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To establish ANY language tree you have to be able to demonstrate the further you go back in time, the more similar the languages are to one another because, in theory, they all originated from one common ancestor. The exact opposite is true for the debunked Altaic language theory. The languages involved are less similar the further back in time you travel. Even though there are similarities between modern day Turkish and Mongolian and Korean and even Japanese, these similarities diminish or are even non-existent in earlier forms of these languages. This is a huge problem for the theory of the Altaic language family because if these languages are, in fact, related, they should originate from a common ancestor, and their similarities should logically increase, not decrease, as we go further back in time.
Fascinating! Thank you for sharing!
Explaining this to an altaist is like trying to explain to an ant how the Internet works
@@MYHONESTREACTION400 Most people believing in this are exterme Pan-Turkist and Pan-Turanist nationalists who even think Sumerians were Proto-Turkic.
@@MYHONESTREACTION400Why do Altaists even exist 😭 they’re kinda like the flat-Earthers of linguistics
I think that’s what the question marks are for
To be honest I think that languages might be coming from same place. They were probably living together long time ago but they seperated long time ago. And languages advenced differently.
The way you added the question marks scares me 💀
Because of the hypotheses ig
@@zera_61 aaaa
Tungusic people & Koreans shared a common history during the Balhae kingdom, Turks & Mongols under the great nomadic empires yet there isn't much in common linguistically
Turkic people and mongols share many linguistic similarities. It’s hard for non-speaker of those both languages to figure out them.
Tungusics were nomadics
@@muhammadjonzokirov8369 benzerlikleri ödünçlemeden kaynaklı. daha fazla benzerliği dravidan dilleriyle ve sannskritçe ile de bulursun. latinceyle de bulursun. çünkü Etrüskçe latinceyi etkiledi. yine hindistana giden Kuşanla Yeuçiler gibi Türkler sanskritçeyi ve dravidan dillerini etkiledi.
@@beebl yes but they were semi farmers too. not fully nomads, and they mostly related to the koreans and lived close together then the other nomadic groups.
@@hoolidii They are not related to these chinese people. U know nothing about them
Bro's summoning all haters from linguistics community 💀
btw, why Nanai instead of Manchu??
No one would've cared if this was just a linguistic issue, but the debunked Altaic hypothesis is like a holy thing to Pan-Turkists and Pan-Turanist for some reason and those guys are often nasty.
@@Ali-bu6lo For the Pan-Turanists, Altaism serves the political purpose for expansionism. It gives them a legitimacy that they can claim everything what's similar to their Pan-Turanist Altaic ideology 😏😌
@@Ali-bu6lo Thanks to the Turanists and Turkish nationalists this theory is so overhated.
@@MYHONESTREACTION400niye nolduda nefret ettin sana naptılar?!
@@melisay12 ?
You can clearly see even in the numbers that they are not related. Influenced sure, like djuer and dul, or dört and döröv. But they are too different to be related.
Numbers do not prove the similarity between languages. For example some numbers are the same in Turkish and Arabic but they are completely different languages
@@fenerlitilki6086 Yeah, that's what I am saying, but usually if a lot of the numbers are similar, they are related, not just one or two. I can't think of any languages with clearly similar numbers (like 8 out of 10) that are not related.
We are not talking about this. The Turkic family looks like each other because they separated later, but other countries separated from each other before and their language started to change every day. But still, they will all end up in the same place in the end.
@@YtubeShrts. "But still, they will all end up in the same place in the end." What do you mean?
@@aitokoojii1462 i used translate
Would be nice to have at least one Tungusic-speaking country.
Nanai is Tungusic
@josephkim689 but it's not an independent country
@@josephkim689it's part of Russia
Great Qing. The strongest Tungusic-speaking country
Korean is Proto Tungusic
İt should be more convenient if you had put Tuvan or Altai instead if Turkish because the accents of both are more similar
@@33y852 why? Here in this video Andy selected the most spoken language in each family
@@AsylumDaemonPoint is this, Turkish language mostly influenced by Arabic and Persian.For that reason,most of the words can't match with others
@@AsylumDaemon turkic languges around altai area/central asia and siberia is more accurate and close to the other languages here. tukish is far so different.
Why did you choose Arabic words when writing Turkish? As a Turk, no one talks like that, most of them are turkish don't even know what "Haysiyet" means.
This written text was created in 100% Native Turkish.
Bütün kişiler özgürlük, onur ve gerçekler bakımından eşit doğarlar. bilinç ve duygular edinmiştirler ve birbirlerine karşı kardeşlik düşüncesi ile yola çıkmalıdırlar
And wher is finnish language?
🇫🇮minä/🇦🇿men/🇬🇧me
🇫🇮minun/🇰🇿meniñ/🇬🇧my
🇫🇮sina/🇹🇲sen/🇬🇧you
🇫🇮sinun/🇹🇷senin/🇬🇧your
Hollly
The Finnish is so similar
the question marks in the title are so unserious 😭
I GET IT, IT CREEPS ME OUT- 😭 ✋
I mean, Altaic theory itself is unserious
@@johanngaiusisinwingazuluah2116no it isn't
@@siyacer it is
@@nhelv808 are you stuck in the stone age?
Hi Andy how are you you can respost your old videos like argentinean spanish and Scottish Gaelic Australian English Castilian Spanish and others please?
I can see why people would try to group Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic together, but I don't get why Korean and Japanese are included as well.
This is probably because of the construction of the sentence.
