what I find quite striking is how with old plastic objects, once you get past some threshold age, the plastic on the older ones tends to be in far better condition because some of the formerly common old plastic types (mostly first half of the 20th century I think) were much more durable and don't seem to decompose at all, whereas now almost all of the plastic used even for things not technically meant to be disposable only lasts 5-20 years before it crumbles.
@@TheRealZJE313 4,800 I mean it aint that bad all things considered id have to blow my checking account but i suppose i could buy it and go get my money back.
Vitruvius Yeah I don't know about that, the army could have just done nothing to the M1918 BAR instead of "upgrading" it to the M1918A2 and it would have been better for no cost...
Forgotten Weapons, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply. I was making a simple funny about an article recently on the news which quickly became a meme. You have really cool content here
How many of those ultra pricey semi-auto Thompsons do they even sell? I've never personally seen one. I always assumed that wealthy collectors who couldn't buy a vintage auto Thompson for legal reasons bought the new ones to hang on the wall for the coolness factor.
The video shows it all. It might be heavier but the barrel harmonics are steady. That compensator on the Monitor caused all kinds of crazy vibrations and harmonics! Good Video!
Nothing like Ian and and a super cool BAR variant! Seriously, great video man. It's always interesting seeing the progression of and old style automatic rifle like this.
And Bonnie's. Little lady firing that big gun at cops. One said he ran behind a tree and had splinters hitting him when Bonnie was peppering the tree with rounds.
I would expect that before the invention and popularisation of assault rifle the police would gain quite a lot of interest in your person if they got to know that you happen to use light machinegun or automatic rifle for your personal defence.
You are By FAR the BEST gun channel EVER!!! Always enjoy watching your detailed and meticulous explanations of these magnificent machines. Getting to watch you SHOOT them is whipped cream and cherries on an already wonderful experience☺️👌
Is there some reason the BAR didn't get a larger magazine? Surely at this point, someone had to think "might as well!" since the thing is already a boat anchor.
Longer mags potentially interfered with prone shooting. There were 40-rounders made experimentally for antiaircraft use, but nothing like that was put into production.
Forgotten Weapons i am surprised that someone didnt come up with a double stacked tapered feed system....i know the issues involved, but worth a try as its such a great gun. Nice video Ian, as ever!
Having seen, handled, and fired the A2 BAR several times, I can say that because of the construction of the weapon, there really was no good way to increase magazine capacity. Even with the bipod mounted, the weapon is just too low to the ground to have any bigger magazine. Yes, someone could have theoretically done it, but this was the 1930s, the Great Depression. The A2 modifications were adopted in 1938.
You certainly know your weapons! I'm greatly impressed with your knowledge of the history of these many different guns as well as the specifics of each gun you test. Great job!
Nice. Hadn't heard of these. Looks like a solid design, but solidly heavy too. The bipod looks excellent, but adds a lot of weight. Sounds like FN came up with an easier barrel detach system. Ah, what might have been (the saddest words of mice and men). Great video as always. Thank you
The Bar was excellent. Only limited to the short mags.. but, you did have an assistant gunner. As for the weight, that is why Bubba was issued it. Yes in combat we all like lighter and think it's better. But sometimes.. a little extra weight, even if 5 lbs, is worth it.
I am starting to use your work as reference now usually in conjunction with other historical and period films, I think films should have links at the end for these superb nuggets, now smart streaming TVs are becoming increasingly popular 😀
It's interesting to see the slow motion of the case ejections. In particular, that they vary significantly. It seems like it would be really hard to solve those edge cases where everything goes wrong and you get a failure to eject.
The Army made 40-rnd AA mags as well. They were taken out of service in 1928. Should have thrown them in storage and brought them back for WW2. Since the BAR ended being used for its original purpose of "Walking Fire" about half the time anyway.
