I don't think I have ever witnessed anyone quite as entitled as Vallow is. And why does Pryor always look like he's sat in extremely uncomfortable underwear while having a bad smell under his nose?
Yes meeting after meeting about something else than the actual trial for their current charges and where are the murder charges?!!!!!! This makes USA's justice system looks like a theatre, a bad joke.
They have no way to prove her or chad killed anyone. Lori the only one left alive from when her 4th husband got killed. Then with the kids, their remains had deteriorated so much they couldn’t find cause of death. Without a cause of death there’s no way prove murder
@@benfuhs7332 Yes thos children killed themselved and after burried themselves to grave diggers garden. Its enough proof that they were last seen with Lori, Chad and Alex and found from grave diggers garden. It's all proof, so don't be fool. Everything is already proven and will be in court too and these 2 will get life in prison.
@@nacho_ncam I agree he’s probably not the best and brightest out there, but he speaks confidently, and unfortunately it looks like he just convinced the judge to sustain his motion
@@honeybunch5765 they won't charge them with murder until they find evidence they were involved, its sickening, we all know Lori had her children killed whether by her own hands or by someone else they should get life for it
@@cammey3 I understand but we also know others have been charged with murder without a body or zero evidence. The fact that they lied about the children's whereabouts should be enough to involve them with the killings. The fact that the children were on Chad's property should also be reason for charging them with the death of these children, telling people the kids were zombies and that zombies should be killed to free their souls sounds like a motive right there. They build cases on less, this is infuriating don't you think?
Lories lawyer loves hearing himself sound like he knows what he's talking about. Thing is he's only showing what a bad actor he is. I wouldn't hire this guy to defend my dog.
I am wondering if Lori is having affair with her lawyer. She is a master at manipulating men.Her lawyer is nuts with his b.s. It's as if Lori is the commander.
So many distractions. Reminds me of the Casey Anthony case. Stay Focused! Dont let anything distract from the FACT that two children were found deceased in parents back yard.
He is trying to drag that Summer Shiftlet thing back in because they are still sore they didn’t succeed in the attempt to remove Wood! Laughable Pryor saying he didn’t intend to be this long winded! He always comes across like he is threatening the judge!
Pryor is rude but apologetic every time he is in the courtroom in his second to nature passive aggressive way. Would you want to defend Chad Daybell who had to explain why two children were buried in his backyard and his step children no less by marriage. Yikes!
This man (Lori's lawyer)is a waste of air..Even Chads Lawyer is like WTH! Hes acting like Lori got sited for speeding...shes a murder...and hopefully charged and convicted in the near future!👊
I'm so glad the prosecutor is staying put. He is the whole case from A to z he knows what's going on could you imagine the postponements that would have happened if they changed and he's a very smart man and these attorneys know it.
This Means guy is ridiculous. Never say in 30 words what you can say in 30,000 is obviously his motto. He'll drive the Judge and Jury crazy, when it comes to trial.
MARK MEANS, WHEN LORI WAS ARRESTED A,T FIRST, POSTED ON YOU TUBE EASTERN STANDARD. (ABOUT 4 AM) TIME A VIDEO. IT APPEARED TO SHOW RATS ON AND SHIP DECK SLANTED RUNNING . RATS IN THE MORMON CHURCH ARE REFERENCED AND THIS WAS A THREAT TO PEOPLE WITNESSING OR NOT IN JAIL. MEANS SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED OR NOT ALLOWED TO REPRESENT FROM THE GET GO. MANY WERE AFRAID THEYD BE NEXT to be killed. Clearly intimidating witnesses.
I dont think that it is. Right now we are being given access to the process that is unprecedented in sorts. These hearings most of the time are out of the public eye. With RUclips and social media being at the height of thier respective influence, we now have the opportunity to see a lot of the processes we have only seen snippets of before We have not forgotten brother and sister dead. We have not forgotten a dead father. No one has taken their eye off of the ball
@@hearmenow909 yes, but they are defending their clients rigorously so that after the verdict, win or lose, their reputation will be boasted. Take Casey Anthony's attorney...cant remember his name off hand, but he became a bit of a celebrity after her case and got more business.
Lawyers argue. That's what they do. Today is Christmas 2021, Chad's not going to trial until maybe January 2023, Lori's still considered legally nuts until March 2022, when her committment order runs out. In the meantime, what we see is what we get: arguments.
This whole case is beyond ridiculous so sick of Mark Means and his theatrics. It's obvious he doesn't care that Lori killed or assisted in killing her children. Those poor babies did not cut themselves up and wrap themselves up with tape putting themselves in the ground in Chad's backyard
Defense attorneys serve a very critical purpose in our justice system. Without them we’d still be lynching innocent people without due process. When an attorney is accepted into a bar association, he/she is required by law to provide the best defense of their ability. If they were to do otherwise because they believe their clients are guilty, they would be disbarred and the defendant’s conviction would be overturned immediately. That is why we say “Justice is blind.” Having said that, I think it’s sweet karma that Lori’s lawyer sucks. 😏
@Redwood Rebelgirl I don't read your too long responses. You know nothing about justice or how justice systems around the world works. You will going to see these 2 will be locked 4ever, there is nothing but evidence and if not then USA's justice system is a joke like we have seen in many cases Kacy Anthony, OJ Simpson so on.
