Polish wz.28 BAR: Shooting, History, Disassembly

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  • Опубликовано: 8 фев 2025
  • / forgottenweapons
    In the aftermath of WWI the newly-united Poland had a military equipped with a mishmash of leftover light machine guns, from Chauchats to MG 08/15s. They wanted to adopt a new standardized weapon, and trials in the 1920s found the FN BAR to be the best option. Unlike the American military BAR, the FN version adopted by the Poles used a light bipod and a pistol grip for better handling. It was chambered in 8mm Mauser, which was the standard Polish cartridge.
    The purchase agreement with FN was to buy 10,000 guns outright and also a license for domestic Polish production at F.B. Radom. However, the deal went quite sour when it urned out that FN actually didn't have the technical package to supply to the Poles, since they had not actually tooled up to make the guns, instead importing them from Colt in the US. The Polish military wound up reverse-engineering the Colt/FN guns to allow domestic production, and the incident put such a rift between FN and the Polish military that they would develop the Vis 35 "Radom" pistol in-house rather than license the FN High Power several years later.
    / forgottenweapons

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  • @EnhancedNightmare
    @EnhancedNightmare 9 лет назад +465

    Here is interesting trivia. BAR in polish is "Barium" and was the first weapon to start a fashion of naming Polish guns by names of the elements (Tantal - Tantalum, Beryl - Beryllium, Lantan - Lanthanum, Wanad pistol - vanadium, Pallad grenade launcher - Palladium, Bor rifle - Boron, Tor rifle - Thorium and a mineral Glauberyt smg -Glauberite) I love that as a chemist.
    Polish army had several debacles like this with US based firms. One of the big ones was with Christie and his tanks. Once Poles bought the rights for the tanks and paid part of the money, then soviets doubled the money and he didn't deliver them to Poles but to Russians. This was spy agencies prepping for WWII in my opinion. Poles sued Christie and won the suit but were left with no tanks. They reverse engineered the christie suspension but the tank wasn't ready before WWII. Instead they got Vickers tank and improved upon it resulting in 7-TP and 9-TP.

    • @jasondoe2596
      @jasondoe2596 9 лет назад +17

      Very interesting indeed! I love such naming conventions!

    • @StarskiPL
      @StarskiPL 9 лет назад +17

      +Jason „cyberspace entity” Doe Polish military main assault rifle is Beryl. Polish police (and military) use Glaberyt SMG. To bad that the chemist tradition is over. The newest Polish assault rifle is called ...MSBS :(

    • @EnhancedNightmare
      @EnhancedNightmare 9 лет назад +6

      StarskiPL Yes, it is super boring name. I guess it is connected with their desire to sell them in USA but at least a nickname would be nice.

    • @ChillDudelD
      @ChillDudelD 8 лет назад +9

      MSBS-5,56(-7,62) "Radon"?

    • @StarskiPL
      @StarskiPL 8 лет назад +7

      It's RADOM - and it's a Polish city south of Warsaw. Radom is the place where Fabryka Broni (producer of MSBS) is located.

  • @TXiCN
    @TXiCN 9 лет назад +325

    Ian, do know know how well-mannered, tame, respectful and polite your video comment sections are?
    It gives me warm feelings to see people discussing things civilly after watching your fantastic content.
    Your channel is a true 10/10!

    • @andrew-ripley1747
      @andrew-ripley1747 9 лет назад +1

      +Square Tins
      Well, that can't last. Bring in the music videos!

    • @TXiCN
      @TXiCN 8 лет назад +10

      Rad Chad
      Thank fucking shit.

    • @MrSmilingDeath
      @MrSmilingDeath 8 лет назад +1

      Square Tins Now we can all die unhappy...

    • @petesampson4273
      @petesampson4273 6 лет назад +6

      I realize this is a very late reply but that is exactly why I keep coming back to Forgotten Weapons and even read through comments from years ago. Both the content and the community are among the best on the entire web.
      Cheers!

  • @radosaworman7628
    @radosaworman7628 9 лет назад +466

    WOW! You are propaby first guy, not from Poland, I ever heard to say "wzór" Properly!

    • @Rafal_Wu
      @Rafal_Wu 6 лет назад +10

      Radosław Orman Nie jest kretynem jak widać

    • @KAESowicz
      @KAESowicz 6 лет назад +11

      Prawie poprawnie, z lekkim angielskim akcentem.
      Daję 99 na 100.

    • @piotrr5439
      @piotrr5439 6 лет назад +9

      tak se szczerze mówiąc. powiedział "WZOOR"

    • @marcamant7258
      @marcamant7258 6 лет назад +9

      He is a true polyglot.

    • @janwacawik7432
      @janwacawik7432 6 лет назад +14

      @@kwestionariusz1 Dokładnie, jego Ewangelia Świętego Browninga rozbrzmiewa we wszystkich językach.

