12" VS 15" SUBWOOFER | MYTH BUSTED
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Going from 2 12's in a custom b'ox to 2 15's in a custom box in my case was a massive difference. The lows are way nastier and these 15's broke a weld on my roof lmao.
You know damn well that the 12s loosened it up forem first 🙃
Crazy that my 10’s play nasty 18hz tones
What kind of car you got?
@@herlemaggard69 They was alright tbh LOL
@@DjR3aper 2 15s in a dodge nitro
When I first got involved with car audio it was because of people that I knew were driving around with systems that had woofers amplifiers crossovers and sound that I never heard in a car before. At first I started copying them, my first system had 2 twelves in a ported box with a monoblock amp. Everything else I had running off of a four Channel amplifier. Then when base became popular bigger amps more woofers things got completely out of hand it became an obsession.
Came a time in my life when I realized in my opinion what kind of sound I like. In my opinion I want to be able to close my eyes and it should sound like the band is in the room with me. I'm not a bass-head anymore . I'm not looking to get it to the point where my windows are going to break where I'm going to Rattle the house for my AV system for instance. There's nothing like listening to a system that sounds like the actual band is in your listening area to me that's accurate sound. That's what I enjoy now. I know everybody goes through different stages of this Hobby.
Sounds to me like you just never had a good balance😂, I got 4 15s but amped up aftermarket door speakers and a wall of 8 6x9s, all blends perfect and sounds like there’s 2 bands inside my car
I agree I want to hear all the band and all the sounds not just thump thump dont get me wrong base is what makes the sound and the sound good but the mids and highs are just as important being a hard rocker it is not about just bass and when people get in my truck and I turn it up they go wow that sounds really really good that's what I like to hear its all in proportion to the other speakers I do have a bass controller cuz some songs need a bit more or less and w the bass and treble controls on the deck as well as having the gains set correctly on the amp I can turn it all the way up w no distortion most times depends on quality of recording etc
he no longer a basehead.....LMAO
Yea me too I had too much bass but then I changed it because I realized I liked a blend
Bass* 😂. Unless indeed smoking shit off tinfoil is what you meant to say …
Do a comparison with an 18” next. Lol for “scientific purposes” 😂
Not a bad idea 😂
That's what I have in my hatchback I would love to see that.
For the science 🤔😏
Ermuhgordz yes!
Good idea lol
Hell yeah. Finally some 15s. Man I can't wait for this series. Awesome job.
This guy solves a lot of my problems and questions, love it
I just did this exactly in the cab of my truck. Single EVL12 to the single EVL15. All else is the same setup. The 12 was a beast, but the 15 just Hammers the hell out of the cab. It seems to hit hard effortlessly down low, and just ruined my rearview mirror mount. Love me some Skar's!!
What a great comparison. There’s a million ways to say this is a “non scientific” or incomplete test. Thing is it’s so real world, especially if you consider what most people are going to do. Thank you for making this great video.
I agree with others - time for 15 v 18!
Its pretty well known that 2 subs different size, cone area will win. Imo the real "myth" that needs busting is what to do with specific box size limits.
Ex. I have approx 3.5cuft of airspace, 2 4inch aero ports tuned 35hz ish. Currently have 2 12's in it. Would it be louder to have 2 10's in the same box retuned to the same 35hz or do my 12's hit louder even though the box is "small"
2 10s 3.5 cuft
2 12s 3.5 cuft
Way i see it i might get better lows with the 10s but would lose peak output.
Thats the test i want to see.
this was pretty much as expected. as DB is literally a measure of pressure, larger diaphragm will obviously make more pressure with equal power as long as the power supplied is sufficient to make full effect of the diaphragm. it's literally math and science.
So double 12's is better than one 15.
@@ksavage681 Depends but in this case not really if you add another 12 of the same brand and everything and give it the same amount of power it will only be 3dB louder. For example that 35hz test with a 2nd 12 with the same amoutn will play 140.9 dB which is only .4 dB louder than one 15.
May not be entirely correct depending on situations and stuff but the principle of it is.
I think the both will sound equally as loud when approaching xmax. The 15 will sound louder at lower volumes due to more air cfm and larger diaphragm. The difference in loudness you may hear could be your vehicle acoustics. In some cases, the 12 will outperform the 15.