@Redwood Rebelgirl I didn't, just did read sentence which hit first to my eyes. And for you to know 7.4 they will announce more charges toward these 2 psychos. They really do have much evidence, they will also chrarge Lori for Charles murder, if not yet 7.4 then very soon... prosecutor already told that.
@Redwood Rebelgirl and for you to know about justice system, trial is there so the prosecutors can prosecute and defence can defend the one prosecuted, jury decides if there is enough evidence or not, that's why trials are for. Anyone can be prosecuted even if there is slightest evidence (in this case there is heavy evidences), then prosecuted either lose or wins the case in trial. If you think that prosecutor needs to have video footage of the murder itself before they can prosecute someone, you really don't know anything about the process and also don't have common sense .
Don'tchya know, he's a big man because he (or one of his false heroes) murdered a gorgeous, strong buck that didn't stand a chance against a human gun? VERY POOR TASTE, Means. What an eejit.
She waved her right again so she obviously isnt upset about meeting with her lawyer. .Like her lawyer is . Hmmm wonder what's up with that? Hmm RED FLAG TO ME !
@@htwing24 It starts about the 9:22 mark... the change in his expression is quite hilarious 😆..... it makes me wonder what Wood was thinking 🤨 in that moment but I think that look said it all!😂
She has the Constitutional right to private meetings with her attorney. The glass wall doesn’t deny her that right. The recorded calls absolutely do violate her right. It does seem that she definitely should be able to meet with her attorney in the attorney/client room (this is the room with the glass wall. I agree that turning off the security cameras is an overly broad request. The cell phone request seems like a sign of our pandemic-times and a slippery slope, although denying it doesn’t seem like a violation of her rights.
@@robinross5102 He is trying to make this case all about himself, that's why he is whining, crying and demanding extra meetings. He knows this is public case. Unfortunately, this will only backfire him and his career, in the end.
@@robinross5102 yes and I don't think Lori could afford better lawyer than him. I'm pretty sure she don't get child support payments anymore or what ever money she got 6000 $ a month before.
@@lindamyfatcatcow2606 but at least Casey Anthony WAS charged and had to suffer through the trial process, not knowing if she would in fact spend her life in prison. Lori should, at a minimum, be made to withstand that level of scrutiny. I know so many cases where people were in fact found guilty of murder with less evidence and without a body. So hopefully they are just waiting, making sure she is found guilty of the charges she is charged with, then will "find" evidence to charge her with murder or conspiracy, effectively putting the final nails in her coffin.
He's right that "this ship HAS sailed"!! He knows he's TOO WEAK to face this court battle if it EVER actually gets to court!! If he was on top of things he would be talking to the witnesses himself!!! He wants it all done FOR him!!
@@beckygifford2754 I like that idea! Let them have the info, it will not exonerate her. Plus, Rob Wood could talk circles around her manipulative sweet talk.
Lori: I want a cellphone 😭😭😭😭 Judge: I thought you had a portal,use that! I bet Charles, Tylee and Jj wished they had one to call for help, while they bled to death in your hands.
I don't understand. Wasn't this resolved yesterday? The way I see all of this is that the defence lawyers are trying to delay this case. And Wood has something that he is not saying. Could it be that he is waiting for all the motions to be resolved and bring a murder charge for Daybell?
Exactly!! I think muser charges are coming for both,since Tammy's autopsy report is back and they won't let the family see it.Lori will be charged to for instructing her brother to kill the kids.I bet the prosecutor has lots of proof,but waiting for pre trial stuff to end.Thats why Pryor and Means are complaining that Woods is hiding discovery.Those 2 lawyers are stewing over what Woods has.
Why don't Chad and Lori lawyers do their own interviews with these so called witnesses. They don't want to do their jobs. Stop the crap and just start the trials and put those two devil people away Justice for all that died because of those two. Justice for Tylee and JJ
@Kdot exactly. And also the defense doesn’t have access to the witnesses like the prosecution does. Witnesses that help the prosecution’s case are unlikely to meet with the defense.
People learn the law and your rights I bet if the cop asked you to get out of your car you would ! Without asking if you’re being put under arrest, and offer up I.d. If you’re the passenger in a car with an insurances, licensed driver too! Idiot
I think there is plenty of evidence out there to charge them with several premeditated murders and attempted murder. Also, there is a neighbor that used to regularly walk past Chad Daybell's house that is dead, that I think should be investigated. He was only in his early 60s.
because he is confused? The prosecutor must question witnesses to get at the truth of the matter. That doesn't make him a witness. It makes him the special prosecutor of this case.
Too bad the babies did not get this kind of justice...instead they got the shorten version with the so called parents being judge and jury,ending with a death penalty ...sick ,vile baby killers, who only wanted what they wanted,and they were in the way.
