*ADDITIONAL NOTES AND CORRECTIONS* - Listen to me struggle pronouncing Aglaea’s name throughout lol (so, a correction, I guess) - I totally forgot about that Trailblazer to Phainon transition in the OP video. Thank you for pointing it out!
I think instead of there being 12 Stellarons (unless that isn't what you're saying) there is only one Stellaron and it was separated into 12 coreflames
same. i think that stellaron was seperated at some point to create the coreflames. perhaps to better control its effects? which might have caused some damage to amphoreus in a metaphysical way causing the black tide. personally i am wondering if perhaps amphoreus is a creation of the fragmentum. we know that stellarons have the ability to create things so why not an entire world? i think the stellaron is acting as a sort of supercomputer that is simulating and then creating amphoreus and its history. hence why we can change the past even though we are only going into a simulated recreation of the past. i think when it was split it lost the ability to do so "properly" thus creating the black tide as a side effect. it fits since we know the stellarons dont necessarily fit with the modus operandi of the destruction.
If not split into the coreflames, It could be that the stellaron IS the dawn device that Kephale carries. It could be that the Kephale is using the stellaron in order to sustain what’s left of amphoreus. This also makes me think we’re getting the Worldbearing coreflame last, meaning if Phainon fails the Strife trial and ends up getting Worldbearing, he’ll get it last.
Interesting thing, that I didn't see anyone to discuss, is that if you go to a sea in Vortex of Genesis there will be option "collect your thoughts". It gives you three monologues in one of which Trailblazer first consider if black tide could be connected to Stellaron, but then reject this idea, because think that it's unreasonable to assume that world's problem could be related to Stellaron fourth time in the row.
Also interestingly, Caelus' name means 'sky', 'heavens', or 'celestial' in latin. Apparently Caelus is also the Roman primordial god of the sky as well. And Stelle is 'star'. Meanwhile, Phainon (or Phaenon) name also means 'wandering star' who is also an ancient greek good while he is also meant for the Kephale, who is akin to Zeus in this setting. I think you're onto something with that connection.
Side tangent, but Aglaea referred to Cipher as a fellow demigod when she was talking to Bartholos during the Trailblazer Mission, so it’s highly likely that Cipher is the demigod that holds the Trickery Coreflame
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Honestly I think something is sus with Amporhous. Black tide looks like a computer glitch and the nymphs when collected show emotes. Maybe it's similar to Elysian Realm in HI 3rd?
There's definitely too many mentions of Trailblazer and Phainon being similar to be just an Easter Egg. Upon meeting, we have that option that alludes to a connection, when discussing about Phainon's trial we refer to him as doppelganger, in the trailer devs included a very deliberate transition from Trailblazer morphing into Phainon, and in certain languages they both have the same Voice Actor (Kevin Kaslana's).