@@ksavage681 if ohm and voltage is equalized then splitting the wattage will not see any significant increase. this is why I mentioned equal power. to see a significant increase with the 2 12s you would have to supply them with more power OR run the wiring in parallel effectively reducing the ohm resistance. however that will be effectively increasing the power supplied (and power draw). so isn't equal anymore.
also zero cool's explanation of 3 db louder isnt very clear. 3 db is a very generic assumed gain over a single speaker solution. sensitivity, max excursion, and a few other things are taken into account as well as surface area. however if you are reaching your max power output you could actually see a loss as you may not be pushing enough power to push the speakers effectively.
@@godfreyofbouillon8861 in the case of both speakers the Qmax is the same at 23.5mm one way. meaning the 15 will still push more air at all levels.
best way I found to setting up a system is figuring budget wish wires and electrical system upgrades if within budget.
then figure amount of deletable space from the cabin/trunk/hatch area (some area may not be deletable due to needs/requirements for luggage or other item stowage) , figure how much room you have for enclosures for a box/wedge or a contoured solution.
SPL is fun to play with, but in reality SPQ is where most people will lean. been listening to people in their SPL trucks for 30 years going BVVVVFRT BVVVVFRT BVVVVFRT and nothing else and it just sounds horrible.
I like that the 15 box doesn't really take up much more space. That's a big part of the decision for a daily. If space doesn't matter, 15 all the way
More like a space doesn’t matter get an 18 trust me
@@SuperSpeederCarl but damn need amp,wire, upgade smh
50inch
It's actually less about the size of your sub and more about the quality of your set-up and the components you're using
I've learned a lot from watching your videos, thank you and keep em coming 💯👍
Good to hear man!!
Good tests! I like info like this! This helps a lot with decision making!
Your awesome for doing stuff like this. Looks like fun always!
Awesome comparison. Wish there were more vids like this.
I’ve had X15v.2@2ohm,6000w and a Zv.5-12@4ohm,3200w. Yes that’s a big difference in power,both were in same enclosure (3.5ish cubes) just rebaffled. I must say the x15 was pretty serious. The Z was fantastic too but I think the simple cone area calculation works. More surface area is gonna win every time when compared to near equivalence.
I like these kinds of test, and I'm sure there's plenty of people that do also because like most automotive related modifications car audio is almost always about takeaways. An example such as having limited space for a certain number and size of subwoofers most people ponder the thought of how much decrease or increase in SPL will there be if downsizing or upsizing. If there is limited space and have to downsize the decision to go with a higher RMS subwoofer in order to bring back and achieve a certain SPL would be needed.
This kind of test but with a 10 inch and a 12 inch subwoofer would be interesting and useful to see because they both are the most popular sizes to use. To make things easier and more fare the Skar Audio DDX-10 D4 and the Skar Audio DDX-12 D4 both have the same 2.5 Inch Voice Coil and the same RMS (1000 Watts) and Peak Power (1,500 Watts).
It's about moving air to build pressure. If you look at the cone area x xmax you get the volume of air you're moving. You're absolutely right on matching the box as well. If you go too high or low the sub won't be able to move air as efficiently needing more wattage to do the same same amount of work.A poorly sized box will absolutely kill output.
true so much goes into the math of figuring the best box in real world, that it really is dependent on box size, build, design, material used, etc... back in early 2000's I had 2 JL audio W6 12s in a custom sealed box in the trunk of my 2004 Acura 3.2tl and my buddy had 2 Rockford Fosgate punch 15s in his SUV and in a homemade box. Mind u that box was not just thrown together but still those speakers could not hit you like my smaller 12s did. And the BOX is what i Believed it came down to...
I've had systems since 1990 and I've never heard that 12s and 15s were same volume. The more displacement of cone area the louder it will be with everything else being equal
But that doesn’t make sense either when you say everything else being equal
Wouldn’t it require more power to move a 15 than a 12?
For example if you have a small tiny car and large car…. Putting the same engine in both doesn’t mean the larger car would accelerate or have a higher top speed output than the smaller car
@@demonreturns4336 very little difference in power needed to move it, and that's more than made up for by the increase in sensitivity from the increased cone area.
So as long as the coil is the same, the change in MMS is mainly going to change the FS of the driver/where there driver is most efficient.
Hi-fi and SPL are 2 different world ...
The more SD (surface) more db Is a mith in car audio ... When you have 85/88db 1w SPL of efficency High soft roll ... Vs 102/106maybe 108 db 1w sensitivity , 3/4 wave surround stiff , asimetric spider (softer out/stiffer in) ...