Lori must be looking rough for her to refuse camera time SMH her and her toad Chad are the "dark" souls! If I was in Jail for the same charges that miss queen 👑 of the 144,000 racked up and my lawyer thought 🤔 getting me a cellphone📱 in jail was "realistic" I'd start looking for another lawyer. I'm embarrassed for Mr means
we might make fun of her jolly rancher lipstick or she finally sees how BUTT UGLY her man is now that her children are dead and she has no money or visitors booked for her lifetime vacation..BECAUSE SHE KILLED THEM ALLLLLL...
She can't afford anything better, Means is happy to work for next to nothing if you ask me because this is his dream case. Lawyers are all smoke and mirrors in general, they like being dramatic and intimidating, court is one big theartre.
They are continuously trying to get rid of the prosecutor!!! Instead of proceeding with the trial, they just keep trying to get rid of him, as if that would be the end of it.
I know ....all I ever hear from him is blah blah blah blah never ending. The poor transcriptionist trying to keep up with him saying absolutely nothing.
Vallow and Daybells' lawyers are clutching at straws over minor issues because they know their clients' are guilty. It's interesting how Vallows' lawyer on several occasions cited several technicalities for the case to be dismissed entirely. His arguments are flimsy at best, which in turn make him and his client look very desperate. Lets' make this case very simple. Give both Vallow and Daybell the chair and be done with it.
The prosecution can not stop the defense from meeting with their clients. How do they even know when the defense is meeting, Mr. Means is very emotional.
This fool actually said, “His Grandmother’s Hotmail account???!!!” Ohhhh! The Judge should give the Prosecutor an automatic pass on popping him in the mouth. Prosecutor stay on top of this case. Do not let due dates for filings slip and give dumb, dumbs, any reasons to bring up any unnecessary filings for delaying in getting these trial dates started.
Not a tear. Remember her smiling and joking about oh what the neighbors must think after Charles's death at the house with the police. She was then smiling, dancing and celebrating with Chad in Hawaii after Tylee, and JJ were buried in Chad's yard along with Tammy and Alex's deaths. No remorse seen at all. Never seen anything so evil
Why is it suddenly not the defenses fault for not telling the jail that their talking to their client don't record the conversation, sounds like everyone else got the memo.
Means seems to be under the impression that his “I don’t wanna go down that road if we don’t have to” arguments are somehow a compelling argument. Yes his motions are annoying becs they’re 90% in bad faith, but the only one Means is really hurting is his own reputation.
judge you need to charge chad and lori for killing two kids and chads wife the have to pay for the crime the have done any one has to for there crime why have the not been charged of killing we all know who killed them judge why u let it go on so long here
Hasn't Mark Means exhausted Lori Vallows Purse with his billable hours yet then she can get a real lawyer AND we can get over all this rubbish????Mark Means is a sure thing for Appeal on the basis of incompetent counsel
I completely agree with the Court’s ruling that private audio attorney/client meetings be allowed. Even creeps have the Constitutional right to adequate legal counsel which Mr. Means seems to be. If he was asking for things she didn’t have a right to, then the judge would deny (such as cell phone and turning off security cameras.) The due process system can be frustrating, but it’s the best in the world and I expect everyone wants their Constitutional rights. Quick trials often open the door to favorable Appeals based upon judicial error violating defendants’ rights, so best to make a great record of adequate defense and upholding of Constitutional rights to avoid a retrial. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, no matter how unfair and cruel it seems to the victims and their families.
Im confused. These cases have been joined but each attorney has to file seperate paperwork. Seems to be stacked against the defense if that is the case since the prosecution can get 2 birds with one stone
Not sure how the US works but in my country a law degree is a law degree, they just choose to specialise in a certain area but they may take on all types of cases.
I don't think I have ever witnessed anyone quite as entitled as Vallow is.
And why does Pryor always look like he's sat in extremely uncomfortable underwear while having a bad smell under his nose?
🤣🤣🤣🤣
I think that "he" thinks that makes him look powerful, when in fact he looks like a buffoon.
@@aliciareyna4342 I agree with you
That's the face his parents gave him. ;]
@@robinross5102 I do too lololol
They need to go on with trial children need justice.
GUILTY
Absolutely!!!!
Yeah..we just want Justice for Tylie and JJ and ALL the others that were murdered!! GET OFF OF THIS AND ON WITH PROSECUTING THE SICK MURDERER'S!!!
All she needs to do is SAY her kids are alive ..
Mr Means ... It's focus ..YOU are an idiot.
Cell ? Really?...
Maybe if she says .. she killed her kids. Then maybe .. you can give her a cell phone.
Where are the murder charges? There are people dead here including children but yet we spend 2 hours trying to figure out how to communicate?
I also want to know. I wish someone can explain what this is all about are we going to ignore the lost of lives?
Yes meeting after meeting about something else than the actual trial for their current charges and where are the murder charges?!!!!!! This makes USA's justice system looks like a theatre, a bad joke.
Well said!!!!
They have no way to prove her or chad killed anyone. Lori the only one left alive from when her 4th husband got killed. Then with the kids, their remains had deteriorated so much they couldn’t find cause of death. Without a cause of death there’s no way prove murder
@@benfuhs7332 Yes thos children killed themselved and after burried themselves to grave diggers garden. Its enough proof that they were last seen with Lori, Chad and Alex and found from grave diggers garden. It's all proof, so don't be fool. Everything is already proven and will be in court too and these 2 will get life in prison.
