The casual conversation review you guys provide is so refreshing. Aimed at the everyday rider, you discuss everything we’re looking for. Appreciate it. Please don’t change a thing.
I think papa citizen is ready for his own channel, he did a excellent job describing the difference between torque and cadence sensor. Funny Bryan I just sent you that email talking about the difficulties of riding with non ebikes and keeping pace and papa citizen nailed it. Definitely in the hunt for a torque sensor bike, maybe the Aventon level 2 . But I hear Rad is coming out with some new models out soon, so I am still looking around.
Pop's description of the torque sensor is the best I've heard; riding with others you easily match the speed, in tight areas where you are at full blast but just need a little finesse the torque sensor offers more control. I rode my first ebike the other day, it was a torque sensor, I wanted to go fast so I had to pedal hard (class I no throttle) so I had top pedal hard, my heart was racing, I was sold.
Love to the hear the thoughts from someone closer to my age. I now have a very good idea which bike I plan to buy. Thanks for the ideas and thoughts you share without obligation for sales.
Enjoyed the conversation, thank you. I must say as a lover of e-bikes, specifically e-long tail cargo bikes with lots of upgrades that really push these bikes into the realm of mopeds, that having integrated blinkers is really a nice addition. I would love to see more bike manufacturers like the Aventon adding integrates signal lights.
I'd like to see them get keys or face ID or fingerprint readers that prevent the rear wheel/pedals from turning until activated. I'd also like to see built in GPS trackers.
I really appreciate hearing Papa’s perspective. We’re likely about the same age. That’s was a great point Papa Citizen made about riding a bike with a cadence sensor when you’re riding with people’s who’s bike have a torque sensor. My son and I will go on rides together every so often. I have the Aventon Aventure with a cadence sensor, he has a “Specialized Turbo Creo SL Comp Carbon Evo” (yes that’s the actual name) with a torque sensor. It’s often a challenge for me to match his pace because my bike does have a cadence sensor. Up to 20 mph I can use the throttle to compensate, so that helps. But guess what? He likes riding above that speed so it takes more effort on my part to ride at his pace. You never seem to hear that point made when people are comparing the difference between e-bikes with cadence and torque sensors. Again, great point. 👍 I like e-bikes with cadence sensors myself because of my knee problems. I just wish Aventon would’ve designed the Aventure with a programmable controller. They really dropped the ball on that one. As a long time motorcyclist I prefer right-hand twist throttle but Brian made a good point about using one with a trigger shifter. You do get uses to the left-hand thumb throttle after a while. I don’t think you could go wrong with any one of these three bikes. With that said… I’ve been eyeing the Himiway Cobra “Pro” and would seriously consider buying one if it had full fenders and a rear rack as standard equipment, or even as options anyways. Maybe Himiway can give Brian a Cobra Pro for a full review? I’d also like to see the Biktrix Juggernaut XD tested and reviewed too. Yo Biktrix?
Just pulled the trigger on the Aventon Adeventure.2 stepover I am 5 ft 11 in tall 200 lbs. I went with the regular size per your advice cause I'm going to add a suspenion post.. Is there a certain post you would recommend? BTW really enjoy all your videos !!
Thanks for Pappas perspective. A suggestion: I have about 10 extra years on Pappa so do also enjoy the cadence sensor and find size is very important, so I went with a non-folding 20" wheel fat tire bike, the Magicycle Ocelot Pro. This was by far the best bike of the 5 I have had in 5 years. The size is perfect for me at 5ft 6in and small frame. This bike or a similar one would probably be an ideal fit for Pappa. As well I like the customizability of settings. Perhaps Pappa could compare a 20in and 26in bike and give his perspective.
Great review! BTW, I mounted the Rambo XL rear rack on my Himiway Cobra using some small stainless steel angle brackets from Home Depot. It works great!
Hi I like your videos... because you speak the truth about e-bike and you give us an honest answer from each brand of e-bikes ., and all the youtube that give you an e-bike for free so that they speak well of the bike and do not tell the truth. I have the Magicycle Bike and it is because of the components and I have had it for a year and I have not had any problems just changing the tires. Thanks for all the recommendations and all the information. We will continue watching your videos.only one
Citizen Pops! Torque sensors are king they simulate a normal bikes riding experience w/ oomph if I need it. . I love torque sensors still with my bike (Hyper Scorpion) I can switch to cadence sensor if I choose. But I never use that. My choice here is Aventon note: timed signal is awesome. I wonder if they sell that as an after-market. I’d buy it.