The eight space of the vehicle ....
Is not true the topic of the video but Is pure entertainment
@@picassoimpaler3243 A decrease in cone area will increase response. You said that backwards as if a heavier, wider cone increases bass response when in fact it would decrease it.
My life in car audio has shown me that the box is just as important if not more important than the subs going into it. They can completely change the way a sub sounds and how it responds to different music types. Yet for SPL I've found cone size is the key, and the bigger the better, but there is a point of diminishing returns due to the limited space of the vehicle, power available, and price.
Seen a guy with 4 mtx thunder 15s in a s10 back in the day win a spl competition in his class. Those were wal Mart subs. He was the first local guy to custom build and tune boxes. I can't remember the db but it cracked snugs all the time.
Yup, you got it! I remember building my first custom box, into my '89 firebird. An awesome car for loud bass, due to the back glass. But, even then, building a box from plywood (I know, laugh away) vs my second iteration in 3/4" MDF and proper math to calculate air space, I understood the physics and, from there on, made sure that my boxes were built to spec and with proper materials.
i agree with the proper enclosure specs. i went from 1 decent 15 that took up my whole trunk to 2 cheaper 12s. same amp , 12s enclosure was slightly smaller. went from 141 to 147. roughly 2500 rms to both enclosures. no burps. just music. had maybe $500 in everything
@Patrick S nothing wrong with plywood, although you do have to design and measure any box. Before i knew about port tuning I just stuck a random cardboard tube in. Found out later in hornresp I'd tuned to 11Hz haha.
My 40 Hz 3/8" plywood box turned out fine and doesn't flex due to the bracing. I could probably build a decent box with 1/4" ply but would have to brace the thing like a dang model aircraft!
Love seeing you guys keeping the industry alive and shakin things up👍I used to do the same thing and you will be amazed at what you find😎Car Audio was the most fun I have had and at 54 yrs old I have subs in all my rides and toys ❤️Can’t even have a ride without a system in it 😁
Once a basshead, always a basshead. 👍
Love the look on that Adire Audio! I would love to see a video of the XBL^2 subwoofer they have like the Brahma.
Great review, I've ran Sundown SAv2 12's & 15's, Rockford P3 12's & 15's as well as the American Bass Hawk 12's and 15's, the 15's have always played louder on identical power and sounded better. I love the 15" hawks the most
I'm guessing the P3's were the least loud of that lineup
@@Titans2138 You guessed 100% correct on that. They must have had the highest sensitivity of the bunch because they would be the loudest on small power, but they hit a hard wall so fast they just can't take more power like the Sundown and American Bass can, when RF says 600-750w RMS they mean that quite literally, I almost smoked coils not clipping sending around 1kw clean to it which means they were likely clamping 600-800w each and it was too much.
The Sundown SA15v2 took more power and could play longer, but whenever the coil was far out of the gap it would get so hot, the SA lineup doesn't like digging below port tuning much at all, same thing - heat, heat, heat.
The American Bass Hawks I'm sending about 1,200w each and I run it at a soft clip tuned to 7.5db overlap with DD-1+, and they are just screaming for more power. They just flex and flex, make so much fucking noise the SA15's metered at 144.2 with less power so I'm sure these are closer to the 150db mark, don't have a meter to test it.
They never get that hot, they get warm, but I'm never smelling voice coil adhesive or anything like that like I would with the SA and P3. The Hawks from AB seem to handle their true 1,500w RMS rating and for like $215 how the hell can you go wrong? Sundown's equivalent U15 is OVER $400!!! Identical specs!
@@ChadsLoud thanks for the info, i'd prob never get sundown because their subs look weird when i graph them in bassboxpro, seems like they're spl subs only good at one frequency. i might check out american bass if I ever get different subs I used to have P2's and they were quiet as hell.I have 3 VXF 15's now so unless I cook them I don't have much of a reason to upgrade. On like 4800 watts. That's before box rise though.
Hope you can answer this but will it be overpowering the music with a 15 inch like I ain’t trynna blow my windows out just want a good mix of sound and bass
Thank you so much for doing these videos parker
Hey Parker. This is so awesome. Thank you so much for answering this for me on a head to head. Now I wonder if the same power is better or worse on a under powered sub vs running rated power. Thanks for the awesome content.