Who else thinks Means thought he would make a name for himself on this case? Man it's backfiring horribly.
Say what you want about him, but he just won his motion
He's like the Mr. Bean of Defense attorneys.
even a broken clock is right twice a day, so it's not that impressive.
@@nacho_ncam I agree he’s probably not the best and brightest out there, but he speaks confidently, and unfortunately it looks like he just convinced the judge to sustain his motion
Maybe Lori should have saved some of all that money she collected from death policies on her multiple husband's for less inept counsel.
This case is becoming more and more about Means , sick of hearing of his demands , get on with the real case
No one has been charged with murder yet, I am starting to wonder if it will ever happen. This court case is becoming as weird as this cult.
@@honeybunch5765 they won't charge them with murder until they find evidence they were involved, its sickening, we all know Lori had her children killed whether by her own hands or by someone else they should get life for it
@@cammey3 I understand but we also know others have been charged with murder without a body or zero evidence. The fact that they lied about the children's whereabouts should be enough to involve them with the killings. The fact that the children were on Chad's property should also be reason for charging them with the death of these children, telling people the kids were zombies and that zombies should be killed to free their souls sounds like a motive right there. They build cases on less, this is infuriating don't you think?
@@honeybunch5765 💯
@@honeybunch5765 omg exactly! It’s beyond frustrating that these two have no been charged with murder yet!
Lories lawyer loves hearing himself sound like he knows what he's talking about. Thing is he's only showing what a bad actor he is. I wouldn't hire this guy to defend my dog.
He has never tried a criminal case. I would represent Lori better by telling to accept the death penalty
I'm glad you wouldn't choose him for your dog! Our pets deserve the best!!
@Almost Lancelot Ok Mr. Means. Whatever you say. 😉👌🏼
@Almost Lancelot that’s soooo old, couldn’t think of something better? SMH
Your dog is probably smarter.
Oh Lord here we go with Pryor saying he is not going to “harp on forever” but we all know he will!🙄😓
Prior looks like a big glob
Means and prior are delay delay delay...gimme gimme info
@@patriciailove3367 I'll give them info...murder charges for both thier clients
@@patriciailove3367 sort of like client, like atty .
I am wondering if Lori is having affair with her lawyer. She is a master at manipulating men.Her lawyer is nuts with his b.s. It's as if Lori is the commander.
Cathy Bena I have thought for some time Lori is directing the show Mark Means just does what Lori tells him to do.
I was thinking the same thing. He has the hots for Lori gory. Hes really hard up or being threatened by her.
I wouldnt be one bit Surprised! If they will be the next husband and wife!!!💯💯
I've been wondering the same. I wouldn't be surprised.
@@deloresmascari8597 I think Means has the hots for Gory and he is stupid
So many distractions. Reminds me of the Casey Anthony case. Stay Focused! Dont let anything distract from the FACT that two children were found deceased in parents back yard.
He is trying to drag that Summer Shiftlet thing back in because they are still sore they didn’t succeed in the attempt to remove Wood! Laughable Pryor saying he didn’t intend to be this long winded! He always comes across like he is threatening the judge!
Pryor is rude but apologetic every time he is in the courtroom in his second to nature passive aggressive way. Would you want to defend Chad Daybell who had to explain why two children were buried in his backyard and his step children no less by marriage. Yikes!
Both the Defense Attorneys are sleezeballs! They try to hide it, but it's _VERY_ obvious!
Pryor thinks that attack is the best defend. That's why he is always attacking everyone in the court room.
@@ramonafeisley5732 He had daybell sign over his house to him before he continued to be his lawyer LOL
@@goose7574 means is a real estate lawyer prior likes to drop things in then say sorry your honor when the judge keeps correcting him.
This man (Lori's lawyer)is a waste of air..Even Chads Lawyer is like WTH!
Hes acting like Lori got sited for speeding...shes a murder...and hopefully charged and convicted in the near future!👊
She is a serial killer just like Charles Manson. She got her brother and Chad to kill for her.
Throw the key away on them
@@honeybunch5765 I agree just like charlie .... evil too
I'm so glad the prosecutor is staying put. He is the whole case from A to z he knows what's going on could you imagine the postponements that would have happened if they changed and he's a very smart man and these attorneys know it.
Sounds to me these lawyers are scared to go up against Mr. Woods...lmao
Yes, and if you take off the s, they are terrified of Mr. Wood.
@@Wistful77 OMG It's the letter police !! ssssssssssssssss
This Means guy is ridiculous. Never say in 30 words what you can say in 30,000 is obviously his motto. He'll drive the Judge and Jury crazy, when it comes to trial.
For reallll😩🙄
Maybe the jury will tell Means to shut up
He loves his own voice. He loves to feel being relevant!