  • @kschabowski
    @kschabowski 7 лет назад +54

    I'm Polish and I'm really interested in firearms etc. but I had no idea about most of the information that you provided in this video Ian. Thanks a lot!!! I love this channel and I watch it almost every day! I wish you'll be on RUclips forever. Thanks again!

  • @henrypoopenstein
    @henrypoopenstein 9 лет назад +20

    I had a boss who was a marine in Vietnam and Cambodia in the early sixties and he has told me while his standard issue rifle was the m14 (full auto) but he also carried for a short time a BAR and some of his peer were issued them as well, its crazy in the nearly 50 years the USA used it they never thought to put a pistol grip on it! good on the poles! loved the vid Ian!

  • @weeges23
    @weeges23 9 лет назад +178

    P- pojedynczy ( semi ) C- ciagly (full ) ; B- Bezpieczny ( safe)

  • @jacplac97
    @jacplac97 7 лет назад +933

    American LMG.
    On Belgian licence.
    Built by Poles.
    Using German ammo.

    • @gautierlejeune8156
      @gautierlejeune8156 6 лет назад +140

      Mr Worldwide !

    • @nataliakruschev5078
      @nataliakruschev5078 6 лет назад +43

      Truly the American dream at play.

    • @dominikwieczorek2442
      @dominikwieczorek2442 6 лет назад +73

      not German ammunition, only Mauser ammunition

    • @garethcanfield6509
      @garethcanfield6509 6 лет назад +21

      If u call the BAR a LMG your setting it up to fail, it was forced into that role

    • @mateuszg9866
      @mateuszg9866 6 лет назад +8

      Gareth Canfield all thise changes like barells with radiator, 'fish tail" stock etc. were made to convert american concept of automatic rifle to a european light machine gun concept.

  • @pawwrob4843
    @pawwrob4843 5 лет назад +49

    Jestem z Polski i często oglądam pańskie filmiki i muszę powiedzieć że jestem zdumiony pańską wiedzą i prawdą historyczną na temat historii Polski albowiem nie często się zdarza aby obcokrajowiec miał tak wnikliwą i szczegółową wiedzę na temat trudnej historii mojego kraju,Dziękuję

    • @mrthomasdudi
      @mrthomasdudi Год назад +1

      Może ten gość ma coś z polaka.

    • @wiziek
      @wiziek Год назад

      @@mrthomasdudiTypical polish attitude, not even using google translate on english video.

    • @averagestraightwhitemale6776
      @averagestraightwhitemale6776 Год назад +1

      cry about it @@wiziek

    • @michaelm6172
      @michaelm6172 Год назад

      @@wiziek i dont even speak polish and this comment is infuriating

    • @DobryZiomek27
      @DobryZiomek27 9 месяцев назад

      @@wiziek are you moron or idiot
      i think u are both

  • @kama112111212212
    @kama112111212212 9 лет назад +80

    In the magazine bag there is a stamp - Czesław Jastrzębski - it was a company name, that also made VIS holsters. The company was situated in Warsaw (hence stamped Warszawa) on 20 Żytnia Str.
    BTW - R.K.M could be translated as "handheld machine carbine" wich is basically interpreted as LMG.

    • @chucknormalaid
      @chucknormalaid 4 года назад +1

      What’s a holster

    • @thedarkfalafel9323
      @thedarkfalafel9323 3 года назад +3

      @@chucknormalaid kabura

    • @ewelinanajgebauer8862
      @ewelinanajgebauer8862 6 месяцев назад +3

      Handheld Machine Rifle, Karabin in Polish is Rifle, weird i know. Karabinek is Polish for Carbine, literally translated it means "Small Rifle".

    • @K_ars
      @K_ars 6 месяцев назад +1

      @@ewelinanajgebauer8862 you are actually right. 😅

  • @MVioorovsky
    @MVioorovsky 7 лет назад +6

    It's quite a rare gun in Poland too. Thanks for showing me one of them in close. Let me translate something for you about wz.28 markings: RKM-Ręczny Karabin Maszynowy(Hand Machine Gun) Selector B-Bezpieczny(Safe) P-Pojedyńczy(SingleFire) C-Ciągły(FullAutomatic).
    Keep up the good work,
    Best wishes from Poland :)

  • @plkRambo
    @plkRambo 8 лет назад +12

    Greetings from Poland. Actually, I`ve never heard about this dispute between the FN and Polish military, and few other facts were also unknown to me until I watched your video. Thanks for sharing your knowledge :)

  • @wielkamucha
    @wielkamucha 8 лет назад +3

    Few days ago I saw your movie about belgium machine guns, and today about ZK383, Marines Thompson's 'small brother' and rkm wz.28 ('rkm' can be translated literally as 'hand (in meaning of 'light') machine gun' - but I think it would be much more corresponding to SAW in modern terminology) . And I must admit, I'm quite impressed about your knowledge of history, not only a weaponry history, but a world history as well. You made your homework, and you done it well and it's really good to hear not only how it shoots, but also why it shoots like that and how it was made like that. Your movies are longer than typical YT clips, but it's good for them - at last I can learn something new. It's a good enough reason to subscribe. Than you for your hard work. Greetings from Poland. And last thing - your pronunciation in Polish is really good and clear. P.S. - Did you ever thought about changing name of your channel? Because of your work, these arms are truly NOT-Forgotten Weapons.

