Great job and you did it w humility and love. Tyler on Generation 2434 did one like it about the little Russian minister who had 10 points to support a post trib rapture and he did a fantastic job also w humility and love. This is important for people like me who are new readers of the Bible. I have always been a believer w no doubt of who Jesus is but I was raised Catholic so I never read the Bible and when I would try I was confused bc it's not easy to understand without help from the right teachers. This past year I started reading again w help of teachers like you, Robert Breaker, Uptime, and Tyler. Once i learned about depositions and rightly dividing it became clearer. I didn't even know about a rapture until the book series Left Behind came out. So thank you for your work and your sharing of your passion for the Lord. Godspeed
Hi brother, if you'd like more teaching from a pretrib view, check out Dr. Andy Woods, who has a very in-depth series explaining it and also refuting objections and so forth. He is very thorough. If you want a more scholarly resource, check out the Pre-Trib Study Group, run by Dr. Tommy Ice and founded by Tim LaHaye. Tons of papers and videos there. God bless you.
This was enlightening, Shane, thank you. I was subscribed to FAI Studios for awhile. I know nothing of the politics. I listened to Joel a few times but I had to come back around to my own pre-trib beliefs. I’m sad that Joel is so deep into this. You’re right, it’s arrogant and weird. Thanks again Shane, loving your channel.
Shane, personally I'm glad you pointed this out and backed it up with this guy's video.I've never heard of him before but there are a lot of "Joel" like people coming out and mocking the pretrib belief. Saying it's demonic raises the bar. Hopefully, a new believer will hear this and understand that Joel's belief IS demonic. I have always thought if you're mid or post you'll find out sooner or later... God Bless you brother!
While I completely agree with your assessment Shane, Id like to share with all who may read that we (as believers) should refrain from judging his heart or his salvation. He may be wrong in his approach, doctrine, theology, etc. he needs our prayers and indeed some correction. My prayer is for his heart to soften and his eyes are opened to the whole truth of the Word. It's difficult for me because I've had ongoing disagreement with my older brother on this topic for 15 years or more and now we dont even discuss it and it's been tough just to talk about the word, This breaks my heart but it wont matter because i know he loves the Lord and no matter who's right, we'll spend eternity with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
You should watch his testimony. He convinced a Baptist evangelist to dunk him as a bet to his construction buddies because he was hot. Then the next day he felt swindled. And denied what he had done. Now today he doesn’t know if he’s really saved and teaches that no one really knows. I know because of the scriptures. Not my feelings.
I feel for this guy. He has bought a lie from the devil. Paul said that if someone teaches a gospel that is different from what I (Paul) has taught, let him be cursed. You said it, Shane. If you believe in the pretrib and I believe in the midtrib or even posttrib, it really won't matter we're all going up when Jesus comes. Come Lord Jesus! Thank you Shane!
@Saint_JPM Moreover: A person who has once believed is filled with the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. Born again! You cannot lose your salvation - period! 2 Corinthians 5:17 “Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
@JWO0169 Yes, this is the doctrine of the Antichrist that will lead people to rely on their own merit. It is impossible to die a spiritual death if you have already been born again. A new creature in Christ!
I don't know if there will be pre mid or post trib rapture I feel it's a hidden mystery so I listen to pastors with all the different philosophies I find Joel way too angry to bother with and interestingly I find a lot of people with the post-trib beliefs to be angry with people on the pre-trib not sure why that is
Like you I have been perplexed over the last 24 hours over people that are coming against us who believe in the pre-trib rapture, and us that believe in we are saved by faith and Grace alone and not by works. I've posted comments to these people and right now after all this, I feel overwhelmed with negativity and almost like, their darkness has swept over me so to speak and yes it is a darkness. I say that because I believe people that believe these things, have to have scales on their eyes because how can they not read the scripture and see it for what it is. That means that they are in darkness, they are not saved. To be saved I believe is that your eyes are open and you can see the scripture you're allowed to see the scripture for what it is, and that is the true gospel of Jesus Christ. I feel truly blessed that I have been allowed to view the scripture in this way. However I think I'm going to let go as far as thinking about these people & what they're saying because I think that if they were meant to be awake they would be, I think they are meant to go through the tribulation and suffer the wrath, if they weren't they would clearly see the zillions of scriptures that clearly state that those who are saved do not go through the wrath. ❤ Keep up the good work❤
I also have had those exchanges with people. They are arrogant and nasty. They condemn you and refuse to understand the simple explanations of scripture. I believe these people are under a delusion because they refuse to accept the truth.