This is a solid video. That thumb throttle is almost a deal breaker for me, but the support for Aventon bikes makes me favor over the Kepler, MagiCycle, the Juiced bikes, the Ride1Up bikes, the HeyBike models, the Lectric line, etc. Just looking for a solid budget ebike.
Hey, you mentioned support for the Aventon, I went on their website and read all the one star reviews and it was loaded with the lack of support from the company, was wondering if you’ve had first hand experience? Thanks, because I was reall looking at that bike but after reading those reviews I’m not sure now.
Great video..great dad..lol. I would get that exact Aventon Aventure 2. checks all the boxes for me. I believe you can increase the throttle speed to 28 with the app. Thanks. This video sealed it for me. I wasn't sure about step through or step over with aventure2 and wasn't sure regular or large. I will get regular, blue step through. Thanks....
Thanks for that comparison. Do you think the Cobra would be the one to buy since I have longer legs and want to ride ATV trails? Would the other two do them as well or is the full suspension the way to go?
I really like the comparisons made by papa. Is there anyway to review the Mokwheel Basalt and then compare it to the Aventon Adventure? Could you also review the Magicycle deer? Thanks and keep up the great work!
As a 5 ft 6 inch overweight women, the only choice would be the Aventon Aventure. The other two bikes are too big and I don't want to swing my leg over the frame.
The Cobra isn't just a raked out look, The stretch handles Off-road conditions much better. Really can't compare to street only bikes since it's primarily built for rougher terrain.
I don't have an ebike...yet. I am in the market for one and I'm leaning hard towards the Aventure. I'm short and stocky and need the extra stability. I have just one possibly silly question: Are you able to angle the handlebars back at all in case my arm length is too short? It's awful that I want to be outside more and I'm shaped like a Hobbit haha Thanks for your time! (AND A HUGE THANK YOU for all of the unbiased info you've provided!!)
its actually quite easy to use the allen wrench that comes with it and adjust the handlebar and if you choose to you can swap it out at the shop for a fee. The app with Aventon is filled with great stories of happy riders. I am a big fan of mine and definitely suggest it .
So I was told by the local himiway dealer here in salt lake area hat the new himiway zebra now has a torque sensor? Is this not correct . My new bike should be here in a week
I'm getting a large aventon soon but maaaan that zebra looks nice, do wish it used the torque sensor though! Honestly I'm digging all 3, if I had the money I definitely would!
@CitizenCycle925 Yeah dude you've earned a new subscriber! Been geeking out a lout about E-bikes lately but the Aventure definitely seems like the fit for me at this point in time! Is definitely right about the Inevitable maintenance And I have a local bike shop that sells aventon bikes so i'm all set!
Personally I think you're wasting money on the Cobra if your mainly on pavement. It's designed more for off road than the street with the extra fat tires and rear suspension. Either of those other two bikes can handle lite trails fine and for less money.
That Aventon should be able to go faster than 20mph with a 750watt motor. Does it have a controller with not enough voltage? Or does it need to be unlocked with the app like many of them do? If it only goes 20 than why waste power, money and weight with a motor you can't full use? I have a 500w that is as heavy(dual batteries, too)goes 29 on the flats so that should for sure do that at least.
I want the biggest battery and range. Just back from a ride on my Solterra and as usual the battery was down to zero. Looking for a longer range bike next.