Means uses way too many words
MARK MEANS, WHEN LORI WAS ARRESTED A,T FIRST, POSTED ON YOU TUBE EASTERN STANDARD. (ABOUT 4 AM) TIME A VIDEO. IT APPEARED TO SHOW RATS ON AND SHIP DECK SLANTED RUNNING . RATS IN THE MORMON CHURCH ARE REFERENCED AND THIS WAS A THREAT TO PEOPLE WITNESSING OR NOT IN JAIL. MEANS SHOULD HAVE BEEN REMOVED OR NOT ALLOWED TO REPRESENT FROM THE GET GO. MANY WERE AFRAID THEYD BE NEXT to be killed. Clearly intimidating witnesses.
Sad this case is getting lost in the Lawyers arguing.
I dont think that it is. Right now we are being given access to the process that is unprecedented in sorts. These hearings most of the time are out of the public eye. With RUclips and social media being at the height of thier respective influence, we now have the opportunity to see a lot of the processes we have only seen snippets of before
We have not forgotten brother and sister dead. We have not forgotten a dead father. No one has taken their eye off of the ball
The defence are being disruptive because they have a weak defence.
@@hearmenow909 yes, but they are defending their clients rigorously so that after the verdict, win or lose, their reputation will be boasted.
Take Casey Anthony's attorney...cant remember his name off hand, but he became a bit of a celebrity after her case and got more business.
Lawyers argue. That's what they do. Today is Christmas 2021, Chad's not going to trial until maybe January 2023, Lori's still considered legally nuts until March 2022, when her committment order runs out. In the meantime, what we see is what we get: arguments.
this is what these scumbags lawyers want
Lori, Why you need a cellphone ??? Use your potty portal !!! Daahh !!!
👏🏼👍👏🏼
no closet in jail cell she has no portal and neither does dingbell.
This whole case is beyond ridiculous so sick of Mark Means and his theatrics.
It's obvious he doesn't care that Lori killed or assisted in killing her children.
Those poor babies did not cut themselves up and wrap themselves up with tape putting themselves in the ground in Chad's backyard
Defense attorneys serve a very critical purpose in our justice system. Without them we’d still be lynching innocent people without due process. When an attorney is accepted into a bar association, he/she is required by law to provide the best defense of their ability. If they were to do otherwise because they believe their clients are guilty, they would be disbarred and the defendant’s conviction would be overturned immediately. That is why we say “Justice is blind.”
Having said that, I think it’s sweet karma that Lori’s lawyer sucks. 😏
@@k8marlowe and because of them and the system (prosecuted has more rights than the victims) many guilty ones get away with their crimes.
@Redwood Rebelgirl I don't read your too long responses. You know nothing about justice or how justice systems around the world works.
You will going to see these 2 will be locked 4ever, there is nothing but evidence and if not then USA's justice system is a joke like we have seen in many cases Kacy Anthony, OJ Simpson so on.
@Redwood Rebelgirl I didn't, just did read sentence which hit first to my eyes. And for you to know 7.4 they will announce more charges toward these 2 psychos. They really do have much evidence, they will also chrarge Lori for Charles murder, if not yet 7.4 then very soon... prosecutor already told that.
@Redwood Rebelgirl and for you to know about justice system, trial is there so the prosecutors can prosecute and defence can defend the one prosecuted, jury decides if there is enough evidence or not, that's why trials are for. Anyone can be prosecuted even if there is slightest evidence (in this case there is heavy evidences), then prosecuted either lose or wins the case in trial.
If you think that prosecutor needs to have video footage of the murder itself before they can prosecute someone, you really don't know anything about the process and also don't have common sense .
I would like to know what's going on with the DNA on the duct tape
We will one day
Those antlers coming out of either side of Means head looks so appropriate!
Haha you are rite .s.a. ouma cath
Lol
Don'tchya know, he's a big man because he (or one of his false heroes) murdered a gorgeous, strong buck that didn't stand a chance against a human gun? VERY POOR TASTE, Means. What an eejit.
Your post had me look and 👏🏼👍👏🏼.
She waved her right again so she obviously isnt upset about meeting with her lawyer. .Like her lawyer is . Hmmm wonder what's up with that? Hmm RED FLAG TO ME !
Good observation.
I think this poor jury pool will be in quarantine again, during the trial.
He's stalling to figure out how to learn to be a criminal attorney and stay on her case for publicity.
She still meets with her attorney. She just isn’t present for the hearing.
That look Wood gave when Means said “his grandmother’s Hotmail account!”🤣🤣
I wish they could keep him from spouting off stupidity. That would cut his talking back significantly. He lovvves hearing himself talk
Its Laughable🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
What is the time Stamp on that?
@@htwing24 It starts about the 9:22 mark... the change in his expression is quite hilarious 😆..... it makes me wonder what Wood was thinking 🤨 in that moment but I think that look said it all!😂
Here we go again with Means and his attempt at “motion to disqualify “!🙄Oh gawd!
Sounds like the defense is getting desperate. Hopefully they lock Chad and Lori away for a very long time. Tylee and JJ deserve justice.
They're scared of Woods
So Mark Means wants a private place to sleep with Lori to aid her defense..........................ok
No doubt .......
