorld.com site!
Great comparison guys!
Definitely not surprised the S1 does a little better than the Sony, and do appreciate the warmer tones, slightly better dynamic range, stronger video capacity, better EVF and the like. I'd honestly like to get my hands on one to try it out.
But for the price body alone, the Sony is still a force to be reckoned with even a year later, and has a lot of great support both on brand and 3rd party because it's been at it longer.
People can lay all the specifics about how much better the S1 is compared to the A7III, and it's duly noted. But it's not a Sony killer, not even by a long shot. It's really stiff competition, yes, but it's not gonna get flocks dropping A7III's on ebay to grab this off the market.
Don Gutierrez thank you so much Don! Love hearing your thoughts!
You're right that it's not a Sony killer. the S1 is more of a DSLR killer targeted at die-hards that haven't gone mirrorless yet. There's a large part of the potential market that just doesn't like Sony bodies, and Panasonic is going after them.
Great post as always
Thank you! So which camera would you go for?
@@TheSlantedLens I am upgrading from Sony A6000 to A7Riii. For me it's always Sony.
I am finding that sensor, AF and most of the features, really are not the big factor when buying a camera now days. An image is an image and pretty much every camera takes great images now days, if you know what to do with it.
So my first thought when buying a camera is how the camera feels in the hand, how nice is the grip, am I going to get pissed off with the button placement.
I still could never own a Sony just because I hate the body of the A7 series cameras and for the kinds of photography I do, the advantages of the Sony really are not a huge factor.
I found a similar thing with the Nikon, I have owned Nikons fore nearly 20 years and when the Z6/7 came out, I didn't like the grip, it was too small for my hand. Conversely, whilst I am not a big fan of the Eos R, I found it a lovely camera to hold but I didn't want to spend thousands on lenses and the options currently available whilst exceptional optically, weigh a ton.
So currently my mirrorless camera of choice is the Fuji X-H1. It doesn't have the AF of the A7III or the X-T3 but it is nicer to hold. The lenses are not that expensive and I generally get amazing results. Though for studio work I still go back to the D800 because I much prefer the OVF.
Yep. That's pretty much how I feel. I just went with the S1 instead of a Fuji. I tried the Z7 (and was not impressed) at my local shop back in August, and then immediately walked over to the Sony counter with the full intention of buying one. But no combination of available extensions could make the Sony comfortable to hold. I would have been shooting with my knuckles digging into the bevel of every lens they sold. Eye-AF was not worth getting arthritis from bad ergonomics.
i actually waiting for the rolling shutter test between those!!
I loved buying at B&H but I'm not a US citizen I have to pay the taxes, so bad
I am a US citizen and I have to pay taxes. But if you are in California and illegal: housing, medical, stipends, food is FREE
I have the S1 for about 4 months now and I used to shoot videos with the A7iii. My thoughts: S1 is slower in AF while A7iii is so fast. S1 IBIS is better in a sense but its negligible and can be compared with the A7iii. S1 is huge and heavy as compared to the A7iii and flying on a gimbal can hurt your back. S1 does not have much lens choice as of now and adapting is the only way to go but with adapting lenses, you add more weight, reduce the optical quality and take away the AFC and you will only have AFS and take note that AF on the S1 is already weaker as compared to the A7iii. S1 has better video features like 4K60p internal, 10 bit 422 external, better dynamic range and all that jazz. A7iii is limited to 4k30p, 8 bit 420 internal, 8 bit 422 external but does the bit really matter for your kind of work? Maybe but most of the time, you will use your cameras for social media only. If you will use it professionally, S1 will be better but still, it does not shoot RAW. Bottomline is this, it does not matter anymore. As cheesy as it sounds, the camera that you use is the better camera. So what do you use? I currently use the BMPCC4K. I don't make much sense now. LOL
I owned EOS R, 5D IV and used A7III/A7RIII/A9 and I think it's the best camera I own especially with free battery and grip, free vlog, free 3 years warranty. It works with my EF-L lenses via MC-21 adapter. This camera isn't for everyone. If you prefer small size camera and best AF, there are better choice but its AF isn't as bad as people say. Happy shooting!
