Thank you for your suggestion. We are currently producing this K sheath, which can be used with Leatherman's signal and will be released soon. Next month, I will replace the whistle ignition stick function with a whistle sharpening stick, and the price will be lowered accordingly. We have also changed the spray painting process of the pliers, which is the least likely to peel off the paint and feels very smooth to the touch. As for the 5mm screw head, I didn't expect everyone to dislike it. I will consider replacing it with a 6.35 one for future products.
This is fantastic! Glad to hear it. Any chance you can make that video about the punching process on the pliers? As soon as I can confirm it truly is from forged plates I can make a follow-up video.
@@maxlvledc I have repeatedly urged the factory to shoot the video about the G10 pliers head and precision punching video as soon as possible. I will definitely send out the video next month. G10 will produce new ones next month, and they will shoot a video for me then. I will post it on my channel and let you know in advance in your comment section
@@DAYOKU74 PLEASE make a TSA compliant multi tool that is affordable like this. They can have small scissors, just no knife blade at all. www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/multi-tools
I actually kinda like that you have to open the pliers on the Signal to get to the ferro rod I'm probably just paranoid but I would be very worried about losing it but I definitely agree about the rod sticking out from the plastic being a much better design
Would love to see multiple channels doing their own torture tests on those forged plier heads to see how they hold up, especially in comparison to something like the surge, wave, swisstool, spirit, centerdrive etc.
I have many Leathermans and wanna be Leathermans. I am not using them to their full potential: just handy stuff here and there. Maybe that explains why, but I have never needed a stronger plier head than Leatherman tools provide. Most of the time the spring loaded tools are plenty strong, at least for me.
I actually like the Surge clones better. Quality is just as good for a fraction of the price without crappy proprietary bits. They could at least use a quality steel for the blade.
I love my leatherman surge with bit kits and ratchet driver works very well for the job's i use it for also the leatherman super tool 300 also a very nice multi tool but yes i see where your coming from with the price but leatherman has that 25years with there tool's. So worth the extra cost i say
Super intriguing developments! Can’t wait to find out if the last ones are indeed a superior process for pliers. Would be interesting to see if the price will go up if it catches on 👍👍👍
@@maxlvledcas in the hole is too small or too large? I'd be willing to drill out the hole some more if it's too small or find a way to add an interior washer if it's too large.
I can tell you it would be pretty easy to tell if they are casted or punched. Casting flaws are easily spotted in lower cost tools. Also even though destructive, grinding on casted materials can show flaws deeper in the casting. Also the grain structure would be completely different looking grinding on a casted material vs. stamped. I work on presses for a living so I’ve seen how various types of processed metals react and perform.
Thank you for your assessment in evaluating the featured multitools. Leatherman better fix some of the issues with their multitools and provide more cost-friendly replacement parts and accessories as many newer manufacturers are looking to out compete them. Happy Trails! 🇺🇸 🏕 🌲
hi, great video, I agree about the ferro rod situation as you mentioned. the saw on the signal clone looks in their video ineffective, have you tested it? because I am thinking of buying it and their video (in aliexpress) is done very poorly. I would have bought the signal but Leatherman are very expensive in Israel, about twice as much as the price in the US. about the pliers, I think most of the users of the multitools dont experience problems with the pliers so I dont believe it will be a deal breaker.
I looked at the aliexpress listing for the Dakoyu multitool and did not see a mention of the word forged or forging anywhere on the product page. Unless it is specifically claimed, I would assume they're cast per the price point this multitool sits at. The investment cost even in China to produce a forged part like that would make it dramatically more expensive.
Really liking these multi tools with the changeable handle scales I would love to see some fancier materials offered like some of the crazy carbon fiber that's currently being used in the knife industry even regular weave carbon fiber & micarta would be awesome.if you in contact with this manufacturer please suggest to them to offer some carbon fiber & micarta handle scales for these cool tools.
I'm hoping you can help me. I am looking for a Multitool with decent blade steel like s35 with locking blades. Also would like to have a inline 1/4" bit driver. Good scissors. Nice tool set. And somewhat affordable. I know I'm asking for a lot. What can you recommend? Thank you. Love your videos but so many options now days I'm at a loss
I have a super tool 300 right now that the pliers snapped off on one side. I then decided to upgrade at that point to a dual force for a stronger pliers head. However I do miss the pointed " needle nose" ends for some tasks. However the wider opening jaws are great. If those pliers are as strong as you think they could be, then it would really be a game changer!
Punched and forged isn't the same. I couldn't find any video of the process, so sadly i can't review it myself. Is it possible that with punched they mean "stamped/punched" out, like it's done with basically all steel good, and then aften milled, effectively making it so called "billet" (not necessarily better than cast, it depends many factors, but better material is an option)?
A forge rolled sheet will ALWAYS be stronger than the same steel using a casting process. There are dozens of research articles to this effect. It is however true that some cast steels may be stronger than some forged rolled plates, but the two would both have to be different.