@@hendo337 Yeah, they later determined that Clyde was doing the jungle-war trick of attaching the two magazines alongside each other (one pointed up/one pointed down), for fast reloading. (A lot easier than franken-engineering a single mag out of them.) Somebody later said that he actually combined *three* mags that way, but I could find no confirmation. Saw a picture of a guy in VN that actually cut/welded two 20rnd M14 mags to make a 30rnd mag. Said there was a lot of trial & error fiddling and in the end he couldn't get full 40rnds capacity because he had to use 3x springs in the thing just to get it to work smoothly! Last but not least, the FN-licensed BAR Model-D used *25-rnd. mags* that were slightly curved at the bottom. Why the Army didn't grab those is beyond me. More of that Pre-War "Not Invented Here" shite!
There is something impressive about the BAR. Not the best solution, but a marvellous piece all the same. It looks as though it means business. Wow what a great sound...shame about the 20 round mag, its just not enough. Surely JMB could have designed a sort of double stacked single feed that would have worked. Great video Ian!
I just watched another Forgotten Weapons BAR video, the one about the franken-BAR that shoots 7mm mauser. Very cool how this video shows why that BAR had that wear pattern right behind the ejection port. Every case does that quick flip and smacks right into that spot.
The 248 SAW and 240B of today isn't much better on barrel changing. It's a cumbersome act when under fire. Just requires lots of drills, then it becomes second nature and only takes a few seconds.
Colt purchased rights to the patent on the BAR owned by Browning Arms. The Browning Automatic Rifle was a favorite of Clyde (Bonnie and Clyde) and saw a lot of use in WWII. My Browning BAR hunting rifle in the early 2000s was still using some of the design, but was no longer capable of automatic fire and was on a much lighter frame.
It was never a true light machine gun like the bren or cz30 person and the chatellerau. It was intended for walk in fire. It was harder to reload than any of these guns. Even the gunny admitted wqthat.
What was interesting in the slowmo on this video was how much the gun didn't move, not in the bounce around sense but there was just nothing going on with gun whereas when you see other guns in full auto you can see a surprising amount of flex in the stock, barrel jacket, etc.
Do museums buy their guns from here? I binge watched a ton of these and ever since I started checking prices I’ve been pretty astounded usually. As a result I’ve also been wondering whether it’s just individuals with plenty of disposable income or museums more often than not or equally or what. Love the videos. Gun Jesus has a wonderful way with firearms, as one would expect.
Understanding the platforms shortcoming - this version of the BAR is the one I would want for my collection. Perhaps some day. That is very steady for 30-06 auto. And I really enjoy seeing a southpaw shoot firearms - nothing like powder burns up and down the right arm....
In the sixties the Marines trained us in ITR using the old M-1 and BAR from Korea War. These were heavy weapons and almost worn out. Looking back I learned respect for previous Marines that fought with these weapons. Semper Fi Vietnam 3/9 1968-69.
It would seem that there would be enough space for a 30 round magazine to be used when the BAR is used with the bi-pod and the shooter is in the prone position.
Thank god for The genius John M Browning. Just think of all the guns we wouldn’t have if he didn’t make all the superb weapons that he invented. Best weapons maker in the world hands down. Nobody comes close to him not Luger, Mauser, Thompson, Garand. They all had great one off weapons but Browning has multiple great weapons in every type of configuration. Nobody comes close.
FN is always confusing to me, as FN is the Scandinavian abbreviation for the United Nations, hehe.😅 So whenever you comment that FN was a major customer, I think the UN bought these guns, but they didn't exist until after WWII...😅
I wish companies would bring back some of their retro guns like the BAR and tommy gun and things, I know some manufacturers reproduce them but those are pretty expensive.
I know it is 2 years ago, but I just saw this. Just a thought: This would have been a perfect weapon to give a glimpse of the pattern you were shooting so we could see how the stability affected performance. Instead of tracking up and right with a "Grease Gun", for instance. I mean, you are at the range with a camera already . . .
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It always amazes me how well crafted so many things were made
“Back in the days”.