The Japanese and Koreans have a SOV formation like the Turks and Mongols.
Yes but still it's too few to consider them as "altaic". As long as I know Japanese and Korean are considered isolated languages, can anyone confirm?
@@A-au-i-gaya The evidence is not enough, for example, Chinese and English are also SVO formation...
@@tizgerard_9816 I'm not an expert, But I can easily see that Korean and Japanese are different from the other three languages.
@@A-au-i-gaya In very casual speech, Japanese and Korean are very similar to the other Altaic languages mainly because of the often agglutination and SOV order
For a kazakh speaker it's so interesting that there are some minor coincidences in our languages. The languages of peoples of similar appearance in this and that part of Asia and also some similar in terms of language structure.
For example, the Japanese word
yoshii = ii --- iygi--- good,
yakshi (good, kind) - - yasashi (kind),
khashu - hashiru (to escape)
The word "try" is formed by the auxiliary verb "to see" because Turkic, Mongolian, Korean-Japanese languages do not have or almost do not have modal verbs,
The strange similarity I have found out lately is particles that are added to the end of a sentence and change its character to varying degrees. This occurs in Chinese and Japanese as well as in Kazakh.
For example: Men baram ( I will go)
Men baram goy - I will go you know (expressing joy and assertion)
Men baram da - Me going, who else (expressing unwillingness)
Men baram she - I am going, soo... (expressing emphasis)
Men baram bar go - I am going you know (masculine childish)
Men baram ao - I guess I will go (expressing uncertainty)
Men baram sira - I think I will go (elder's expression)
Men baram ya - I will go, ok
The lack of initial -r and -l sounds in words. We borrowed a few -r, -l beginning words from arabic and persian like: rakhat (joy), irenki (colour), lawazum (position)
The negative suffix attached to the verb is -ma+y in my mother tongue kazakh, Japanese -nai, Korean -ani: men kala almay (I can't stay).
Negative imperative suffix -ma, for example: don't do - jasama, Korean hajima, Japanese suruna.
Forming the word "please" using the words: beru, jiberu (to give),
for example: in Kazakh: ayti-p jiber-shi (please tell, word for word is "say give+honorific suffix") - Korean malha-e ju-seyo (from the word "juda" - give word for word is "say give+honorific suffix").
Munaw men-iki translates as "This is mine" directly to Mongolian - ene mini-ikh, Korean geugeoseun nae-kkeo.
Interrogative particles at the end of the sentence ma? me? ba? be? (kazakh), be? ve? (mongolian), ka, kka (japanese, korean), me (chinese).
Kazakh: Kim de kelmedi (Who too came not) translate to english: Noone came, we put particle "de" for "too" also to construct negative sentence . The same way koreans and japanese do: Dare mo konakatta (Who too came not).
Expression of onomatopoeia: durus-durus in kazakh means the sound of heart beat; korean dugun-dugun, japanese doki-doki. Jalt-jalt - bright, gur-gur - loud sound, man-man - clumsy move and etc. We also tend to double the word to express english 'every' and 'each': uy-uy --- each house, tukpir-tukpir --- every corner;
A presence of vowel harmony.
I am indifferent if the Altai theory is true or not. It's so odd to see them here and there. But honorific system in korean and japanese is totally alien to us and the lack of a distinction between the liquid /r/ and /l/.
Is Nanai more spoken than Manchu?
Yes. But Xibe is very close to Manchu and is the most spoken Tungusic language.
Manchu isnt spoken anymore as far as I know
@@rvat2003Sibe and Manchu come from the same language(Jurchen)
manchu is nearly extinct
“Austric team” here: Austroasiatic, Hmong-Mien, Austro-Tai (Austronesian + Tai-Kadai). Japonic and Ainu were sometimes included within Austro-Tai group, and the entire Austric superfamily was further proposed to be related to “Dené-Caucasian superfamily” which includes Sino-Tibetan, North Caucasian, Yeniseian, and Na-Dané in North America, forming a macrofamily called “Dené-Daic”. Such a big team! 😂
Altaic was also proposed to be related to Uralic forming “Ural-Altaic superfamily”, and Ural-Altaic was further proposed to be related to Dravidian, Indo-European, Afroasiatic, Eskaleut, etc., forming a macrofamily called “Nostratic”.
Then two teams, Dené-Daic and Nostratic joined a super-macrofamily called “Borean” which included almost all languages on earth. 😂
These are obsolete proposals in historical linguistics but interesting anyway.
It is plausible (but still unproven) that the Austronesian and Tai-Kadai languages are distantly related.
And finally, Borean gets somehow linked magically to Amerind, Papuan & Khoisan, and we have the Sapiens hyperfamily. Just eyeopening. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
we tibetans are related to ainu's but somehow our language is in the same group as chinese 😂
@here2250 I'm personally not super well versed in linguistics, but if you look at pronouns, numbers, and other core vocabulary in Tibetan and Chinese languages, it is clear that they share many cognates, which makes sense because the Tibetan and Chinese languages split off a long time ago from common ancestors.
But I'm not sure why you think Tibetan and Ainu are related? They don't share any cognates, grammatical features, or even history.
@@vincentxiao1836 The Ainu and Tibetan languages do not seem to be related, but DNA studies have found some common ancestry between Ainu and Tibetan people.
Nanayca Moğolca biraz birbirine benziyor. Onun dışında burada benim anadilim Türkçe'ye benzeyen bir dil göremedim. Yapısal olarak benziyorlar ama sözcük bakımından farklılar.