@@nanadeborah8717 well the scriptures do say that, the truth is hidden from those that are perishing, so as much as we try we can only do so much, what frustrates me is that the people that are doing it I've got RUclips channels full of people and these people are listening to what they're saying people potentially that could be saved, but I guess those people if they were meant to be saved god would direct them to the right people
Joel will be here during the Great Tribulation because he wants to be here. It all depends on what you believe. He doesn't have the Holy Spirit dwelling in him and he will have to go through the fire to be refined. He is more worried about his stuff than his soul. 😢
I do wonder what the 3 camps understand about the other, ie the scripture backing of each other. Neither have given their reasons consistently. That is why we have these decisive videos. More over, some of the people on uptime have past the same judgement on people who have a different eschatological view. It is sad.
It is obvious to me that Joel has never done proper research. ie Polycarp and Iraneus. Polycarp was a disciple of John who wrote Revelation. Iraneus was a disciple of Polycarp. These men....our early church fathers, believed and taught a pre-tribulational rapture. Iraneus wrote "Against Heresies", and was adamant that Christ will catch away the believer before the "Horrors to Come". Joel may be a servant who is found to be whipping and beating his fellow servants...if that would be the case, Christ will tear him asunder. What he is doing is very serious and dangerous spiritually for him.
Irenaeus meant the catching away before the wrath of the judgment of God and His Christ at His Coming upon those who choose to disbelieve. This did not equate the Tribulation under the wrath of the Antichrist who with the world will persecute and kill the faithful.
@@luketan7451 Respectively, Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Here we see the promise from Christ Himself that he will rescue us before the trials of the tribulation. He does not equate a difference here of the wrath of man vs the wrath of satan. To have a wrath of the lamb and we are still here is kinda a non starter. Jesus is not going to pour wrath out against His body. That wouldn't make any sense. The son of perdition cannot be revealed until "he who restrains is taken out of the way". When God removes the restraints on evil out of the way, we who are Christs will also depart, and be with the Lord forever. There is a second group without number who are also seen around the throne who have come out of great Tribulation. These are who refused the mark and died during the time of Jacobs Trouble.
@@jesusiscoming888 Did Christians not suffer tribulation before? Paul said we must through much tribulation enter the kingdom of God. God will care for His people through the wrath of Antichrist but that doesn't mean believers will not suffer and die for their faith, obvious in Revelation when the beast will war against the saints. The important thing is what exactly did Jesus and His apostles say about the tribulation. Isn't it evident that in 2 Thess 2 Paul said that Christ will only come after the Antichrist (Man of Sin) is revealed, and He will destroy him? I must but declare that Scriptures only mention THE Parousia (coming) of Christ, that one particular coming of Christ in glory and power. Paul didn't need to differentiate between an earlier and a later coming. His readers understood him clearly. They needed not, whether Paul or the Thessalonians, to specify which coming he was speaking of.
@@jesusiscoming888 You have interpreted Revelation 3:10 out of context and misread the meaning. Jesus was speaking to the church in Philadelphia at that time, and He only said He will keep them from the hour of trial or testing. Why does this mean God will bring believers out of this world? He didn't deliver the Philadelphian believers out from this earth, but He protected them both in physical ways and from spiritual loss . The word 'keep' is Greek 'tereo' meaning guard from loss and injury. John 17:15 expressed the same, Jesus prayed that the Father should not take them out of the world but keep ('tereo') them from the evil one.
Another good podcast thanks for sharing. Joel needs prayer and a serious heart check. Sounds like he is full of hate toward the doctrine of imminence. Yikes. I'm still waiting for a post-tribulationist to explain which mortals populate the millennium?🤔
@@momoftexas3664 exactly my thoughts, narcissist hate. They can’t relate. Love is foreign to them. They believe life consist of what have you done for me. They believe in themselves, not Jesus. They masquerade
Weird fella I think, first I've heard of him to be honest .. hmm be good to get him on uptime would be interesting bro if he would come on,thanks for the upload Shane , love from David to you and yours , David in North Wales🙂
You're right Shane what Joel is teaching is wrong what he is saying is wrong but sometimes I think when people do videos they put too much focus on what other people think of them rather than just teaching sound Doctrine what you teach is biblical and as long as you're getting the word of God out there the truth I wouldn't be worried about what people are saying about you or think about you I would just pray for them that they would see the truth and go about what you're doing
He (Mr. Richardson) literally said that the pretrib is a stronghold of Satan and then in his next breath said he has good friends, great men and women of God who believe the pretrib. If these people believe the pretrib, how can they be great men and women of God? He just said we who believe the prettibulation are deceived and are under a stronghold of Satan. Seriously? Where is the logic in that?
he Must not rightly divide the word of truth or read the right version. Doee he not know scripture says god will spare the church from gods wrath to come.come on man 🤦
i have listen to joel and he is not correct on the rapture. he is a man with knowledge but the holy spirit is not with him he is world traveled indeed but does not allow the holy spirit to heal him sosad lawanda miriam love this message black swan on him .happy some one spoke out on joel lawanda miriam pearce arizona
I wish everyone would do a thorough calculation of the bowl judgements etc. if there’s a post trib rapture, and 95% of humanity are dead, as these teachings state … a rapture at this point is rather pointless.. as the majority of people still alive have taken the mark…it’s all talk about something that almost nobody will experience… Never mind the verse stating people will be buying and selling when the rapture happens… how will that occur after all the judgements?
