One of my only complaints with the channel is that as it's gotten larger and more profitable, it seems like Cody's beginning to forget what the average working man takes home in terms of pay. His little quip about being "derelict in your duties" as a man because you can't afford a multi-thousand dollar backup power setup shows how far he's come from being an average working man. I don't begrudge his success; he's earned it. But the vast majority of us cannot afford this type of expense.
@@Lochlann13 There is a difference between cannot & will not. There is room in 90% of Americans budget to save a decent amount every paycheck & there are things 90% of Americans could do to earn extra money. If you have the dedication & commitment to do something you will get it done. But if you treat it like just a fun side thing or hobby then you aren't really trying. There are solutions to every problem, even if it means starting small & working your way up to the "proper" solution. Sitting around & complaining that you can't do it right now doesn't help the situation. Cody shows top of the line systems & salutations because he can afford it. But that doesn't mean to follow his advice or to solve your own problems you also need the same thing. There are other similar solutions for cheaper that might have some negatives you will just have to deal with.
Agreed. If its between bills or buying some expensive battery its gonna go towards bills... I wish these "prep" creators would keep in mind that the average joe doesnt have a battery company sponsoring them with a youtube channel that brings in thousands a month.
You mentioned down sides to both options, the down side to the solar generators will be initial expense and winter /weather limitations. To remedy that do both, that small honda generator is a good insurance for charging the solar generator if needed.
Ecoflow has the smart generator that runs on propane which is amazing to charge your deltra pro setup automatically , this is a no brainer for smell and shelf life vs gas.
@@ok2xit's more money than a Honda EU2200i. Granted it does have many nice features the Honda doesn't (electric start, DC fast charging, smart starting) But reliability isn't well known for the Ecoflow genset
@@semiccap no, no they do not. The Ecoflow Smart generator and the Honda EU2200i both make the same 1800W continuous output on gasoline. Any of the larger Honda's are even more expensive than the Ecoflow though.
I just spent 5 months living the camp lifestyle in my tool trailer while on a job in nw Montana, i used a goal zero 1000x and a honda 2000. it was the perfect combo. when needing light power loads the goal zero was perfect, when i needed higher amounts of power id start the honda , while it was running it would be charging the goal zero system.. HB
@@hillbill5448 Thanks for replying! That's good to know. I'm just now supplementing my Honda EU2200 (on propane) with a Bluetti ac200l. The idea being to use the genny during the day while charging up the Bluetti. Then bring in the genny in the evening & just use the Bluetti to watch TV until bedtime. Frig should run all night, then have coffee in the morning before having to drag out the genny again. That's the plan anyway.
Ask anyone who has lived off-grid with solar panels, batteries and inverters for an extended period of time and you'll discover that a backup gas or diesel generator is also part of their solution. If someone was forced to use only one, dinosaur juice is still the best option, but nobody has to choose one or the other...you can and should use both, if you can afford it.
@@GoingOffGrid101 - That's your choice, and I would never presume to make a choice for anyone, but you would 100% be without power, at times, if you didn't have a fossil-fuel generator to back up your solar. You clearly haven't actually done it, so you don't know. If you had done it, that is not the answer you would give.
Gas isn't dinosaur juice. Petrol products come from biomass (i.e. trees, grasses, etc) made at the time when Dinosaurs were around. There is nothing about a dinosaur that is a part of gasoline. We need to stop this myth.
While I agree with all the points presented having the backup of the gas generator to keep a battery bank topped up is never a bad idea. I have an electrician scheduled for next month to come install my generator inlet and I couldn't be more excited!
Been using EcoFlo products for almost two years now. I work in off grid situations. Always had to rely on generators to run power tools. I'd spend $2500-3000 a year on fuel for the gas generator I was using. Granted I spent a good slice of change in my EcoFlo set up, the Delta Pro, three additional smart batteries, the smart gasoline generator, and four solar panels. I've saved nearly $6000 in fuel expenses since my purchases, or roughly 30% of the initial purchase price. The smart generator does come on occasionally but not often. Last year I spent well under a $100 in fuel to generate power, basically nothing. I'm planning to put a similar set up in my home and taking my house off line. Like Cody said with the addition of Starlink, which I also have, working on off grid sights in BF nowhere, I can easily communicate with people. If I need to order something or communicate with a client, I don't have to drive to get to a phone or be in cell service. So I'm not only saving fuel I'm also saving time, and making more money.
@@vhateverlie, the smart generator has been just fine no issues, but I have an almost 15kwh system and 1600w of solar, the generator barely ever runs. So if there's been any issues I haven't experienced them. If I was going to hazard a guess there's under 200 hrs on it. I only wish they would of had the dual fuel on the market when I purchased mine. I use premium grade fuel, and I put stabilizer in it. Hope that answers your question.
@@LandFather, No problem, happy to reply. The short answer, long running times. Like I said I work in the middle of bf nowhere, building or renovating people's off grid plan B vacation homes, or they're leaving the city all together. The generator I replaced with the EcoFlow set up was a Honda EU7000, as a generator goes it was an absolute mizer on fuel for a unit it's size. But still used no less than 5 US gallons a day, 5 days a week on average. During an approximate 26 week building season. I'm in central B.C. Canada, the price of premium grade fuel is $5.20 US per gallon. So that's where the $2500-3000 US a year comes in. In Canadian dollars it's closer to 4 grand.
You can build a solar generator for half as much money as buying one. Or double the capacity for the same money. Might not look as pretty but way more reliable
Wranglestar you picked the right solar Generator, top notch in every way. I have the Ecoflow Mini that runs my chest freezer. Its solid as a rock, no glitches, or flaws does what its supposed to.
To start small scale I would consider getting the solar powered lights for your house. For heat I have gas logs which do not rely on electricity. I have a tank that will last 2 years. I would start with lights and a gas heater ( you can get propane tank with burner and a gas or charcoal grill. ) having multiple sources is always a good idea
If you're really about that life, anyone can get a small wood stove (with chimney obv) and an axe. Unless you live in the desert or sit in a wheel chair it's a pretty fail safe, affordable backup heating/cooking setup.
Diesel heater would be better. Not everyone is around logs or can do that. But even someone with a balcony can pull off a little diesel heater. Where 1 gallon will go for 2 days pretty much on full blast
One thing I use for a backup generator is a welder that also produces 120 and 240 power.10 kw Miller Trail Boss 302 Runs my well water heater and Heat Pump plus lights and appliances . I also use Solar Generator.
Same here I have a 10k watt bobcat welder/generater that runs my house like normal. Cost about 200$ a week in fuel but I have full power with well water and ac while other only have a few outlets going. Had a big ice storm years ago and ran ir for 7 days. Awesome to have
Dang. I'd love one, and tried to price a goodbused one about a year ago, and was blown away at how expensive. I mean I get it. They're tanks. But I truly wish I could afford one. Actually, I'd really like to find a solid steam engine. Lol
Good info as always - I'll stick with my 8500 watt inverter generator. I've wired my house very similarly , I can power up anytime. I agree about the noise, however visibility is also an issue - like a light or television. I learned this one night when the power failed and I fired up my older generator and older switch panel. The whole area was dark except my home which was lit up like a roman candle and everyone could see.... OK - learning experience - discretion... There's no need to fire up exterior lights or leave blinds open. The noise was not noticable at about 50 yards, the light was very "loud". Cool that I could do a trial run without having a major emergency. Thanks dude!
i got a 3000 watt inverter generator and a 1500 watt solar battery. i can just run the generator for a couple hours to charge the solar battery for the rest of the day. It's nice to have both. I mostly just use it for a fridge and a freezer
I pulled the trigger on a Delta Pro with the transfer switch and 400W solar panel after watching this video. I’ve been wanting a generator like this for a while now but I didn’t know what to get and it was all a bit overwhelming when researching it. Watching this it all made sense. Thanks Wranglerstar thanks ProHo. Thank you Sir.
My only issue is that I had an EcoFlow go bad on me within a few months of purchase. The simple mechanical nature of a gas powered generator versus hoping the electronics on the EcoFlow don’t fail is something to consider. I appreciate your feedback here. It’s just good to have a reliable contingency.
My 10 month old EcoFlo delta pro caught on fire while I was traveling Europe. My friend checked on my house and saw the smoke. He was able to shut the device down. Ecoflo did replace the device after a 2 1/2 month wait. Now I’m afraid to use it.