Hepsi birbirinden alakasız,lakin avrupa dilleri birbirine çok daha benzer,bu yüzden altay dili teorisinin kesinlikle doğru olmadığını düşünüyorum,Türkçenin dil ailesi Türk dilleridir.
@@SmokeyMountain0 Evet, bu konuda size katılıyorum. Türkçe'nin varlığı birçok Altay dilinin iki katı daha fazla süredir var.
@@33y852 Türkçenin dil ailesi Türk dilleri değil de ne Kürtçe mi? Ne saçmalıyorsun?
@@ayg6694yapmayın tükçeden bahsediyoruz bu dediğiniz mantıklı değil
@@SmokeyMountain0 Мен де сізбен келісемін. Қандай да ұқсастықты көріп тұрған жоқ. Ара-арасында ғана кездейсоқ ұқсастықтары ғана бар. Бірақ өзгешелік одан да көп екен. Бұл Алтай тілдер сұрағын мүлде жауып тастаса игі болар еді. Одан да ортатілдік идеяны дамытып, парсы сөздерінен айнып, түпкі түркі сөздерді қайта жаңғыртумен айналыссақ мәдениетімізге пайдасы көбірек болар еді.
As a Turk, I do not believe in the theory of Altaic languages, but there may be a connection in terms of racial origin. Maybe tens of thousands of years ago, our ancestors were one, but we may have diverged later. There is a blood connection, but this does not show that we come from the same origin. We are very different from each other both phenotypically and linguistically. For example, Mongolians' eyes are very slanted, they have wheatish skin and their cheekbones are very high. Japanese people tend to have white skin and a Tibetan or Austronesian phenotype. Koreans also have white skin, but their eyes are more curved and slanted. As for Turkic people, they have less slanted eyes and generally have auburn skin color. They also have more of a Yamnaya cultural heritage, unlike others. For example, among the Turks during the Gokturk period, people with slanted eyes but blonde hair or blue eyes were seen. In short, we are all different from each other and there is nothing acceptable about the theory of Altaic languages.
Ancient Genome of Empress Ashina（she
is the daughter of Muqan qagan ) reveals the royal family of Goktürk Khanate originated form Northeast Asia, very close to inner mongolia and Manchuria. Although ancient gokturk mongolian and Korean share close dna, their languages are completely different.
Turkic peoples are more caucasoid as a result of Iranic admixture.
Ne anlatıyon lan?? İlaçlarını al ya da yazma
really? wow - I diidnt know that only iranic people are caucasoid@@IranLur
I saw turkic culture, it's beautiful Although i didn't explore it extensively but one thing i like about it is their traditional hat tepilikli Fez(?) It looks beautiful to me and many many more but while exploring their culture i don't see any similarities with the Japanese and turkic.
for example, turkic culture have braid culture while the Japanese don't, Japanese have rock art while the turkic don't but i think Japanese have little turkic connection through yayoi and yayoi came from korea where their origin is from China since China have turkic population like uyghurs, one of the few turkic connection they have is shinto because shinto is similar to tengrism but shinto is mixed and more influenced by austronesian spirituality like indigenious austronesian belief, anito and it's obvious because they have lots of similarities with austronesians from rock art, tattoo culture, even folklores and deities ❤️ Shinto is mixed with turkic shamanism (yayoi) and austronesian animism (jomon)
Moğolcayla çok benzerlikler var. Tabi bunlar sayılarla anlaşılmıyor.
Bu ülkelerin tek ortak noktası kelime diziliş şekilleri aynı. Öznesi nesnesi yüklemi neredeyse hepsi aynı.
Not: dikkatimi çeken bir husus da Türkçede kökeni arapça olan "insan" kelimesi korece "ingan" japonca "ningan" olması tesadüf değildir sanırım. Etimolojk çalışmaların yeterszliğine bir örnek olmalı bu.
@@user-ch1pl4ef3v yanlış anladınız sanırım. Kastettiğim bazı benzerliklerin var olduğu ama sayılara bakılarak anlaşılmadığını demek istedim. Ayrıca Hint-Avrupa ile uzaktan yakından bir ilişkisi yok.
Both the Japanese and Korean words for “human” are Sino-Xenic loanwords from Middle Chinese 人間 (Nyin kean|keanH). Languages that are close to each other eventually influence each other, that’s called a Sprachbund.
Eski çağlarda birbirine yakın olan dillerin benzeşmesi gibi daha olağan bişi olamaz
İkincisi ise tümüyle tesadüf
@@duyguerden6886evet bu yüzden çok eksik bi dil
Sadece ödünç almış kelimerden bahis ediyorson , Swadesh listesinde yakınlık 2,6% çıkyor yani Moğolcanın bir ilgisi yoktur Türkçe ile
How about comparing the indigenous languages of Taiwan or proto-austronesian and Japanese?
No similarities at all
@@goulven05 There will be similarities. Reduplication, the agglutination, making of words. Compare hawaii with japanese.
These languages are not related, but they are sprachbund
A lot of people like to overemphasize the similarities between Korean and Chinese, when there aren’t many. Koreans are linguistically and genetically closer to Manchus and Mongols than to Chinese people. Hell, Koreans are their own ethnolingustic group.
Korean Y dna is 50 percent O3, which is obviously sino-Tibetan. Japanese Y dna is 50 percent D.