Lmao 😂 basically yes but he’s being sneaky about it. Lol
She has the Constitutional right to private meetings with her attorney. The glass wall doesn’t deny her that right. The recorded calls absolutely do violate her right. It does seem that she definitely should be able to meet with her attorney in the attorney/client room (this is the room with the glass wall. I agree that turning off the security cameras is an overly broad request. The cell phone request seems like a sign of our pandemic-times and a slippery slope, although denying it doesn’t seem like a violation of her rights.
I find nothing to snicker about with this case. C’mon man, grow up.
Mark Means is such a whiner. He crys and complains about every single thing he can think of. Bet he complains of the food offerings soon.
I think he is just happy to spend Lori's money on any of her petty complaints. He's letting her bleed herself dry 💰
@@robinross5102 He is trying to make this case all about himself, that's why he is whining, crying and demanding extra meetings. He knows this is public case. Unfortunately, this will only backfire him and his career, in the end.
@@susanna8612 let's hope but I'm sure he doesn't mind milking her either
@@robinross5102 yes and I don't think Lori could afford better lawyer than him. I'm pretty sure she don't get child support payments anymore or what ever money she got 6000 $ a month before.
@@susanna8612 lol no doubt. All I can do is pray her and her toad get what's coming to them.
Soooo when is she getting charged with MURDER!!!!?!?!!!
Sadly I don’t think she will be charged .... it’s Casey Anthony all over again. Unbelievable, our justice system is a wreck.
@@lindamyfatcatcow2606 but at least Casey Anthony WAS charged and had to suffer through the trial process, not knowing if she would in fact spend her life in prison. Lori should, at a minimum, be made to withstand that level of scrutiny. I know so many cases where people were in fact found guilty of murder with less evidence and without a body. So hopefully they are just waiting, making sure she is found guilty of the charges she is charged with, then will "find" evidence to charge her with murder or conspiracy, effectively putting the final nails in her coffin.
Do you need some more cheese with that whine Mr Means?
He's right that "this ship HAS sailed"!! He knows he's TOO WEAK to face this court battle if it EVER actually gets to court!! If he was on top of things he would be talking to the witnesses himself!!! He wants it all done FOR him!!
Well said!👏🏻
Ii think Rob Wood should meet with Vallow and send the transcripts over to Means.
@@beckygifford2754 good one!
@@beckygifford2754 I like that idea! Let them have the info, it will not exonerate her. Plus, Rob Wood could talk circles around her manipulative sweet talk.
Prior is threatening Woods. Lori and Chad are murderers maybe he should let it go because it's a losing battle for Lori and Chad
Prior looks like he is constipated!!
He's sitting in his chair pooping
OMG....he does....😂🤣😂🤣
Lori: I want a cellphone 😭😭😭😭
Judge: I thought you had a portal,use that! I bet Charles, Tylee and Jj wished they had one to call for help, while they bled to death in your hands.
Here we go with the speculation again .......
@@MrPaultopp Lmao.. Speculation? What more do you want as far as evidence goes?
So he’s saying the prosecutor made himself a witness by interviewing witnesses???😂😂😂
That has never happened. It is his job to interview the witnesses. Barry Cox might be paying Beans and whispering dumb stuff in his ear.
@@Wistful77 barry doesn't have any money
They tried this in the durst trial too.
I'd like to think that a Sad Kitten is using a 'John Prior' Zoom filter.
hahahaha hah!
I think that Means would come across better and be more believable if he used a kitty filter!😸
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I wish Prior would relax his facial expression sometimes. ☺️
I'm worried that if he would his face would crack.
@@louann4992 you absolutely have a great point! I didn’t think about it, but you’re probably right. 😌
He always looks constipated!!
That's his serious Perry Mason face.
He always looks constipated
Jesus let's get this trial going already! Those children deserve justice.
Prosecutor is like “blah blah blah”
Stop stalling Mr Means😂
Exactly. The drama of it all. Cellphone?? Yeah right.
I admired mr. Wood calm and respectful nature🙏
I don't understand. Wasn't this resolved yesterday? The way I see all of this is that the defence lawyers are trying to delay this case. And Wood has something that he is not saying. Could it be that he is waiting for all the motions to be resolved and bring a murder charge for Daybell?
I like that idea. He's a sly fox, waiting his turn. He knows Mr. Beans isn't qualified for the actual trial.
Exactly!! I think muser charges are coming for both,since Tammy's autopsy report is back and they won't let the family see it.Lori will be charged to for instructing her brother to kill the kids.I bet the prosecutor has lots of proof,but waiting for pre trial stuff to end.Thats why Pryor and Means are complaining that Woods is hiding discovery.Those 2 lawyers are stewing over what Woods has.
This is what was covered yesterday..this is a rerun.
@@cathybenadaro I'm no US law expert but if he is stalling info wouldn't it be dismissed because he didn't pass it on when requested?
@@cathybenadaro good point they are running scared
Why don't Chad and Lori lawyers do their own interviews with these so called witnesses. They don't want to do their jobs. Stop the crap and just start the trials and put those two devil people away
Justice for all that died because of those two. Justice for Tylee and JJ
@Kdot exactly. And also the defense doesn’t have access to the witnesses like the prosecution does. Witnesses that help the prosecution’s case are unlikely to meet with the defense.