It gets worse Joel says Jesus spews bowls of wrath as he walk on earth to everyone. He says when Jesus pours his wrath on us we have new bodies so Jesus can’t kill us. I’m telling you I can’t make this stuff up.
Its funny, i have never heard a pre-tribber call a preterist or mid tribber evil or not saved. And he participates in prophecy conferences with pre-tribbers. Isn't that hypocritical?
While I dislike language that is provocative or that sounds accusatory, we need to ask is there any truth? Do doctrines of demons exist? Do teaching of demons prefer true biblical teachings or false teachings? If only one teaching on the rapture is true would demons prefer the true or false teaching? What are the implications if we are wrong regarding the rapture? If the pretrib rapture is wrong we might not be prepared for facing the antichrist and tribulation. I think we need to hold some future prophecy in tension. We won’t be held accountable for which rapture doctrine we hold, but Jesus will judge us for how we love one another. My prayer is that our love will not grow cold and we don’t forget our first love. Are we ready for possible great tribulation?
Joel is saying that people may fall away IF the pretrib rapture doesn't happen. And they won't be prepared for the trouble. He isn't saying believing in a pretrib rapture can cause you to fall away. Only if it doesn't happen and people are caught off guard. Be honest about what he is saying.
How can you be caught off guard if you are watching and waiting for Jesus as you warn people about the Anti-Christ. See how this argument is silly? Post tribbers talk about fighting the anti christ face to face. Dodging one pound hail stones earthquakes famines lawlessness etc.
@@blackswanrevelations the funny thing is..and I'm not saying this about you..but it seems the ministries that teach pretrib the most study and teach about the anti Christ , the beast, and all the details of what's going to happen during the tribulation the most. If they really believed in pretrib so strongly why spend so much time teaching about the book of Revelation and all the details about the tribulation if they and the church they are aiming their teaching at is not going to be here anyways?
@@worship2277 well i guess it has something to do with warning people and saving some from the wrath to come. Now you dont have an excuse to say you didnt know. and when i say you i dont mean you.
First,he is a liar. He laughed and said pretrib is demonically inspired when he was with FAI. Has he disassociated with them because of the scandals. He looks disheveled. He does not even know scripture. He is demonically pushed to try to discredit pretrib. I pray for him.
Who cares what kind of rapture it is... One day we know and till then all the guesswork benefits you nothing. Maybe we should not forget about the Gospel, the salvation, the blood... and the command to preach the word and make disciples. I find this rapture talk with all these people sitting in their cars, on their lawnmower, with their weekly update about made up dreams, visions and letters from God absurd (and they contradict each other...). That has nothing godly, nothing holy, nothing biblically and whatever people use in the Bible to justify it, it is nothing more than a side note. And then we should make it a side note in our lives as well. The big massage is Christ, the cross, the blood and we all bringing that message to others. You cant take 5% of His word, talk 100% about it and claim you are in His word. Thats absurd. If the Bible covers a topic by 5%, then spend 5% of your time with it. It was not more important to God than 5%, so why do we then make a big thing out of it?
Joel is deceived he's twisting scripture he says the pre trib teaching is demonic ,but he's unaware that his teaching is demonic and that the pre teib is very biblical
As far as i know remnant radio is not pre-trib. Who did the interview with Joel. He can allegorize scripture to fit his ideologies but i have a demon? Oy!
Shane,Jesus following the footsteps of Moses,coming out of the desert,is an Islamic prophecy which says that Jesus will lead the Jews and Christians to Allah as the only god. He is demonically possessed when he begins to use Islamic scriptures as Christian scripture. We must pray for our enemies, even those possessed by the devil. He's not leading anyone to Jesus,he's leading them to perdition.