  • @Spasiboy
    @Spasiboy 9 лет назад +3

    Great job (as always). Forgotten weapons channel is the best way for me to learn about polish small arms of the past so far.

  • @mikeblair2594
    @mikeblair2594 9 лет назад +44

    dammit, I just love learning.not only learning about the rifle itself, the history is the cherry on my sundae.thanx

  • @StarskiPL
    @StarskiPL 9 лет назад +27

    Very very interesting story. I'm Polish and I had no idea that we produced BARs.

  • @Pprokop87
    @Pprokop87 9 лет назад +5

    Ian, I want to thank You for this one. as a militaristic fan from Poland, I am gratefull of how You talked about the gun, it's history. honestly i didn't know it had so many modifications. greatings from Poland with best wishes for You and your chanel ;)
    i hope that You'll get a chance to show us a VIS pistol and "PM Mors"
    the "wz" marking is from "wzór", wich translate as "model" or "version"
    that pistol was the "VIS wz.35" pistol
    that military warehouse was a "Depot of Military Tranzit" on Westerplatte peninsual in Gdańsk (ger. Danzig), the second polish "enclave" was a "Polish Post Office" deffendet by its workers, they used polish made Mauser riffles and BAR.
    the RKM is for "Ręczny Karabin Maszynowy" and its a polish term for light machinegun carried, operated and reloaded by a single soldier.
    the markings of the safety looks like (from the left) single-fullauto-safe, with polish letters.

  • @rabarba6
    @rabarba6 7 лет назад +528

    The first Germans to be killed in the war were killed with this gun at Westerplatte by Corporal Szamlewski

    • @vcpartisan12
      @vcpartisan12 6 лет назад +42

      ktoś tu oglądał Wołoszańskiego :P

    • @seansouth9488
      @seansouth9488 6 лет назад +14

      @@Avatrass Typical NPC response

    • @seansouth9488
      @seansouth9488 6 лет назад +11

      @@Avatrass You accuse me of being a "neonazi" for not accepting the official line ,typical NPC

    • @venturatheace1
      @venturatheace1 6 лет назад +24

      Then alt right-wingers wonder why they're so looked down upon

    • @mpingo91
      @mpingo91 5 лет назад +58

      @@seansouth9488 Poor Nazis. Almost the whole Europe was massacring nazi civilians. From France to Russia, from Norway to Greece. And Jews of course. They were killing innocent nazi civilians without mercy. Even saints in heaven couldn't stand it anymore.

  • @altair1983
    @altair1983 9 лет назад +1

    this is one of those episodes that remind me why is this one of the best chanels on youtube. and actually it has little to do with the gun itself (it's a bonus)! excellent!

  • @igorkniaz9070
    @igorkniaz9070 9 лет назад +2

    I am Pole, too and an advanced technical and other firearms stuff fan. Also Ian's fan of Forgotten Weapons Channel. He is always perfect researched. Also this movie is fully professional. Good job!

  • @DieFeuerfront
    @DieFeuerfront 9 лет назад +1

    This is by far my favorite channel on all of RUclips.

  • @burlatsdemontaigne6147
    @burlatsdemontaigne6147 9 лет назад +2

    As ever, Ian, your forensic and knowledgeable history of these weapons really makes your videos so fascinating to those of us who are not shooters or even collectors. Very cool. (have fired SMLE and Bren at school)

  • @donbass1979
    @donbass1979 6 лет назад

    16:22 One little thing about fire selector. Reading the letters from left to right we have P (pojedynczy) - semi automatic, C (ciągły) - full auto, B (bezpieczny) - safe. Great review, as usual!!!

  • @jasondeleon4475
    @jasondeleon4475 8 лет назад +10

    Now this is the best "BAR" that I ever seen

  • @Tirielphoto
    @Tirielphoto 5 лет назад +28

    This polish edition of gun was in movie "Kelly's heroes". 😁

  • @nbenicewicz
    @nbenicewicz 9 лет назад +3

    Damn. If I won the lottery this week I would have bought that thing. I hope that one day I'll have the opportunity to at least shoot one of these rare BAR variants. I'm of Polish decent so I have a lot admiration for Polish designed and manufactured weapons as well as military history of Poland.

  • @edku8565
    @edku8565 5 лет назад +1

    You are one of the most knowledgeable gun reviewers. Interesting history behind this gun. Congratulations.