I bet the sub playing at rated power would be louder than the sub at underpowered
I always went with 8s 10s and 12s I had a single powerful NSV3 12" and FI team series 12 on a 5k and 6k amp it was awesome. Finally I decided to change and sell the subs which I used to buy 2 NSV3 10s left it on the deaf bounce 6k and my god it's unbelievable amount of Bass just 2 10s can do. I just don't have the electricals for a bigger amp my electrical is stable with the 6k. I'm sure happy with the new setup.
I agree with the different sizes and brands out there that there 12 inch subs that would do better then 15's because of how they are made. Thanks for sharing this comparison of the skars man.
Thank you for this video. i cant help to think that the box size being different will effect the result. Cheers
Gotta laugh at the haters that are sooo mad about someone doing something they enjoy 😉. Keep hatin, it's entertaining
For real!!
Drinking game: take a shot every time he says "guys"
Awesome thanks for this! So what can the sub actually handle for regular use? Does this mean they need more power than they are rated for ?
Nice I really enjoyed the video!!! Going to a local bass meet to have some fun and run the lanes
Cone area is king, my Crossfire xt3 18's slap🤙
I would like to see 2 8" vs. 1 15"! Great job! I enjoyed this!
One 15 blows away two 8s. An 8 has a cone area of about 200 sq.cm. where a 15 has a cone area of about 850 sq.cm. So 400 vs 850. No match.
Great vid bro. This was a good one. It will be popular
Parker great job on explaining it to someone who need it. Now my question is I have 2 Skar 15 vxf sudwoofer and wondering what amp would you recommend? Thinking about the taramp 5k or 3k. And I have 6 6x9 4 6x5 set of super tweeters what is the recommended amp for that?
Dope video bro! Once I heard 15s I never went back to 12s 🔊😎
Same if anything im gonna add 1 12 with my 2 15s or vice versa
Yeaa it’s like once you get exposed to dat raw, effortlessly loud and powerful bass 15s make its over with for anything smaller unless they absolutely trump or match the 15’s parameters and what not
I love my 2 nsv3 10s
So, do 18s hit much harder than 15s?
@@Hammerback0 my goodness are you people on here trolling or something? Because I really don’t want to go off on somebody I don’t even know but it’s painfully frustrating to see you guys struggling with this basic ass information this is totally bizarre… in what world did 15s ever hit harder than 18s with ALLLLLLLL factors being equal and properly set up and don’t try to compare some shitty ass 18s to some very very good 15s because that’s not fair, if everything is done right in any setup cone area usually wins most of the time, that is until the lower cone area user has a higher fuckload of power to beat the more cone area user that’s the only instance where the less cone area user wins
Love the test. And definitely a fan of Skar products. I think Skar is what MTX used to be 20+ years ago..at least in my opinion. Pretty would come down to how much space I'm willing to sacrifice If I'm go with the 18. All in all dope test.
Having a sale on SKAR 18s now, 129 for three sub, around 300 for sub in box
@@Hammerback0 Just got dual 12 MTX with sealed box for 140.00.
ima do 2 sdr 18 d2 sealed on 2 mtx 2300's
I remember the 22 inch jack hammers I wanted one so bad growing up!
I love the video it helped me out a lot. I have this same 15s but I have a audio pipe 3K on them and I wanna go with more Watts will 8k or 10k be to much for them???
I just bought a NVX vs series 15 sub. I cant wait to receive it this weekend and going in my Honda Accord at 750rms lol car will be loud. I love these videos.
I like the 15
For SPL one 12 vs one 15, cone area will always be king.
But the King doesn't always have to be bigger. Try four 12s against two 15s. The scenarios are endless, it's always going to be cone area no matter what the size.
Doing it for fun with real life results!! Keep that in mind y’all. Great video.
You are the man . I’m gonna have to check those skar subs out .
Awesome video bro love the content 🤘🏻. I’ve been debating on going to two 15’s to replace my two 12’s. Now this really has me thinking
I just installed 2 12inch rockford t1d2s a week ago. Now I want the sundown 15s. Ffs. Lol
@@chrismcbride4839 so I went with one sundown xv2 15 and bass wise it blows my two two 12’s out of the water. But music wise the 12’s win hands down
Why do the 2 - 12s win over the 1 - 15 for music?
@@demonreturns4336 the 12’s were a lot punchier than the 15, now I have two xv2 15’s and they are flat nasty. But 12’s will always be my favorite
Next expensive sub you need to try is a 15" American Bass Godfather series.