It seems ridiculous that out of town attorneys cannot contact the jail and reserve a room for meeting privately. That seems really disorganized.
Means and his temper when Wood makes sense!😂
People learn the law and your rights I bet if the cop asked you to get out of your car you would ! Without asking if you’re being put under arrest, and offer up I.d. If you’re the passenger in a car with an insurances, licensed driver too! Idiot
Who is this Means? Defense is bringing in ridiculous tactics.
Did Mr. Means read “How to be a Criminal Lawyer for Dummies?”
Yes he did indeed.
He must have. He must have been speed reading and missed several sections they were very important
Someone give mr means his dummy back he keeps throwing it out of his pram
😂👏🏼👍👏🏼😂
😂 I wonder how many Americans need this translated
I can’t even respond to this infantile comment......
😂🤣😁 That's so funny
I think there is plenty of evidence out there to charge them with several premeditated murders and attempted murder. Also, there is a neighbor that used to regularly walk past Chad Daybell's house that is dead, that I think should be investigated. He was only in his early 60s.
Sounds like you have evidence that could be important. I suggest you contact the authorities.
It's so cool that this court is actively live streaming it's hearings on RUclips. So practical and awesome
This prosecutor is a special prosecutor and is experienced. These other two are two bozos.
Means & Prior are going to make up for the lack of their defense with a lot of bluster and theater. FFS.
Pryor always looks like he wants to punch someone!
He looks like hes constipated!! lol
a constipated pitbull
@@robink.9966 Hahahaha RIGHT Robin K.!!
Somewhat like a fat tick that fell off your hound dog and is about to pop.
@@Wistful77 LMAO
Wood is a rock, please do not waver! goodness!
Means needs to be disbarred ..
He is giving her an excuse to call her lawyer incompetent.
I don't understand why defense says DA can't talk to witnesses
Because he has no idea how criminal cases work.
@@vickiekasafirek9096 Exactly. He's ridiculous.
because he is confused? The prosecutor must question witnesses to get at the truth of the matter. That doesn't make him a witness. It makes him the special prosecutor of this case.
Too bad the babies did not get this kind of justice...instead they got the shorten version with the so called parents being judge and jury,ending with a death penalty ...sick ,vile baby killers, who only wanted what they wanted,and they were in the way.
John Prior is sitting there listening to mark means and is thinking he’s got a win in the bag! Lori is gonna go down with that lawyer.
JUSTICE FOR TYLEE💜💜💜&JJ💙💙💙
Uh oh .... Mark Means asking for contraband for Lori again by with “limitations “ this time:🙄📲
The good old bullying tactic until he loses his confidence and gives up. Sorry boys.. But Mr. Woods' other name is Mr. STEEL!
Lori must be looking rough for her to refuse camera time SMH her and her toad Chad are the "dark" souls!
If I was in Jail for the same charges that miss queen 👑 of the 144,000 racked up and my lawyer thought 🤔 getting me a cellphone📱 in jail was "realistic" I'd start looking for another lawyer. I'm embarrassed for Mr means
we might make fun of her jolly rancher lipstick
or she finally sees how BUTT UGLY her man is now that her children are dead and she has no money or visitors booked for her lifetime vacation..BECAUSE SHE KILLED THEM ALLLLLL...
She can't afford anything better, Means is happy to work for next to nothing if you ask me because this is his dream case. Lawyers are all smoke and mirrors in general, they like being dramatic and intimidating, court is one big theartre.
She is not anointed she can't even tell how her kinds got murdered and doesn't seem worried about it.
They are continuously trying to get rid of the prosecutor!!! Instead of proceeding with the trial, they just keep trying to get rid of him, as if that would be the end of it.
Mr Means is getting on my nerves why is he stretching this out justice needs to come soon for those children.
Means Prior why is lories kids dead in the backyard of her hubby’s property
Pryor just loves to hear himself talk.
I know ....all I ever hear from him is blah blah blah blah never ending. The poor transcriptionist trying to keep up with him saying absolutely nothing.
MMeans is despicable!!
Vallow and Daybells' lawyers are clutching at straws over minor issues because they know their clients' are guilty. It's interesting how Vallows' lawyer on several occasions cited several technicalities for the case to be dismissed entirely. His arguments are flimsy at best, which in turn make him and his client look very desperate. Lets' make this case very simple. Give both Vallow and Daybell the chair and be done with it.
How long has this case been sitting in the court with no trial?
They have set the trial for either June or July.
DID JOHNNY BRING HIS SIT IN STATUE???? he hasn't even moved...lol
How can they argue about anything when every one knows what she did and two kids innocent are dead?!?
How the heck isn't this case over yet??? I've seen like 100 court videos already
yes and yet no one has been charged for the children's death. Wth is happening here?
The prosecution can not stop the defense from meeting with their clients. How do they even know when the defense is meeting, Mr. Means is very emotional.
This fool actually said, “His Grandmother’s Hotmail account???!!!” Ohhhh! The Judge should give the Prosecutor an automatic pass on popping him in the mouth.