Travis thanks for your thoughts Travis!
Finally a fair comparison I use both cameras and on pro shoots I use the s1 and on my day off and vacation I use the a7iii. I know there’s a lot of die hard Sony fanatics here but let’s be real. Try the camera first for yourself. Yes it’s a heavy camera but it’s for professionals. It’s not for walking around taking pictures of flowers and street photography. Hands down the colors are way better on the s1 in my opinion. Sony will always have my heart but Panasonic definitely nailed it in terms of there first full frame camera. (Compared to Canon and Nikon) and yes it’s not $1,999.99 but it’s obvious why ( LCD, Viewfinder, weathersealed, 4K 60p, rugged body, better feeling in hand especially with bigger lens) and I’m a grown man so the weight doesn’t bother me at all. A small body and a huge lens just doesn’t feel right to me in hand. Might as well get a Fuji system if the weight is a huge deal breaker for you. All and all just go out and try it :)
Love that you use the Panasonic for professional shoots, and still use the Sony on vacation. That's a great visual/real life way to describe the difference. Both are still incredible machines, but you're absolutely right that the Panasonic comes out on top in many ways. So do you think that the Sony A7iii will eventually slip into that more casual/vacation narrative and more professionals will ditch the Sony to upgrade to the Panasonic?
The Slanted Lens The Slanted Lens I think it already have but not in a bad way. It’s more appealing to that more narrative, documentary, street, in a small package beast. I have the best of both world. I can pack my a7iii with my 55mm 1.8 and head out. I’m a huge Sony fan as well but I appreciate and respect the competition for stepping to the plate.
@@TheSlantedLens What kind of pros though? As a wedding pro it seems better to pack two small bodies and also be able to afford to buy them. Then for a 10 hour day, easier to carry around.
I have S1.. loved it..underrated...
Problems 1)lens price 2)Af system
I hope the next version will solve all this..
I would guess you will see a huge improvement in the next camera.
I love the s1 even more than s1r. I noticed the green in raw, but its easily fixed by tint adjustment because it appears globally. When sony I used to use got the tint all wrong, like muddy green or yellow, it was spotty, so it was a lot more time consuming to correct.
If it a very easy fix. It is an incredible camera and seems to be the only one that is not overheating lately.
DXOMark has a review already for the Panasonic S1 and the Sony was ahead barely. I'm assuming they probably use much better controlled testing. The Panasonic is most likely using the same sensor as the Sony, but the Sony will be releasing the Sony A7 IV R this year and that sensor will be old. I loved Panasonic for video, but kind of feel like they're late to the party and the pricing is too high for what they're offering.
Sony only just released the a73. They won't be releasing a a74 for a good few years, buddy
@@jockturner1547 If Sony sticks to their previous pattern for camera releases the Sony A7 IV R will release later this year.
@@jasonrogers1242 ah I see, I read your comment wrong as you placed the R in the wrong place, you mean the A7R 4, yeah they may release that this year, but seeing as the have yet to release the a7s 3 I have a feeling you may be waiting one more year
None of them, I went for the A9. I t has a much longer useful lifetime ;-)
Panasonic's version of A9 will end it's career soon ;-)
@@topg2820 Just keep on dreaming 😄
@@renestaempfli1071 no u 😄
Nice review guys ! Can we have model's IG ?
Tsosmits777 Tsakous of course! @darlinghaley
One other point on ergonomics: if you stick to f1.8 and f2 lenses, the Sony becomes small and well-balanced. It's only when you go to f1.4 lenses that the balance gets out of kilter. The key question is whether you really need that wider aperture. Personally, I find f1.8 just fine for background blur and the cost and weight savings are very significant.
Quick Intelligence great point!!