I’d love to try one sometime!
@@ParkerTheBasshead Thanks Parker I would appreciate it. I got the 18" AB Godfather but had the coil hit the bottom of the motor at very low frequencies. Now at 32hz it was way louder than my Soundqubed HDX3 subwoofers. I did a review on my 18" AB Godfather sub you can do a review on it as well. I love the gloss white basket they put on it.
I appreciate the breakdown. Hell yea love the energy. I have 3 15's in a groundshaker ported box wouldn't trade it for 3 12's that's for sure. Keep slamming!
Wow 400k views. I remember when you first started with only 100 and I was one of them.
Hard work and persistence does pay off!
Congrats 👏 👏 👏
I love my two Resilient sounds team 18s!! the cone area combined with a good box and power is a perfect 15Hz wind machine!
Even with a single zvx 18 on 3000 RMS I am cracking 150 easily in my quad cab Tundra.
When you hit that 143 it was noticeably louder even on my phone, I have always been more for 15s but I did have some Orion Xtr pro 12s dual 2s years ago and those thing slammed hard
I have subs all different sizes from 3”- 12”. I just purchased my first 2x15” Dayton Audio Max X. Can’t wait to get stupid!!!
You will love it!!
What kind of air space does that Dayton 15 need? Probably better SQ than my Skar subs
Well to keep inexpensive at this point I bought 2 sealed 2.2 boxes from hificonectons. Which is the exact sq ft. I’ll put some Polly fill as well.
I really like skar , but I’m more of a Dayton Audio guy.
Very well executed test. Thanks.
I always enjoy any and everything u put out
I’m pretty confused. In the year 2001 I had an extended cab Chevy s10. I had 2 15” MTX Thunder 8000 subs in a custom box that I made in my garage. It was 20 years ago and I can’t remember what the specs of the box were. I was running a MTX Thunder 500D amp. Old school stuff. I think the amp certificate said it did 775 watts rms at 2 ohms. I took it to a bunch of local stereo SPL competitions. The best I ever did was 143.9 DB. My question is this……what in the hell is the deal with all of these goofy ass Amps that have 2,000, 5,000, 27,000 watts that don’t do a damn thing better than my 20 year old amp that put out less than 1,000? Are these amp manufacturers just making up numbers? I am a mechanic by trade. So a car that has 400-500 horsepower is a pretty quick car. If somebody comes along and says that they have a 8,000 horsepower car……I’m going to call bullshit. Because that is damn near top fuel dragster territory. Kind of the same thing in the stereo world.
This is a fairly generic comparison. 2 similar drivers in properly sized ported boxes tuned the same (relative to to the recomeneded spec) the only significant difference being the cone displacement. In this scenario, the 15 is surely going to out “Volume” the 12. Now, take 2 12’s against 1, 15. This where things start to diverge. I prefer the “sound” of a 12” or 10” and would take 2 of either over a single 15. When you start getting into multiple 15” drivers, unless you have a 70’s surfer van, you start being constrained by box volume requirements. The other thing is driver design. Most car audio drivers do not focus on the low, low end, around the 20-30Hz range because, technically speaking, you are too close to the source to actually hear that sound wave come to fruition. Your neighbors and the car behind and in front of you will actually here a lower frequency sound wave than you will. This is why most of your car audio amplifiers have there boost in the 30-55Hz range. As for power, the watts versus HP thing is also related to amperage and driver efficiency, much like a car with a 750Hp motor that also produces 700 foot pound torque will move the same car up a hill better than the same 700hp car with 450fp of torque will. There is good reason why the fastest production cars of late are electric. Electric motors have massive always available torque and a much more linear, constant power curve. As with gas pwered, converted energy (horsepower), amplification has the same issue, diminishing returns. In order to obtain the same gains in output, the amp has to have exponential increases in output to facilitate moderate gains. Let’s start with an explanation of what one hears and how that is measured. Test results on these products are assigned a volume “Value” to the ear, at 1meter distance in an anechoic chamber. That is why you often read, xxdb at 1 watt/1 meter. That said, with those measuring techniques in mind, the sound to the ear is perceived to double with every 3db in sound pressure level. So, take 3 different 12” woofers, 1 with an efficiency rating of 87db, 1/ 90db and 1/w 93db, each given the same 1 watt of power. To the ear at 1 meter, the 90db driver will sound twice as loud as the 87db; the 93db will sound 4 time as loud as the 87db drive and twice as lout as the 90db driver, Etc. Remember it doubles the (percoeved) vol. to the ear w/every 3db increase in efficiency when the same amount of power is provided. This is why lowering