I use credit cards, hotel key cards or a similar material as a burnishing or alignment tool and also to apply epoxy (cut card to size of guide wrap or to a point to apply small amount of epoxy at end of guide wrap) Credit card can also be used as a spatula for applying or leveling large applications of epoxy. BTW, The information you provide is the best explained info I have ever come across in my 70 years of building and repairing rods...KUDOS TO YOU!
Great tips and thank you for the compliment. Wow, 70 years of rod building! You must know every trick in the book...thank you for sharing your knowledge!
The idea of starting out by doing it by hand (the epoxy finish and drying) is an excellent one. I agree that it gives you a much better idea of how much epoxy to use and you also learn the drying characteristics of the epoxy you're using. Once you've got some experience you can then go to a rod dryer if desired. But if you're just wrapping the occasional rod for yourself, chances are you will carry on doing it by hand. Also, the tip to practice on a cheap bit of 'yard sale' type fiberglass rod is such a great idea. I wonder how many novice rod wrappers have wasted a decent rod blank by omitting this learning step.
Very informative! I have not watched all of your videos yet, so sorry if this question has already been addressed, but could you give us some tips about applying epoxy on large surfaces, (on stickers decals for instance)? It is very difficult to keep a thin and even layer.
If you do need heat in your shop, try a high efficiency wall heater. One we have is by E-Heat. Pennies to run, but takes an hour to heat the room. Wood stove not great due to ash and dust.
Haha! I do all my rod building in my house. My shop is where all of my table saws, band saws router tables and things like that are. Way too dusty in there for rod building! I work on cars and do woodworking in the shop. A/C and heat are almost a necessity to get consistent epoxy work done...at least for me it is.
@@TheFishingHobby OK... same here. I build most of my rods over winter, and it's cold in my project space in the house. Gotta run a space heater to keep the epoxy fluid. I also live 8mi up on dirt roads. I won't be doing any professional finishing work from here. But I'll be darned if that'll keep me from spinning out a rod or two over winter.
That is kind of a tricky question to answer. It depends on several factors like what kind of thread you are using. Nylon stretches more than polyester, silk has almost no stretch to it. I usually use a little more tension on nylon because it stretches more. I use a little less tension with polyester thread because it doesn't stretch as much as nylon. I use a little less tension with silk than polyester because it is even less stretchy. You will want to wrap with enough tension to keep your wraps from moving around too easily once you have them in place. You do want to be able to move them a little for packing the treads together to fill in any gaps you may have and to straighten up the ends, but you don't want them so loose that the tag ends are too easy to pull back out from under your threads which would make your wrap come apart. In my opinion, a completed wrap that is holding a guide in place should be just loose enough that the guide can be moved a small amount so that you can do a final alignment/adjustment of the guide positions before you epoxy everything in place. And when I say you should be able to move the guide, I mean a very small amount of movement. They need to be pretty close to their final position before wrapping is started and loose enough to make very minor adjustments once the wrap is completed. That is probably as clear as mud 😆 It is kind of hard to explain. You will get a feel for it pretty quickly though, especially if you tend to use the same type of thread a lot. I hope that helps instead of causing more confusion! Good luck with your rod building! Hope to see you post something on your channel when you get started!
@@TheFishingHobby Going to start off with polyester machine embroidery thread (40 wt). I will...muddle...through lol. I think I get what you are saying though and like so many things, when I find the sweet spot, I'll know it.
Polyester machine embroidery thread is what I use almost exclusively. I put together a video about polyester machine embroidery thread for rod building a while back you may find useful: ruclips.net/video/EuAdjqtSSJQ/видео.html
@@TheFishingHobby lol it's almost like I am following your playbook! Next, guess what I am going to use instead of epoxy on the threads after using Modge Podge !
@@MakeItTakeItOutdoors 😆 The clear gorilla glue works well. It is also easier to remove if you have to replace a guide. It really isn't something I'd recommend if you are selling rods because you can get a better result with epoxy, but it is a really simple and quick solution for personal use rods. A lot less of a learning curve than epoxy as well. In the video I did about the clear gorilla glue I mentioned that you don't need a rod dryer to use it, but you can get even better results if you use one and you don't need to worry about using the cup of hot water trick to set it if you use a dryer either. Here is a rod grip I did using a rod dryer: ruclips.net/video/vALgsPnQzd4/видео.html And here is an update about it: ruclips.net/video/0yaqBmmT6HE/видео.html
Trilobal polyester machine embroidery thread from Coats and Clark. It doesn't really have a size marked on any of the spools of it I have but it is pretty small diameter stuff. No fuzziness to the thread, works well for guide wraps on most rods. You probably want something a little thicker for bigger rods with really long wraps or it would take a lot of wrapping time with this small diameter thread. Most Walmart stores carry it in the sewing area. I have found other nice machine embroidery thread at Hobby Lobby that works well with no fuzziness too.
Great Video!! I do have a question and hopefully you can help. What kind of thread do you use to wrap? I'm new to rod building and have been told to use Nylon. I noticed that Fuji thread is 100% Polyester!?!? Do you use mod podge / CP with both types of thread? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Can't wait for some new content!!
