Very interesting. I am from Bozeman MT and someone on a Facebook forum asked what ever happened to the church with all of the bunkers over in Paradise Valley. I had heard about it but didn't know much about it. This led me to a few hours of research, which has been fascinating. I want to order your book from Amazon. It would be great to know more about the history from a first hand account. So sorry to hear of your mother's struggle with Alzheimer's. I lost my own mother to brain cancer and remember the pain of watching a brilliant, accomplished woman, deteriorate and change. Since then, I have done intensive self study on natural treatments to ward off diseases of the body and mind. My best to you and your family and thanks for sharing your valuable experiences with us.
+Erin Prophet Hi Ms. Prophet, I know very little about CUT, except what I've seen on other videos. I enjoyed this address, and i just wanted to mention how impressed I am with your frankness and humility in discussing such personal subjects. You obviously loved your mother very much, and she seems to have been a remarkable woman in many ways. I found your addressing both her positive qualities and her blind spots in such a balanced and informative way to be most admirable. Nuance and subtlety are rare at any time, but particularly during an election year!
Erin, my youngest daughter's name too, cool. I was watching a program on Doomsday religious beliefs which took me to the Montana compound , which took me to your Bozeman talk then to your Houston remarks. You are an incredibly intelligent and interesting person, I'm going to get a copy of your book. Most noticeable was seeing how you changed from 2008 to 2014, becoming more comfortable and at ease as well as looking back at your CUT years in a slightly more detached and deeper way. Naturally you had drifted away from those memories to become more of an observer, (fly on the wall) than a participant. Thanks for uploading your videos, best of luck to you and your very bright future.
Erin, Thank you very much for sharing something so deeply personal and spiritual. I have always been interested in religious studies and have read for years about Church Universal and Triumphant and your mother's life. I found this talk fascinating and very educational. I sincerely thank you for sharing your personal thoughts and experiences about CUT. I feel that people will be able to understand and learn more about your mother and the history of the CUT. Thank you again, and many blessings to you.
It's really interesting how I happened to have stumbled upon a chapter of CUT in a Chicago suburb, and I did start attending a few classes out of curiosity and a frank desire to learn about spirituality (and in case anyone's wondering, I consider myself an agnostic who is spiritually optimistic). What you said pretty much reinforced what kind of bothered me about the church after seeing the tip of the iceberg. As someone who loves to debate philosophies while being open to new ideas, it first bothered me how people continue tended to say things simply as fact rather than starting off the sentence with "I/we believe that..." Also, you nailed the other lingering issue I had, which alluded to my own studies of Jung back in the day. Just as Jung saw flaws in Christianity as demonizing particular character traits, I found that CUT's doctrine and principles felt way too immaculate and also poo-pooed anything that "darkness" would represent. This did not only conflict with what I've learned about psychology, but from what I've learned from eastern Dharmic religions that CUT supposedly heavily borrows from. Anyway, thanks for this speech (and the '08 one), and I'll definitely be looking into your book
I just finished Erin's book. If anybody it was Erin the best person to write the book. It was truthful but without malice., There was one thing I thought was missing, the fact that "Mother"s dictations were coming from a or her Higher consciousness with soul reaching and stirring effect. Not about the shelters and not the Judgment calls I always were unconfortable about, but spiritual teachings.
Hi Erin. I was wondering if you could recommend any videos here on youtube that in your opinion would represent the best way of understanding the new age movement. Also if you have any videos on how the new age movement perceives the catholic church. Or how you yourself perceives it. Thank you.