Prosecutor stay on top of this case. Do not let due dates for filings slip and give dumb, dumbs, any reasons to bring up any unnecessary filings for delaying in getting these trial dates started.
Has she ever showed any emotions for her murdered children or anyone else for that matter, if that’s not guilt what is?
Amen
Not a tear. Remember her smiling and joking about oh what the neighbors must think after Charles's death at the house with the police. She was then smiling, dancing and celebrating with Chad in Hawaii after Tylee, and JJ were buried in Chad's yard along with Tammy and Alex's deaths. No remorse seen at all. Never seen anything so evil
Seriously, how long is this trial going to take. It has been over a year now right? The costs must be insane. Why is it taking so long?
I see that Mr. Means has updated the wall carcass trophy; it now has a shotgun mounted on it. Impressive.
i missed that! good catch.
Him with any kind of gun is scary lol.
Boys jus love showing their toys off
That's Idaho for you.
And I can say that because I live in Idaho. ;[
Get her an old fashioned phone..2 tin cans and a waxed string
👏🏻👏🏻lol😄
LMAOF
@Marishi Ten it was a joke..
@Marishi Ten your sense of humor needs an adjustment
Means needs to know how to communicate the way other lawyers have done since Lincoln. Grow up
Thank you for the notification!!!!
Blah blah blah who’s on trail these horrible humans or MR Wood. Seriously stop talking already.
Why is it suddenly not the defenses fault for not telling the jail that their talking to their client don't record the conversation, sounds like everyone else got the memo.
Means seems to be under the impression that his “I don’t wanna go down that road if we don’t have to” arguments are somehow a compelling argument.
Yes his motions are annoying becs they’re 90% in bad faith, but the only one Means is really hurting is his own reputation.
he wants to be lori's next husband
I just can’t listen to him anymore 🥱
Means needs to be off this case. He’s inexperienced and it shows.
Get on with it already. There have been murders committed. Stop protecting these child murderers.
Can someone not shut mr mean's big mouth!!!!! Such a big baby!!!! Justice for these children is what's important
In M Means time in practicing criminal law? He hasnt been a criminal lawyer. He is a civil lawyer.
Thats why he's stalling.
judge you need to charge chad and lori for killing two kids and chads wife the have to pay for the crime the have done any one has to for there crime why have the not been charged of killing we all know who killed them judge why u let it go on so long here
Lets not forget 2 ex husbands and a brother plus other suspicious deaths in loris family
Plot twist! Prior is sitting on a toilet! 😂
Really, none of this will make a difference on the guilt of these two in the long run.
Exactly, it will not turn the jury.
They are using stalling tactics and attacking Wood for anything because they know it’s not looking good!
@@imasheepbahbah3591 yep your right. What Prior and Means are hoping this case will not go to court. Lol right you 2.
I can not stand Prior! I think he is rude and unprofessional. Means is asking for wayyy too much regarding his communication/visits with Lori.
Whoa is me poor Lori...... your children are dead and were buried in your husbands backyard..........
Hasn't Mark Means exhausted Lori Vallows Purse with his billable hours yet then she can get a real lawyer AND we can get over all this rubbish????Mark Means is a sure thing for Appeal on the basis of incompetent counsel
I think he is cheap or free😃
This case is just going nowhere, it is taking forever.
I completely agree with the Court’s ruling that private audio attorney/client meetings be allowed. Even creeps have the Constitutional right to adequate legal counsel which Mr. Means seems to be. If he was asking for things she didn’t have a right to, then the judge would deny (such as cell phone and turning off security cameras.) The due process system can be frustrating, but it’s the best in the world and I expect everyone wants their Constitutional rights. Quick trials often open the door to favorable Appeals based upon judicial error violating defendants’ rights, so best to make a great record of adequate defense and upholding of Constitutional rights to avoid a retrial. It’s a marathon, not a sprint, no matter how unfair and cruel it seems to the victims and their families.
Im confused. These cases have been joined but each attorney has to file seperate paperwork. Seems to be stacked against the defense if that is the case since the prosecution can get 2 birds with one stone
Prosecution needs to follow the rules if we are going to get these people.
Honestly, I don't want to see any more from Chad and Laurie until murder charges are brought.
if i were a judge and had to listen to the rants of a whinny attorney like means i would pull my hair out
Then you would not be a judge!
Total professional for Prosecutor. Feels so great to have him balancing scales if justice for HI, Tylee, Charles, and Tammy.
Means/Pryor....blah, blah, blah.....
Means is operating at his level of incompetence
When does he breathe
Yes he is. He is trying to get a murderer off.
Does anyone know when the actual case goes to court or trial
July 12 2021
@@Suthernblooded1 not if Means and Prior keep doing what their doing it might be 2031 before this gets to trial
Exactly lol
It’s my understanding that Mr Means has NEVER tried a criminal case as he ISN’T a criminal lawyer.
Is it illegal for him to pose as a Criminal Lawyer?
Not sure how the US works but in my country a law degree is a law degree, they just choose to specialise in a certain area but they may take on all types of cases.
What's the hold up??🤬😡
Relevant evidence is 2 murdered children everything else is ridiculous arguing
Ugh. He’s still at it???