Great point. I always find hilarious when RUclipsrs use Sigma 105 1.4 or 70-200 2.8 with small camera with shallow grip. It's unbalanced. I tried it with my friends and prefer S1 for balance with heavy lenses.
I would say it’s time for the A7iii to get an update. Nice review guys and gal.
software or hardware? the a7iii is still pretty new. they haven't even released the a7siii yet
PT76251 thanks so much! What features would you like to see updated on the A7iii?
@@TheSlantedLens Would love to see improved grip ergonomics, higher resolution LCD and view finder, and a newer sensor and image processor to bump up the image quality to the next generation. Hopefully this year Sony will do so.
@@legendp2011 Its been a bit over a year now and the competition is better in several important areas. Its time for an update.
+PT76251 ..........I just want my a7siii (a7sii came out in 2015)
Panasonic aren't selling any units. It's a phenomenal camera (I'm an A7RIII shooter but a huge Lumix fan, and all things being equal I'd love an S1R) but they're too late to market with an expensive and limited system.
By the time there's a decent lens selection for the Lumix (probably in a year), Sony will be releasing the A74. They're a whole generation behind and haven't even managed to make a better overall product. That's a problem!
I'd be shocked if anyone is switching from Sony to any other system. Just doesn't make sense, especially now Sony have merged their imaging and smartphone departments. They're going to continue dominating the mirrorless market and Canon, Nikon and Panasonic are fighting over the crumbs at this point.
In 6 years I'd be astonished if all those systems are still around in this rapidly shrinking market.
Ah, see this is what we've been asking some others! Because even though the S1 is an incredible camera, could it ever convert people from Sony?! The name and reputation of Sony itself could make sure that Sony is always at the top, even when comparable products like the Panasonic are released. So you will continue to favor Sony, but would also use Panasonic. Would you use them for different purposes/in different settings?
There will be 22 new L-Mount lenses this year (only 4 of them Leica), and if you think that's not enough I don't know what you're smoking. Canon and Nikon would kill to get that many lenses out for their MILCs in the first year. Panasonic is releasing all but the most telephoto zooms, and Sigma is releasing all of its primes. That pretty fantastic.
I'm also not sure how you can say that Panasonic are behind in anything but advanced autofocus. The S1 is literally state of the art in every other respect. The viewfinder alone will attract buyers.
As for more than a handful of people switching from Sony to the S1... Not likely. But that's not who Panasonic is going after. The S-Series is aimed squarely at the huge majority of DSLR shooters who for whatever reason don't like what Sony/Canon/Nikon are selling. Canon and Nikon didn't step up with DSLR killers. So Panasonic has.
try that autofocus test in low light and the S1 will just fail miserably.
Also seems that you dont have AF Priority on the A7III, as it would only shoot when in focus.
Not being a fanboy. I have both the A7III and S1 and by far the sony is superior in AF.
'who's the girl? and what's she said? i didn't notice the camera at all...:)
Definetely AS7 III. Perfect eye-focus!
Good job. Perfect. … And Panasonic S1 vs Fujifilm X - T3? …..
I have both and love them both.
Nice. Sounds like you have a great set-up!
I thought they were both the same sensor ? so I am surprised to see a difference in dynamic range and ISO performance, Personally less weight is what I want. and the ultimate focusing, so I like the Sony, but I own the A7r lll, I have even given up using f1.4 glass, I love my 55 and 85 f1.8 and I have a 28f2, today I compared my f1.4 glass using an adapter and when I was done I felt like selling all my big glass. the slightly more blurred background isn't worth the extra size and weight, and the image quality of the Sony f1.8 glass is so good, I am waiting for a Sony 35 f1.8, even though my Sigma 35 that I adapt is really good. but it is also big and heavy. I also find that the Sony Camera can do double duty, it can be a studio camera, and also a walk around camera for street photography because of it's size and weight. so I don't need one camera for street and one for studio shoots. I also think that like Sigma with there 105 that is over sized and there new 40 that is crazy big, that Canon lost there mind with the size of there new glass, the 28/70 f2 zoom is the weight of a 70/200, I would never carry that weight to get f2. and Panasonic seems to have the same thinking.