Halogroup C of korean people is less than 20 percent. And most of them are not C2c as which 50 percent Mongolian people have.
Mongolian people have a lot west Eurasia genetic heritage, which cannot be detected in Korean people.
I can’t see a lot paternal heritage korean and Mongolian people have. Maybe you mean the maternal side heritage?
@@zhangshujian7762 Eurasian from Eastern Iranic peoples who migrated into Mongolia before the Xiongnu era
Koreans are NOT genetically similar to Mongols. Chinese are more closer to Mongols genetically, this could have been due to 100 years of Mongol rule called the Yuan Dynasty. But linguistically Mongolian is very different from Chinese and more similar to Korean.
@@CrabTastingMan genetically Koreans, Manchus, and Mongols are cousins. Much more closely related to each other than any Chinese ethnic group. Stay mad.
@@CrabTastingManMongolian and Han Chinese “similar” because Mongolian maternal genes，they y dna are not similar
I hear some similar verb suffixes used for conjunctive conjugation between Korean and Nanai like "Ko/Ku" or "Myeo".
Nice East Eur/asian comparisons
Turkiye is Asia in accurately.
When Temüjin was a boy, the center of the steppe world was the Orkhon Valley, the old imperial site of the Türks. The valley was dominated by the Kereit. To the west, on the upper Irtysh River, lay Naiman territory. The Kereit and Naiman, not the Mongols, were masters of the steppe. The Kereit and Naiman elites spoke Turkic and had partially converted to Christianity under the influence of the Nestorian Church. In an effort to out do each other, To'oril of the Kereit and Tayang Qan of the Naiman accumulated men, weapons, alliances, and prestige. Yesügei Ba'atur sided with the Kereit. Later Chinggis Khan would subdue the Kereit and the Naiman in the course of a protracted effort to defeat all challengers among the steppe peoples.
The Horde How the Mongols Changed the World
Marie Favereau, p.32-33
Before ..it was time of Gök Turks to dominate the region
Marie Favereau just took the side of one opinion and she made so many errors. Khereids and Naimans were the same people as Borjigin, Khiad, Khamag Mongol, Taichuud etc. All spoke the same Mongolic language and all shared the same roots. Sorry to disappoint you. Naimans went to Sogdia, yes. Khereids went to today's Kazakh lands. But my family is Naiman and have been always in Mongolia and we were never Turk.
The altayic language theory is true. There are a few similar words in all of them.
For example:
bal🇹🇷🇰🇿🇰🇬 bal🇲🇳(honey)
Baba🇹🇷 bābā🇨🇳(dad)
Batyr🇰🇿 🇲🇳batyr(warrior)
Han🇰🇿 han🇰🇷 han🇲🇳(leader)
Su🇰🇿🇹🇷🇰🇬 su🇨🇳(ancient chinese) (water)
Dört🇹🇷 Döröv🇲🇳
If you'll research, you find more
similar words doesnt mean anything. 80% of vietnamese vocabulary is chinese, but they're not related languages. its commonplace for languages that were spoken in the same area for a long time to share words, that's why english has so many french words.
Batyr- persian word, you say “baba” only in Anatolia, han doesn’t mean the same for Korean, it’s “suv” in Turkish and “sui” in Chinese, there is no evidence that “dört” is the old or the original way to say it.
Take the most important words: fire, soul, child, eye, sky. They are not even close in those languagez
Words like Baba (dad) , duniya (world) , bazaar (market), adalat (court), jung (war) are also shared between Urdu 🇵🇰 and Turkish 🇹🇷 with this argument you can't call Turkish altaic and Pakistani indo Aryan languages as same.
@@Nagvanshieus bazar, adalat, jund are indo european words. But baba is turkic word. The word "baba" is used in old turkic scripts
@@honsuaman8743 i know. I just give a little example. And the word baba is also used in other languages. For example it used in kazakh, uzbek, kyryz languages. Even chinese use it with meaning "father".
Japanese and Korean are not Altaic Language obviously, however, they maybe highly influenced by it
@@cheerful_crop_circle no
Japanese is very obviously an Australian Aboriginal language @@cheerful_crop_circle
Influenced how? Turkish, Manchu and Japanese have roughly 0 (zero) cognate with each other. Fundamental sentence structure isn't something you "pick up" from a close-by language, either.
@@rockandyrollsson6159 They're not related, but yeah assuming a Sprachbund for their syntax is just as problematic
@@cheerful_crop_circleaustro means south btw
nanai speeks with russian accent
Not only this,but also 30% or more words are russian borrowings(Saying as a russian /Kazakh native speaker)
@@arthasmenetil3068 that's obviously going to be the case as the language is spoken in Russia and has a small number of speakers.
Göktürkler’den gelen Japon dili diye bir kitap var.Türk dilleri ile Moğolca çok benzer ama bunu buradan iki satır okuyarak aaa aynı ya da farklı demek yanlış.her işin bir ilmi var bu benzerlikleri ya da farklıları anlamak uzun uğraş gerektirir.bizim gibi konunun uzmanı olmayan insanların bunu fark etmesi zor
흥미롭습니다 😊
are you an Altai ?
@@ruuu58 No, I'm Korean 🙂
Koreans are also altai and love from hazaristan🔵⚪🟡🤝🇰🇷@@sooyonkang
@@Matthaus9 the altai grouping is not real
@@nhelv808 Source:
Zidane's hair😏
Turkics have 330 million population around world. Turkish belongs to Turkic language family. we are huge enough and we do not need to be in another language family
Turkish language is a true nomadic language. It is built on understanding a lot with little effort.