Keeping both makes the most sense for emergencies. The problem with the Solar generators is the most Electronics become obsolete over a few years. I think about all the money I spent on expensive stereo systems, speakers, computers etc over the years that now are in the garbage or in my attic. My 18 year old gas Honda generator still does as good a job as a new one.
They are still functional, just because you are stupid and you throw away in the attic doesn't mean anyone should do that. My 15 year old computer runs amazing, all you need is an SSD. If you try to make them work they will work, and even if you don't, they are still functional .
@@rebellucy6200 Well, actually, 1970’s vintage stereo electronics, and speakers and turntables are very much in demand and are fetching 4 times their original price. Like $1,000 for a 1975 Marantz receiver, and $3,000 for a set of Klipsch LaScalla speakers (at 100 pounds each). This 50-yr-old equipment is easily repairable, unlike todays disposable junk electronics.
Pay attention to battery chemistry, lithium ion is lighter BUT it starts dropping capacity fairly quickly (80% after 500 charge cycles kind of quick) and is know for overheating and catching fire if damaged LiFePO4 or lithium iron phosphate is heavier BUT hits 80% capacity after 3000+ cycles and is way less likely to catch fire. This is a key thing to remember when choosing your system. I have one and as an extra layer of backup I have a good small, quiet gas generator because sometimes you don't have enough sunny days for a system like this to charge.
This is the reason I returned my EcoFlow...hated to think it was dying a little every time I use it. Swapped for the slightly more affordable Pecron. Less fancy, but has the right battery chemistry.
@@christianb1176 ecoflow uses lifpo4 and (other than being a bit expensive) is a solid choice. Jackery uses the shorter life lithium ion for nearly the same price. There are a million of these "solar generators" so a little research is required.
@LoneWolf0648 yeah, I think you're right. The Delta max 2s have the newer battery I think. I had purchased the Delta Max, which was still the older battery type.
@@marcopolo1134 everything he gets is for free or at a discount which is fine, more power to him I guess. Amazon is the worst though and it's like 80 percent of his content are friggin thinly disguised infomercials
A car engine can be a big quiet generator. Attach a large inverter and you can power appliances, battery stations etc. Also, a three fuel carburetor on the Honda can sip propane from a large tank and charge the power stations for months.
Be sure part of the power is used to put a fan on the front of a car, and open the hood. Cars are NOT made to run sitting still and doing so will rapidly overheat all kinds of small things in the engine bay, which any car made in the last 40 years is all the plastic under there. Also the car might be quiet, but the car's fans will get quiet loud inside the engine bay. Plan accordingly.
Yep. I have a plugin Prius, and I've built a permanent 12V connection (Anderson plug) in the trunk. I have a 500W true sine wave inverter, which is enough to keep the fridge and freezer running, and to charge phones, run a couple of LED bulbs etc. Good for emergency use. If the car's traction battery is full, it can keep this up for a couple of hours. When the battery nears empty, the car will start the petrol engine, and charge the battery back up to a certain point, then switch off again until the battery is drained again. On a full tank of petrol it should be able to keep this up for a week or longer. I live in the Netherlands though, and we have excellent electrical infrastructure. In the last half century I have never had a power outage that lasted longer than one hour. Still, I like to be prepared.
Great vid Cody. Having lived through hurricane Ida in New Orleans in 2021, this is definitely a must have. Our biggest challenge was getting access to fuel for the week after the storm. But what we had plenty of was sunshine.
I do suggest getting a faraday cage for them to prevent outside intrusion into the system via blue tooth. 400 Watt panel will take ages to charge them up. Also, you will need a gas generator for back-up, because in some areas, a good part of the year is covered with clouds. I suggest people just invest in their smaller solar generator as it's more portable, but provide enough power to sustain your family's emergency needs for a few days, and from there get the larger system. Larger system requires more than one 400W panels, you will need maybe 6-10 of them panels and a good chunk of clear land to catch solar rays. In total will cost you at at least 20K to supply all your everyday luxuries. Well worth it if you can afford it.
I run a tiny house/small cabin with all solar...didn't cost 20k. Bluetti AC200 Max and B300 battery cost 3k plus 1.1kw PV is 2x 550w panels at $200 each. I run air conditioning 24/7 and fridge, freezer, lights, cooking with Instant Pot and now with the B300 battery never seem to go below 80%. Mind you all this stuff is cheaper here in Thailand and I see horrendous prices for these panels and generators in US. For example, my panels are 3x cost there.
6 to 10 panels is not realistic, it would blow your controller. I ran my Bluetti AC200 Max on 3x400W panels before switching to 2x550w panels in series. 1.1 or 1.2 kW of panels gets my full 920W input most of the day. It's overpanelling but you don't need to go overboard as I show @ ebikecnx7239
@@ebikecnx7239 Its realistic if you build your own system with a battery rack. These smaller system are great for emergency but for true offgrid, the more battery the better, because there will be days or even weeks where there is no sun. 6-10 will cover my residency based on my 7kwh daily needs, 6-10 i don't think is enough, but it's the minimum. But for emergency use, smaller system might sustain you for a day without food spoiling.
@@ebikecnx7239 That's impressive. Yeah it's expensive here, but I was calculating for a system that uses 7kwh/14kwh on average. But I'll have to look into a smaller set-up like yours for emergency, prices on these things have gone down and technology is improving, so it should be more affordable.
Mitht Be Nithe! I have a loud generator that runs my whole house... but the sound is why I'm investing in parts to build out a solar system. Mostly just need the battery storage now (most expensive part, really).
Forget the miniature transfer switches. The best way is if you can, Put a 30 amp breaker (or the max of your generator will allow) in your main house panel. Put it near the main. Install a steel mechanical interlock that ties the main breaker/generator breaker together mechanically, NOT electrically. Shut of the main breaker and it allows the generator breaker to be turned on. Both can't be turned on at the same time. Simply shut off all of the branch circuit breakers in your home, then turn back on those that you feel are critical loads. ALL of your LED lights can be turned on. You only use a room or two at a time and LED bulbs draw next to nothing from your generator.
This escalated quickly. I found this channel looking for a front door install video, now I’m installing back up generators 😂🤷🏼♂️. Front door works like a charm.
i have the eco flow river pro and the external battery at 1440W along with the solar panels extremely nice for quick nimble system in grid down scenario. the delta paro is definitely the way to go for a "base camp" type scenario.
Portable and easy to install, yes, totally agree. Cost effective and best option for off-grid? Not at all, not by a long shot. Two points I'd like to make. Compared to a solid Inverter and LiFeP04 battery system with transfer switch and essentials DB, you're in for close to 50% more cost for the EcoFlow. Something also to remember is ease of repair. With the EcoFlow you're locked into a high-tec all in one system with a single vendor ecosystem and extremely difficult repair or replace options, especially if you''re away from a city or authorized repair centre.
Going from making a custom off-grid system to prepackaged all-in-1 proprietary setups only happens when you have little time in your hands and money to spare. It’s a luxury that comes with its own disadvantages.
That’s definitely the way to go. So as long as you don’t need to be able to more easily move it around if that’s needed. But to have it where if needed you can replace single items of the system is definitely the better option.
@AquaTech225 You could even mount your inverter and battery pack on a plyboard backing attacheck to a wheeled trolley. Not the prettiest setup but would give you the option to take it with somewhere if you have an suv/hatchback.
i would like to see ecoflow do a class on repairing these units. I think that needs to be on your cons list about them they would be way harder to fix than a gas generator.
@@ex8280especially if you are using the eco flow panels. Invest in a couple few quality panels. That can charge batteries even when cloudy. It’s been cloudy where we are for almost a week. Our batteries are still charging to about 90% ish daily.
Ya gotta keep dreaming. They’re not going to share repairing. Sure some have the skill and knowledge to. But their not going to just pass that on to everyone an cut into their funds
I recently picked up an Ecoflow Delta, with a 200w solar panel. Works absolutely great for doing work in remote locations where AC Power isn't available. I can run many types of power tools, and charge my Milwaukee M18 Tool batteries too.
You need both. We've been off grid for 2 years, last November (2022) we had 15 days of cloud in a row a fully functioning house can only go 3 days without good sun on the panels.
Not sure if there’s anything like this in the U.S but here in Australia there is a big push to get people into solar systems for their homes, you can get grants that cover some of the purchase. Additionally you can choose to feed excess power into the grid and the energy companies will pay you for it
they have solar systems like that here... BUT on many of the grid tie systems _(at least the one's they have here US)_ they will Not work if they are disconnected from the grid. OR if the grid power is down. And these are the only systems that I know of that have any type of government funding, rebates, tax breaks, etc.