your cars vibrations and road noise with damping (not dampening) material every 3 db is equivalent to increasing the volume heard, by double. Then there is the amplifier output. I’ll try to be brief. Much like torque provides additional power to launch and maintain a cars speed, an amp has what it calls dynamic headroom. Headroom takes care of unequal demands that are put on any speaker. More headroom, (which is not wattage) equals more dynamic playback, the amp is able to handle the added extreme peaks and valleys in the output power request before it goes into clipping (like torque maintains a more constant speed going up a hill, at a given horsepower level) even though the horsepower is not different. Just like cars need exponentially more power to obtain similar gains in output, amps do too. 100 watts will work; want to double your speed (volume) you’ll need to go with 300 watts. Want to double it again, now you’re going to need 1000, again, 4000 and so on. That’s why you see these ridiculous wattage numbers. Even though dragsters are putting out 10000hp, they aren’t doing the quarter mile in 10 times the time or speed of the same rail w/1000hp; diminishing returns require ever more input for marginal output in gains. You can only get so much out of converting 12volts, that would be amperage (energy from the source). Same moter given the same amount of fuel, say nitro, same motor, more energy stored in nitro than gasoline. Hope that is a s clear as mud! ;)
@@steveschwartz9421 doubling speakers (account for ohms) or power is 3db gain. That is sound energy. Loudness is only about 25% or so higher. 9-10db is double the loudness
@@-Jason-L Granted, should have indicated “sound pressure level” at 1 watt, 1 meter. It's all very much like a car though; performance is much more than just torque or horsepower. Cars weight, aerodynamics, wheel friction coefficient, etc. What always surprises me is the argument about using such large drivers in a car. There is a reason that car audio subwoofers in a car tend to emphasize the 35-55hz range. Technically speaking, you can’t hear (though you might feel) frequencies below that in a car as you are too close to the output source for the actual sound wave to develop. One of the reasons that people on the curb probably get a lower bass response than the individuals in the car. My experience, and with a nod towards SQ, multiple 10”s or Multiple 12”s go every bit as low as 15”s in a car(Actually lower in many cases) and the overall sound quality is superior. Physics will always play a part in the equation and 15” drivers need bigger boxes (usually in excess of 3-4 cubic feet each, ported) to sound as good as smaller drivers, just no two ways around this.
Good stuff. I think the technology has advanced so much that many of the old assumptions no longer hold true and some were never true to begin with. I have heard some 8s that made my jaw drop.
Also, commented on the fb video for the contest. Actually saving up for a replacement after my truck was broken in to and would love to win.
Anyway, keep up the good work. We need more stuff like this to weed out the fact from fiction.
I went from 2 Skar SVR12’s to 2 CT Sounds Meso 8’s and they hit lower and louder.
The smaller the sub the better they sound and you're right about the technology they're making it so small subs can really take some power these days which really makes their performance amazing
The bigger the sub the more you fill it but large subs take a large amount of space and it can be very difficult to tune a box that large depending on the vehicle the enclosure is in
This makes it more difficult to make larger subs 15s it up musical like smaller subs but it can be done
@@MichaelJohnson-je2vo I’d still personally run a single 15 over 2 8’s though even with space in mind.
I rav a couple EVLs a while back. They took the power and never blew but they got stinky with that black coil glue, the vxf's def have a soft spot in my soul they were great subs that still live, in a box lol
Great video. Thanks for the comparison.
Unfortunately or fortunately, the box is many times more important than the speaker itself. This has been realized by those who change boxes very often, keeping the same subwoofers. I think you should keep some reference speakers and start trying different boxes (small, medium, large) so that even the last one understands how important a good box is.
There does tend to be an ideal volume for each sub. Obviously ported or sealed changes those figures.
It's not just the volume of the enclosure but also what type of enclosure you are using
I had this crazy bandpass box for a single 8 years and years ago, took up a whole truck and it outperformed a lot of dual 10's and 12's with whatever crappy speaker you put in it.
@@fiddynutz68ugh bandpass always sounds awful imo. you might have been louder but you probably sounded like complete garbage compared to the others.
The first time i put 2 15s in my ride, it slapped harder than my usual 2 10s or 2 12s.