@@maxlvledc Agree 100%. It would be great to see the HRC, it could give a clue about wear resistance. Cast have a tendency to be more wear resistance, even at medium quality alloys PS Hot rolled has a lower yield strength than cold rolled. Steel properties is kind of my profession (toolmaker)
I want to like the Signal, but the pliers open/latch drove me nuts. And its too heavy for my pocket. And I hate the bit driver, WTF. Could we just stop with the BS bits and bitdrivers not being standard at 1/4" hex. If the Rebar could have "good" scissors I would buy 2 more and throw away all the others (except for the Roxon SL2 Elite and the SOG Powerpont). The clones are interesting but always seem to be made of "quality" steel. Oh yeah before I forget....why make a file with only one side? Why not coarse on the left and fine on the right??? And really I don't need a 1-1/2" ruler. At that size I can guess. If only I could run Leatherman (and Swiss Army knife/Victorinox) for One week! 👾
Thank you for your suggestion. We are currently producing this K sheath, which can be used with Leatherman's signal and will be released soon. Next month, I will replace the whistle ignition stick function with a whistle sharpening stick, and the price will be lowered accordingly. We have also changed the spray painting process of the pliers, which is the least likely to peel off the paint and feels very smooth to the touch. As for the 5mm screw head, I didn't expect everyone to dislike it. I will consider replacing it with a 6.35 one for future products.
This is fantastic! Glad to hear it. Any chance you can make that video about the punching process on the pliers? As soon as I can confirm it truly is from forged plates I can make a follow-up video.
@@maxlvledc I have repeatedly urged the factory to shoot the video about the G10 pliers head and precision punching video as soon as possible. I will definitely send out the video next month. G10 will produce new ones next month, and they will shoot a video for me then. I will post it on my channel and let you know in advance in your comment section
@@DAYOKU74 PLEASE make a TSA compliant multi tool that is affordable like this. They can have small scissors, just no knife blade at all. www.tsa.gov/travel/security-screening/whatcanibring/items/multi-tools
I'll be buying one,nice!
Please make a inline ratchet driver. Everyone is looking for one!
I actually kinda like that you have to open the pliers on the Signal to get to the ferro rod I'm probably just paranoid but I would be very worried about losing it but I definitely agree about the rod sticking out from the plastic being a much better design
Would love to see multiple channels doing their own torture tests on those forged plier heads to see how they hold up, especially in comparison to something like the surge, wave, swisstool, spirit, centerdrive etc.
then you would have to be willing to lose $500 plus on multitools lol.
I have many Leathermans and wanna be Leathermans. I am not using them to their full potential: just handy stuff here and there. Maybe that explains why, but I have never needed a stronger plier head than Leatherman tools provide. Most of the time the spring loaded tools are plenty strong, at least for me.
Used my leatherman surge with bit kits and ratchet driver today very happy with it yea buddy 🤘
I actually like the Surge clones better. Quality is just as good for a fraction of the price without crappy proprietary bits. They could at least use a quality steel for the blade.
I love my leatherman surge with bit kits and ratchet driver works very well for the job's i use it for also the leatherman super tool 300 also a very nice multi tool but yes i see where your coming from with the price but leatherman has that 25years with there tool's. So worth the extra cost i say
Super intriguing developments! Can’t wait to find out if the last ones are indeed a superior process for pliers. Would be interesting to see if the price will go up if it catches on 👍👍👍
Check what the pliers fit into? If they actually forge them, we can consider replacing them in mods.
the pivot size is definitely not compatible with Leatherman, already confirmed that.
I'm very interested in which tools those pliers will fit in as well
@@maxlvledcas in the hole is too small or too large? I'd be willing to drill out the hole some more if it's too small or find a way to add an interior washer if it's too large.
what are some good interchangeable EDC multitools?
One with no saw! I hope! 😁🇨🇦
I can tell you it would be pretty easy to tell if they are casted or punched. Casting flaws are easily spotted in lower cost tools. Also even though destructive, grinding on casted materials can show flaws deeper in the casting.
Also the grain structure would be completely different looking grinding on a casted material vs. stamped.
I work on presses for a living so I’ve seen how various types of processed metals react and perform.
Need some good cutters for gerber mp600 any recommendations?
Thank you for your assessment in evaluating the featured multitools.
Leatherman better fix some of the issues with their multitools and provide more cost-friendly replacement parts and accessories as many newer manufacturers are looking to out compete them.
Happy Trails!
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Hey Dom, just a PSA. Alpaka has a nice sale going on certain items til sept. 2nd. Thought maybe it’d be worth a community post to spread the word. 👍
Nice overview Dom. Maybe there is a stress test that can be applied to the plier heads
no Idea how I would do it without breaking them.
@@maxlvledc Oh there would be a need for sacrifice may the best plier head win
My dual force has the strongest pliers out of all my multi tools.
that gap in signal clone i saw also in other reviews
I've been using Leatherman tools for over 30 years. PST,Wave. Warranty is great 👍 I'm using what works for me.
hi, great video, I agree about the ferro rod situation as you mentioned. the saw on the signal clone looks in their video ineffective, have you tested it? because I am thinking of buying it and their video (in aliexpress) is done very poorly. I would have bought the signal but Leatherman are very expensive in Israel, about twice as much as the price in the US. about the pliers, I think most of the users of the multitools dont experience problems with the pliers so I dont believe it will be a deal breaker.