Isn't there also a readable in Amphoreus that says the prophecy isn't to be trusted ? In addition to the titans not wanting to cooperate with humans it sounds to me it's not impossible that someone is orchestrating all of this towards Amphoreus's destruction
This is insane but if each coreflame is actually an inactive sealed stellaron that was housed within the giant robots called titans then wouldn't that mean that the real people of the original world were actually followers of nous due to their advanced knowledge of robots and crafts and such and that they found a way to invent and use stellarons as sources of energy that can power up the programmed titans to serve humanity however the robots themselves became infected by the anti-organic equation which led to the destruction of the actual world of amphorieus (in the original story it could have been that the flamechasers were actually in a mission to deactivate the titanic robots by removing their sources of energy which are the stellarons and put them in a special chamber that can house them however they ultimately failed and the price was the destruction of their world and probably the birth of one of the aeons from one of the survivers) afterwards fuli found it and he and his memokeepers recreated it as collected memories of course their work is still far from done until they accidentally stumbled upon the anti-organic equation which became a lethal memetic virus that infects memokeepers too so black swan had no choice but to involve the astral express to fix this virus that is called the black tide otherwise they might lose the entire recreated world to it and all it's precious memories will be lost since the process of recreating amphorieus is not completed yet and the process was halted due to the existing memetic virus as for the confusing history since the actual world relied on nous he probably calculated their demise ages ago before the actual events happened and after fuli got involved the enigmata saw an opportunity and went ahead and shrouded the real history and jumbled everything up just for the purpose of proving nous calculations wrong by giving the chrisos heirs a chance of saving their world (i mean come on the titans as gods? In a world where aeons are considered gods themselves? They look like robots with personalities if you ask me? And guess what? I think their personalities are actually programmed from each chrisos heir personality traits that's why they had to be the ones who put down these robots themselves)
Here my theory. There 2 Phainon. The other Phainon is black swordman in trailer and the one responsible for timeloop Essentially Black Phainon is 1st and OG Phainon where he and Cyrene and other Crysos Heir go journey to defeat Titan. Then after they defeated 12 titan, Cyrene reveal to be 13th Titan and Strongest titan. After brutal battle, Phainon barely won. but at cost of his entire comrade and force to kill Cyrene and Amphoreous was destroyed beyond salvage. Then Stelleron came in and tempted Pahinon to use it. With nothing to lose Phainon use 13 core flames and Stellaron to go back in time to set things right. However due to Erudition precdiction power, Amphoreous destruction is Gurantee as no matter how mant times Phainon go time loop, he ALWAYS fail no matter what he make changes. Now latest loop where he stab Cyrene to split her soul which one of them is Mem and March.
@@ashy969 my two cents beings fuli is doin some sort of his simulated universe , considering some of the titans match aeons , while the third aeon could be mythus or nihility
I feel one problem in this theory is that despite the fragmentums prescence with the Calyx and Cavern, it's still too scarce if the Coreflames were the Stellarons, in the Space Station just the moment Kafka and SW took to put the Stellaron in TB's body was enough to have the Station have corrosion in many places, while it's true that it seems that when Stellaron is secured it doesn't seems to corrode the environment, Phainon had the Coreflame with him a whole day while being around Okheima, and there's any sign of fragmentum corrosion, so, if the Coreflames really were Stellarons, why just carrying one doesn't has the normal effects? Also, I want to point out something interesing in Amphoreus I haven't seen anyone point out yet, at some point you say that the Titans have Paths similar to Aeons, but, I don't think these are similar, rather they are the same Paths, like, every Titan can be linked with one of the Paths that we already know of, there are obvious ones like Talanton with Equilibrium, Cerces with Erudition, or Janus with Trailblaze, furthermore, when reading the entries of the Titans in the Vortex of Creation is clear in their stories that there are some big similarities between each Titan and their respective Aeon, even key words related to the paths being repeated. With that I feel the Titans Emanator level entities that uphold the Paths since the Aeons doesn't seem to be present in Amphoreus, they might even be byproduct of the Aeons, since the Saga of Heroes prophecy has almost at the start "Then the gods cast down the Coreflames, and the Titans were born within", meaning there are some other "gods" aside from the Titans, to close this down, I think the Coreflames are something similar to Lighting Lord or the Corner Stones, something that can bestow someone Emanator level power, and can be passed to someone else. Anyway, nevertheless cool video, excited to see more Amphoreus theories from you in the future.
Fun fact: Fragmentums can become a representation of the past and thus imitate past events or people. Sounds quite similar to how you’re able to go to the past with Oronyx’s blessing, no?
i think that the 3rd responce to the question of Aglaea of being false is actually a hint by the devs for us to think that the stellarons are not the seeds of destruction because it's not the will of Aglaea who makes the golden thread vibreted it's if we say the truth or not for our point of view i think. So we don't really know what its the stellarons like she said !
This would make amphoreus a testing ground for experiments a simulation. Just like the Claymore anime where these warriors were experimented on with dna from the monsters they were fighting in order to combat a more fearsome and dangerous enemy outside the simulation/experimental grounds.