@@AkornzStashI agree. I have solar. Doesn’t work if grid is down. You’re only back feeding the grid. But it has saved me a lot of money. Haven’t been though a winter yet.
especialy where he lives. having 3hrs of daylight half the year and cloudy isn't the best. with that said he's also not showing the entire cost because you also have to have thousands in solar equipment. he
When we get Solid State Batteries this is going to get very interesting. 2-6 times more energy per kg, faster charge and discharge, much better temperature handling, longer cycle life on the cells and a lot less heat loss. We live in interesting times when it comes to portable energy.
Solid State batteries are here see RUclipsr The Outsider episode :- Kitchen Build & First Supper in the Cabin! / Ep108 / Outsider Cabin Build. Sorry youtube does not allow URL links in comments and I never use other peoples URL links anyway - too risky. Also see Yoshino B4000 SST Review: A Solid State Power Station That Shines with New Battery Technology ( no 240VAC output yet)
Have both of them. Solar generator for when the sun is shining. It's nice and quiet, saves your fuel supplies. When it's night time or cloudy, use your gas generator to run your loads and top off the solar generator battery.
The unit I have been looking into is the zero point Titan. The stackable battery system and the ability to use any vatteries that are are in the 24 V range means it has a ton of versatility.
Still about double or more than options that are much closer to this than your old van setup. I say 75% of the form factor and portability for 40%, the price and 100% rebuildable.
Curious to know the honest experience of staying a week in that canvas tent with one of those ecoflow batteries and the solar panel during the dead of winter with about 2’ of snow on the ground just like our forefathers would have had to endure and reporting on how it performed keeping you connected, looking forward to the video in the coming months!!!
Great idea. However, the only thing Winter would have to do with the situation is keeping the batteries above freezing because they get damaged if charged below freezing. Cody would be heating with wood and I can't imagine he would use more power than the sun would provide. Even in winter.
@@keithbrookshire true but there’s going to be less daylight hours and I’m sure fewer clear blue sky days. And we would need to know if it could self sustain for a week without plugging into the grid or running a gas powered generator to recharge. Also don’t forget the Starlink goes into ice melt mode when there’s snow and/or ice present which consumes considerably more electricity. Oh and now he’ll be adding a refrigerator to the electrical load.
It would be interesting to see how well those charge for you in the cold winter this year and how quick it charges. I love solar I wouldn't really call it a generator but guess it could be kind of considered that since it has all of the inverter parts etc built into it. At the very least I would suggest people having any type of 3-400w solar panel and a way to charge 12volt batteries with it and then have even a cheap inverter from 12v to 120v just in case. Most of these panels can support charging usb c as well and can be had with a little inverter from 12v to 120v for less than $200 well worth having. Then you can pop in a few batteries and have at least a bit of a supply.
Great idea well explained, but the cost is way too high. There are cheaper options. Definitely not cost-effective or can be justified for family on a budget. Thanks for the info and God bless.
I’d trust a Honda generator over an Ecoflow in any possible scenarios. I’d personally have both because while they both provide power they both have big pros and cons to them.
I agree. I have a cabin in the mountains. If you rely on an EcoFlow and its snowing for 2 or 3 days, you wont be able to charge the EcoFlow. I have a Generac gas generator and it can run anything to include charging the EcoFlow. Yes, fuel can be a problem too; so you have to know how to keep ethanol free gasoline viable. Not all ethanol free fuel is really ethanol free.
I don’t think this is necessarily an affordable option relative to options with server rack batteries and such. The DIY route is more affordable, and offers more customization, and upgrading as needed. There is a learning curve, but there are many resources on RUclips. This is an area I would love you to explore! Seems more Proho to me…
Correct, with a bit more effort you can build your own system with more power capability for much less but Wranglerstar has to promote these products or his free product supply will cease.
I have this same setup, bought it a little over a year ago. Used it for mig welding already, system works good. I also have the smart generator to go with it
I found your gonna need both cause some days those 400 watt panels will be like 50 watt panels and then I use the generator to run the rv, and charge the solar generator. Then run the solar generator
South central Louisiana resident here (born and raised). Natural disaster = petroleum based generator Camping = ecoflow I’ve lived through many long term power outages, floods, absolutely devastating hurricanes and solar panel won’t cut it. To make the panels work, you have to spend $6000. The batteries are great for camping. I use ecoflow. But when you need 7-10 days of power and may not have great sunlight…a small generator and an external fuel cell has gotten us through every time. Also if your battery stops working…good luck fixing it. Getting a generator to limp along on spare parts harvested from other small engines works. Also that little Honda generator can be chained with another one to make 240V. I know because I have two of them.
It’s best to have more than one option! And their are many generators that run on more than one type of fuel! Solar is great until you need power and you can’t get because it is dark outside. They all have pros and cons to everything that is why I always fallow the creed two is one and one is none. Kinda unsafe to rely on one source of energy in a emergency situation!
Good tip about a generator and noise during a situation. Another tip is if you've got food be aware of smells when cooking it and disposal of trash that looks like it pertained to food. Starving people are at the end of their rope and have nothing to lose.
Having a battery system also allows you better surge capacity than a generator. I still use a generator when I need to charge it quickly and a 3500 watt inverter generator can charge it quickly and minimize noise. You choose when to make noise.
I’ve got a similar system not as large. The weather definitely controls the solar ability and during cloudy weather it’s almost zero. Still makes total sense
Batteries have a lifespan, whether you use them or not...but if someone like the idea of the solar generators, they could build their own for pennies on the dollar. 12V 100Ah deep cycle battery, 600W Pure Sine Wave inverter, 100W 18V panel with a charge controller(MPPT if you can afford it, PWM otherwise). Build a box for the electronics and a frame to stand the panel up at the proper sun angle.
This. If you need something that's stationary off-grid, DIY is the way to go. So easy to do and you can use higher quality components, and superior battery capacity. For campers though, it's better to go with a system
You are splitting hairs. One depends on the supply chain for fuel the other sunlight. This is not an eco rant in any way. But who would you rather rely on?
@@polygon2744 It's not splitting hairs, it's precision of language vs allowing marketing companies to redefine words. The 'generator' is the solar array not the battery. The battery is just a battery, and I'd only rely on both or have to hope for the best on either individually.
@@bobcaygeon4533 meh. Paranoid to those who’ve never had to fight for their lives, prepared for those who have. I like to be prepared. And I like being taught by someone who makes it interesting.
@bobcaygeon4533 the government could turn against us?? Preposterous! Governments have never turned on their people and societies have never collapsed! Alright liberal.
My biggest fear on any battery solution is that when China shuts off access to rare earth there’s no replacements when these batteries go dead. That includes the solar panels.
You can repair anything you put your mind to. You can replace with different batteries as long as they're compatible. As for the right to repair problem... there's no way around that when SHTF. if you can't repair your own device, don't own it. For example an iPhone 13. I cannot repair a screen nor battery on that phone, if I were to, you'd get an annoying 24x7 notification for non genuine battery. Whereas most android phone, there's no such thing. John Deere and many other companies are in this "right to repair" battle. You don't own most of the stuff you think you possess. Back to the old days and pre processors. Simpler the better.
Glad you did this video . Today gas is 5-7 dollars a gallon. The generators are more maintenance to keep going. A solar producing generators has promise.
you can build this cody for MUCH, much cheaper and fit it all on a dolly with an all in one unit above a battery, like the eg4. Thousands of watts, will accept even more amps (more solar panels) than the ecoflow all for literally half or close to half the cost per watt you'll get here. Very little wiring.
@@Tobbebohman my friend Sharon just did this with her creek. She also has a new solar system that she's putting in and she also has power station that she charges with solar and a gas generator.
Wow, great timing. We will be building our house in the county in the spring & didn't want to bring power lines in but the expense of traditional solar panels made that our only option .... until now.
I over panel. Will Prost said use a 3s2p wiring for EcoFlow DP. My panels under 50v each/ 2 strings of 3 so voltage stays under 150v . Very important- the amps and watts will be regulated but don’t over voltage. I have 2 arrays of 3 panels and there is about 25 ft between the arrays. I have some tree shade and after 2 pm the far array gets a clear blast - but the other has a shadow. Each string collects for itself but a shadow on a pv in the loop decreases all panels production (in only that loop)
I'm very interested to see how this type of system holds up over time. What can/will break, if it can be repaired, etc. It sounds promising at this point!