As always great content keep up the great work
Thank you Ronald!!
I've been watching you for one year now good job thank wally watt
I have 2 12s that sound like 15s. Ppl always ask me what i got since it sounds good it's just really a budget set-up in a "custom prefab" box tuned to 34. Really depends on what you listen to and what you're looking for. But i say it's mainly how the enclosure is made.
Your 12s sound like 12s. The box plays a bigger factor than anything else
Can you do a comparison with the 12 vs 15 skar vxf subs
as far as i learned in electronics engineering for every 3 db gain sound output gets doubled so that 3db gain at 45hz was dope, great testing
I don t have experience with spl meter, but when i installed in big box with 1 subwoofer 12 inch, I imstalled another one , since low volume you geel differnce more upper freq response and more low end freq response as per my expierence
I'd say, having had a 15 for a while now and running 12s prior, the 15s are definitely lower and louder, however, the 12s you can typically fit TWO in the same space you've got one 15 where as you might not be able to get two 15s in that space. I'm running 1 15 in my camry, perfection tbh. Nice low lows. Thumps really good. Just, I don't have enough power to keep it consistent so I play it around 65% volume most of the time.
Any demos
I have 2 15in sundowns in my honda and trust me it’s not worth it🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 this thing is falling apart review mirror fell off, my head liner has fallen
@@demonic3923 I have 2 8s in my civic and the headliner is falling down!
& they are CHEAP Skar IX 8s !
Sundown SA12 in 3.4 cubes tuned to 33Hz, on a CT Sounds CT2000.1D in my Acura Legend. Makes every body panel do the wobble.
Your system can make it to 65%?😂i wish
Never owned a 15 but I'm thinking I should have owned a few in my life lol. Put a Skar 1200.1 amp and a loaded 12" Skar sub box in my sons Trail Blazer. Once again....Should have got him a 15" lol
If you have the SDR sub, swap it out for a SVR or DDX series from Skar. You will thank me later.
thanks for the test enjoyed it bro
Thanks for the demonstration 👍
Definitely want to see with the 18
I just might have to do it!
15 ftw 👍
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Nice video! Make em bump baw!
First that was a great video. For those who don’t understand how perceived volume vs decibels compare, every +3db is twice as loud when measured by a professional meter but the human ear requires +10db. Therefore, +3db on the meter will sound like 33% louder by the human ear on average. Please remember all ears are different and that is why you use a professional db meter. Cheers!
and the ear is more and less sensitive to different frequencies
Kinda. Sound measured in dB is logarithmic so it's not linear enough to say 3dB is 33% of 10dB. The 3dB = double SPL 10dB = double perceived loudness is accurate
Incorrect, 3dB is a perceivable difference in loudness and it takes a doubling of power to achieve it. But yes 10dB is considered twice as loud to the human ear.
I switched from 2 12's to a massive single 10" and i prefer the single 10" hits alot harder in my opinion
12s probably couldn’t breathe
@@tranquilityaphelion8144 Plently of cabin space in my explorer. the 12's did come in a prefab box so that could have been an issue. also the 12's were just some baby kickers lol
It's all about what you listen to. I prefer 10s as well, more punchy bass than muddy. I'm not all about SPL, but quality nowadays.
@@tranquilityaphelion8144Wrong.
How about doing a 2 12's vs single 15? Same total RMS power of the subs.
If everything is for both set ups are proper the 12s will take the cake UNLESS the 1 15 is a insanely powerful driver other than that it won’t move as much as 2 12s, now 2 15s! That’s extremely louder than 2 12s easily the 12s don’t stand a chance against 2 15s
@@Nostagefright how about two 10s vs one 15?
@@cuttabutter5050 I think 2 10s would be roughly the same volume as 1 15. Possibly a little louder but maybe not
@@cuttabutter5050 it would be close but most likely the 2 10's would win because if the test was balls to the wall then the 15 can only take so much power and only have so much motor force likewise the same issue with the 10's except having 2 motors that means that you might be able to get 2 10's that combined will have better power handling and motor force, might not be much but every little bit count. This is why usually 4 12's will walk all over 1 18 or even 1 21" because of 1 motor vs 4 the 1 just can't out perform 4 especially if you put the same motor on the 12's that's on the 18 lol then they will kill that 1 18 lol
@@SheikhN-bible-syndrome i have both, my 2 10s in a custom box hit lows very well and loud, but i feel the 15 hits more frequencies and overall hits a harder. The 10s bottom out way easier than the single 15
I don't know but my Skar vxf 12 D2 is pretty loud in my corolla. Was thinking about getting another 12 but its already loud enough. Good video man
you should review the deaf bonce hannibal 12 inch sub! they are real cheap and look pretty dope. thanks Parker for another great video!! I watch all of em.