And thank you for doing these kinds of comparisons along with your insights.
Is anybody making Leatherman style bits that are stronger or a better steel? That would be great because their bits are a little bit soft.
The multi tool in 16:00 that has the prying file is actually a metal scribe just think about it a hard sharp point on a file makes sense right?
I looked at the aliexpress listing for the Dakoyu multitool and did not see a mention of the word forged or forging anywhere on the product page.
Unless it is specifically claimed, I would assume they're cast per the price point this multitool sits at. The investment cost even in China to produce a forged part like that would make it dramatically more expensive.
I know this isnt directly related, but Have you ever used a pipe vise micro mini or similar? Was looking at one vs the knipex wrench, thanks!
Really liking these multi tools with the changeable handle scales I would love to see some fancier materials offered like some of the crazy carbon fiber that's currently being used in the knife industry even regular weave carbon fiber & micarta would be awesome.if you in contact with this manufacturer please suggest to them to offer some carbon fiber & micarta handle scales for these cool tools.
Are there any multi tools that we know have forged pliers?
What model is that dakoyu multitool
no idea, not really good names for these.
Maybe they gave u the extra cutters to put on where they messed up lol
I'm hoping you can help me. I am looking for a Multitool with decent blade steel like s35 with locking blades. Also would like to have a inline 1/4" bit driver. Good scissors. Nice tool set. And somewhat affordable. I know I'm asking for a lot. What can you recommend? Thank you. Love your videos but so many options now days I'm at a loss
I have a super tool 300 right now that the pliers snapped off on one side. I then decided to upgrade at that point to a dual force for a stronger pliers head. However I do miss the pointed " needle nose" ends for some tasks. However the wider opening jaws are great. If those pliers are as strong as you think they could be, then it would really be a game changer!
lets hope
I believe the old Gerber MP1 had forged pliers
Nice review also got the knife from the livestream thanks
sweet!
Cool
I'm tired of bit sets coming with flathead bits. I can't remember the last time I saw a flat head screw
Is there any website out there checking the steel on these tools? Is there any way to check?
its not necessarily composition but rather processing. Without a microscope and knowing what I'm looking at, not really.
The Gerber MP1 supposedly had a forged plier head . I never subjected mine to heavy use as they looked weedy . I no longer have the MP1
oh?? I'll have to check it out.
thanks for showing a possible game changer
My Leatherman mini P4 I tried using the file to pry and 2 seconds later broke. You are right about this being stupid as a pry tool
Cant find the signal clone anywhere
Punched and forged isn't the same. I couldn't find any video of the process, so sadly i can't review it myself. Is it possible that with punched they mean "stamped/punched" out, like it's done with basically all steel good, and then aften milled, effectively making it so called "billet" (not necessarily better than cast, it depends many factors, but better material is an option)?
A forge rolled sheet will ALWAYS be stronger than the same steel using a casting process. There are dozens of research articles to this effect. It is however true that some cast steels may be stronger than some forged rolled plates, but the two would both have to be different.
@@maxlvledc Agree 100%. It would be great to see the HRC, it could give a clue about wear resistance. Cast have a tendency to be more wear resistance, even at medium quality alloys
PS Hot rolled has a lower yield strength than cold rolled. Steel properties is kind of my profession (toolmaker)
Wasn't the Gerber M1 forged plierhead? Got it.
I'll check, didn't know that if so.
Hmm... The camo and the Ti multitool are $54 & $63 respectively - not $20 - $30. At those prices, a bit hesitant to purchase.
@@dominicl8261 what prices are you seeing?
actually 440 A steel is very similar to 420hc steel, 440A has a little more carbon
More carbon is good for sharpening a shaving edge.
from Larin Thomas :440A -- 3.5 edge retention, 3.5 toughness
420HC (1.5 Edge Retention, 9 Toughness.
so quite different in many ways.
I want to like the Signal, but the pliers open/latch drove me nuts. And its too heavy for my pocket. And I hate the bit driver, WTF.
Could we just stop with the BS bits and bitdrivers not being standard at 1/4" hex.
If the Rebar could have "good" scissors I would buy 2 more and throw away all the others (except for the Roxon SL2 Elite and the SOG Powerpont).
The clones are interesting but always seem to be made of "quality" steel.
Oh yeah before I forget....why make a file with only one side? Why not coarse on the left and fine on the right???
And really I don't need a 1-1/2" ruler. At that size I can guess.
If only I could run Leatherman (and Swiss Army knife/Victorinox) for One week!
👾
5mm bits, what a STUPID pointless fail !!
When’s the next stream
What’s the name of the second one? First is dakuyo
Also Dakoyu, DK-G10
its made by same..but they didnt have a good name for it..frustrating I know...G10 multitool something..
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1! ;)