  • @Farmaceuta93
    @Farmaceuta93 3 года назад +5

    My Grandpa was using the same gun in September Campaign. He was reserve corporal and leader of RKM (LMG) section in artillery unit of 16 Pomorska Dywizja Piechoty (16th Pommeranian Infantry Division)

  • @ericswain70
    @ericswain70 8 лет назад +128

    Much respect for the Polish

  • @KnifeChatswithTobias
    @KnifeChatswithTobias 8 лет назад +6

    Totally fantastic. Great review of a fantastic version of the BAR

  • @JohnLeePedimore
    @JohnLeePedimore 9 лет назад +4

    Great video Ian.I especially like your custom "shed sled" shooting rest made from warped 1x6s.For any of the safety conscious out there,that cartridge he's using for disassembly is inert.You can see the dented primer at 15:52.

    • @jasondoe2596
      @jasondoe2596 9 лет назад +1

      Good catch! I was sure he'd use an unloaded one, but didn't notice it.

  • @bretthompson3865
    @bretthompson3865 9 лет назад

    Really liked the slow motion view from the right. You can see the locking block moving up and down in the bolt.

  • @johnaranjo6354
    @johnaranjo6354 9 лет назад +325

    4:45 meoww

    • @johnaranjo6354
      @johnaranjo6354 9 лет назад +22

      Lol am I the only one that caught him meowing

    • @Alcatraz252
      @Alcatraz252 7 лет назад +6

      Aaaaaargh, now I can't watch this moment normally, I'll hear that goddamn MEOW for the rest of my life. Thanks man, thanks...

    • @outerspace9392
      @outerspace9392 7 лет назад +10

      Omg my cat meowed back when i played this xD

    • @macissacsovereign7726
      @macissacsovereign7726 5 лет назад +2

      😂😂😂😂😭

    • @MrThirstysuperior
      @MrThirstysuperior 4 года назад +1

      LOL!!

  • @mossbergmaniac1947
    @mossbergmaniac1947 8 лет назад +1

    I always loved the fact that the FN engineers used the magazine slot on the operating rod of the BAR as the spent case ejection port on the MAG58/M240.

  • @Mrgunsngear
    @Mrgunsngear 9 лет назад +35

    Excellent video and overview as always.

  • @dasboot5903
    @dasboot5903 7 лет назад +3

    Such a VERY NICE video presentation. I am nicely surprised !!!! Fantastic historical background explained with so many details. Wonderful overview, and dissembling of that American-polish made light machine gun !!!! I am giving a highest rate for that particular VIDEO !!!! Congratulation )))) Sincerely yours.

  • @maciejpociecha6357
    @maciejpociecha6357 9 лет назад +55

    Ian, did you ever get a chance to have a look at the wz.35 anti-tank rifle? Do you think its spall inducing, non penetrating ammo had a chance of working as intended?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  9 лет назад +36

      +Maciej Pociecha I've never handled one, but I would like to.

    • @maciejpociecha6357
      @maciejpociecha6357 9 лет назад +31

      Fingers crossed... it'll be an awesome video one day. I can't think of any other rifle that tried to use small calibre squash head ammo in that era. Thanks for all your work, btw; it's criminal one of the documentary channels hasn't thrown money at you to make a series on small arms.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  9 лет назад +27

      +Maciej Pociecha I know, right? :)

    • @KAESowicz
      @KAESowicz 6 лет назад +2

      Maciej Pociecha I think that then this channel would probably loose all its charm.
      Thanks god there is patreon.

    • @jannegrey
      @jannegrey 6 лет назад +6

      ​@@ForgottenWeapons It did work. Although obviously only on Panzer I and II (from less than hundred meters). And on APV's from up to 400 m. The difficulty being that as OP stated it was non penetrating ammo. It just transferred the energy into armor so much that it causes the inside of an armor to "explode" in a shrapnel like manner. Other problem was that it was so secret, that almost no-one was trained to use them - some sources say that training of gunners started on 23rd of August. Germans of course adopted it, but they didn't replicate the most important bit - the ammo. Polish was very complicated and costly to produce - mostly copper though. I don't know if any of original ammo survived to this day, and it's composition and shape would be absolutely important, since it was basically very small KINETIC shape charge - designed specifically to make the dent on the other side fragment - imagine being killed by a paint shrapnel.
      As for BAR wz. 28 (pronounced like you did "wzór", so vz) - Polish Wikipedia (with many flaws like Wikipedia) is one of the best versions of the page. It says that 10.000 were delivered by FN, 11.000 produced in Poland for Polish Army, and 1880 for export - mainly to Spain. Also about 140 to Palestine and single numbers to China and Greece.

  • @witkocaster
    @witkocaster 9 лет назад +27

    This polish soldier who shoot first during WWII (shooting rkm wz. 28) was corporal Edmund Szamlewski. pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Szamlewski

    • @harisadrian1964
      @harisadrian1964 7 лет назад

      As I know Soviet Russian was invaded Poland preceded the German, was it not considered WWII?
      Maybe he shot it at Russian first?

    • @janwacawik7432
      @janwacawik7432 4 года назад +10

      @@harisadrian1964 The other way around, the Soviets invaded on 17th September 1939, the Germans struck first on 1st September.