Japanese _kuro_ , Turkish _kara_ , Mongol _khar_ (black).
In Japanese, kara means "from" or "because"
It is because of ancient contact but that doesnt mean they're related
Black : in Korean
Kaman. Keomun
Black : in Goguryeo
Kemer. Kamu
Black : in Baekje
Kamur.
@becen6570 nerd.
@@cheerful_crop_circleKara? means "where?" So, it may be
Where?
From ...
Innit?
The last two languages are the only languages most people are familiar with
Yes
and how are they similar? Starting from 1 ending with 10 there is no similarity at all
4 😂. At least the grammar is similar
He chose the wrong words for Japanese.
Korean and Japanese? Not even one bit close for consideration of altaic! they might be influenced by turkic and tungusic due to interactions but there is nothing common
@@cheerful_crop_circle Korean is a isolate language. Korean is unique as no language is similar to Korean.
But koreans and japanese interreacted with chinese for 14 or more centuries, how come their chinese didn't influence their grammar structure?
Yeah, not related.
@@alanay Taught ≠ Right.
Not similarity
I thought the Cyrillic alphabet was still widely used in Mongolia. Isn't it anymore?
Yes it is still the mostly used alphabet
I know linguists tried to find what family of languages Japanese could be related to and this altaic connection was proposed. But I think they dropped it pretty quickly.
For now japanese remains an isolated language, like Basque.
Japanese doesnt even come from the Altaic region originally.
Would be interesting to compare their historical varieties, aka Old Turkic, Old Mongolic, Jurchen, Old Korean and Old Japanese.
Old Korean: ruclips.net/video/DXjsp5s2BS0/видео.html
Old Japanese: ruclips.net/video/NzwmtkEzAo0/видео.html
Wouldn't make a difference. Those Japanese numbers are from Old Japanaese and those Turkish numbers are from the original Turkic language. etc etc In fact it will be even more different from one another as we know from studies on the Altaic theory have shown they become more and more dissimilar in grammar and vocabulary as we go back in time, which is the opposite of a language family.
I wasn't arguing about Altaic though, just said that it would be interesting.
Not all members of the Altaic language family are Turkic. Mongolians (Khalkh, Buryat, etc) are all Mongolic, Koreans are Koreanic, Yamato Japanese and Ryukyuans are Japonic, etc.
@@Dom_om_nom My guy, the “Altaic language family” has been debunked numerous times. It’s just pseudo-linguistics at this point
@@goulven05 It has not been officially debunked lmao
Such a thing does not exist externally. These cultures have been formed separately. (You cant apply what the Indo-Europeans did to other peoples)
Tungusic people = Korean
@@AnimatedTreasure No
They are related to Old Sinitic people. Because their Ancestor origin is from Sinitic. Also, Japanese
@@누리가온가르다라 yas time to report that guy
Turkish translation in this text is very flawed, it sounds unnatural and has a lot of loanwords used in contrary to native words
I couldn't agree more with you!
There is no really good video on RUclips about the Tungusic bewilderment! But I have a link here for one: "(The Manchu language, casually spoken | Shihuan, Ronglu, and Shiyu speaking Manchu | Wikitongues)"
The title makes me look back at whether it’s April fools 🤣
I'd be interested in a comparison of Korean w/ 1 or more of the Dravidian languages, too (there's not enough evidence to prove a genetic relationship, as w/ the Altaic hypothesis, but a connection has been postulated here, as well).
Some languages in the vast area, covered by those speaking languages once normally put under the term "Altaic," probably are related (but not all), but it'd be hard to ever fully work out these relations, as it's also a strong sprachbund, & that (together w/ a late written record, for many of the languages concerned, & multiple migrations &/or trade relations, etc., that are obscured by time) muddles efforts to uncover such relations.
Thanks for the enjoyable video!
questions marks 😂
Japonca sayılar bildiğimden farklıydı
Japonca köklü sayıları kullanmış, günlük hayatta çinçe kökenli sayılar da kullanılıyor
@@Jote_09 ichi ni san shi go roku diye giden sayılar mı?
@@nitrogen1881 evet kantonca sayılara göz at hepsi çok benziyor
@@nitrogen1881 evet, kantonca sayılara göz at çok benziyor
Those are the original Japanese numbers before chinese influence
Some numbers for Turkic, Mongolian and Tungusic seem similar, for example:
Turkic: iki
Mongolic: khoyor
Turkic: üç
Mongolian: gurav
Turkic: dört
Mongolian: döröv
Nanai: duin
Mongolian: tav
Nanai: tojngga
Turkish: on
Mongolian: arav
Nanai: djoan
Long Live Altaic Union 🇹🇷🇦🇿🇺🇿🇹🇲🇰🇿🇰🇬🇲🇳🇰🇷🇯🇵
Sorry altaic doesn't exist
@@MYHONESTREACTION400Çekemiyorsan git! Bizi kıskanma!
Yok böyle bi pok vazgeçin bu hayaldan
@@Tokyo2905 seninki yok diye bizimkini de mi yok etmeye çalışıyorsun
@@Tokyo2905 niye senin hayalin gerçek olmadı diye bizimkini de mi hayal sandın?çok yazık çünkü bizimki gerçek hayal değil.
I love to study languages, but they can to speak more slow to us undertand better their pronuncies and phonetics.