Hello wranglerstar, been watching your videos for years and have always loved and been inspired by your content (you got me into the forest)! What I was wonder was what you were doing for the moisture from the ground on your cabin? i noticed you didnt put a moisture barrier and was curious if that was important in a situation like your wall tent?
I use both systems . The EcoFlow system all of the time with or without solar system as solar is overrated. Then I use the generator 1.5 -2 hours to regenerate the power to the EcoFlow system. I would add on thing to your idea: place an EMP blanket over the electric generator when not in use. Your Bluetooth phone may not work. Also the EcoFlow Alternator Generator is not fuel affective to charge the electric generator. With the price of $600 you can run your small Honda for a very very long time. Keep up your great work.
Great video. As nomad work becomes more convenient running a business and attending trade shows this is just what I needed to take my team on the road to work with me and attend conferences. Thanks very insightful!
I definitely think the solar generator choice is the most appealing, but the problem in the long term is the batteries. You can repair a gas generator. You're not going to repair a battery. So, if you can have both great, but if can only have 1 the gas generator is going to be best.
Ihave used a solar gen for 6 years now as a backup to local outages instead of using my pto gen, its quick and we have the essentials for short term or long term as we have 3 -1200 watt gens and the solar capacity of 460 watts. Very nice an ecoflow is part of that equation.
Back in 2016, I went to California to trim weed. The house ran on propane for the water and the fridge. We had 3 generators for electricity. They were sooooo loud. We would turn them off at night and sit on the porch in the dark. This solar generator looks amazing and I want one! My dream is to plop a fully sustainable modular tiny home onto a small parcel in upcountry Maui. With the cost of gas, no thank you. I don't drive, so buying gas is foreign to me! With the state of the world today, I don't want to be in the city when it burns! I'll be in my self sustainable home looking at my view of the pacific ocean!😊
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The one thing bad with these all in one units is that if something fails it's useless. A regular solar setup if there is a problem you can just change the part that broken.
Ill be getting both, during the winter you can turn on the generator once in a while to charge up the batteries if youre not getting enough power also EcoFlow also has a 5% off for military or i believe on top of any savings using a code for is.
For my cabin/home I need and use both. We have months of little light in alaska and straight solar is not a solution in itself. Gas has limitations of its own making it really imperative to maintain both
I have EcoFlow DP and just recently got the propane smart genny unit from same company . Home Depot no sales tax vet discount I paid 1053. Cheapest around for me. Fills back up the DP battery and has great features. Only suk is the 15 ft cord between the units . But I love the delta pro and I run a full fridge and freezer all day everyday off of sun . 6x350 pv 3s2p keeps under 150v . I love EcoFlow and the 12v options 360/120/36 watt connections. Sorry y’all just 2cents and agree with video thoughts on quiet time
I just got a F3800 that lets me power 240v appliances and water pumps. The nice thing is that can handle my needs for a long while, and if I ever had to, I can charge it up with a smaller gas generator too. Giving me a hybrid power supply, that most of the time will just be solar powered.
We've got the Jackery 2000 plus ans love it. I dont even usey inverter generator anymore. Oh, also, Jackery's customer service is the best ive ever seen. Side note: I've dropped a 2*4 on it from 10ft up and no cracks in the case, and the electronics are fine. Highly recommend.
Hell yeah, brother! Solar + Battery = Coming Struggle Power Solution. You want to go to Gas Town to refill when its Mad Max times? EV vehicles also work as a great battery backup. Most are 70Kwh+ battery capacity
Thank you for this video. I have been going back and forth with gas power and solar power generators. Although my bank is not that large. I am not one to do maintenance and gas generators scare me. I will probably suffer from CO. However, the pros and cons is very helpful. I wanted a Generac, but way too expensive. I purchased the Delta Pro.
The smart backup duel fuel generator is a nice option for this setup. will help conserve fuel and time with the auto start-stop and ability to use it separately from the Delta's. Add the Wave2 for some creature comfort and it's a solid system. The only thing that would make it better, is to add the ability to daisy chain the extra battery. I have already emailed them and provided the idea, and to offer the same expandability as competitors.
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I live vicariously through this channel. That's about the extent to which I can afford to be prepared.
Ya, that’s two months worth of pay sitting there…
One of my only complaints with the channel is that as it's gotten larger and more profitable, it seems like Cody's beginning to forget what the average working man takes home in terms of pay. His little quip about being "derelict in your duties" as a man because you can't afford a multi-thousand dollar backup power setup shows how far he's come from being an average working man.
I don't begrudge his success; he's earned it. But the vast majority of us cannot afford this type of expense.
Same 😂
@@Lochlann13 There is a difference between cannot & will not. There is room in 90% of Americans budget to save a decent amount every paycheck & there are things 90% of Americans could do to earn extra money.
If you have the dedication & commitment to do something you will get it done. But if you treat it like just a fun side thing or hobby then you aren't really trying.
There are solutions to every problem, even if it means starting small & working your way up to the "proper" solution. Sitting around & complaining that you can't do it right now doesn't help the situation.
Cody shows top of the line systems & salutations because he can afford it. But that doesn't mean to follow his advice or to solve your own problems you also need the same thing. There are other similar solutions for cheaper that might have some negatives you will just have to deal with.
Agreed. If its between bills or buying some expensive battery its gonna go towards bills... I wish these "prep" creators would keep in mind that the average joe doesnt have a battery company sponsoring them with a youtube channel that brings in thousands a month.
You mentioned down sides to both options, the down side to the solar generators will be initial expense and winter /weather limitations. To remedy that do both, that small honda generator is a good insurance for charging the solar generator if needed.
Ecoflow has the smart generator that runs on propane which is amazing to charge your deltra pro setup automatically , this is a no brainer for smell and shelf life vs gas.
@@ok2xit's more money than a Honda EU2200i. Granted it does have many nice features the Honda doesn't (electric start, DC fast charging, smart starting) But reliability isn't well known for the Ecoflow genset
@@vhateverlieThe ecoflow has more power than a 2200. try maybe a 3000 or larger for pricing.
@@semiccap no, no they do not. The Ecoflow Smart generator and the Honda EU2200i both make the same 1800W continuous output on gasoline. Any of the larger Honda's are even more expensive than the Ecoflow though.
the generators are have yamaha engines if i remember right @@vhateverlie
When life gives you options always choose both
Especially when it comes to women LOL
One is none and two is one !!!
Yeah I see those panels and they are never gonna charge it. Charge it from that generator.
Love this!
@@Zorlig it’s a multi day afair. You should be using the least amount of power as possible
I just spent 5 months living the camp lifestyle in my tool trailer while on a job in nw Montana, i used a goal zero 1000x and a honda 2000. it was the perfect combo. when needing light power loads the goal zero was perfect, when i needed higher amounts of power id start the honda , while it was running it would be charging the goal zero system.. HB
Good comment. Does the Honda generator struggle at all to charge the Goal Zero while running other things?
@@Golgafrinchamdent . not at all, matter a fact, if its just charging the goal zero it runs at an idle... HB
@@hillbill5448 Thanks for replying! That's good to know. I'm just now supplementing my Honda EU2200 (on propane) with a Bluetti ac200l. The idea being to use the genny during the day while charging up the Bluetti. Then bring in the genny in the evening & just use the Bluetti to watch TV until bedtime. Frig should run all night, then have coffee in the morning before having to drag out the genny again. That's the plan anyway.
Ask anyone who has lived off-grid with solar panels, batteries and inverters for an extended period of time and you'll discover that a backup gas or diesel generator is also part of their solution. If someone was forced to use only one, dinosaur juice is still the best option, but nobody has to choose one or the other...you can and should use both, if you can afford it.
Exactly what i do! Full EcoFlow with a backup small Honda
if I could only have one it would 100% be solar.
@@GoingOffGrid101 - That's your choice, and I would never presume to make a choice for anyone, but you would 100% be without power, at times, if you didn't have a fossil-fuel generator to back up your solar. You clearly haven't actually done it, so you don't know. If you had done it, that is not the answer you would give.
@jasonbroom7147 I just mean if I could only have one to live off of lol the gas would cost so much 😅
Gas isn't dinosaur juice. Petrol products come from biomass (i.e. trees, grasses, etc) made at the time when Dinosaurs were around. There is nothing about a dinosaur that is a part of gasoline. We need to stop this myth.