This is interesting. You would expect the 15 to be louder for a given Xmax, but it takes more power to move the larger cone…. 🤔 lows are better, but I think 12’s are good enough for me.
It doesn't take that much more power, if all other perimeters were equal. The MMS of the 15 is higher, but that is mainly going to change the drivers FS and where it is efficient. It's not enough to change the motor force needed by much. By the time you change the back pressure of the box by making it larger, it's not much of a change in power needed at all.
How about the theory that 3 10 inch subs in the correct enclosure can be louder than 2 15s
I just bought a 2018 Durango. Want to upgrade the system. I love bass but mainly listen to electronic, rock, and country bluegrass. If you had $2k to spend, what would you go with?
What sub is that in your video with the orange basket!! I'm very interested to know!! Love the wide coil on it!!!!!
Great video keep it up!!
like I said on the FB post idk if im supposed to comment here or there but i did booth so take that lolol i just blew my sub so I could really use a replacement!!
Buy a replacement sub
@@fusiondensity3287 🤦♂️ oh man what a great idea! Did you come up with that that all by yourself!? 🤣😂🤣😂🙃
I plan on doing just that! But something to get my bass back till i drop 1200 on a sub would be pretty cool especially if its a gift!
Stop being a hater and negative person you might make more friends that way!
Dang man always a bad day when you blow a sub!! Just part of the game
@@TheOrigonalTiny stop being a begger. Nobody feels sorry for you. Get a job and buy your own sub or just listen to some ear buds from Walmart if you can afford that
I HAD an EVL 15 in a 6th order on a Smart 3
Cool video Parker thank you!
Have you ever used an audiocontrol epicenter in dash? It has an spl meter built into it. I just wonder how accurate it is. I've gotten it to measure well over 150 in my car.
I currently have 4 DB 8’s on 5k GZ. Already thinking about getting new box and put two 15’s to get more cone area and better lows
It also depends on the amp hooked up to the sub and other factors. My friend had a 15 inch sub woofer. I had 2 12 inch subwoofers. My 12s were louder than his 15. Just 1 if my 12s was louder than his 15.
😢yes it depends on the make of the sub coz it happened to me too
Lovin the Half Cab Shoes Parker 🛹
i've wanted a bass meter for so long but I just can't justify the price. New amp or spl labs meter? I have to go with the amp since the meter will get old in 5 minutes and I've already experimented with a bunch of different setups. I'm pretty happy with what I have now, 3 skarVXF 15's
Very cool video. I recently traded 4 Alpine Type R 12’s for 2 Sundown 18” XV3. Working on getting the box built. Can’t wait to get these slammin.
The 4 12" s prob would have hit better but the 18" will have a nice sound
@@matthewsanchez956 they hit so hard. But the SQ wasn’t very good.
I have a 15 inch Memphis that slabs and I tried replacing it with four eights once and those 8 inch woofers were in my truck and out of my truck in one day bigger subs are the way to go for sure
Put both box's in on same power and see if you get more db with same power and more cone area? And if the peaks are the same or if they compliment each other at different hertz ect.
This is officially my favorite channel
Means a lot man!!!
Left no doubt, good video!
"Guys" count was at 45. HAHAHA! Just busting your chops Parker. I really enjoy your videos and will keep watching as long as you make them. Great work very informative.
Does it matter where the sub located?I have my sub facing up (top trunk) & port hole facing taillights. I feel like it it's deeper with less trunk rattling v.s sub & port facing taillights.
Those Taramps are no joke!!!! I know it was just quick blerps but witch sub sounded the best to your calibrated ears do you think? I have seen high readings on some meters but it didn't sound all that great in person. Just wondering, love your videos though!!
Awsome video like always
Yo. That's sounds great and the box is bad ass
That's a great entertainment experiment!
hey man which taramps 1 channel is good for 1500-2000w approx. at 2-ohm clean power coz options are too many
Nice video I wish you would’ve tried a comparison for the Memphis Dual basket Subwoofers
Another absolute banger!