  • @alexdemoya2119
    @alexdemoya2119 9 лет назад +30

    "international kerfuffle" is a great way to describe the world between 1900-1945. Great video, your best yet in fact. Do you think the FN BAR could have been a good basis for an assault rifle type weapon?

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  9 лет назад +13

      +Alex de Moya No, it's too heavy.

    • @Pprokop87
      @Pprokop87 9 лет назад +1

      +Forgotten Weapons well, the Soviet army tend to use their Degtyaryov machine gun in the assult riffle style and the gun was over 9kg

    • @kalliste23
      @kalliste23 9 лет назад

      +Alex de Moya It proved to be a good basis for Belgian FN MAG general purpose machine gun.

  • @zbigniewm8434
    @zbigniewm8434 4 года назад +1

    Im from Poland and i must Say that you got every thing Wright.

  • @LAFAYET47_SVQ
    @LAFAYET47_SVQ 9 лет назад +1

    great video Ian, I was looking forward to watch a review of this weapon. Greetings from Poland

  • @scghillie
    @scghillie 9 лет назад +1

    @Forgotten Weapons
    Floating bipod was not problem in using wz.28.
    First of all polish wz.28 was team weapon in Poland.
    Crew of gun were:
    -karabinowy - operated the rifle
    -celowniczy - giving coordinates to shoot
    -amunicyjny - transporting supply of ammunition
    When attack were moving forward, "karabinowy" have to fold down bipod and take new position ahead of all team. Again open the bipod, shoot, fold down, move and until the win or death :)
    Wz.28 wasn't individual and mobile weapon like BAR in US army.

    • @Zadlo14
      @Zadlo14 8 лет назад

      +Sprinter Custom Ghillie This was caused by size of Polish infantry squad.

  • @fhsreelfilms
    @fhsreelfilms 9 лет назад +1

    Thanks for another great video, Ian. It's cool to see a more practical route the US could have taken in updating and improving the BAR in the interwar era.

  • @bartekt6690
    @bartekt6690 9 лет назад +8

    Great movie. Greeting from Poland.

  • @baarni
    @baarni 9 лет назад

    Forgotten Weapons is by far the best firearms review channel on the internet. By far....

  • @ewelinanajgebauer8862
    @ewelinanajgebauer8862 6 месяцев назад

    Before this, we fielded the RKM Wz.23, a Polish LMG version of the Lewis "Assault Phase Rifle" with a low-to-the-ground tripod, longer barrel, and in 7.92 Mauser, the Lewis you mention is most likely the RKM Wz.23

  • @mephisto2468
    @mephisto2468 9 лет назад +3

    Hey Ian, great video as usual.
    I was wondering where you get most of the information on the guns that you have on the show, especially the cool history bits.

  • @johnnschroeder7424
    @johnnschroeder7424 9 лет назад +1

    Wonderful mechanical overview and history plus range time, whats not to like!

  • @animedude667
    @animedude667 9 лет назад +88

    you should take a picture of this and submit it to the wikipedia page for it :P because the current picture is a very busted looking one

    • @rob119490
      @rob119490 9 лет назад +21

      +AngryOcelotGaming he should make books about all these weapons so the knowledge lasts

  • @Mjdeben
    @Mjdeben 5 лет назад +1

    Ian's hat collection is probably more diverse, obscure and impressive than his gun collection

  • @drekor72
    @drekor72 9 лет назад +3

    What an incredibly convoluted, fascinating story, brilliantly told. Thank you.

  • @charleselliott8539
    @charleselliott8539 Год назад

    Fascinating to see a totally American design, chambered in the enemy's cartridge (8mm Mauser) but used by our allies (Poles). Awesome video as always, Ian. Hope all is well.

  • @troy9477
    @troy9477 7 лет назад +1

    Love the BAR videos. They have the most unusual bolt i've ever seen. I think i understand the locking system based off of your explanation in the Ohio Ordnance video. Basically a type of tilting bolt- wonder if it influenced Saive on the FAL at all. Love how the Poles basically gave FN the finger. Sounds like FN was being pretty shady, if not downright dishonest. Serves them right. The Poles darn near went them one better than the Hi-Power with the VIS (Radom) a few yrs later. Bullt for them. A proud, brave people who really got the sewage end of the stick in WW2. Great video as always. Thank you

  • @maciek1482
    @maciek1482 7 лет назад +1

    The wz 28 wasn't meant to be shot from the hip thats why the changes to the butt and the addition of pistol grip. Also the the barrel is thicker it weighs over 2 kg. The cooling fins on the barrel are also of polish design.

  • @clothar23
    @clothar23 9 лет назад +15

    Does anyone find it utterly hilarious the same country that produced the great M1 Garand also produced the joke that was the BAR gun. And it took a foreign manufacturer to fix it's major issues.

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 9 лет назад

      Aidan Templeton Fair enough but I 'd still rather take almost anything into war but a BAR gun. And I suppose the Polish and the Belgian still didn't fix that crap bipod.