While I agree with all the points presented having the backup of the gas generator to keep a battery bank topped up is never a bad idea. I have an electrician scheduled for next month to come install my generator inlet and I couldn't be more excited!
Propane has a longer shelf life
Been using EcoFlo products for almost two years now. I work in off grid situations. Always had to rely on generators to run power tools. I'd spend $2500-3000 a year on fuel for the gas generator I was using. Granted I spent a good slice of change in my EcoFlo set up, the Delta Pro, three additional smart batteries, the smart gasoline generator, and four solar panels. I've saved nearly $6000 in fuel expenses since my purchases, or roughly 30% of the initial purchase price. The smart generator does come on occasionally but not often. Last year I spent well under a $100 in fuel to generate power, basically nothing. I'm planning to put a similar set up in my home and taking my house off line.
Like Cody said with the addition of Starlink, which I also have, working on off grid sights in BF nowhere, I can easily communicate with people. If I need to order something or communicate with a client, I don't have to drive to get to a phone or be in cell service. So I'm not only saving fuel I'm also saving time, and making more money.
How the Ecoflow generator long term reliability been?
@@vhateverlie, the smart generator has been just fine no issues, but I have an almost 15kwh system and 1600w of solar, the generator barely ever runs. So if there's been any issues I haven't experienced them. If I was going to hazard a guess there's under 200 hrs on it. I only wish they would of had the dual fuel on the market when I purchased mine. I use premium grade fuel, and I put stabilizer in it.
Hope that answers your question.
$2,500 worth of fuel in a generator is a lot of runtime or a big generator, what are you powering if you don’t mind sharing
@@LandFather, No problem, happy to reply.
The short answer, long running times.
Like I said I work in the middle of bf nowhere, building or renovating people's off grid plan B vacation homes, or they're leaving the city all together.
The generator I replaced with the EcoFlow set up was a Honda EU7000, as a generator goes it was an absolute mizer on fuel for a unit it's size. But still used no less than 5 US gallons a day, 5 days a week on average. During an approximate 26 week building season. I'm in central B.C. Canada, the price of premium grade fuel is $5.20 US per gallon. So that's where the $2500-3000 US a year comes in. In Canadian dollars it's closer to 4 grand.
You can build a solar generator for half as much money as buying one. Or double the capacity for the same money. Might not look as pretty but way more reliable
Wranglestar you picked the right solar Generator, top notch in every way. I have the Ecoflow Mini that runs my chest freezer. Its solid as a rock, no glitches, or flaws does what its supposed to.
To start small scale I would consider getting the solar powered lights for your house. For heat I have gas logs which do not rely on electricity. I have a tank that will last 2 years. I would start with lights and a gas heater ( you can get propane tank with burner and a gas or charcoal grill. ) having multiple sources is always a good idea
If you're really about that life, anyone can get a small wood stove (with chimney obv) and an axe. Unless you live in the desert or sit in a wheel chair it's a pretty fail safe, affordable backup heating/cooking setup.
Diesel heater would be better. Not everyone is around logs or can do that. But even someone with a balcony can pull off a little diesel heater. Where 1 gallon will go for 2 days pretty much on full blast
One thing I use for a backup generator is a welder that also produces 120 and 240 power.10 kw Miller Trail Boss 302 Runs my well water heater and Heat Pump plus lights and appliances . I also use Solar Generator.
Same here I have a 10k watt bobcat welder/generater that runs my house like normal. Cost about 200$ a week in fuel but I have full power with well water and ac while other only have a few outlets going. Had a big ice storm years ago and ran ir for 7 days. Awesome to have
Dang. I'd love one, and tried to price a goodbused one about a year ago, and was blown away at how expensive. I mean I get it. They're tanks. But I truly wish I could afford one. Actually, I'd really like to find a solid steam engine. Lol
Good info as always - I'll stick with my 8500 watt inverter generator. I've wired my house very similarly , I can power up anytime. I agree about the noise, however visibility is also an issue - like a light or television. I learned this one night when the power failed and I fired up my older generator and older switch panel. The whole area was dark except my home which was lit up like a roman candle and everyone could see.... OK - learning experience - discretion... There's no need to fire up exterior lights or leave blinds open. The noise was not noticable at about 50 yards, the light was very "loud". Cool that I could do a trial run without having a major emergency. Thanks dude!
50 yards? I live in a rural area and can hear the marijuana growers generators 3/4 of a mile away. No exaggeration.
@@notetoself5474 okay, good for you. I have a good, thoughtfully prepared setup. You do you.
i got a 3000 watt inverter generator and a 1500 watt solar battery. i can just run the generator for a couple hours to charge the solar battery for the rest of the day. It's nice to have both. I mostly just use it for a fridge and a freezer
@@notetoself5474 generators have two types regular and silent, home users should buy silent ones
Turn off the lights and close the curtains.
I pulled the trigger on a Delta Pro with the transfer switch and 400W solar panel after watching this video. I’ve been wanting a generator like this for a while now but I didn’t know what to get and it was all a bit overwhelming when researching it. Watching this it all made sense. Thanks Wranglerstar thanks ProHo. Thank you Sir.
My only issue is that I had an EcoFlow go bad on me within a few months of purchase. The simple mechanical nature of a gas powered generator versus hoping the electronics on the EcoFlow don’t fail is something to consider. I appreciate your feedback here. It’s just good to have a reliable contingency.
My 10 month old EcoFlo delta pro caught on fire while I was traveling Europe. My friend checked on my house and saw the smoke. He was able to shut the device down. Ecoflo did replace the device after a 2 1/2 month wait. Now I’m afraid to use it.
You can build a solar generator in a milk crate with double the power of a store bought one for the same money
@@bigz5262 most likely. I would probably be even more afraid to use it if I built it 🫤
@@bigz5262Link? Explanation? Book?
Keeping both makes the most sense for emergencies. The problem with the Solar generators is the most Electronics become obsolete over a few years. I think about all the money I spent on expensive stereo systems, speakers, computers etc over the years that now are in the garbage or in my attic. My 18 year old gas Honda generator still does as good a job as a new one.
"Most electronics become obselete over a few years" obselete and functional are completely different.
They are still functional, just because you are stupid and you throw away in the attic doesn't mean anyone should do that. My 15 year old computer runs amazing, all you need is an SSD.
If you try to make them work they will work, and even if you don't, they are still functional .
@@dmitry7908 you still buy records? Cassettes? Wired speakers that weigh 50Lbs each are pretty much obsolete in 2024.
@@rebellucy6200 Well, actually, 1970’s vintage stereo electronics, and speakers and turntables are very much in demand and are fetching 4 times their original price. Like $1,000 for a 1975 Marantz receiver, and $3,000 for a set of Klipsch LaScalla speakers (at 100 pounds each). This 50-yr-old equipment is easily repairable, unlike todays disposable junk electronics.
@@FFL-vg9ro the difference is those items still work and a lithium battery will not
Pay attention to battery chemistry, lithium ion is lighter BUT it starts dropping capacity fairly quickly (80% after 500 charge cycles kind of quick) and is know for overheating and catching fire if damaged
LiFePO4 or lithium iron phosphate is heavier BUT hits 80% capacity after 3000+ cycles and is way less likely to catch fire.
This is a key thing to remember when choosing your system.
I have one and as an extra layer of backup I have a good small, quiet gas generator because sometimes you don't have enough sunny days for a system like this to charge.
This is the reason I returned my EcoFlow...hated to think it was dying a little every time I use it. Swapped for the slightly more affordable Pecron. Less fancy, but has the right battery chemistry.
@@christianb1176 ecoflow uses lifpo4 and (other than being a bit expensive) is a solid choice.
Jackery uses the shorter life lithium ion for nearly the same price.
There are a million of these "solar generators" so a little research is required.
@LoneWolf0648 yeah, I think you're right. The Delta max 2s have the newer battery I think. I had purchased the Delta Max, which was still the older battery type.
Dude is singlehandedly keeping amazon stock alive.
@@marcopolo1134 everything he gets is for free or at a discount which is fine, more power to him I guess. Amazon is the worst though and it's like 80 percent of his content are friggin thinly disguised infomercials
Not from me
I agree 100% with everything you said, Cody!
Energy independence is more important today than ever before. I love this system as well.
Batteries are no less a consumable than petrol is. And we can make fuel, biodiesel and E85
How you achieve that is another story. With Chinese products?
@@TheBelrickThis false at worst, disingenuous at best.
Gadgets are cool but ancient man thrived on society, not independence. But that's another subject.