I usually use good quality machine embroidery thread and that is polyester. The major thing you want to look for in whatever type of thread you use is checking to make sure it has VERY little to no fuzziness to it. Nylon is typically preferred by most rod builders. My recommendation is to practice with anything you can find inexpensively and locally on an old broken rod blank or a fiberglass rod like the one I show in this video. Once you get the hang of it, buy some decent thread and an inexpensive blank and attempt your first build. You'll learn so much from that first build, it will really help you out a lot. My first build, I used an inexpensive 5 minute epoxy...I made it work but I wouldn't recommend it. The rod building epoxy is so much easier to work with that it is well worth the money and it will help keep your frustration levels down. CP isn't required, but it keeps non-cp treated thread from going translucent. Most any thread will go translucent unless it is either pretreated thread or metallic thread. Good luck and I hope you enjoy the hobby! Let me know if I can be of any help.
@@TheFishingHobby Thank you so much for the advice and for responding promptly. In the researching phase right now, but I will be going to the Big Box store and getting one of those fiberglass rods in the meantime and practicing my wraps! Thanks again!
@@@cloaiza613 No problem, always glad to help. I'm definitely not a pro but I have done quite a few rods and know enough to help people get started. Always feel free to ask if you have any questions.
I use credit cards, hotel key cards or a similar material as a burnishing or alignment tool and also to apply epoxy (cut card to size of guide wrap or to a point to apply small amount of epoxy at end of guide wrap) Credit card can also be used as a spatula for applying or leveling large applications of epoxy. BTW, The information you provide is the best explained info I have ever come across in my 70 years of building and repairing rods...KUDOS TO YOU!
Great tips and thank you for the compliment. Wow, 70 years of rod building! You must know every trick in the book...thank you for sharing your knowledge!
Good information! Your videos are greatly appreciated.
Thank you!
The idea of starting out by doing it by hand (the epoxy finish and drying) is an excellent one. I agree that it gives you a much better idea of how much epoxy to use and you also learn the drying characteristics of the epoxy you're using. Once you've got some experience you can then go to a rod dryer if desired. But if you're just wrapping the occasional rod for yourself, chances are you will carry on doing it by hand.
Also, the tip to practice on a cheap bit of 'yard sale' type fiberglass rod is such a great idea. I wonder how many novice rod wrappers have wasted a decent rod blank by omitting this learning step.
Best thread-wrapping intro I've seen in a while! Lots of awesome tips! Thanks.
Thank you!
The mod poge info is what I was looking for.
Thanks for the spiral wrap tips. I have a hard time trying to wrap it using the other techniques shown on other youtube video.
Great channel, guys!
Thank you!
My favorite rod,it's my pal; and the only one who really knows about the one that got away, would hate to get rid of it, thanks for your information .
Wow, excellent video on how to do this!
Thank you!
This is an awesome video. I've got a couple rods that needs this now I know how. Thanks so much
Hope it helps! Thanks!
Good information, thanks for posting this video.
Really liked this video
Thank you!
Looks really good!
Professional work. Nice.
Thanks!
Nice job! Look's pretty good!
Thanks!
Interesting video. Looks like quite a process.
It looks worse than it is 😆
Thanks for this video. I need to replace a guide and found this - I'm seeing it won't be that difficult!
I'm glad it helped, good luck to you with the repair!
You're doing great with the rod building!
Thanks!
Very informative! I have not watched all of your videos yet, so sorry if this question has already been addressed, but could you give us some tips about applying epoxy on large surfaces, (on stickers decals for instance)? It is very difficult to keep a thin and even layer.
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Very informative! What kind of orange thread are you using at the 37 second mark?
It is actually a copper metallic thread. Here is the link to the thread I used on that wrap: www.walmart.com/ip/20682953
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Thank you sir!
Nice job my friend 😃 sweet greetings, sassyfamilie 😉 thump up for this video 👍
Thank you!
If you do need heat in your shop, try a high efficiency wall heater. One we have is by E-Heat. Pennies to run, but takes an hour to heat the room. Wood stove not great due to ash and dust.
I think my shop is too big to heat unless I insulated it. It is 1400 square feet with a ceiling height at the peak of 20 feet.
@@TheFishingHobby Yes. That's not a shop, that's a barn! :) Esp if you want it warm enough to work with epoxy.
Haha! I do all my rod building in my house. My shop is where all of my table saws, band saws router tables and things like that are. Way too dusty in there for rod building! I work on cars and do woodworking in the shop. A/C and heat are almost a necessity to get consistent epoxy work done...at least for me it is.
@@TheFishingHobby OK... same here. I build most of my rods over winter, and it's cold in my project space in the house. Gotta run a space heater to keep the epoxy fluid. I also live 8mi up on dirt roads. I won't be doing any professional finishing work from here. But I'll be darned if that'll keep me from spinning out a rod or two over winter.
Whatever it takes!
Good vid
Thanks!