There was no thought put into “manufactured obsolescence”.
what I find quite striking is how with old plastic objects, once you get past some threshold age, the plastic on the older ones tends to be in far better condition because some of the formerly common old plastic types (mostly first half of the 20th century I think) were much more durable and don't seem to decompose at all, whereas now almost all of the plastic used even for things not technically meant to be disposable only lasts 5-20 years before it crumbles.
To be fair, it is not prepared for accelerated developmentp of technology, optics and shit.
What amazes me is how much thought IS put into planned obsolescence in modern products.
The BAR has such a confident solid sounding automatic report.
It sounds chunky in the best kinda way
Got a rhythm like a sewing machine. But for men.
It hurts my soul to think that I'll never own one of these... So freaking cool.
Buddy I feel your pain. You just can't beat belting out 30-06
@@tterryshenanigans1820 let's call colt and ask them to make a production run of this Colt monitor
HCAR is the next best bet hand has 30-round mag options
@@gabea3107 u just have one problem the price tag of 4800 bucks is way out of most people's price range
@@TheRealZJE313 4,800 I mean it aint that bad all things considered id have to blow my checking account but i suppose i could buy it and go get my money back.
Guns with machines receivers are a lovely thing to behold.
This seems to settle it... if you want the best BAR, make sure the Army isn't involved.
TheGoldenCaulk If you want the best of anything, make sure the Army isn’t involved.
The army optimizes for performance per price, not just performance. No bureaucracy is an effective optimizer.
Vitruvius Yeah I don't know about that, the army could have just done nothing to the M1918 BAR instead of "upgrading" it to the M1918A2 and it would have been better for no cost...
The army always makes the best of everything..... for the last war.
Agreed
Does this rifle come with *fullysemiautomatic* ?
No, only fully fully automatic. Although it does have a selector switch for semi fully automatic.
I heard from a retired army general say that fully semi automatic was super dangerous
what about a *adjustablefoldingbarrelshroud* ?
Forgotten Weapons, I really appreciate you taking the time to reply. I was making a simple funny about an article recently on the news which quickly became a meme. You have really cool content here
Everbody knows you never go fully semi automatic
These need to be reproduced like how auto ordinance does with the Thompson. Too cool.
How many of those ultra pricey semi-auto Thompsons do they even sell? I've never personally seen one. I always assumed that wealthy collectors who couldn't buy a vintage auto Thompson for legal reasons bought the new ones to hang on the wall for the coolness factor.
Ohio Ordnance is probably the closest you're going to get.
@@Borderline5440 I’ve checked them out since posting this. Worth the 6k in my opinion. Doubt you’d ever lose money on it.
@@bensch8604 Amusingly, adjusted for inflation, those Ohio Ordnance BARs and HCARs are worth as much as the $300 dollar Colt Monitor back in the day.
The video shows it all. It might be heavier but the barrel harmonics are steady. That compensator on the Monitor caused all kinds of crazy vibrations and harmonics!
Good Video!
Nothing like Ian and and a super cool BAR variant! Seriously, great video man. It's always interesting seeing the progression of and old style automatic rifle like this.
What a wonderous time this was, when a commercially released gun had a real need for a quick detachable barrel.
a box of amo must have been cheaper back then.
Commercial sales meant security organizations and foreign militaries, not US civilians. They could legally buy them, but virtually nobody did.
It was Clyde Barrow's favorite gun.
And Bonnie's. Little lady firing that big gun at cops. One said he ran behind a tree and had splinters hitting him when Bonnie was peppering the tree with rounds.
I would expect that before the invention and popularisation of assault rifle the police would gain quite a lot of interest in your person if they got to know that you happen to use light machinegun or automatic rifle for your personal defence.
You are By FAR the BEST gun channel EVER!!!
Always enjoy watching your detailed and meticulous explanations of these magnificent machines. Getting to watch you SHOOT them is whipped cream and cherries on an already wonderful experience☺️👌
Is there some reason the BAR didn't get a larger magazine? Surely at this point, someone had to think "might as well!" since the thing is already a boat anchor.
Longer mags potentially interfered with prone shooting. There were 40-rounders made experimentally for antiaircraft use, but nothing like that was put into production.