A car engine can be a big quiet generator. Attach a large inverter and you can power appliances, battery stations etc. Also, a three fuel carburetor on the Honda can sip propane from a large tank and charge the power stations for months.
Two alternators (inverters) will give you 2 phase 12 volt. Enough to run a stick welder
Be sure part of the power is used to put a fan on the front of a car, and open the hood. Cars are NOT made to run sitting still and doing so will rapidly overheat all kinds of small things in the engine bay, which any car made in the last 40 years is all the plastic under there.
Also the car might be quiet, but the car's fans will get quiet loud inside the engine bay. Plan accordingly.
@@nordoceltic7225 even then cooling fans would still likely be quieter than a generator.
Yep. I have a plugin Prius, and I've built a permanent 12V connection (Anderson plug) in the trunk. I have a 500W true sine wave inverter, which is enough to keep the fridge and freezer running, and to charge phones, run a couple of LED bulbs etc. Good for emergency use. If the car's traction battery is full, it can keep this up for a couple of hours. When the battery nears empty, the car will start the petrol engine, and charge the battery back up to a certain point, then switch off again until the battery is drained again. On a full tank of petrol it should be able to keep this up for a week or longer.
I live in the Netherlands though, and we have excellent electrical infrastructure. In the last half century I have never had a power outage that lasted longer than one hour. Still, I like to be prepared.
Not exactly efficient gas use if you ask me. You could put that fuel in a generator and get more power for a lot longer.
Great vid Cody. Having lived through hurricane Ida in New Orleans in 2021, this is definitely a must have. Our biggest challenge was getting access to fuel for the week after the storm. But what we had plenty of was sunshine.
I do suggest getting a faraday cage for them to prevent outside intrusion into the system via blue tooth. 400 Watt panel will take ages to charge them up. Also, you will need a gas generator for back-up, because in some areas, a good part of the year is covered with clouds. I suggest people just invest in their smaller solar generator as it's more portable, but provide enough power to sustain your family's emergency needs for a few days, and from there get the larger system. Larger system requires more than one 400W panels, you will need maybe 6-10 of them panels and a good chunk of clear land to catch solar rays. In total will cost you at at least 20K to supply all your everyday luxuries. Well worth it if you can afford it.
I run a tiny house/small cabin with all solar...didn't cost 20k. Bluetti AC200 Max and B300 battery cost 3k plus 1.1kw PV is 2x 550w panels at $200 each. I run air conditioning 24/7 and fridge, freezer, lights, cooking with Instant Pot and now with the B300 battery never seem to go below 80%. Mind you all this stuff is cheaper here in Thailand and I see horrendous prices for these panels and generators in US. For example, my panels are 3x cost there.
6 to 10 panels is not realistic, it would blow your controller. I ran my Bluetti AC200 Max on 3x400W panels before switching to 2x550w panels in series. 1.1 or 1.2 kW of panels gets my full 920W input most of the day. It's overpanelling but you don't need to go overboard as I show @ ebikecnx7239
@@ebikecnx7239 Its realistic if you build your own system with a battery rack. These smaller system are great for emergency but for true offgrid, the more battery the better, because there will be days or even weeks where there is no sun. 6-10 will cover my residency based on my 7kwh daily needs, 6-10 i don't think is enough, but it's the minimum. But for emergency use, smaller system might sustain you for a day without food spoiling.
@@ebikecnx7239 That's impressive. Yeah it's expensive here, but I was calculating for a system that uses 7kwh/14kwh on average. But I'll have to look into a smaller set-up like yours for emergency, prices on these things have gone down and technology is improving, so it should be more affordable.
Any concerns with eco flow being based in Hong Kong?
Mitht Be Nithe!
I have a loud generator that runs my whole house... but the sound is why I'm investing in parts to build out a solar system. Mostly just need the battery storage now (most expensive part, really).
Forget the miniature transfer switches. The best way is if you can, Put a 30 amp breaker (or the max of your generator will allow) in your main house panel. Put it near the main. Install a steel mechanical interlock that ties the main breaker/generator breaker together mechanically, NOT electrically. Shut of the main breaker and it allows the generator breaker to be turned on. Both can't be turned on at the same time. Simply shut off all of the branch circuit breakers in your home, then turn back on those that you feel are critical loads. ALL of your LED lights can be turned on. You only use a room or two at a time and LED bulbs draw next to nothing from your generator.
This escalated quickly. I found this channel looking for a front door install video, now I’m installing back up generators 😂🤷🏼♂️. Front door works like a charm.
i have the eco flow river pro and the external battery at 1440W along with the solar panels extremely nice for quick nimble system in grid down scenario. the delta paro is definitely the way to go for a "base camp" type scenario.
Portable and easy to install, yes, totally agree. Cost effective and best option for off-grid? Not at all, not by a long shot. Two points I'd like to make. Compared to a solid Inverter and LiFeP04 battery system with transfer switch and essentials DB, you're in for close to 50% more cost for the EcoFlow. Something also to remember is ease of repair. With the EcoFlow you're locked into a high-tec all in one system with a single vendor ecosystem and extremely difficult repair or replace options, especially if you''re away from a city or authorized repair centre.
Going from making a custom off-grid system to prepackaged all-in-1 proprietary setups only happens when you have little time in your hands and money to spare. It’s a luxury that comes with its own disadvantages.
That’s definitely the way to go. So as long as you don’t need to be able to more easily move it around if that’s needed. But to have it where if needed you can replace single items of the system is definitely the better option.
@AquaTech225 You could even mount your inverter and battery pack on a plyboard backing attacheck to a wheeled trolley. Not the prettiest setup but would give you the option to take it with somewhere if you have an suv/hatchback.
with that river you should consider a small portal hydo system to power the battery bank
All the power of that river and I see people spending thousands and thousands on toys . Harness the power of the water !
i would like to see ecoflow do a class on repairing these units. I think that needs to be on your cons list about them they would be way harder to fix than a gas generator.
regardless you will need both, as sometimes the sun don't shine for weeks.
@@ex8280especially if you are using the eco flow panels. Invest in a couple few quality panels. That can charge batteries even when cloudy. It’s been cloudy where we are for almost a week. Our batteries are still charging to about 90% ish daily.
Ya gotta keep dreaming. They’re not going to share repairing. Sure some have the skill and knowledge to. But their not going to just pass that on to everyone an cut into their funds
My brother just purchased this EcoFlow system vs a generator. I was pro generator and he leaned towards this system which he just bought 2 days ago.😊
I recently picked up an Ecoflow Delta, with a 200w solar panel. Works absolutely great for doing work in remote locations where AC Power isn't available. I can run many types of power tools, and charge my Milwaukee M18 Tool batteries too.
I wonder if you get the 12v Milwaukee charger that if it would be more efficient. My Milwaukee m12 heated jacket can be charged with usb ports
You need both. We've been off grid for 2 years, last November (2022) we had 15 days of cloud in a row a fully functioning house can only go 3 days without good sun on the panels.
I love this concept. 1 question, batteries don't last forever. They all have a limited amount of charges. What it the life of these batteries?
Something like 2500-3500 cycles of charging
Not only this or only that…combination is the key! One is none and two is one! Better Solar, Power Station and generator
Not sure if there’s anything like this in the U.S but here in Australia there is a big push to get people into solar systems for their homes, you can get grants that cover some of the purchase. Additionally you can choose to feed excess power into the grid and the energy companies will pay you for it
they have solar systems like that here... BUT on many of the grid tie systems _(at least the one's they have here US)_ they will Not work if they are disconnected from the grid. OR if the grid power is down. And these are the only systems that I know of that have any type of government funding, rebates, tax breaks, etc.
@@AkornzStashI agree. I have solar. Doesn’t work if grid is down. You’re only back feeding the grid. But it has saved me a lot of money. Haven’t been though a winter yet.
I set one of my gas generators up to run on wood gas. It works great. If you are worried about being heard then definitely choose a solar generator.
Fun fact, a solar "generator" is just a big battery. The solar panels are the power generator.
Edit: This opened a can of worms, lol.
To be fair, the "generator" isn't JUST a battery. It's also an inverter and management system all in 1 transportable package.
@@seagreenspiral Good point. The solar panel is a converter.
@@seagreenspiralalmost all, nuclear power is not in any way from our sun.
@@seagreenspiral No, all energy on earth is from nuclear.
@gravitaslost also not true but close, geothermal energy comes from leftover radioactive material in the earths crust and the forces of gravity.