Let the Scriptures speak for themselves, what the Lord and Paul spoke. It's obvious they didn't speak of a pretribulation rapture. When we read Matthew 24, Jesus said after the tribulation His Parousia, His coming with the angels and the gathering up together of His chosen ones. Paul put both the coming of Christ and gathering up together in same context. It's not about hating pretribbers but pointing out what the Word said. It's very evident from the texts. When we read of the coming of Christ, we find THE PAROUSIA. The definite article in Greek identifies that particular event. Jesus and Paul did not need to differentiate between an earlier and a later coming, a secret and an open coming. Neither did their listeners nor readers need to differentiate between two. They need not specify, "I mean the first coming, not the later one." Or "Do you mean the secret one or the open one?" There will be that one Parousia translated Coming, read this term in the texts. There is no hint of a separate secret rapture in the words of Jesus and Paul. All the descriptions of the gathering up together were glorious, visible and powerful. With glorified physical bodies, we are no more spirit beings but visible in the air. And Jesus will be coming in the clouds with great glory and power, and in Jesus's words the whole thing will be visible like lightning across the sky. This truth was very clear to them and the early church. And since this is the truth according to their words, then a different doctrine of pretrib rapture is really the one that is not scriptural.
@@blackswanrevelations correction, go read 1 Cor 15:23 and 1 Thess 4:16, about the resurrection of the dead. Those who died in Christ will return with Him at His coming, then be resurrected from dead and given a glorified new body. Those who will be alive will be changed. Then together in glorified bodies, we will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. That's why Paul in 1 Thess 4:15 those who are alive will be no means precede those who died. The dead in Christ will return with Him, resurrected with new bodies, then caught up together with those yet alive. In heaven, we have only the spirits of departed saints. Here's when we get 'twinkling of an eye' 1 Cor 15:52 and for those still alive when Christ returns, not referring to the dead.
Show me where the bible SPECIFICALLY SAYS there will be a pre trib rapture. Where it says specifically by Paul John or Jesus where they say specifically, without confusion, word for word, that there will be a pre trib rapture. Not going back to Noah and the ark, not Enoch, not Elijah, etc. those are not specifically saying there is going to be a pretrib rapture that's just speculation.
@@blackswanrevelations who is to say that doesn't mean we're not ordained to the wrath of hell? Even there your jumping to conclusions. It doesn't specifically word for word say you won't go through the tribulation and suffer
I see nothing but bitterness in that man, I see no love at all. And he needs to buy a decent computer if he's going to use it to be on the air. He's not very considerate, I can't understand any he said, I'll have to take your word for it.
Is pre trib rapture a salvation issue? NO! I havent seen 100% proof for pre, mid or post trib rapture. I look at it like its more dangerous to teach pre trib than post because if you're wrong you are setting people up for unbelief when Things get tough. Joel does not believe anything that mormons believe. Who are you?
With all do respect in my opinion this whole video I never once seen this guy back up anything he said with scripture! All I heard was him talking about things that absolutely made no sense too me, definitely not biblical! I'm blown away by individuals that come on You Tube and make videos like this! It made me wonder this, does this guy really believes what he's actually saying, or he knows exactly what he's doing, maybe purposely trying to decieve people? IDK, just a thought! And my apologies too him if that's what he really believes, if so you guys we really need too pray for this him! Just my thoughts ❤ u Jesus
saints now you are inferring we are spirits in heaven. Coming back for these dust bodies that were from the first Adam. It’s not true. BWe get our heavenly bodies from the second Adam.
He seems to think this is a salvation issue. It is not a salvation issue.
Great job and you did it w humility and love. Tyler on Generation 2434 did one like it about the little Russian minister who had 10 points to support a post trib rapture and he did a fantastic job also w humility and love.
This is important for people like me who are new readers of the Bible. I have always been a believer w no doubt of who Jesus is but I was raised Catholic so I never read the Bible and when I would try I was confused bc it's not easy to understand without help from the right teachers. This past year I started reading again w help of teachers like you, Robert Breaker, Uptime, and Tyler. Once i learned about depositions and rightly dividing it became clearer. I didn't even know about a rapture until the book series Left Behind came out.
So thank you for your work and your sharing of your passion for the Lord. Godspeed
Hi brother, if you'd like more teaching from a pretrib view, check out Dr. Andy Woods, who has a very in-depth series explaining it and also refuting objections and so forth. He is very thorough. If you want a more scholarly resource, check out the Pre-Trib Study Group, run by Dr. Tommy Ice and founded by Tim LaHaye. Tons of papers and videos there. God bless you.
@@queenofpropsI completely agree. Dr. Andy Woods is excellent in explaining this.
This was enlightening, Shane, thank you. I was subscribed to FAI Studios for awhile. I know nothing of the politics. I listened to Joel a few times but I had to come back around to my own pre-trib beliefs. I’m sad that Joel is so deep into this. You’re right, it’s arrogant and weird. Thanks again Shane, loving your channel.