A drum maybe?
Forgotten Weapons i am surprised that someone didnt come up with a double stacked tapered feed system....i know the issues involved, but worth a try as its such a great gun. Nice video Ian, as ever!
OOW makes 30rnd mags for the BAR and they run flawlessly. I don't notice their extra length to be a big detriment.
Having seen, handled, and fired the A2 BAR several times, I can say that because of the construction of the weapon, there really was no good way to increase magazine capacity. Even with the bipod mounted, the weapon is just too low to the ground to have any bigger magazine.
Yes, someone could have theoretically done it, but this was the 1930s, the Great Depression. The A2 modifications were adopted in 1938.
Wowee that is one all business piece. A thing that's perfectly itself. Love it.
You certainly know your weapons! I'm greatly impressed with your knowledge of the history of these many different guns as well as the specifics of each gun you test. Great job!
Thanks for another great and educational video. It's not every day you get to watch someone shoot a Colt R75A.
Stacks of Thompsons in the background. Ian is legend
Nice. Hadn't heard of these. Looks like a solid design, but solidly heavy too. The bipod looks excellent, but adds a lot of weight. Sounds like FN came up with an easier barrel detach system. Ah, what might have been (the saddest words of mice and men). Great video as always. Thank you
The Bar was excellent. Only limited to the short mags.. but, you did have an assistant gunner. As for the weight, that is why Bubba was issued it. Yes in combat we all like lighter and think it's better. But sometimes.. a little extra weight, even if 5 lbs, is worth it.
But it's not worth it.
That reminds me an old WWII joke "Two Germans walk in to a BAR"
*GET ZE FÜCK AÜT FRÖM ZE ẞEÄCH*
Lmao
HAHAHAHAHA, I heard that.
And they took SHOTS
And they had a Garand time!
I have to admit this channel Never ceases to amaze me and with this badass rifle
Your doing some fantastic work displaying all of the old hero guns.
That is one *mean* looking BAR!
Have a look at the R80!
Glad I don't have to carry that.
Back when guns were unique and served a purpose. What a time to be alive
I just watched your review of the M-14 full auto. Seems quite a difference from that 14 now, that is almost as stable as a 1919A4
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I both hate this and love this on so many levels
Wow xD
ROFL 🤣
How can something be so utterly retarded but also a work of genius. I stand humbled
Wow, the video quality is stunning compared to all of the older videos I was just binge-watching.
glasses You watch Forgotten Weapons?
you know it
Just watching it and hearing fire tells me it's smooth and sweet to shoot.
That's a heavy boy.
I like how you can clearly see where the spring button in the original M1918 safety selector was.
Wow that new camera is suiting your videos well! Never realized the previous ones were so grey compared to this one!
Looks like a nice piece, colt had their stuff together way back then!
the coolest looking BAR, hands down
Damn that thing is sweet. Might not have been the best lmg in the war but anybody who stomped around with a bar is a total badass.
I am starting to use your work as reference now usually in conjunction with other historical and period films, I think films should have links at the end for these superb nuggets, now smart streaming TVs are becoming increasingly popular 😀
lol I'm glad he said the last of the commercial colt built BAR's. They are still made today.
It earned the award of really quite slick. That’s pretty good.
Gee wiz that looks so smooth hardly any kick back throwing it around thanks for the De o
Thanks gun jesus, james D julia and the owner of this firearm for the great vid.
Looks beautiful and I very much like how slick those dust covers are :D
It's interesting to see the slow motion of the case ejections. In particular, that they vary significantly. It seems like it would be really hard to solve those edge cases where everything goes wrong and you get a failure to eject.
The "D" from "Fn model D" is for "démontable", not "démontage"
"Démontage" means "disassembly", and "démontable" means "removable"
Alexis Balcerzak oh thank you,I was wondering
You have one of the coolest job's around.
Excellent video as always.
Well Done, Ian!!! Great seeing a Southpaw (like me) shooting a full auto BAR!!!! Sweet Rifle!