    • @clothar23
      @clothar23 9 лет назад +2

      Aidan Templeton Meh if we are comparing like to like I'd take a Bren gun into combat over a BAR gun. It was actually a far better infantry support weapon,

    • @d.mangham5204
      @d.mangham5204 4 года назад +3

      Old thread, but maybe s.o. will see this or care, lol. The BAR was ahead of the times in 1918, behind the times by WW2. (Ditto for the 1919 Browning LMG.) With US foreign policy of interwar period, plus the Depression, emphasis was on updating good equipment rather than on new designs. Some BAR updates were good, such as the heat shield in the handguard. The bipod was execrable. With all that said, the GIs who fought with it in WW2 and Korea absolutely swore by it. Granted, they didn't have the Bren or MG-42 to choose from, but esp. the -42 would've required a complete re-work of how US infantry functioned. Our squads, platoons, and companies were based on semi-auto rifles and a squad auto rifle, not on equipping rifle units with light machine guns. Too bad they didn't get a quick-change barrel and an efficient bipod, at least, because those two improvements would've made a huge, positive difference in sustaining a high volume of fire, keeping the weapon functioning in combat, and in delivering more effective fire at longer ranges. Dust covers certainly would've been nice, too. Our BAR was a completely different animal than the German GPMGs, inferior to Bren and its Czech forebears--but lighter, equivalent to FR Chatellerault, ~same as BE. PO, SW, slightly better than Finnish, Soviet, and Swiss auto rifles, markedly better than IT or early JP competitors (not the later mag-fed Nambu) and Danish-Norwegian Madsens. Had we not faced the Wehrmacht, nobody would've noticed the BAR as particularly problematic. Nobody's infantry had the auto firepower to match the Wehrmacht, although our rifleman had superior weapons and our arty was far superior in numbers, volume of fire, ammo supply, and fire direction. The Luftwaffe couldn't give our Air Corps much competition. US small units had their hands full facing GE infantry firepower, but at battalion and higher levels our supporting arms gave us a big edge.

    • @piotrd.4850
      @piotrd.4850 3 года назад

      @@clothar23 Improved but....

  • @Bill22252
    @Bill22252 9 лет назад +7

    I think this was the BAR that they had in the excellent film Kelly's Heroes.

    • @Regolith86
      @Regolith86 9 лет назад

      +Bill22252 It was: www.imfdb.org/wiki/Kelly's_Heroes#Polish_wz.28_BAR

    • @pamietamy-gu1ki
      @pamietamy-gu1ki 9 лет назад

      +Bill22252 :No it wasn't Polish one. It was probably Belgian BAR Mle 1930 ( Base Series Designation, not D-model!) or any remodelled version of the rifle ( American?) Maybe also Belgian D - model without wooden handle for carrying. Certainly it was not Polish wz 28

    • @conradsz
      @conradsz 4 месяца назад

      Im Polish and I’ve never seen that type of hat

  • @TerrellThomas1971
    @TerrellThomas1971 9 лет назад +6

    Great History lesson on this weapon!

  • @pawekowalik9805
    @pawekowalik9805 9 лет назад +72

    piękna broń...

    • @akacz13
      @akacz13 9 лет назад +3

      +Paweł Kowalik You're right. Beautiful weapon.

    • @Solaxe
      @Solaxe 8 лет назад +3

      +Paweł Kowalik learn english, pleb

    • @KristoffDoe
      @KristoffDoe 8 лет назад +25

      +Solaxe S Since we're at it, it's "English", not "english", pleb... :)

    • @pike815
      @pike815 8 лет назад +17

      +Solaxe S Polacy nie gęsi, jak Ci się nie podoba nasz język to wypierdalaj

    • @matearosie
      @matearosie 8 лет назад +18

      Nie przynoś wstydu temu językowi zrazu rzucając inwektywami. Typowa cebula. Jesteście siebie warci, on ze swoim "plebsem" i Ty ze swoim "wypierdalaj". Pozdrawiam.

  • @63games39
    @63games39 9 лет назад

    i like videos like this where you spend a lot of time on the history of the gun, keep it up :)

  • @MrReded69
    @MrReded69 8 лет назад +1

    Hey Ian! I've recently read an article that said that the French actually purchased 10,000 BARs from the AEF before they left France. I wondered if this was true and what might have happened to them?
    Interesting thought about the French's determination to sell its original FM 24s to Poland. The FM's original caliber was the new 7.5x58mm M1924, the cartridge that resembled the 8x57mm Mauser so much that the two got mixed up in the French supply system with infamous results. The most famous being the demonstration to a Romanian military purchasing party where a Mauser round got loaded into the FM 24 and caused a chamber/barrel explosion that wounded the gunner severely(and killed the sales deal).
    Makes me think, maybe the French would have had more luck with the Polish if they had offered the FM 24 in 8(7.92)mm Mauser to begin with? Knowing the French they probably tried to convince the Polish to adopt their Fabulous new 7.5x58mm MAS cartridge as standard.