Thanks Erin for the good talk. I'm very interested in the question of how the shadow comes out when we try to suppress parts of ourselves, and the contradiction that suppressed negative emotions leads to just projecting the source on others. I found this video because my dad was a member of Church Universalist Triumphant in the 70s tried to get our family to move from Minnesota to California in 1979 to the Camelot campus, and lead to my parents divorce. I remember the Saint Germaine poster my brother kept on our bedroom wall and the chants he learned. I'm not sure if this all make me a skeptic. It didn't make much sense to me, while I think my brother liked it because he was an extrovert and needed attention from adults more than me. I remember my dad shutting down conversations with my mom because of her "negative energy" so she had to try to phrase everything in a way that denied any sense of duty or obligation or things that needed attention he didn't want to think about. I think it is correct to say the Jungian shadow goes deep when people can't allow any negative feelings, and it makes sense that it is easier to blame others for "causing" our negative feelings. My parents were opposites with my mom one of 7 siblings, and my dad a single child, so he never seemed to get a sense of his own darker nature (while having siblings you learn easily that you can be cruel and devious.) My dad's adult decisions seemed to be idealistic, and seeing "spiritual" as real, and ordinary morality as something you sidestep to the higher one. That is, if you have a real emotion of fear, you replace it with a "spiritual" narrative that avoids the fear, while just pushing you into denial of otherwise obvious facts, and "spiritual" rationalizations have no bounds since your mind can make up anything that fits what you want to be true. So such a "spiritual" person can't be dependable to anyone else because ultimately feelings tell you everything important, and everything must conform to what feelings need to be true. If he had an undiagnosed mental illness I can't say, but it probably scares me into trying to find more grounded beliefs if any are needed, or keeping them at speculation like Jung's depth psychology tries. My dad died in 2010 from a second heart attack which he refused treatment, and was losing his eye sight for a number of years, and didn't want doctors to tell him what was wrong, and instead believed in self-healing from a prayer circle. Probably I can see a similar perfectionism in me, not wanting to look at things I don't like, and I see where that can lead, including a life of fear disguised as feelings of enlightenment.
Well, all church have their shadow, they don't see it.. What we have to understand is that we are made of both light/shadow, but our shadow is contaminated with fear, so we try to go to light to avoid fear, but the fall is certain, cause we didn't take the another part with us. It attached to us, no wonder that all church have same kind aberration. We see people want be like Jesus, that a high standard, no wonder they all are screwed. Jesus is God son, humanity is human sons. If shadow was not contaminated we all would live a wonderful life no sin, no fall, that what God want, not wanting us flying without wings. Acept that we live in shadow and live it, no fear what we are, in the end all is love, God acceptance of who we are, we don't need to show God that we are good, in his eyes we are. I like family Adam, that what living in true, dancing with the shadow, it are not our enemy. The fear we accumulated in eons is what became demons in the world.
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Very interesting. I am from Bozeman MT and someone on a Facebook forum asked what ever happened to the church with all of the bunkers over in Paradise Valley. I had heard about it but didn't know much about it. This led me to a few hours of research, which has been fascinating. I want to order your book from Amazon. It would be great to know more about the history from a first hand account. So sorry to hear of your mother's struggle with Alzheimer's. I lost my own mother to brain cancer and remember the pain of watching a brilliant, accomplished woman, deteriorate and change. Since then, I have done intensive self study on natural treatments to ward off diseases of the body and mind. My best to you and your family and thanks for sharing your valuable experiences with us.
My talk at the Houston Jung Center about Light and Shadow in Cults and the New Age Movement is available now on RUclips!
+Erin Prophet Hi Ms. Prophet, I know very little about CUT, except what I've seen on other videos. I enjoyed this address, and i just wanted to mention how impressed I am with your frankness and humility in discussing such personal subjects. You obviously loved your mother very much, and she seems to have been a remarkable woman in many ways. I found your addressing both her positive qualities and her blind spots in such a balanced and informative way to be most admirable. Nuance and subtlety are rare at any time, but particularly during an election year!
Thanks, Tom!
Erin, my youngest daughter's name too, cool. I was watching a program on Doomsday religious beliefs which took me to the Montana compound , which took me to your Bozeman talk then to your Houston remarks. You are an incredibly intelligent and interesting person, I'm going to get a copy of your book. Most noticeable was seeing how you changed from 2008 to 2014, becoming more comfortable and at ease as well as looking back at your CUT years in a slightly more detached and deeper way. Naturally you had drifted away from those memories to become more of an observer, (fly on the wall) than a participant. Thanks for uploading your videos, best of luck to you and your very bright future.
Erin, Thank you very much for sharing something so deeply personal and spiritual.
I have always been interested in religious studies and have read for years about Church Universal and Triumphant and your mother's life. I found this talk fascinating and very educational. I sincerely thank you for sharing your personal thoughts and experiences about CUT. I feel that people will be able to understand and learn more about your mother and the history of the CUT. Thank you again, and many blessings to you.