FN made 40 round mags for their aircraft version. Clyde (of Bonnie and) Barrow had a homemade 30 round mag for his BAR.
The Army made 40-rnd AA mags as well. They were taken out of service in 1928. Should have thrown them in storage and brought them back for WW2. Since the BAR ended being used for its original purpose of "Walking Fire" about half the time anyway.
@@dphalanx7465in Highwaymen Kevin Costner said Clyde had a "welded up 40rd mag" as he was showing Woody his Colt Monitor.
@@hendo337 Yeah, they later determined that Clyde was doing the jungle-war trick of attaching the two magazines alongside each other (one pointed up/one pointed down), for fast reloading. (A lot easier than franken-engineering a single mag out of them.) Somebody later said that he actually combined *three* mags that way, but I could find no confirmation.
Saw a picture of a guy in VN that actually cut/welded two 20rnd M14 mags to make a 30rnd mag. Said there was a lot of trial & error fiddling and in the end he couldn't get full 40rnds capacity because he had to use 3x springs in the thing just to get it to work smoothly!
Last but not least, the FN-licensed BAR Model-D used *25-rnd. mags* that were slightly curved at the bottom. Why the Army didn't grab those is beyond me. More of that Pre-War "Not Invented Here" shite!
What a beautiful noise that thing makes.
There is something impressive about the BAR. Not the best solution, but a marvellous piece all the same. It looks as though it means business. Wow what a great sound...shame about the 20 round mag, its just not enough. Surely JMB could have designed a sort of double stacked single feed that would have worked. Great video Ian!
woah, a video where Ian actually shoots the weapon he's presenting
that's rare
perfect rate of fire, not too fast, not too slow, just right
Still in my opinion, one of the best looking guns out there.
Notice how the empty shell cases do a rather abrupt 180 flip.
I just watched another Forgotten Weapons BAR video, the one about the franken-BAR that shoots 7mm mauser. Very cool how this video shows why that BAR had that wear pattern right behind the ejection port. Every case does that quick flip and smacks right into that spot.
Last time I saw one of those was when I was visiting the Sierra Madre
You see a lot of unusual and unusually customized guns traveling in the Sierra Madre.
I left my heart there, but took all the gold so fair deal.
Wow ! That rifle sure is stable.. Like a rock !!!
A piece of history. If you ever get a chance I would love to see a piece on the Stoner LMG from the Vietnam era. Keep up the good work.
What an awesome bunch of improvements…That thing is bad ass
"Quick-change" barrel? You may as well re-attach it as soon as you remove it, because it'll be fully cooled off by the time you take it out
wont even be hot with all this reloading going
The 248 SAW and 240B of today isn't much better on barrel changing. It's a cumbersome act when under fire. Just requires lots of drills, then it becomes second nature and only takes a few seconds.
How to make a BAR look even more badass!
A Browning Automatic Rifle was built for a purpose. Lots of rifle rounds downtown. Heavy and Loud moving it around but my best call for suppression.
Literally any machine gun will outperform it in this role.
Thank you
Ian .
It may not be practical, but firing that beast from the shoulder looks badass.
Much Appreciation for this video
Colt purchased rights to the patent on the BAR owned by Browning Arms. The Browning Automatic Rifle was a favorite of Clyde (Bonnie and Clyde) and saw a lot of use in WWII. My Browning BAR hunting rifle in the early 2000s was still using some of the design, but was no longer capable of automatic fire and was on a much lighter frame.
Great video Ian
Love the look of the BAR. Built like a proper machine (gun).
It was never a true light machine gun like the bren or cz30 person and the chatellerau. It was intended for walk in fire. It was harder to reload than any of these guns. Even the gunny admitted wqthat.
What was interesting in the slowmo on this video was how much the gun didn't move, not in the bounce around sense but there was just nothing going on with gun whereas when you see other guns in full auto you can see a surprising amount of flex in the stock, barrel jacket, etc.
One of the most beautifull gun i have ever seen so far..