  • @TheSiedzacyByk
    @TheSiedzacyByk 7 лет назад +8

    RKM = Ręczny karabin maszynowy
    which literally translates as "hand(held) machine rifle" and "machine rifle" is basically machinegun in polish (germans also called their mgs mahchine rifles)

  • @chadbarrett3545
    @chadbarrett3545 9 лет назад +26

    the BAR needs a pistol grip. it is a must.

    • @perfectlynormalhuman5473
      @perfectlynormalhuman5473 4 года назад

      Yeah if browning/fn start producing it again for commercial reasons evem though they have no reason to

  • @sikalafazelipapa3368
    @sikalafazelipapa3368 26 дней назад

    A little fun fact - RKM wz. 28 was used in the movie "Kelly's heroes" ("Złoto dla zuchwałych" for fellow polish viewers)

  • @jerzyswiecicki8134
    @jerzyswiecicki8134 5 лет назад +1

    You right about Westerplatte battle in 1939 ,you can see polish solders using BAR in the movie "Westerplatte"

  • @brianmiller9365
    @brianmiller9365 8 лет назад

    I consider this your best BAR video, technically speaking. *BGM.41

  • @outerspace9392
    @outerspace9392 7 лет назад

    Wow BAR is a pain in the ass to take apart , i never noticed how complex it is

  • @charlesinglin
    @charlesinglin 8 лет назад +5

    Colt was making these in the US. That makes it even more unfathomable that US ordnance wouldn't adopt these, or at least the improved features, instead of the 1918A2.

  • @Jarowit84
    @Jarowit84 5 лет назад +1

    My bit of nitpicking: It was kpr. (corporal) Edmund Szamlewski (Shamlevsky) that fired the first shots in anger on Westerplatte using this gun:
    pl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edmund_Szamlewski
    (sorry, no version in English)
    Great video all around. Learned a great deal.

  • @manictiger
    @manictiger 9 лет назад +17

    That hat just makes you look so much more bad ass.
    A modern musketeer! :D

  • @filipeamaral216
    @filipeamaral216 8 лет назад +1

    Wonderful weapon, very well crafted and beautiful. Great video.

  • @admiralmw
    @admiralmw 9 лет назад

    Thank you for the video and for the background history! Really interesting! I really wish I could get my hands on one of those.

  • @zdzichuzdzichowski2215
    @zdzichuzdzichowski2215 7 лет назад

    Im impresed with your knowledge about not just firearms but about the history at all .

  • @mayomancer527
    @mayomancer527 4 года назад

    best looking and sounding BAR in my opinion

  • @i.lynott9919
    @i.lynott9919 4 года назад +1

    If one is interested, watch "Westerplatte Resists" you see a good number of these weapons. A slick movie for its day.

  • @snucc6953
    @snucc6953 5 лет назад

    i think this only guy knows history the best out of US youtube

  • @nbenicewicz
    @nbenicewicz 9 лет назад +1

    Damn. I was surprised to see this video on this channel, because I didn't think there were any of these in the US. In the ten years that I've been checking out the guns that were available on subguns.com I've only seen 1 maybe 2 Colt Monitor R75s. Now I see that there is at least one RKM wz. 1928 in the US.
    Man I wish I made enough money to afford these kind of guns.

  • @lafeelabriel
    @lafeelabriel 9 лет назад

    Must be said it is a bloody good idea for your major disassembly tool being the tip of a cartridge..
    Was a part of the BAR's design right from Browning himself I do belive.

  • @UndergradPigeon
    @UndergradPigeon 9 лет назад

    8 Mauser BAR? I've seen it all now how fascinating

  • @piotrd.4850
    @piotrd.4850 4 года назад

    For you guys out there - remember "Kelly's Heroes" and minefield shooting? American in there is using wz.28.

  • @samrussell4065
    @samrussell4065 9 лет назад

    I've examined an FN BAR (Brazilian) and the mechanism is very different to this. The butt pivots on the frame and the mainspring, frame and bolt are exracted rearwards as a complete unit. The trigger unit also looks different. It is also a bit easier to field-strip, as it does not have the awkward lugh through the cocking handle.

  • @newdefsys
    @newdefsys 9 лет назад +2

    Outstanding review ! Thank you for sharing.

  • @itsconnorstime
    @itsconnorstime 8 лет назад +1

    Id love to know more about the Italian submission and the 1923 Lewis. There's a lot of references to a French Lewis gun used between the wars but I can't find any pictures.

  • @fuzzydunlop7928
    @fuzzydunlop7928 8 лет назад

    That sliding dust cover for the ejection port bears resemblance to the iconic safety on an AK pattern rifle.

  • @douglasfulmer5483
    @douglasfulmer5483 9 лет назад

    I like how it is a basically no tools disassembly, since if you are gonna have the gun you are gonna have some loose rounds somewhere.