We don't know yet who made the S1 sensor, but it doesn't have PDAF points on it. That's why the image is so noise-free compared to Sony, or the striping you get on a Nikon Z-series. It's also why the focusing isn't perfect. Tradeoffs.
No way. It's big and weighs like a feckin brick. My back would be stuffed lugging that bugger all day.
Then you're carrying it wrong. Put the strap over your shoulder and carry it like a shoulder bag. I get FAR less fatigue today carrying a D850 or S1 that way than I did carrying a tiny D50 around my neck when I was almost 15 years younger.
When you've suffered chronic sciatica then heavy cameras are a no go. The Sony mirrorless with lightweight primes, saved me from further suffering.
No chance there. Not even moobs!
The way I see it, Panasonic already offers a light weight option. They have an amazing selection of cameras and lenses in the MFT range of cameras that offer super small and light cameras and lenses with awesome image quality.
Why do they need to make another small and light system? So I think because of this, they decided to go the other way and offer the best, most professional, rugged camera that doesn't compromise on anything, which makes it big but well balanced. I am considering getting the S1 as I own their MFT cameras, which are amazing but have been getting into studio and portrait photography lately, and having a FF system seems to be the best way to go with that, where if I want to do more exploration, travel and long walking photography I have my light weight MFT system camera.
Love the snappy presentation, thanks.
I knew SL1 was going to be good based on the solid performance of the GH line.
I have Sony a7iii and am super happy with it. I feel blessed.
Great comparison video.
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Thank you!
A73 still the gold standard? 3 freakin years old?. It's Tellin others about something
Nah , its slightly over a year old
Not anymore
You from the future? The a73 only came out last year...
If the Panasonic S1 using Sony Sensor and not TowerJez sensor than the minor diferences mean nothing
I think that the noise differences are the flip side of Panasonic not using PDAF on their sensor. They went for image quality first, and it shows in how well they handle higher ISO levels.
How to carry Panasonic s1 ? ..It is too big..With 70/200 f/4..Lense.weight.2006 grams...
I have it, it's ergo's are fantastic! Yes it is heavish... but because it has really good balance, it is very comfortable. I have shot with it for hours and honestly, I don't find myself every complaining about the weight. It also makes me more steady as well.
I guess you haven't been around REAL pros lugging around pro cameras and lenses for the past 3 decades creating amazing pictures. Ansel Adams would poop on your head for such a dumb comment. Carry a purse instead of a camera.
Sling it over your shoulder like a bag. You should never carry a camera around your neck.
With determination...😉
Great review but the client wont see the difference between the S1 and the A7iii.
Thanks! Totally agree. They are both great cameras, so it all comes down to photographers preference.
Panasonic S1 Looks Sooooo Good!!!!! Great Video Guys!
It really does! Thanks so much! Glad you enjoyed it.
A sensor comparison between these two cameras is rather pointless since they're using the same damn sensor. All you're testing is noise reduction. Also if your goal with this review was to provide adequate consumer advice for the previously unfamiliar to make an educated decision on which camera to buy you've failed quite miserably. The main selling point of the A7III is not only class leading performance (that is matched our even exceeded by the S1) but the fact that it belongs to a mature system with an absolute enormity of options for third party lenses, adapters, vintage glass, accessories etc. The S1 might have an EF/L adapter available for it but it is one that prevents you from using continuous autofocus with FIRST PARTY lenses.
Panasonic is NOT using a Sony sensor, you've been asleep at the wheel.
Crustycumsock did you watch the video? Clearly different low light results, not noise reduction.
Even if they’re the same sensor, no on sensor PD will make them perform differently in low light (in Panasonic’s favor)
No PDAF means that the sensor is not the same. Sony may still be making it (who knows?), but it's not the same sensor as the one in the A7III.
Both cameras are very good. The differences are usually very small, although the Sony camera is much older.