Do museums buy their guns from here? I binge watched a ton of these and ever since I started checking prices I’ve been pretty astounded usually. As a result I’ve also been wondering whether it’s just individuals with plenty of disposable income or museums more often than not or equally or what. Love the videos. Gun Jesus has a wonderful way with firearms, as one would expect.
The real F.M from Herstal, Belgium was surely the best .
best gun channel on youtube!!
Understanding the platforms shortcoming - this version of the BAR is the one I would want for my collection. Perhaps some day. That is very steady for 30-06 auto. And I really enjoy seeing a southpaw shoot firearms - nothing like powder burns up and down the right arm....
that pile of thompson in the background is really fascinating
With all the recent BAR videos I hope someone out there will lend you a HCAR, I think allot of us would love to see that.
God I'd love to own a bar. It sure has a nice sound to it dispensing those 30 06 freedom seeds.
Got to love the chug-chug-chug of the BAR!
Cool gun. Thanks for the video.
I'm so addicted to your videos. Have you ever got any hair stuck in any weapons? Love the Thompson series. TkEZ»UK
At 3:45 it looks like they filled in the hole for the detent pin between safe and auto on the selector switch.
In the sixties the Marines trained us in ITR using the old M-1 and BAR from Korea War. These were heavy weapons and almost worn out. Looking back I learned respect for previous Marines that fought with these weapons. Semper Fi Vietnam 3/9 1968-69.
Thank You for your service, and WELCOME HOME.
That would be good for deer hunting. Also it's interesting how far ahead it's predecessor the M240G is.
Keep rocking the Félin jackets, Ian. Suits you well ;)
"So unfortunately, you guys don't get to see me pull the barrel out" - I need to get my mind out of the gutter...
another great vid brother! thanks!
Impressive how little recoil there is. Next to no muzzle rise. Nice!
It would seem that there would be enough space for a 30 round magazine to be used when the BAR is used with the bi-pod and the shooter is in the prone position.
Thank god for The genius John M Browning. Just think of all the guns we wouldn’t have if he didn’t make all the superb weapons that he invented. Best weapons maker in the world hands down. Nobody comes close to him not Luger, Mauser, Thompson, Garand. They all had great one off weapons but Browning has multiple great weapons in every type of configuration. Nobody comes close.
I love BARs so gosh darn much.
FN is always confusing to me, as FN is the Scandinavian abbreviation for the United Nations, hehe.😅 So whenever you comment that FN was a major customer, I think the UN bought these guns, but they didn't exist until after WWII...😅
FN means FN Hurstel the Belgian firearms company.
@@JimmySilverFoot I stand corrected, I was unsure of the spelling.
I was giving a different M-16 which was made for a south paw. It worked well for and old lefty.
Yepper - I'd luv one! Thanks Ian :)
Seems like RKM wz.28 with that pistol grip.
RKM wz.28 was based on BAR so...
The BAR gunner was often paired with another soldier with a Thompson who provided cover fire while the BAR was reloaded
I wish companies would bring back some of their retro guns like the BAR and tommy gun and things, I know some manufacturers reproduce them but those are pretty expensive.
I never understood if the BAR is a LMG or an AssaultRifle, anyway, the 30.06 is _magic_
Yeah I'd call it an lmg or a squad support weapon before I'd call it an assault rifle since it is so heavy.
Wow, the weapon is so heavy that it just has a stiff vibration. No recoil!
Final rating of slick/slick. Approved
Hands down, one of the luckiest men alive.
Great video, a little precision
démontage=disassembly
détachable=detachable
Awesome gun. Hope you will be filming more three gun competition.
It shoots way faster than I imagined. When I play with the Vanguard BAR in Warzone or multiplayer, it seemed to shoot way slower in Game.
The WW2 version had a slower firerate irc
I know it is 2 years ago, but I just saw this. Just a thought: This would have been a perfect weapon to give a glimpse of the pattern you were shooting so we could see how the stability affected performance. Instead of tracking up and right with a "Grease Gun", for instance. I mean, you are at the range with a camera already . . .
Looks very controllable with the extra weight and a bipod