  • @inleguewithsatan
    @inleguewithsatan 9 лет назад +35

    You pronounced quite good "wzór 28". RKM means literaly "hand machine gun".

    • @franek.97
      @franek.97 5 лет назад +1

      Actually in Polish we use U and Ó as same letter, it's only orthography issue...

    • @ewelinanajgebauer8862
      @ewelinanajgebauer8862 6 месяцев назад

      ​@@franek.97I think comment's topic is, most people who don't speak Polish can't really say 'Wzór' the same way as we Poles do.

  • @alexfogg236
    @alexfogg236 7 лет назад +1

    cool piece I remember one was used in the 1970 movie kelly's heroes, with Clint Eastwood.

  • @likeasumbody403
    @likeasumbody403 9 лет назад +1

    Sweet hat Ian, you dapper fella you.

  • @oasisveritatis9463
    @oasisveritatis9463 7 лет назад +3

    regard from Poland

  • @Stargazer88
    @Stargazer88 9 лет назад

    videos like this is why I subscribe to this channel. Great job and thank you.

  • @GlowRiderzEntertainment
    @GlowRiderzEntertainment 9 лет назад +3

    I really really love this style firearm

  • @toddhoward5964
    @toddhoward5964 9 лет назад +1

    Nice video here Ian, hope to see other weird old Polish guns, mostly just the giant Wz. 35.
    I do have a question, did you make an account on IMFDB? I ask because I do editing on the site and noticed someone under the ForgottenWeapons name and want to know if it is you.

    • @ForgottenWeapons
      @ForgottenWeapons  9 лет назад

      +PaperCake Yeah, I just did to fix the BAR entry for Kelly's Heroes. :)

    • @toddhoward5964
      @toddhoward5964 9 лет назад

      Forgotten Weapons I saw. It's good to have someone like you on the site, given the large amount of Eastern-European movies that were added. You can be surprised what can show up in ComBloc movie arsenals.

  • @Dranain
    @Dranain 8 лет назад +9

    Beautiful gun :)

  • @Desmaad
    @Desmaad 9 лет назад +2

    I just remembered there's a famous photo of Bonnie and Clyde where Bonnie is seen holding a BAR (and she was not a tall woman by any measure).

  • @TrainmakerPL
    @TrainmakerPL 4 года назад

    RKM means Hand machine gun literally :)
    Also love Your preparation and knowledge keep up the magnificent work !

  • @pr4runner
    @pr4runner 9 лет назад +1

    Holy crap, terrible field strip. Shot one 2 years ago that was bought new from the factory. Had to hold, about 14" above the center, Groups stringed vertically because of my hold. Awesome heavy gun. Great addition to our ranges deer sight in. Recoil is a joy at what 32 lbs w/o the bipod. Want one just for fun. Thanks to my friend for letting me take the first rounds out of it from the factory.

    • @pr4runner
      @pr4runner 9 лет назад

      +pr4runner When I had the chance to shoot a new production OO rifle..;. We had so many laughs about reloading it under the stress of battle, it's length, and its wight. Still laughing & Good times.

  • @mariow7818
    @mariow7818 4 года назад +1

    We Poles had so much potential in our blood before world war 2.. so many great ideas in the works. If we had a few years more to prepare. Then history might have looked muche better for Us and worse for Germans and Soviets.

    • @TheAngrySaxon1
      @TheAngrySaxon1 3 года назад

      Unfortunately, the opportunity to save Poland was missed years before the invasion actually occurred, when Hitler first started remilitarising. If Britain and France had attacked then, the Germans would not have been prepared for it, and would have had to have yielded. Too many cowardly politicians on our side, and a lesson in why appeasement is suicidal.

  • @cariboupetepeterson3711
    @cariboupetepeterson3711 9 лет назад +4

    Excellent history!

  • @bitfreakazoid
    @bitfreakazoid 9 лет назад +1

    Does James D. Julia have a shooting range to test all these out at?
    Should of stuck the bipods in the snow, not on the wood planks. Might of got a little more stable shooting.

  • @johnmc8785
    @johnmc8785 9 лет назад

    It's interesting to see features (spring in butt-stock, style of charging handle) that areclater wchoed on the FN-FAL.

  • @lucianene7741
    @lucianene7741 5 лет назад +1

    Has about the same rate of fire as a Chauchat. That variable rate of fire feature that they refused was in fact an extra spring that coul be engaged to make it fire faster.

  • @konradhenrykowicz1859
    @konradhenrykowicz1859 8 лет назад +4

    It's wzór 28. Word "wzór" we read as vzoor. The letter "ó" is to read as "u" like in word "good"

    • @adamix1010
      @adamix1010 8 лет назад +2

      Konrad Henrykowicz "ó" is to read as "u". Little mistake

    • @konradhenrykowicz1859
      @konradhenrykowicz1859 8 лет назад +2

      adamix1010 corrected :)

    • @marcamant7258
      @marcamant7258 6 лет назад

      Depend if you are in Stettin or Bialistok