Shane, personally I'm glad you pointed this out and backed it up with this guy's video.I've never heard of him before but there are a lot of "Joel" like people coming out and mocking the pretrib belief. Saying it's demonic raises the bar. Hopefully, a new believer will hear this and understand that Joel's belief IS demonic. I have always thought if you're mid or post you'll find out sooner or later... God Bless you brother!
While I completely agree with your assessment Shane, Id like to share with all who may read that we (as believers) should refrain from judging his heart or his salvation. He may be wrong in his approach, doctrine, theology, etc. he needs our prayers and indeed some correction. My prayer is for his heart to soften and his eyes are opened to the whole truth of the Word. It's difficult for me because I've had ongoing disagreement with my older brother on this topic for 15 years or more and now we dont even discuss it and it's been tough just to talk about the word, This breaks my heart but it wont matter because i know he loves the Lord and no matter who's right, we'll spend eternity with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ.
You should watch his testimony. He convinced a Baptist evangelist to dunk him as a bet to his construction buddies because he was hot. Then the next day he felt swindled. And denied what he had done. Now today he doesn’t know if he’s really saved and teaches that no one really knows. I know because of the scriptures. Not my feelings.
I feel for this guy. He has bought a lie from the devil. Paul said that if someone teaches a gospel that is different from what I (Paul) has taught, let him be cursed. You said it, Shane. If you believe in the pretrib and I believe in the midtrib or even posttrib, it really won't matter we're all going up when Jesus comes. Come Lord Jesus! Thank you Shane!
People fall away because of themselves not others
@Saint_JPM
Moreover: A person who has once believed is filled with the indwelling of the Holy Ghost. Born again! You cannot lose your salvation - period!
2 Corinthians 5:17
“Therefore if any man be in Christ, he is a new creature: old things are passed away; behold, all things are become new.”
@@christopherpeterson6004 I already know about once saved always saved because I’m already saved
Amen!
(that's why I said "moreover".)
@@christopherpeterson6004 of late I've been seeing a lot of people trying to refute osas.
@JWO0169
Yes, this is the doctrine of the Antichrist that will lead people to rely on their own merit. It is impossible to die a spiritual death if you have already been born again. A new creature in Christ!
I don't know if there will be pre mid or post trib rapture I feel it's a hidden mystery so I listen to pastors with all the different philosophies I find Joel way too angry to bother with and interestingly I find a lot of people with the post-trib beliefs to be angry with people on the pre-trib not sure why that is
Like you I have been perplexed over the last 24 hours over people that are coming against us who believe in the pre-trib rapture, and us that believe in we are saved by faith and Grace alone and not by works. I've posted comments to these people and right now after all this, I feel overwhelmed with negativity and almost like, their darkness has swept over me so to speak and yes it is a darkness. I say that because I believe people that believe these things, have to have scales on their eyes because how can they not read the scripture and see it for what it is. That means that they are in darkness, they are not saved. To be saved I believe is that your eyes are open and you can see the scripture you're allowed to see the scripture for what it is, and that is the true gospel of Jesus Christ. I feel truly blessed that I have been allowed to view the scripture in this way. However I think I'm going to let go as far as thinking about these people & what they're saying because I think that if they were meant to be awake they would be, I think they are meant to go through the tribulation and suffer the wrath, if they weren't they would clearly see the zillions of scriptures that clearly state that those who are saved do not go through the wrath. ❤ Keep up the good work❤
I also have had those exchanges with people. They are arrogant and nasty. They condemn you and refuse to understand the simple explanations of scripture. I believe these people are under a delusion because they refuse to accept the truth.
@@nanadeborah8717 well the scriptures do say that, the truth is hidden from those that are perishing, so as much as we try we can only do so much, what frustrates me is that the people that are doing it I've got RUclips channels full of people and these people are listening to what they're saying people potentially that could be saved, but I guess those people if they were meant to be saved god would direct them to the right people
Amen shane
As much as I want to hear the whole thing I just cannot listen to the words of this man time is too short.
Yet, you ask him a few questions and he gets mad and blocks you…
Test the spirits also applies to people who think they are Christians .
Joel will be here during the Great Tribulation because he wants to be here. It all depends on what you believe. He doesn't have the Holy Spirit dwelling in him and he will have to go through the fire to be refined. He is more worried about his stuff than his soul. 😢
I do wonder what the 3 camps understand about the other, ie the scripture backing of each other. Neither have given their reasons consistently. That is why we have these decisive videos. More over, some of the people on uptime have past the same judgement on people who have a different eschatological view. It is sad.
But what do you believe?
Revelation 5 The church ,the bride of Christ is in heaven BEFORE Jesus opens the seals in Revelation 6 .
Joel is speaking like a wolf in sheep’s clothing 😣😣😣
Interesting Podcast!