Isn't the woman who dubbed the Turkish language Turkish? She couldn't pronounce it properly.
Nah
In Robbeets and Savelyev, ed. (2020) there was a concerted effort to distinguish "Altaic" as a subgroup of "Transeurasian" consisting only of Turkic, Mongolic, and Tungusic, while retaining "Transeurasian" as "Altaic" plus Japonic and Koreanic.
Mind you, these language supergroups are entirely theoretical and not proven in any meaningful way.
@@GustafUNLaccording to Eurocentristics☕️☕️☕️
@@AltaicGigachad Okay mister delusional, what is your hard evidence of this proven theory then my guy? I don't see why you'd even want that to be the case, which you obviously do since you believe it despite there being no even remotely good evidence for it.
And how is that even Eurocentric? It's not like anyone's saying all languages came from Europe, we're saying there's no good evidence for the Language family supergroup you propose, and if some modern families were related in such supergroups then the common ancestor existed so long ago that we have literally no way of knowing. What exactly is Eurocentric in that statement?
@@GustafUNL I’m not a linguist but Sergei Starostin, Anna V. Dybo, and Oleg A. Mudrak can tell you. Proto Turkic, proto Tungusic and Proto (Para) Mongolic are similar to each other.
Not to mention how the proposed Transeurasian Languages theory makes more use of evidence other than linguistic (e.g. archeological findings and genetic analysis), making it a more grounded theory compared to Altaic.
it would have been more correct to add Kazakh or Kyrgyz to the Turkic language. Because the Turkish language accent is very soft, Kazakh sounds closer to Mongolian
It is true that Japanese has many similarities with the languages of Oceania. There are also similarities with Maori. It may be difficult to classify because it is a mixture of Altaic languages from the continent and languages from Oceania.
Andy, please compare Japanese with Polynesian and Melanesian languages sometime.
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Oceania?
Have languages?
I thought all of them is white people
@@SelainToken-sk1yn Wrong
Your source: It’s true, just trust me bro. My guy, Japanese is Japonic; it’s not related to any other language family at all. Stop spreading your pseudo-linguistic lies and read a book.
@@cocaineminor4420 Nope there’s natives too
Turks be like: YAAAAAAAHHH ALTAIC BROTHER RAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH
This is a myth we learn at school as if it is a fact. My teacher also told us this is a family in highschool
AHHAHAHHA LMAO
@@Jote_09
Is that how the teacher teaches in Tukiye?
* I live in Korea.
@@Jote_09 it's not just Turkey. In Korea and Russia, they list Altaic as a language family in books for middle/high school.
@@AnimatedTreasure and where are you from?
한국어와 일본어의 어휘는 중국어와 비교하는게 더 유사성이 있을것 같아요.
Finno Ugric and Native Languages also relative
The author should to show similar words in every altaic langauge not numbers
Just showing similar words is meaningless. If you need to see language relation, look at the linguistic and genetic relationship between languages. Then you'll see they are nowhere related.
Great video.
Well, Do Altaists need more proof that these languages are not related at all?
@@Seyfo-kunAnimecix It means nothing, it's like say Japanese is a Romance language because Italians and Spanish can read it. If you aren't able to prove these ''similarities'' can be traced to a common ancestor then there's no genetic connection.
To prove a genealogical relationship between two languages or language families, a handful-or even a bushelful-of "sufficiently plausible" evidence is not enough. Linguistic relationships are demonstrated by large bodies (as large as the existing sources allow) of systematic correspondences in sounds, lexicon, semantics, morphology, and syntax (Altaic has none of them) . At the absolute least, in sounds/words, but morphological evidence is very important where available. Moreover, you have to prove the further you go back in time, the more similar the languages are to one another because that's how EVERY linguistic family works.
Maan, the Mongolian is soooo similar to turkic languages not gonna lie
Altaic language is beatiful
🇹🇷🇰🇷🇲🇳🇰🇿🇰🇬🇺🇿🇯🇵🇦🇿🇹🇲🇹🇯
The last flag isn't altaic
there is no something like Altaic languages
These comments are going to be spicy 😨
十 in hiragana is written as とお "too", not とう "tou"
Hmm…. After watching this video, I wonder how much evidence is possible for the existence of the Altaic language. You see, the vocabulary for numbers is not the similar among the five shown languages.
How did these languages belong to the Altaic group? All I know is that these are historically related to each other, and the Altaic languages are Turkish-derived like Kazakh, Kyrgyz, Uzbek, Turkmen, etc...
These languages are grouped in Altaic due to some similar features, which led some linguists to argue the relationship was genetic, though currently most linguists argue that the similarities came through contact.
Wow
Turkish Airlines
MIAT
Korean Airlines
Japan Airlines
Koreans and Japanese’s ain’t Altaic but still Gigachad Altaic’s 🌝
The Altay family failed
1-"While 'Altaic' is repeated in encyclopedias and handbooks most specialists in these languages no longer believe that the three traditional supposed Altaic groups, Turkic, Mongolian and Tungusic, are related." Lyle Campbell & Mauricio J. Mixco, A Glossary of Historical Linguistics (2007, University of Utah Press), pg. 7.
2-"When cognates proved not to be valid, Altaic was abandoned, and the received view now is that Turkic, Mongolian, and Tungusic are unrelated." Johanna Nichols, Linguistic Diversity in Space and Time (1992, Chicago), pg. 4.