The lens offer Sony is significantly better. In addition, the Panasonic S1 / S1R sells very badly. Unfortunately, it looks like a flop.
The Panasonic IS big and can be "too big"... The Sony used to be the best mirrorless FF around, but it is slowly becoming the best all around FF mirrorless, which isn't so bad of a title to keep... But the real keep[er is Haley. Thumbs up for her, and for your general views on these types of comparisons you both do. Well done to all.
Craig Pickles thank you so much Craig! Glad you enjoyed the video.
I think that is the fact that a lot of people don't trust and know panasonic as they do in Sony atm, but I think that Panasonic gets the Sony in this comparison ..Still both are great and its all depends on your personal budget and taste color wise...As you said Sony are bought more because they are TRENDING ...not because they are better! From my point of View ...Fuji XT3 is the best choice Today ...decent colors,fast enough ,u have decent third party lenses ...so I would pay 1.5 on glass instead of buying one of These 2!
I have to disagree, Canon was the king, and Sony took it to them and won. Sony is now the mirrorless standard and everyone compares a camera to the Sony. Good on Sony for shaking things up.
I have really gone over switching to mirrorless, but I can’t justify the move. It is expensive, and the advantages are small. As a amateur, I do think the DSLRs are still very good and can get just as good stills and video, it is not worth it unless you are a pro and can offset the cost, for your through put of work.
overdoseoflaught really appreciate your thoughts on this! You’re absolutely right that it comes down to preference.
comment below if you are seriously gonna sell your Sony & go for this Panasonic ??
Already sold my a7iii and riii with 4 G Master lenses to get the Panasonic. Couldn't be happier. Everybody shits on Panasonic but they haven't even tried the camera out. It is packed with so many features Sony doesn't offer that makes my shooting such a better experience.
nice nice - ya'll do the best comparisons
Noealz Photo thanks so much Noealz!
No it is not
I love both them,and i owns them both, and thank for making,sure my choise was,
everyone is very impressed with you and absolutely cannot wait to see what you do with these cameras you absolute chicken sausage
This reminds me of photographers talking about why they prefer Agfachrome, Fujichrome & Velvia, Kodak chromes and etc. All personal presence ! Using Sony Eye focus tech, their is no match to Sony. Not using the features allows bias of Panasonic fan boys. No mention of Panasonic lens selection
I've had the chance to play with Sony's autofocus in a Jason Lanier workshop, so I've seen what it can do in the hands of someone who knows how to use it. It really is impressive. But frankly, eye autofocus is only really necessary in certain use cases, such as weddings (Lanier's bread and butter). Frankly, I almost never use any modes other than single/9-point AFC/AFS for my work. So I mostly compare the AF performance of my S1 to my trusty D850's, where it's much faster in AFS for stills (but crap in AFC), and nearly perfect in AFC for video (versus completely unusable on the D850).
So... Good enough AF for indoor/street stills and video work, and it will very likely improve over time with updates. The ergonomics of the camera are all FAR superior to Sony (which I'd have if I could comfortably hold one), so not skinning my knuckles on a lens bevel trumps the AF issues for me. The rest of the lenses I need will all be here by summer, and there's many, many more due by the end of the year.
The real test though, which my GH5 never quite passed, was whether I'd gravitate to it and away from my D850's. Well, I have. The D850's only come out for wildlife/sports shoots now.
The Sony is clearly the better camera.. There is no contest nor arguable
Did you even watch the video?! Lol 😂
Especially when it comes to price.. Panasonic too expensive!
@@Ade5 Sony too uncomfortable to use! See, it's arguable. ;)
Looks like Sony stylized a bit in video department. Lumix looking more natural and more Canon type.
Good points. Thanks for sharing!
Sony AF performed better in photo and video according to Gerald Undone, especially in low light.
@Foto4Max I can confirm that. Fortunately, switching to manual-focus is as simple as pulling back the clutch ring on the camera. Not ideal, but very workable.