It sure looks like a stellaron, but then, why cant trailblazer undrrstand what titans are saying? Previously it was established, she/he can hear other stellarons. But here we need Castorice to translate. And how can one world contain 12 of these things, when even one is too much... so much questions 🤔
Oh, and also, the flame was exctracted from Nikador, delivered to the vortex and Trailblazer together with Dang Heng saw it, but didn't recognize a stellaron ?
My tin foil hat crack theory is Amphoreus will explain "what is Stellaron". I find it weird that Stellaron and Imaginary energy share the same golden color, I bet both are the same thing and "people" in Star Rail-verse are mistaking it with Nanook because of that similarity And what if Aeon is The Will of Imaginary energy similar concept to The Will of Honkai? Hmmmm
Developers: The birth of an Aeon does not affect the past(most likely because history would be rewritten everytime a new aeon is born). People be like: Phainon is Nanook. Reality: Phainon is called the deliverer, and he is simply the successor to the titan of deliverance(Kephale)…
Also, only Nanook likes to utilize the Stellaron as it most likely is related to his own birth. Amphoreus is likely much older than Nanook's life span…
true, it's just the start of the story and it seems that he is overhyped, because he is "the protagonist" or rather "kevin expy", i mean the story had an unexpected start, mydei was more deserving of the strife coreflame than anyone else because he has experience with fighting nikador.
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*ADDITIONAL NOTES AND CORRECTIONS*
- Listen to me struggle pronouncing Aglaea’s name throughout lol (so, a correction, I guess)
- I totally forgot about that Trailblazer to Phainon transition in the OP video. Thank you for pointing it out!
Trrailblazer even refers to Phianon as their "doppelganger".
I think instead of there being 12 Stellarons (unless that isn't what you're saying) there is only one Stellaron and it was separated into 12 coreflames
same. i think that stellaron was seperated at some point to create the coreflames. perhaps to better control its effects? which might have caused some damage to amphoreus in a metaphysical way causing the black tide. personally i am wondering if perhaps amphoreus is a creation of the fragmentum. we know that stellarons have the ability to create things so why not an entire world? i think the stellaron is acting as a sort of supercomputer that is simulating and then creating amphoreus and its history. hence why we can change the past even though we are only going into a simulated recreation of the past. i think when it was split it lost the ability to do so "properly" thus creating the black tide as a side effect. it fits since we know the stellarons dont necessarily fit with the modus operandi of the destruction.
If not split into the coreflames, It could be that the stellaron IS the dawn device that Kephale carries. It could be that the Kephale is using the stellaron in order to sustain what’s left of amphoreus.
This also makes me think we’re getting the Worldbearing coreflame last, meaning if Phainon fails the Strife trial and ends up getting Worldbearing, he’ll get it last.
Interesting thing, that I didn't see anyone to discuss, is that if you go to a sea in Vortex of Genesis there will be option "collect your thoughts". It gives you three monologues in one of which Trailblazer first consider if black tide could be connected to Stellaron, but then reject this idea, because think that it's unreasonable to assume that world's problem could be related to Stellaron fourth time in the row.
Also interestingly, Caelus' name means 'sky', 'heavens', or 'celestial' in latin. Apparently Caelus is also the Roman primordial god of the sky as well. And Stelle is 'star'. Meanwhile, Phainon (or Phaenon) name also means 'wandering star' who is also an ancient greek good while he is also meant for the Kephale, who is akin to Zeus in this setting. I think you're onto something with that connection.
Side tangent, but Aglaea referred to Cipher as a fellow demigod when she was talking to Bartholos during the Trailblazer Mission, so it’s highly likely that Cipher is the demigod that holds the Trickery Coreflame
Well this channel is perfect for me
1) Lore of Honkai Star Rail and videos about Past version With their secret details
2) Improve My English speak and Write
3) New content yupi
Honestly I think something is sus with Amporhous. Black tide looks like a computer glitch and the nymphs when collected show emotes. Maybe it's similar to Elysian Realm in HI 3rd?