3- "Careful examination indicates that the established families, Turkic, Mongolian, and Tungusic, form a linguistic area (called Altaic)...Sufficient criteria have not been given that would justify talking of a genetic relationship here." R.M.W. Dixon, The Rise and Fall of Languages (1997, Cambridge), pg. 32.
4-"...[T]his selection of features does not provide good evidence for common descent" and "we can observe convergence rather than divergence between Turkic and Mongolic languages-a pattern than is easily explainable by borrowing and diffusion rather than common descent", Asya Pereltsvaig, Languages of the World, An Introduction (2012, Cambridge) has a good discussion of the Altaic hypothesis (pp. 211-216).
5-a non-existing language family"
The End of altai controversy
Alexander Vovin.
6-
"When cognates proved not to be valid, Altaic was abandoned"
-Nichols, Linguistic Diversity in Space and Time
Well put, kudos to you 👏👏👏
She seems to be a very educated person. what country are you from ?@@goulven05
Ben Irak Türklerindenim,
I am a philologist, I am interested in the Turkic languages. The Altaic family failed to pass the tests of the Swadesh list and the Leipzig-Jakarta list of least borrowed words, which are used to verify kinship between languages, and therefore it is not a linguistic family. Rather, it is a Sprachbund.@@33y852
Could we compare with other languages as well?
Phonetically they have similarities albeit far. But the newer term Trans Eurasian language came by linguist using Bayesian analysis
“Trans-Eurasian” doesn’t exist, it’s just pseudo-linguistic knowledge trying to group languages that aren’t related at all
Japanese sound austronesian to me...
No it doesn't.. at all.
Superficially, slightly yes but when you explore deeply into the language, you will notice that it is absolutely nothing like the Austronesian languages especially in grammar, syntax and the heavy use of "U" sounds like in words like "kuru" , "suru" , "musume" , "musuko" "waru" , "aku"............
@@xyptevmh Yeah, I might even believe that Japanese has more similarities with Greek than it does with any of the Austronesian languages
@@cheerful_crop_circle
This is because all Japanese verbs end in "u.
And vowel harmony
@@user-bo7oi9dy7p So these features dont exist in the Austronesian or any indigenous/African/tribal language?
Bir! Neg! Ėmun! Hana! Hitotsu!
Mongolian cirilic should be added
@@FedericoDeBiaseCoppola It's just that I don't have a Mongolian keyboard
@@terremotoselegidos its not that
But you said that Mongolian Cyrillic
@@terremotoselegidos not u i want that mongolian cirilic should be in a video
their connection could be muce older than we think
Yeah
The languages especially Turkic are very young so no you are incorrect
@@IranLur connection could be older through now extinct language families
@@SKITNICA95 If you keep going far back enough it will trace our entire lineage as Homo-sapien-sapien so whats the point?
@@IranLur not so far tho
Although the Turks often comprised the bulk of the Mongol army as well as the bulk of armies opposed to the Mongols, throughout the domains of the Mongol Empire there was a diffusion of military technology, which has already bee and also ethnic groups. In addition to the Mongols and Turks, other ethnicities served in the Mongol military machine and found themselves distant from home.
May, T.M., 2012. The Mongol conquests in world history, London: Reaktion Books. p.222
Turkey people are not Turkic
@@dar_khan_ ☕️☕️
@@dar_khan_ 👁👄👁
DNA from a 2,000-year-old burial site in Mongolia has revealed new information about the Xiongnu, a nomadic tribe that once reigned in Central Asia. Researchers in France studied DNA from more than 62 skeletons to reconstruct the history and social organization of a long-forgotten culture.
The researchers found that interbreeding between Europeans and Asians occurred much earlier than previously thought. They also found DNA sequences similar to those in present-day Turks, supporting the idea that some of the Turkish people originated in Mongolia.
Skeletons from the most recent graves also contained DNA sequences similar to those in people from present-day Turkey. This supports other studies indicating that Turkish tribes originated at least in part in Mongolia at the end of the Xiongnu period.
Keyser-Tracqui, C., et al. Nuclear and mitochondrial DNA analysis of a 2,000-year-old necropolis in the Egyin Gol Valley of Mongolia. American Journal of Human Genetics73, 247-260 (August 2003).
@@dar_khan_ DNA from a 2,000-year-old burial site in Mongolia has revealed new information about the Xiongnu, a nomadic tribe that once reigned in Central Asia. Researchers in France studied DNA from more than 62 skeletons to reconstruct the history and social organization of a long-forgotten culture.
The researchers found that interbreeding between Europeans and Asians occurred much earlier than previously thought. They also found DNA sequences similar to those in present-day Turks, supporting the idea that the Turkish people originated in Around Mongolia.
Skeletons from the most recent graves also contained DNA sequences similar to those in people from present-day Turkey. This supports other studies indicating that Turkish tribes originated at least in part in Mongolia at the end of the Xiongnu period.
Keyser-Tracqui, C., et al. Nuclear and mitochondrial DNA analysis of a 2,000-year-old necropolis in the Egyin Gol Valley of Mongolia. American Journal of Human Genetics73, 247-260 (August 2003).
@@dar_khan_Lol according to Keyser Xiongnu samples are similar to Anatolian Turkic people’s aswell 😂 Keep believing in myths 😂
響きは似てるんじゃないかなぁ？
Russian
English
Armenian
Italian
Persian
French
Indian
Greek
Indo-European Languages???