Everyone of your points was dead on. Thanks! Yes. We all screw up!
I do all the time 😁
So when you start the wrap, how tight do you want to be wrapping? Probably going to redo an existing Ugly Stik or two soon!
That is kind of a tricky question to answer. It depends on several factors like what kind of thread you are using. Nylon stretches more than polyester, silk has almost no stretch to it. I usually use a little more tension on nylon because it stretches more. I use a little less tension with polyester thread because it doesn't stretch as much as nylon. I use a little less tension with silk than polyester because it is even less stretchy. You will want to wrap with enough tension to keep your wraps from moving around too easily once you have them in place. You do want to be able to move them a little for packing the treads together to fill in any gaps you may have and to straighten up the ends, but you don't want them so loose that the tag ends are too easy to pull back out from under your threads which would make your wrap come apart. In my opinion, a completed wrap that is holding a guide in place should be just loose enough that the guide can be moved a small amount so that you can do a final alignment/adjustment of the guide positions before you epoxy everything in place. And when I say you should be able to move the guide, I mean a very small amount of movement. They need to be pretty close to their final position before wrapping is started and loose enough to make very minor adjustments once the wrap is completed. That is probably as clear as mud 😆
It is kind of hard to explain. You will get a feel for it pretty quickly though, especially if you tend to use the same type of thread a lot.
I hope that helps instead of causing more confusion!
Good luck with your rod building! Hope to see you post something on your channel when you get started!
@@TheFishingHobby Going to start off with polyester machine embroidery thread (40 wt). I will...muddle...through lol. I think I get what you are saying though and like so many things, when I find the sweet spot, I'll know it.
Polyester machine embroidery thread is what I use almost exclusively. I put together a video about polyester machine embroidery thread for rod building a while back you may find useful: ruclips.net/video/EuAdjqtSSJQ/видео.html
@@TheFishingHobby lol it's almost like I am following your playbook! Next, guess what I am going to use instead of epoxy on the threads after using Modge Podge !
@@MakeItTakeItOutdoors 😆
The clear gorilla glue works well. It is also easier to remove if you have to replace a guide. It really isn't something I'd recommend if you are selling rods because you can get a better result with epoxy, but it is a really simple and quick solution for personal use rods. A lot less of a learning curve than epoxy as well. In the video I did about the clear gorilla glue I mentioned that you don't need a rod dryer to use it, but you can get even better results if you use one and you don't need to worry about using the cup of hot water trick to set it if you use a dryer either.
Here is a rod grip I did using a rod dryer: ruclips.net/video/vALgsPnQzd4/видео.html
And here is an update about it: ruclips.net/video/0yaqBmmT6HE/видео.html
Well done! Have you sold any of your guide wrappers yet?
Not yet. I don't really expect them to move quickly (kind of a small niche market).
True, but it's still a very useful item for somebody who makes or repairs rods at home.
It really is. This one is small enough to store easily and it works great too.
Sold one this weekend 👍 Hope he enjoys it
Awesome!
What size thread did you use here?
Trilobal polyester machine embroidery thread from Coats and Clark. It doesn't really have a size marked on any of the spools of it I have but it is pretty small diameter stuff. No fuzziness to the thread, works well for guide wraps on most rods. You probably want something a little thicker for bigger rods with really long wraps or it would take a lot of wrapping time with this small diameter thread. Most Walmart stores carry it in the sewing area. I have found other nice machine embroidery thread at Hobby Lobby that works well with no fuzziness too.
Great Video!! I do have a question and hopefully you can help. What kind of thread do you use to wrap? I'm new to rod building and have been told to use Nylon. I noticed that Fuji thread is 100% Polyester!?!? Do you use mod podge / CP with both types of thread? Any advice would be greatly appreciated. Can't wait for some new content!!
I usually use good quality machine embroidery thread and that is polyester. The major thing you want to look for in whatever type of thread you use is checking to make sure it has VERY little to no fuzziness to it. Nylon is typically preferred by most rod builders.
My recommendation is to practice with anything you can find inexpensively and locally on an old broken rod blank or a fiberglass rod like the one I show in this video. Once you get the hang of it, buy some decent thread and an inexpensive blank and attempt your first build. You'll learn so much from that first build, it will really help you out a lot. My first build, I used an inexpensive 5 minute epoxy...I made it work but I wouldn't recommend it. The rod building epoxy is so much easier to work with that it is well worth the money and it will help keep your frustration levels down.
CP isn't required, but it keeps non-cp treated thread from going translucent. Most any thread will go translucent unless it is either pretreated thread or metallic thread. Good luck and I hope you enjoy the hobby! Let me know if I can be of any help.
@@TheFishingHobby Thank you so much for the advice and for responding promptly. In the researching phase right now, but I will be going to the Big Box store and getting one of those fiberglass rods in the meantime and practicing my wraps! Thanks again!
@@@cloaiza613
No problem, always glad to help.
I'm definitely not a pro but I have done quite a few rods and know enough to help people get started.
Always feel free to ask if you have any questions.
Looks really good!
Thank you!