It is obvious to me that Joel has never done proper research. ie Polycarp and Iraneus. Polycarp was a disciple of John who wrote Revelation. Iraneus was a disciple of Polycarp. These men....our early church fathers, believed and taught a pre-tribulational rapture. Iraneus wrote "Against Heresies", and was adamant that Christ will catch away the believer before the "Horrors to Come". Joel may be a servant who is found to be whipping and beating his fellow servants...if that would be the case, Christ will tear him asunder. What he is doing is very serious and dangerous spiritually for him.
Irenaeus meant the catching away before the wrath of the judgment of God and His Christ at His Coming upon those who choose to disbelieve. This did not equate the Tribulation under the wrath of the Antichrist who with the world will persecute and kill the faithful.
@@luketan7451 Respectively, Revelation 3:10 Because thou hast kept the word of my patience, I also will keep thee from the hour of temptation, which shall come upon all the world, to try them that dwell upon the earth. Here we see the promise from Christ Himself that he will rescue us before the trials of the tribulation. He does not equate a difference here of the wrath of man vs the wrath of satan. To have a wrath of the lamb and we are still here is kinda a non starter. Jesus is not going to pour wrath out against His body. That wouldn't make any sense. The son of perdition cannot be revealed until "he who restrains is taken out of the way". When God removes the restraints on evil out of the way, we who are Christs will also depart, and be with the Lord forever. There is a second group without number who are also seen around the throne who have come out of great Tribulation. These are who refused the mark and died during the time of Jacobs Trouble.
@@luketan7451 It's all judgment because God permits it. Why would God also put the believer with the unrighteous? That is against God's character.
@@jesusiscoming888
Did Christians not suffer tribulation before? Paul said we must through much tribulation enter the kingdom of God. God will care for His people through the wrath of Antichrist but that doesn't mean believers will not suffer and die for their faith, obvious in Revelation when the beast will war against the saints. The important thing is what exactly did Jesus and His apostles say about the tribulation. Isn't it evident that in 2 Thess 2 Paul said that Christ will only come after the Antichrist (Man of Sin) is revealed, and He will destroy him? I must but declare that Scriptures only mention THE Parousia (coming) of Christ, that one particular coming of Christ in glory and power. Paul didn't need to differentiate between an earlier and a later coming. His readers understood him clearly. They needed not, whether Paul or the Thessalonians, to specify which coming he was speaking of.
@@jesusiscoming888
You have interpreted Revelation 3:10 out of context and misread the meaning. Jesus was speaking to the church in Philadelphia at that time, and He only said He will keep them from the hour of trial or testing. Why does this mean God will bring believers out of this world? He didn't deliver the Philadelphian believers out from this earth, but He protected them both in physical ways and from spiritual loss . The word 'keep' is Greek 'tereo' meaning guard from loss and injury. John 17:15 expressed the same, Jesus prayed that the Father should not take them out of the world but keep ('tereo') them from the evil one.
Another good podcast thanks for sharing.
Joel needs prayer and a serious heart check. Sounds like he is full of hate toward the doctrine of imminence. Yikes.
I'm still waiting for a post-tribulationist to explain which mortals populate the millennium?🤔
doctrine matters
I've never listened to him and it's obvious why I haven't. He's spiritually blind.
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Shane this man is a narcissist. He’s so wrong and his ego is in the way. Sad but this is him being deceived by demons!
Probably believes in "works salvation" and feels his works are not complete.
@@momoftexas3664 exactly my thoughts, narcissist hate. They can’t relate. Love is foreign to them. They believe life consist of what have you done for me. They believe in themselves, not Jesus. They masquerade
Weird fella I think, first I've heard of him to be honest .. hmm be good to get him on uptime would be interesting bro if he would come on,thanks for the upload Shane , love from David to you and yours , David in North Wales🙂
Why is he shaming Christian?
Good question.
You're right Shane what Joel is teaching is wrong what he is saying is wrong but sometimes I think when people do videos they put too much focus on what other people think of them rather than just teaching sound Doctrine what you teach is biblical and as long as you're getting the word of God out there the truth I wouldn't be worried about what people are saying about you or think about you I would just pray for them that they would see the truth and go about what you're doing
Thanks for that and I agree
What i hear from Joel is me,me,me...me some more,me,me,me!
I’m afraid so.
Joel narcissist obvious 😢
I'm not Charles, and I think we become more nuts everyday. Maybe we should throw away our phones and just use one that calls. Lol.