How did this theory got approved, while Altaic or even Ural-Altaic is opposed?
The similarities between languages are based not only on the similar words but on the construction of sentences.
Stop deviating from the research because it is either hard or doesn't profit you politically.
The further back you go and compare Indo-European languages in it's PIE form the more similar they are. "Altaic" languages is a pseudo-science and the further back you go into the proto-languages the less similar they are. They form a sprachbund, not a family. Anyone with 1 brain cell can notice that instantly. Are you a flat earther too?
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Turkish
Mongolian
Nanai
Korean
Japanese
If you don't trace roots from numbers then its over. Sentence comparisons afterwards are futile. Every language family shares the same numerical system PERIOD
Even the numerical system is not necessarily a proof because speakers tend to adopt the numerical system of their superior neighbors at that time (example the Sino-Tibetan numbers adopted in neighboring language families). Morphology is more important 👍
@@amormir8280 They will still retain their native numbers. Of which we can see there is ZERO similarity.
@@IranLur What about the Samoyedic branch of Uralic family or all branches of AfroAsoatic family and so on?...
somehow this is correct. it only begs the question how many years does it take for the numbers to change too (which can happen sometimes...)
Literally the only one I like is Korean. Oppan-Gangnam-Style. 😎
do more FILIPINOS LANGUAGESS :))))
Thats kokonutz!
Debunked Myth 인종도 교류 정도지 퉁구스 빼곤 다 다르다. 정치적 샘플링하면 인종 같게 나오지 길거리 생김새를 봐라 다 다르지. 요것들 교류를 동족으로 모네
Japanese is altaic, no turk
0:06 One for Japanese is "Ichi" not "Hitotsu". Hitotsu means "first" or "first thing". Same for the rest.
Turkic languages are from the Turanian family. Other languages from this family are the Median language, Saga/Saka language, Etrusk language. The mainland of this family according to Urmia theory is between Mesapotamia and Lake Urmia where the name Turuk (Old form of Turk) was found 4250 years ago on historical tablets in this area.
Yalan söylemeyin lan
@@melisay12 Karşında bir dilbilmci Türkolog olduğunda sus kulaklarını aç, dinle ve öğren. Uzun konuşmayla kendinigözden salma Meliscik
@@YasharHDelir Karşımdaki "Türkolog ve dilbilimci" aklını ve mantığını kullanmak yerine özentiliği ve ona öğretildiği kadarıyla konuşuyorsa kulaklarımı açıp dinlerim ama ciddiye alıp inanacağımı söyleyemem. Sakın ortalık yerlerde de böyle söyleme de zaten cahil olan halka ekstra cahillik katma.
@@melisay12 Akıl ve mantık sandığın asıl cahilliğin ta kendisidir. Avrupalı sözde tarihci-dilbilimcilerin uydurduğu tarih ve dil ailelerine inanıp cahil halkı tam yanlış yöne sürüreklemek, "Mürekkep cehl"in tarifidir. Yalnızca cahill olduğuna cahil olan birisi hiç bir bilgisi olmadan, hiç araştırmadan, belgesiz boş sözlere istinaden başkasına yalan konuşma nisbetini verebilir. Senin inanıp inanmamanla gerçekler değişmez. Belgeler zaten dediğimi konuşuyor
Daha kötü saçmalanamazdı 😂
Finally
Altay dil ailesi değil de dil birliği ya da Almanca söylenişiyle "Sprachbund", Birbirine yakın olan diller benzeşip köken bakımında bağlantılı gözükebilir ancak değildir
OMG Nanai sister sounds like Russian trying speak Korean
I doubt its an actual nanai speaker
First!
People here is one wild probability (it's just theoretical probability) 😉. Maybe this three groups Turkic, Mongolic and Tungusic if they continue to convergene (if the process continues with no interruption and also artificially supported were it is needed) they will probably in some distant future become a linguistic family which means that they are going backwards in time (showing us the opposite way) 😁. More or less many linguistic families are diverging in their branches and by that distancing each other from another, while here the process is going backwards 😉...
Unfortunately, the Ural Altai language family is not real. I wish it were real
Sayılara bakın🤣hiç benzemiyor birbirlerine ,bu diller akraba olarak görülmüyor zaten 🫠
?'i o yüzden koymuş, Altay dilleri kuramı 40-50 yıl önce çürütüldü haberin yok mu aga?
@@xyptevmh ya var zaten o yüzden söylüyorum Altay dil teorisi çöktü Türk dil ailesi var diğerleri izole
Altaic language family is myth and its debunked by linguists
For example both Korean and Japanese classified as isolated languages
Actually, Korean and Japanese aren't really isolates, most linguists today argue that Jeju (Koreanic) and the Ryukyuan languages (Japonic) are seperate from Korean and Japanese.
nothing common Altaic language family is a myth
TURAN HUNLAR ALTAI 🇹🇷🇯🇵🇹🇲🇲🇳🇹🇼🇰🇿🇭🇺🇺🇿🇰🇬🇰🇷🇦🇿
Her şeyi geçtim, tayvan niye orada
Turks trying to find somebody who likes them:
@@saberspamofficialI am Turkish, but I do not believe in this failed language family!
Cringe
GDP per capita
Japanese 33900
Korean 33290
= EU
VS
Turkey 12000
Kazakhstan 9000
Mongolia 5000
Kyrgyzstan 1500
Azerbaijan 3000
Turkmenistan 2000
Hungary 13000
= SEA