It's really interesting how I happened to have stumbled upon a chapter of CUT in a Chicago suburb, and I did start attending a few classes out of curiosity and a frank desire to learn about spirituality (and in case anyone's wondering, I consider myself an agnostic who is spiritually optimistic). What you said pretty much reinforced what kind of bothered me about the church after seeing the tip of the iceberg. As someone who loves to debate philosophies while being open to new ideas, it first bothered me how people continue tended to say things simply as fact rather than starting off the sentence with "I/we believe that..." Also, you nailed the other lingering issue I had, which alluded to my own studies of Jung back in the day. Just as Jung saw flaws in Christianity as demonizing particular character traits, I found that CUT's doctrine and principles felt way too immaculate and also poo-pooed anything that "darkness" would represent. This did not only conflict with what I've learned about psychology, but from what I've learned from eastern Dharmic religions that CUT supposedly heavily borrows from. Anyway, thanks for this speech (and the '08 one), and I'll definitely be looking into your book
I just finished Erin's book. If anybody it was Erin the best person to write the book. It was truthful but without malice., There was one thing I thought was missing, the fact that "Mother"s dictations were coming from a or her Higher consciousness with soul reaching and stirring effect. Not about the shelters and not the Judgment calls I always were unconfortable about, but spiritual teachings.
Hi Erin. I was wondering if you could recommend any videos here on youtube that in your opinion would represent the best way of understanding the new age movement. Also if you have any videos on how the new age movement perceives the catholic church. Or how you yourself perceives it. Thank you.
Thanks Erin for the good talk. I'm very interested in the question of how the shadow comes out when we try to suppress parts of ourselves, and the contradiction that suppressed negative emotions leads to just projecting the source on others.
I found this video because my dad was a member of Church Universalist Triumphant in the 70s tried to get our family to move from Minnesota to California in 1979 to the Camelot campus, and lead to my parents divorce. I remember the Saint Germaine poster my brother kept on our bedroom wall and the chants he learned. I'm not sure if this all make me a skeptic. It didn't make much sense to me, while I think my brother liked it because he was an extrovert and needed attention from adults more than me. I remember my dad shutting down conversations with my mom because of her "negative energy" so she had to try to phrase everything in a way that denied any sense of duty or obligation or things that needed attention he didn't want to think about.
I think it is correct to say the Jungian shadow goes deep when people can't allow any negative feelings, and it makes sense that it is easier to blame others for "causing" our negative feelings. My parents were opposites with my mom one of 7 siblings, and my dad a single child, so he never seemed to get a sense of his own darker nature (while having siblings you learn easily that you can be cruel and devious.)
My dad's adult decisions seemed to be idealistic, and seeing "spiritual" as real, and ordinary morality as something you sidestep to the higher one. That is, if you have a real emotion of fear, you replace it with a "spiritual" narrative that avoids the fear, while just pushing you into denial of otherwise obvious facts, and "spiritual" rationalizations have no bounds since your mind can make up anything that fits what you want to be true. So such a "spiritual" person can't be dependable to anyone else because ultimately feelings tell you everything important, and everything must conform to what feelings need to be true. If he had an undiagnosed mental illness I can't say, but it probably scares me into trying to find more grounded beliefs if any are needed, or keeping them at speculation like Jung's depth psychology tries.
My dad died in 2010 from a second heart attack which he refused treatment, and was losing his eye sight for a number of years, and didn't want doctors to tell him what was wrong, and instead believed in self-healing from a prayer circle. Probably I can see a similar perfectionism in me, not wanting to look at things I don't like, and I see where that can lead, including a life of fear disguised as feelings of enlightenment.
Really sorry to hear about the difficulties you had with these religious teachings while growing up. Thanks for sharing.
I likesp much your speech. I d like tô watch ali your classes
Thanks. I will be posting some more videos, hopefully some for free. You can sign up for updates at www.eprophet.info
Well, all church have their shadow, they don't see it.. What we have to understand is that we are made of both light/shadow, but our shadow is contaminated with fear, so we try to go to light to avoid fear, but the fall is certain, cause we didn't take the another part with us. It attached to us, no wonder that all church have same kind aberration. We see people want be like Jesus, that a high standard, no wonder they all are screwed. Jesus is God son, humanity is human sons. If shadow was not contaminated we all would live a wonderful life no sin, no fall, that what God want, not wanting us flying without wings. Acept that we live in shadow and live it, no fear what we are, in the end all is love, God acceptance of who we are, we don't need to show God that we are good, in his eyes we are. I like family Adam, that what living in true, dancing with the shadow, it are not our enemy. The fear we accumulated in eons is what became demons in the world.