Hey guys. Enjoyed the comparison. A question for you. Photography gets a lot of criticism for being a boy's club that often treats women as little more than fleshy puppets. Why do you think this is?
Criticism from who? Old prunes, 40 year old virgins, and femanazis? Maybe you should ask the models what they think.
@@BlackZEddie I guess mostly people who want their daughters to grow up in a world of equal opportunities, equal pay, and where their aspirations that are not limited by outdated patriarchal values that value them by primarily their appearance. And yes, women are complicit in this system.
@@BlackZEddie Unfortunately, my daughters will not decide if they are entitled to equal pay, or equal opportunities, or to be judged by their knowledge and expertise rather than by their appearance. They don't get to decide - society does, and that's why I'd like to see society change. I want my daughters to have the same power and social privileges as men, whether it's to become a rocket scientist or to become a pornstar. I don't want to prohibit anyone's choices of what they want to do but rather create an even playing field, starting with shifting a visual culture that perpetuates the idea that women are nothing more than their appearance.
@@AndyDay such double standards. You want all those things for women, and the first thing you want to do is take away their choice. And, you don't seem to get it, depending on the field, like modeling, appearance is key.
Another thing you don't seem to get, or refuse to, is women are just as sexual, if not more, than men.
You're like one of those nutty bible-humpers at the beach telling everyone they're a bunch of sinners.
@@BlackZEddie How am I taking away anyone's choice? I'm completely happy for her to be a model, I'm happy for her to exploit her appearance, I'm more than happy for her to get paid for being attractive in front of a camera. I'm just suggesting that a photography channel has the potential to be more thoughtful in how it presents information.
A few questions for you: If you had a daughter, would you want her to be judged primarily on her appearance, or on her expertise and knowledge? Would you want society to give her fewer opportunities than men, and to pay her less than men for the same work?
Good test, both are great cameras.
You got that right! This might be the closest test we've ever done.
Hello, I still believe that SONY is the whole pack as a hybrid system. The advantages of the A7 III meaning a more than 1 year older than any competitor, shows that the system remains at the top at every point. When SONY launched this amazing camera they said "basic model", so a "basic model" takes the high end and flagship of every brand around and beats them at every test. The low light capability, battery life (nothing like this around and not a minor thing to test), AF that now has been updated and improved one year after by the new firmware, you can choose lenses of FF and APS-C line and shoot with both in the same body. The price is much lower than the rest what makes it the best at everypoint always taking the price point as an important matter. I go on repeating the same thing, SONY is so far away from its competitors that in five years of mastering MIRRORLESS and pushing other brands to change to this system, they haven´t launched anyting else waiting for the rest to show something new. And guess what?, they will do it again this year if they show what a SONY A7S III or A9R, or a new APS-C line as I expect to compete with the FUJI XT3, that would be game over for everyone. I hope the rest catch up, CANON is a disaster in mirrorless terms and costs. Nikon is trying but not even close, and Panasonic has done well as far I can see.
and still way cheaper, can even get it used.
Sony got rocked. The S1 is for reals!
i mean its a $500 more than the a7iii it better be better
@@DJsProductions - it's not just better, it's no comparison..seriously.
Stupid title. Who changes so easy between the systems if you have just bought a Sony?
a professional?
Not trying to be mean, but as a wedding photographer, thats 1-2 weddings?
And we are in wedding season so you got like 10-20 jobs over the summer, that should enable you to get the gear for the job ;)
This is the exact same comparison video I would have done if a Panasonic exec had a gun pointed at me.
Such a good comparation. I feel you guys are totally neutral when comparing diferent brands. Keep the good work.
ivan rivas thank you so much Ivan! Have any requests for another comparison or review?
I preferred a7iii+24 105 G - The panasonic it's enormous and heavy and even more expensive!
Thanks for sharing your preference!
All the (few) full frame Panasonic owners are really out of the dark after this video, LOL .....
I'm more than happy with my Sony!