This dude finally earned my sub. He knows way to much to pass up. Thank you youtube for showing me this guy
The output of the panels is greatly reduced in cloudy locations/ conditions. You still need to be able charge the batteries with a gas generator.
I am happy that we still have people who speak some sense in the mist of Ecoflow paid promoters
especialy where he lives. having 3hrs of daylight half the year and cloudy isn't the best. with that said he's also not showing the entire cost because you also have to have thousands in solar equipment. he
I just bought my first solar generator, an Ecoflow, with panels. Super happy so far.
When we get Solid State Batteries this is going to get very interesting. 2-6 times more energy per kg, faster charge and discharge, much better temperature handling, longer cycle life on the cells and a lot less heat loss. We live in interesting times when it comes to portable energy.
Solid State batteries are here see RUclipsr The Outsider episode :- Kitchen Build & First Supper in the Cabin! / Ep108 / Outsider Cabin Build. Sorry youtube does not allow URL links in comments and I never use other peoples URL links anyway - too risky. Also see Yoshino B4000 SST Review: A Solid State Power Station That Shines with New Battery Technology ( no 240VAC output yet)
@@cyborgblowfish4875 yes solid state batteries are here but nobody has found a way to scale production to consumer levels yet.
Have both of them. Solar generator for when the sun is shining. It's nice and quiet, saves your fuel supplies. When it's night time or cloudy, use your gas generator to run your loads and top off the solar generator battery.
The unit I have been looking into is the zero point Titan. The stackable battery system and the ability to use any vatteries that are are in the 24 V range means it has a ton of versatility.
Still about double or more than options that are much closer to this than your old van setup. I say 75% of the form factor and portability for 40%, the price and 100% rebuildable.
Curious to know the honest experience of staying a week in that canvas tent with one of those ecoflow batteries and the solar panel during the dead of winter with about 2’ of snow on the ground just like our forefathers would have had to endure and reporting on how it performed keeping you connected, looking forward to the video in the coming months!!!
Cooling fans on the DP are loud - I love mine but when peak sun is charging I don’t want to be within 10 feet . Could bother some folks
Great idea. However, the only thing Winter would have to do with the situation is keeping the batteries above freezing because they get damaged if charged below freezing. Cody would be heating with wood and I can't imagine he would use more power than the sun would provide. Even in winter.
@@keithbrookshire true but there’s going to be less daylight hours and I’m sure fewer clear blue sky days. And we would need to know if it could self sustain for a week without plugging into the grid or running a gas powered generator to recharge. Also don’t forget the Starlink goes into ice melt mode when there’s snow and/or ice present which consumes considerably more electricity. Oh and now he’ll be adding a refrigerator to the electrical load.
This channel should have 24 million subscribers and i daresay it would if RUclips wasnt hiding it. I never see these vids in my feed
It would be interesting to see how well those charge for you in the cold winter this year and how quick it charges. I love solar I wouldn't really call it a generator but guess it could be kind of considered that since it has all of the inverter parts etc built into it. At the very least I would suggest people having any type of 3-400w solar panel and a way to charge 12volt batteries with it and then have even a cheap inverter from 12v to 120v just in case. Most of these panels can support charging usb c as well and can be had with a little inverter from 12v to 120v for less than $200 well worth having. Then you can pop in a few batteries and have at least a bit of a supply.
Im pretty sure solar panels work better in colder weather just the downside of shorter days
Consider interlocking a 30 or 50 amp breaker to main breaker and backfeed your whole home panel and choose any load you want .
Great idea well explained, but the cost is way too high. There are cheaper options. Definitely not cost-effective or can be justified for family on a budget. Thanks for the info and God bless.
just had a thousand dollar price drop since this video dropped.
They actually pair perfectly with each other
For the low low price of $8000 you can have all of this….
Quit bitching and start saving. You could own this exact setup within a year if you delivered pizzas every night.
start small and build up
It's on sale today!
😂😂😂
Stop spending money on things that won’t help you live on your own. So much freedom is given up for your comfort. That 8000$ give you life possibly.
I’d trust a Honda generator over an Ecoflow in any possible scenarios. I’d personally have both because while they both provide power they both have big pros and cons to them.
I agree. I have a cabin in the mountains. If you rely on an EcoFlow and its snowing for 2 or 3 days, you wont be able to charge the EcoFlow. I have a Generac gas generator and it can run anything to include charging the EcoFlow. Yes, fuel can be a problem too; so you have to know how to keep ethanol free gasoline viable. Not all ethanol free fuel is really ethanol free.
Some genius needs to put a hybrid system together. Best of both worlds
Gas generator can charge the battery. Boom, hybrid system.
Ecoflo makes a generator with direct DC charging, that automatically turns on when the battery charge drops below a certain level.
DC to DC charger can be used from you car for 200 bucks ish. The cheap dc to dc converters are not a good idea though.
The ecoflow has multiple charging options, one being direct ac in the form of an AC plug, which can be plugged into the gas generator…
Day 36. Ive always loved gas generator. But you definitely changed my mind. Those solar generators are way better
I don’t think this is necessarily an affordable option relative to options with server rack batteries and such. The DIY route is more affordable, and offers more customization, and upgrading as needed. There is a learning curve, but there are many resources on RUclips. This is an area I would love you to explore! Seems more Proho to me…
Correct, with a bit more effort you can build your own system with more power capability for much less but Wranglerstar has to promote these products or his free product supply will cease.
I have this same setup, bought it a little over a year ago. Used it for mig welding already, system works good. I also have the smart generator to go with it
I found your gonna need both cause some days those 400 watt panels will be like 50 watt panels and then I use the generator to run the rv, and charge the solar generator. Then run the solar generator
Definitely correct I connect 4 220watt panels. An when theirs clouds. That source takes a beating. That’s when the generator is the way to go
South central Louisiana resident here (born and raised).
Natural disaster = petroleum based generator
Camping = ecoflow
I’ve lived through many long term power outages, floods, absolutely devastating hurricanes and solar panel won’t cut it. To make the panels work, you have to spend $6000. The batteries are great for camping. I use ecoflow. But when you need 7-10 days of power and may not have great sunlight…a small generator and an external fuel cell has gotten us through every time. Also if your battery stops working…good luck fixing it. Getting a generator to limp along on spare parts harvested from other small engines works.
Also that little Honda generator can be chained with another one to make 240V. I know because I have two of them.
you can use both and cut back fuel use significantly. My generator use dropped about 80% when i got my battery bank
Cody, I've watched--and enjoyed--your content for a long time. However, you should disclose when you are being paid for these infomercials.
It shows in the top left corner paid advertisement
Then you should know he doesn’t endorse bullshit.
At 11:50 he says that's he has been very proud to have them as a sponsor.
I hope you do a follow up during and after this winter season. I’d be interested to see how well the batteries work in extreme cold.
It’s best to have more than one option! And their are many generators that run on more than one type of fuel! Solar is great until you need power and you can’t get because it is dark outside. They all have pros and cons to everything that is why I always fallow the creed two is one and one is none. Kinda unsafe to rely on one source of energy in a emergency situation!
If the sun doesn’t rise we have other issues.
Good tip about a generator and noise during a situation. Another tip is if you've got food be aware of smells when cooking it and disposal of trash that looks like it pertained to food. Starving people are at the end of their rope and have nothing to lose.
Having a battery system also allows you better surge capacity than a generator. I still use a generator when I need to charge it quickly and a 3500 watt inverter generator can charge it quickly and minimize noise. You choose when to make noise.
I added a windmill to my battery / genset combo
@@Bucky1836How many watts can you generate with that?
I’ve got a similar system not as large. The weather definitely controls the solar ability and during cloudy weather it’s almost zero. Still makes total sense
He chose them because they sponsored him, simply as that jack!
Batteries have a lifespan, whether you use them or not...but if someone like the idea of the solar generators, they could build their own for pennies on the dollar. 12V 100Ah deep cycle battery, 600W Pure Sine Wave inverter, 100W 18V panel with a charge controller(MPPT if you can afford it, PWM otherwise). Build a box for the electronics and a frame to stand the panel up at the proper sun angle.
This. If you need something that's stationary off-grid, DIY is the way to go. So easy to do and you can use higher quality components, and superior battery capacity. For campers though, it's better to go with a system
Only one of those things is a generator, the other just identifies as a generator for marketing purposes.
You are splitting hairs. One depends on the supply chain for fuel the other sunlight. This is not an eco rant in any way. But who would you rather rely on?