He (Mr. Richardson) literally said that the pretrib is a stronghold of Satan and then in his next breath said he has good friends, great men and women of God who believe the pretrib. If these people believe the pretrib, how can they be great men and women of God? He just said we who believe the prettibulation are deceived and are under a stronghold of Satan. Seriously? Where is the logic in that?
he Must not rightly divide the word of truth or read the right version. Doee he not know scripture says god will spare the church from gods wrath to come.come on man 🤦
i have listen to joel and he is not correct on the rapture. he is a man with knowledge but the holy spirit is not with him he is world traveled indeed but does not allow the holy spirit to heal him sosad lawanda miriam love this message black swan on him .happy some one spoke out on joel lawanda miriam pearce arizona
A major lack of dispensational understanding. He doesn't teach on Paul? I rest my case.
I wish everyone would do a thorough calculation of the bowl judgements etc. if there’s a post trib rapture, and 95% of humanity are dead, as these teachings state … a rapture at this point is rather pointless.. as the majority of people still alive have taken the mark…it’s all talk about something that almost nobody will experience…
Never mind the verse stating people will be buying and selling when the rapture happens… how will that occur after all the judgements?
It gets worse Joel says Jesus spews bowls of wrath as he walk on earth to everyone. He says when Jesus pours his wrath on us we have new bodies so Jesus can’t kill us. I’m telling you I can’t make this stuff up.
@@blackswanrevelationsWow Shane, that certainly sounds like a doctrine of demons. This man unfortunately is not saved.
@blackswanrevelations but the Word says, we are not subject to The Father's wrath!
@@blackswanrevelationsThis is SO disturbing. Thanks Shane, keep up the great work😊
Sorry I have little respect for joel, and his lack of understanding of scripture
Its funny, i have never heard a pre-tribber call a preterist or mid tribber evil or not saved. And he participates in prophecy conferences with pre-tribbers. Isn't that hypocritical?
While I dislike language that is provocative or that sounds accusatory, we need to ask is there any truth? Do doctrines of demons exist? Do teaching of demons prefer true biblical teachings or false teachings? If only one teaching on the rapture is true would demons prefer the true or false teaching? What are the implications if we are wrong regarding the rapture? If the pretrib rapture is wrong we might not be prepared for facing the antichrist and tribulation. I think we need to hold some future prophecy in tension. We won’t be held accountable for which rapture doctrine we hold, but Jesus will judge us for how we love one another. My prayer is that our love will not grow cold and we don’t forget our first love. Are we ready for possible great tribulation?
Have you asked the question what is Paul says is true? Then all those that don’t want or need Christ will then get what they wish for.
Joel is saying that people may fall away IF the pretrib rapture doesn't happen. And they won't be prepared for the trouble. He isn't saying believing in a pretrib rapture can cause you to fall away. Only if it doesn't happen and people are caught off guard. Be honest about what he is saying.
How can you be caught off guard if you are watching and waiting for Jesus as you warn people about the Anti-Christ. See how this argument is silly? Post tribbers talk about fighting the anti christ face to face. Dodging one pound hail stones earthquakes famines lawlessness etc.
@@blackswanrevelations the funny thing is..and I'm not saying this about you..but it seems the ministries that teach pretrib the most study and teach about the anti Christ , the beast, and all the details of what's going to happen during the tribulation the most. If they really believed in pretrib so strongly why spend so much time teaching about the book of Revelation and all the details about the tribulation if they and the church they are aiming their teaching at is not going to be here anyways?
Jimmy Evans, etc etc
@@worship2277 well i guess it has something to do with warning people and saving some from the wrath to come. Now you dont have an excuse to say you didnt know. and when i say you i dont mean you.
First,he is a liar. He laughed and said pretrib is demonically inspired when he was with FAI. Has he disassociated with them because of the scandals. He looks disheveled. He does not even know scripture. He is demonically pushed to try to discredit pretrib. I pray for him.
Who cares what kind of rapture it is... One day we know and till then all the guesswork benefits you nothing.
Maybe we should not forget about the Gospel, the salvation, the blood... and the command to preach the word and make disciples.
I find this rapture talk with all these people sitting in their cars, on their lawnmower, with their weekly update about made up dreams, visions and letters from God absurd (and they contradict each other...). That has nothing godly, nothing holy, nothing biblically and whatever people use in the Bible to justify it, it is nothing more than a side note. And then we should make it a side note in our lives as well. The big massage is Christ, the cross, the blood and we all bringing that message to others. You cant take 5% of His word, talk 100% about it and claim you are in His word. Thats absurd. If the Bible covers a topic by 5%, then spend 5% of your time with it. It was not more important to God than 5%, so why do we then make a big thing out of it?
100% God bless you
Maybe because he is steering people the wrong way?
Why are you here then?