There's definitely too many mentions of Trailblazer and Phainon being similar to be just an Easter Egg. Upon meeting, we have that option that alludes to a connection, when discussing about Phainon's trial we refer to him as doppelganger, in the trailer devs included a very deliberate transition from Trailblazer morphing into Phainon, and in certain languages they both have the same Voice Actor (Kevin Kaslana's).
Isn't there also a readable in Amphoreus that says the prophecy isn't to be trusted ? In addition to the titans not wanting to cooperate with humans it sounds to me it's not impossible that someone is orchestrating all of this towards Amphoreus's destruction
This is insane but if each coreflame is actually an inactive sealed stellaron that was housed within the giant robots called titans then wouldn't that mean that the real people of the original world were actually followers of nous due to their advanced knowledge of robots and crafts and such and that they found a way to invent and use stellarons as sources of energy that can power up the programmed titans to serve humanity however the robots themselves became infected by the anti-organic equation which led to the destruction of the actual world of amphorieus (in the original story it could have been that the flamechasers were actually in a mission to deactivate the titanic robots by removing their sources of energy which are the stellarons and put them in a special chamber that can house them however they ultimately failed and the price was the destruction of their world and probably the birth of one of the aeons from one of the survivers) afterwards fuli found it and he and his memokeepers recreated it as collected memories of course their work is still far from done until they accidentally stumbled upon the anti-organic equation which became a lethal memetic virus that infects memokeepers too so black swan had no choice but to involve the astral express to fix this virus that is called the black tide otherwise they might lose the entire recreated world to it and all it's precious memories will be lost since the process of recreating amphorieus is not completed yet and the process was halted due to the existing memetic virus as for the confusing history since the actual world relied on nous he probably calculated their demise ages ago before the actual events happened and after fuli got involved the enigmata saw an opportunity and went ahead and shrouded the real history and jumbled everything up just for the purpose of proving nous calculations wrong by giving the chrisos heirs a chance of saving their world (i mean come on the titans as gods? In a world where aeons are considered gods themselves? They look like robots with personalities if you ask me? And guess what? I think their personalities are actually programmed from each chrisos heir personality traits that's why they had to be the ones who put down these robots themselves)
I like how you put the relevant facts out there to let us make our own conclusions, instead of an essay on your theory.
Here my theory. There 2 Phainon. The other Phainon is black swordman in trailer and the one responsible for timeloop
Essentially Black Phainon is 1st and OG Phainon where he and Cyrene and other Crysos Heir go journey to defeat Titan. Then after they defeated 12 titan, Cyrene reveal to be 13th Titan and Strongest titan. After brutal battle, Phainon barely won. but at cost of his entire comrade and force to kill Cyrene and Amphoreous was destroyed beyond salvage. Then Stelleron came in and tempted Pahinon to use it. With nothing to lose Phainon use 13 core flames and Stellaron to go back in time to set things right. However due to Erudition precdiction power, Amphoreous destruction is Gurantee as no matter how mant times Phainon go time loop, he ALWAYS fail no matter what he make changes. Now latest loop where he stab Cyrene to split her soul which one of them is Mem and March.
That sounds plausible. Very HI3 and Hoyo likes to recycle.
But... What does Fuli do here? And who is the 3rd Aeon? :)
@@ashy969 my two cents beings fuli is doin some sort of his simulated universe , considering some of the titans match aeons , while the third aeon could be mythus or nihility
I feel one problem in this theory is that despite the fragmentums prescence with the Calyx and Cavern, it's still too scarce if the Coreflames were the Stellarons, in the Space Station just the moment Kafka and SW took to put the Stellaron in TB's body was enough to have the Station have corrosion in many places, while it's true that it seems that when Stellaron is secured it doesn't seems to corrode the environment, Phainon had the Coreflame with him a whole day while being around Okheima, and there's any sign of fragmentum corrosion, so, if the Coreflames really were Stellarons, why just carrying one doesn't has the normal effects?