@@polygon2744 It's not splitting hairs, it's precision of language vs allowing marketing companies to redefine words. The 'generator' is the solar array not the battery. The battery is just a battery, and I'd only rely on both or have to hope for the best on either individually.
@@gravitaslost Generators ship without fuel, does that mean they cant generate power because the fuel isn't provided?
@@killingtimeitself Lol.
I would call it a power station. That can be recharged with solar.
Just found this channel recently, I'm hooked. Blunt, informative, concise. No fluff all class. Well done.
And paranoid. He had a great channel years ago. He has drank the kool-aid now.
@@bobcaygeon4533 meh. Paranoid to those who’ve never had to fight for their lives, prepared for those who have. I like to be prepared. And I like being taught by someone who makes it interesting.
@bobcaygeon4533 the government could turn against us?? Preposterous! Governments have never turned on their people and societies have never collapsed! Alright liberal.
My biggest fear on any battery solution is that when China shuts off access to rare earth there’s no replacements when these batteries go dead. That includes the solar panels.
You can repair anything you put your mind to. You can replace with different batteries as long as they're compatible.
As for the right to repair problem... there's no way around that when SHTF. if you can't repair your own device, don't own it.
For example an iPhone 13. I cannot repair a screen nor battery on that phone, if I were to, you'd get an annoying 24x7 notification for non genuine battery. Whereas most android phone, there's no such thing.
John Deere and many other companies are in this "right to repair" battle. You don't own most of the stuff you think you possess. Back to the old days and pre processors. Simpler the better.
Most lithium is from South America so it won't matter what China is doing lol
Batteries don't require any rare earths. lol
The newer lituim batteries last a long time they have been getting better and better.
You can make a solar panel with water and algae and a chemical battery.
Glad you did this video . Today gas is 5-7 dollars a gallon. The generators are more maintenance to keep going. A solar producing generators has promise.
you can build this cody for MUCH, much cheaper and fit it all on a dolly with an all in one unit above a battery, like the eg4. Thousands of watts, will accept even more amps (more solar panels) than the ecoflow all for literally half or close to half the cost per watt you'll get here. Very little wiring.
Wow! This device is like getting ready for the zombie apocalyps! This is what we need. Glad I found this video. Thank you so much for sharing.
Nice video . Interesting to see ! Just an idea, why dont use the waterflow and make like a passive generator to charge them ?
He could do that easily. But then he wouldn't be paid for this 12-minute infomercial.
@@mycabinlife1291 haha True . But as another video perhaps ?
@@Tobbebohman my friend Sharon just did this with her creek. She also has a new solar system that she's putting in and she also has power station that she charges with solar and a gas generator.
Wow, great timing. We will be building our house in the county in the spring & didn't want to bring power lines in but the expense of traditional solar panels made that our only option .... until now.
How have your systems done in overcast skies? Live in Michigan and we’re not exactly known for our sunny days lol
I'm curious how they do in freezing temps. All of my lithium batteries seriously lose capacity performance when they're sub zero.
I over panel. Will Prost said use a 3s2p wiring for EcoFlow DP. My panels under 50v each/ 2 strings of 3 so voltage stays under 150v . Very important- the amps and watts will be regulated but don’t over voltage.
I have 2 arrays of 3 panels and there is about 25 ft between the arrays. I have some tree shade and after 2 pm the far array gets a clear blast - but the other has a shadow.
Each string collects for itself but a shadow on a pv in the loop decreases all panels production (in only that loop)
Unnecessary addendum. My panels are 350w ( I can get almost 95% of that sticker claim in no cloud skies)
I'm very interested to see how this type of system holds up over time. What can/will break, if it can be repaired, etc. It sounds promising at this point!
Hello wranglerstar, been watching your videos for years and have always loved and been inspired by your content (you got me into the forest)!
What I was wonder was what you were doing for the moisture from the ground on your cabin?
i noticed you didnt put a moisture barrier and was curious if that was important in a situation like your wall tent?
I use both systems . The EcoFlow system all of the time with or without solar system as solar is overrated. Then I use the generator 1.5 -2 hours to regenerate the power to the EcoFlow system. I would add on thing to your idea: place an EMP blanket over the electric generator when not in use. Your Bluetooth phone may not work. Also the EcoFlow Alternator Generator is not fuel affective to charge the electric generator. With the price of $600 you can run your small Honda for a very very long time. Keep up your great work.
Most people can't afford a $2800 solar generator right now cause inflation. Just saying.
Those people should budget better. Very few people have an income problem; most people have a spending problem.
Great video. As nomad work becomes more convenient running a business and attending trade shows this is just what I needed to take my team on the road to work with me and attend conferences. Thanks very insightful!
I'll stick with my gas thanks
Who?
I definitely think the solar generator choice is the most appealing, but the problem in the long term is the batteries. You can repair a gas generator. You're not going to repair a battery. So, if you can have both great, but if can only have 1 the gas generator is going to be best.
This is a commercial
Ihave used a solar gen for 6 years now as a backup to local outages instead of using my pto gen, its quick and we have the essentials for short term or long term as we have 3 -1200 watt gens and the solar capacity of 460 watts. Very nice an ecoflow is part of that equation.
Your version of “affordable” is laughable. Nice sales pitch though. Smh.
Back in 2016, I went to California to trim weed. The house ran on propane for the water and the fridge. We had 3 generators for electricity. They were sooooo loud. We would turn them off at night and sit on the porch in the dark. This solar generator looks amazing and I want one! My dream is to plop a fully sustainable modular tiny home onto a small parcel in upcountry Maui. With the cost of gas, no thank you. I don't drive, so buying gas is foreign to me! With the state of the world today, I don't want to be in the city when it burns! I'll be in my self sustainable home looking at my view of the pacific ocean!😊
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The one thing bad with these all in one units is that if something fails it's useless.
A regular solar setup if there is a problem you can just change the part that broken.
The "Paid Promotion" banner at the start of the video says it all. Can't trust a shill's opinion.
Ill be getting both, during the winter you can turn on the generator once in a while to charge up the batteries if youre not getting enough power also EcoFlow also has a 5% off for military or i believe on top of any savings using a code for is.
Great for sunny locations
For my cabin/home I need and use both. We have months of little light in alaska and straight solar is not a solution in itself. Gas has limitations of its own making it really imperative to maintain both
I have EcoFlow DP and just recently got the propane smart genny unit from same company .
Home Depot no sales tax vet discount I paid 1053.
Cheapest around for me. Fills back up the DP battery and has great features. Only suk is the 15 ft cord between the units . But I love the delta pro and I run a full fridge and freezer all day everyday off of sun . 6x350 pv 3s2p keeps under 150v . I love EcoFlow and the 12v options 360/120/36 watt connections. Sorry y’all just 2cents and agree with video thoughts on quiet time
What brand is thst propane genny
@@Bucky1836 EcoFlow
Epic system. Adding the Dual Fuel Generator would be the cherry on top.
He gave you all the info I needed in 1:35ses 😂
I really like my Bluetti. Ecoflow is a good option also.
I just got a F3800 that lets me power 240v appliances and water pumps. The nice thing is that can handle my needs for a long while, and if I ever had to, I can charge it up with a smaller gas generator too. Giving me a hybrid power supply, that most of the time will just be solar powered.
Yes! A log cabin build! Yes! I’ve been waiting for this for a long time.
We've got the Jackery 2000 plus ans love it. I dont even usey inverter generator anymore. Oh, also, Jackery's customer service is the best ive ever seen. Side note: I've dropped a 2*4 on it from 10ft up and no cracks in the case, and the electronics are fine. Highly recommend.
Hell yeah, brother! Solar + Battery = Coming Struggle Power Solution. You want to go to Gas Town to refill when its Mad Max times? EV vehicles also work as a great battery backup. Most are 70Kwh+ battery capacity
Thank you for this video. I have been going back and forth with gas power and solar power generators. Although my bank is not that large. I am not one to do maintenance and gas generators scare me. I will probably suffer from CO. However, the pros and cons is very helpful. I wanted a Generac, but way too expensive. I purchased the Delta Pro.
The smart backup duel fuel generator is a nice option for this setup. will help conserve fuel and time with the auto start-stop and ability to use it separately from the Delta's. Add the Wave2 for some creature comfort and it's a solid system. The only thing that would make it better, is to add the ability to daisy chain the extra battery. I have already emailed them and provided the idea, and to offer the same expandability as competitors.