Joel is deceived he's twisting scripture he says the pre trib teaching is demonic ,but he's unaware that his teaching is demonic and that the pre teib is very biblical
As far as i know remnant radio is not pre-trib. Who did the interview with Joel. He can allegorize scripture to fit his ideologies but i have a demon? Oy!
I am not comforted by him,😅 i noticed he didn't quote any scripture for his post trib view. I will pray for him 🙏 😔
Shane,Jesus following the footsteps of Moses,coming out of the desert,is an Islamic prophecy which says that Jesus will lead the Jews and Christians to Allah as the only god. He is demonically possessed when he begins to use Islamic scriptures as Christian scripture. We must pray for our enemies, even those possessed by the devil. He's not leading anyone to Jesus,he's leading them to perdition.
That’s interesting I was wondering why he focus on Jesus coming from Egypt.
Let the Scriptures speak for themselves, what the Lord and Paul spoke. It's obvious they didn't speak of a pretribulation rapture. When we read Matthew 24, Jesus said after the tribulation His Parousia, His coming with the angels and the gathering up together of His chosen ones. Paul put both the coming of Christ and gathering up together in same context. It's not about hating pretribbers but pointing out what the Word said.
It's very evident from the texts. When we read of the coming of Christ, we find THE PAROUSIA. The definite article in Greek identifies that particular event. Jesus and Paul did not need to differentiate between an earlier and a later coming, a secret and an open coming. Neither did their listeners nor readers need to differentiate between two. They need not specify, "I mean the first coming, not the later one." Or "Do you mean the secret one or the open one?" There will be that one Parousia translated Coming, read this term in the texts. There is no hint of a separate secret rapture in the words of Jesus and Paul. All the descriptions of the gathering up together were glorious, visible and powerful. With glorified physical bodies, we are no more spirit beings but visible in the air. And Jesus will be coming in the clouds with great glory and power, and in Jesus's words the whole thing will be visible like lightning across the sky. This truth was very clear to them and the early church. And since this is the truth according to their words, then a different doctrine of pretrib rapture is really the one that is not scriptural.
So based on your understanding do you believe we are spirits without bodies in Heaven?
@@blackswanrevelations
When we die, what happens to our bodies?
@@luketan7451 turn back to dust. Then we get our Heavenly bodies instantly. In the twinkling of an eye.
@@luketan7451 I’m asking you
@@blackswanrevelations correction, go read 1 Cor 15:23 and 1 Thess 4:16, about the resurrection of the dead. Those who died in Christ will return with Him at His coming, then be resurrected from dead and given a glorified new body. Those who will be alive will be changed. Then together in glorified bodies, we will be caught up to meet the Lord in the air. That's why Paul in 1 Thess 4:15 those who are alive will be no means precede those who died. The dead in Christ will return with Him, resurrected with new bodies, then caught up together with those yet alive. In heaven, we have only the spirits of departed saints. Here's when we get 'twinkling of an eye' 1 Cor 15:52 and for those still alive when Christ returns, not referring to the dead.
Show me where the bible SPECIFICALLY SAYS there will be a pre trib rapture. Where it says specifically by Paul John or Jesus where they say specifically, without confusion, word for word, that there will be a pre trib rapture. Not going back to Noah and the ark, not Enoch, not Elijah, etc. those are not specifically saying there is going to be a pretrib rapture that's just speculation.
Does not ordained unto wrath ring a bell?
@@blackswanrevelations who is to say that doesn't mean we're not ordained to the wrath of hell? Even there your jumping to conclusions. It doesn't specifically word for word say you won't go through the tribulation and suffer
I see nothing but bitterness in that man, I see no love at all. And he needs to buy a decent computer if he's going to use it to be on the air. He's not very considerate, I can't understand any he said, I'll have to take your word for it.
Is pre trib rapture a salvation issue? NO! I havent seen 100% proof for pre, mid or post trib rapture. I look at it like its more dangerous to teach pre trib than post because if you're wrong you are setting people up for unbelief when Things get tough. Joel does not believe anything that mormons believe. Who are you?
Thanks for your comment. This is exactly what I’m talking about. Believing Jesus coming back one day is not dangerous or cultic. It’s not.
With all do respect in my opinion this whole video I never once seen this guy back up anything he said with scripture! All I heard was him talking about things that absolutely made no sense too me, definitely not biblical! I'm blown away by individuals that come on You Tube and make videos like this! It made me wonder this, does this guy really believes what he's actually saying, or he knows exactly what he's doing, maybe purposely trying to decieve people? IDK, just a thought! And my apologies too him if that's what he really believes, if so you guys we really need too pray for this him! Just my thoughts ❤ u Jesus
saints now you are inferring we are spirits in heaven. Coming back for these dust bodies that were from the first Adam. It’s not true. BWe get our heavenly bodies from the second Adam.