Also, I want to point out something interesing in Amphoreus I haven't seen anyone point out yet, at some point you say that the Titans have Paths similar to Aeons, but, I don't think these are similar, rather they are the same Paths, like, every Titan can be linked with one of the Paths that we already know of, there are obvious ones like Talanton with Equilibrium, Cerces with Erudition, or Janus with Trailblaze, furthermore, when reading the entries of the Titans in the Vortex of Creation is clear in their stories that there are some big similarities between each Titan and their respective Aeon, even key words related to the paths being repeated.
With that I feel the Titans Emanator level entities that uphold the Paths since the Aeons doesn't seem to be present in Amphoreus, they might even be byproduct of the Aeons, since the Saga of Heroes prophecy has almost at the start "Then the gods cast down the Coreflames, and the Titans were born within", meaning there are some other "gods" aside from the Titans, to close this down, I think the Coreflames are something similar to Lighting Lord or the Corner Stones, something that can bestow someone Emanator level power, and can be passed to someone else.
Anyway, nevertheless cool video, excited to see more Amphoreus theories from you in the future.
cuz of fuli maybe. they are stabilizing the effects of stellaron
Also nanook looks similar to meydei, meydei might have been the one to take the stellaron of kephale in the original world and later on became nanook.
Fun fact: Fragmentums can become a representation of the past and thus imitate past events or people. Sounds quite similar to how you’re able to go to the past with Oronyx’s blessing, no?
Uhm that point 5:58 can explain that part of The op trailer of Amphoerus they do a comparason between TB and Phainon
i think that the 3rd responce to the question of Aglaea of being false is actually a hint by the devs for us to think that the stellarons are not the seeds of destruction because it's not the will of Aglaea who makes the golden thread vibreted it's if we say the truth or not for our point of view i think. So we don't really know what its the stellarons like she said !
In my mind the Traiblazer is special, i cannot accept that there's a dozen trailblazers in Amphoreous.
i've been completely persuaded ! what a video
Was waiting for your thoughts all along
This would make amphoreus a testing ground for experiments a simulation. Just like the Claymore anime where these warriors were experimented on with dna from the monsters they were fighting in order to combat a more fearsome and dangerous enemy outside the simulation/experimental grounds.
It sure looks like a stellaron, but then, why cant trailblazer undrrstand what titans are saying? Previously it was established, she/he can hear other stellarons. But here we need Castorice to translate. And how can one world contain 12 of these things, when even one is too much... so much questions 🤔
Oh, and also, the flame was exctracted from Nikador, delivered to the vortex and Trailblazer together with Dang Heng saw it, but didn't recognize a stellaron ?
fuli might be stabilizing the effects of stellaron
If the trailblazer was created by his cells long time ago .... I'm note surprised...
Finally!
another theory another SLAY.
This made me chuckle 🤣
My tin foil hat crack theory is Amphoreus will explain "what is Stellaron". I find it weird that Stellaron and Imaginary energy share the same golden color, I bet both are the same thing and "people" in Star Rail-verse are mistaking it with Nanook because of that similarity
And what if Aeon is The Will of Imaginary energy similar concept to The Will of Honkai? Hmmmm
Developers: The birth of an Aeon does not affect the past(most likely because history would be rewritten everytime a new aeon is born).
People be like: Phainon is Nanook.
Reality: Phainon is called the deliverer, and he is simply the successor to the titan of deliverance(Kephale)…
Also, only Nanook likes to utilize the Stellaron as it most likely is related to his own birth. Amphoreus is likely much older than Nanook's life span…
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It's my bias, but I don't like Phainon somehow. I don't want him to be as important as the Trailblazer.
true, it's just the start of the story and it seems that he is overhyped, because he is "the protagonist" or rather "kevin expy", i mean the story had an unexpected start, mydei was more deserving of the strife coreflame than anyone else because he has experience with fighting nikador.
yeyyyy was awaiting your theory videos about amphoreus!! hopped on to watch the video right away 🥰🫶
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