I had a little trouble getting this delivered ruclips.net/user/postUgkxn_jUDSlprMIeubd9rHdEAnv59nKfjcKv and eventually had to pick it up from local UPS location, but customer service was really nice and helped me get it before the estimated delivery date. They even gave me a partial refund for my trouble. Thanks Paige! The actual bicycle is just as advertised, and had no damage or scratches. This is an excellent commuter bike for most people. I did a few modifications to make it even better for me personally. I added fenders from my old bicycle. They weren't for disc brakes, but after adding longer bolts and about an inch of spacers the supports no longer interfered with the brakes. I like to pedal HARD and go FAST, so I switched the chain rings to Vuelta Corsa Pro Crankset, Black, 175mm 53/39T Square Taper. This has longer crank arms too, so its kind of 2 upgrades in 1. The front derailleur had to be readjusted so it would stay on only the 2 chain rings until I get a different shifter. I also switched the cassette to one with 11T high gear and a larger low gear. With larger gears on the front and back I also had to get a longer chain. I probably couldn't race this bike unless i got a different cassette with gears closer in size relative to each other, but I can still go plenty fast on flats and downhill while still being able to climb steep hills. For going to and from work and the grocery store this is a great bike. It even looks good. I also added a rear rack and panniers for grocery trips. Now it has great storage capacity especially paired with a backpack. Very happy with my purchase.
Just a message to share my experience with the HIMIWAY ZEBRA. The bike is EU homologated but it is not engraved. Engraving is a European legal obligation. Engraving is required. Me, I did it at Ricobike (30 euros). However, the bike is not of good quality. In appearance, it gives that impression. The only thing you learn with the bike is DIY. In addition, the warranty does not cover labor and for spare parts you have to bring several videos or photos and pay each time the delivery costs (Between 19 and 30 euros) without counting that you have to pay 99 euros for security deposit if it is the controller or the motor. Me, my engine broke down after 76 km. I had to change the bottom bracket sensor and the controller. If you want to DIY this is the right bike. On the other hand, if you want to ride a bike, you have to go your way. Bike to flee. Finally, the company spends its time cleaning up negative reviews on social networks and facebook. Good luck, if you've already purchased it.
CitizenCycle I have a question for u . Why did u take down the reviews of the Wicked freedom ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Wicked is changing their name due to a potential trademark issue. I will repost info on the bike once the name change is complete. Still a great bike 😁
Please try to review a Cyrusher Ranger this is a benchmark flagship bike ! After the comparison with cobra ,double motor both !!! Will make for Great Tv.
@@CitizenCycle925 I have had mine for a month, due to health issues I hope I can ride it in 3 weeks . I have seen 1 review where it reaches 44mph I hope this is true . recently I have seen EU owners are upset it won't break 18 mph. US models come out of the box class 3, with Cyrusher releasing a video on how to disconnect speed limiter. EU OWNERS said this made no difference.
@@CitizenCycle925 It was released by Cyrusher maybe 2 weeks ago ! Remove the left side cover ,look at controller bundle , it's the small diameter red wire. Just disconnect the plug . it can be resnaped back together .
@@tonysmith5507 just watched it I'll have to try unplugging and see what happens. I actually saw that plug the other day in there and wondered what it was haha
I don't like any of the handlebars, I need 45°, the dealers need to be able to change out the handles to something you want... Use a trailer to haul your groceries...
Papa is my age. It's nice to get his perspective.
The casual conversation review you guys provide is so refreshing. Aimed at the everyday rider, you discuss everything we’re looking for. Appreciate it. Please don’t change a thing.
I'm 69 and looking at getting a ebike and this video comparison was perfect for me... Thanks Aventon for me!
I think papa citizen is ready for his own channel, he did a excellent job describing the difference between torque and cadence sensor. Funny Bryan I just sent you that email talking about the difficulties of riding with non ebikes and keeping pace and papa citizen nailed it. Definitely in the hunt for a torque sensor bike, maybe the Aventon level 2 . But I hear Rad is coming out with some new models out soon, so I am still looking around.
Thanks for the review, helps alot having your old man's thoughts for us older fellas exploring the wide world of E bikes
Really enjoyed your dad’s perspective on these bikes.
I like these comparisons.
Pop's description of the torque sensor is the best I've heard; riding with others you easily match the speed, in tight areas where you are at full blast but just need a little finesse the torque sensor offers more control. I rode my first ebike the other day, it was a torque sensor, I wanted to go fast so I had to pedal hard (class I no throttle) so I had top pedal hard, my heart was racing, I was sold.
Love to the hear the thoughts from someone closer to my age. I now have a very good idea which bike I plan to buy. Thanks for the ideas and thoughts you share without obligation for sales.
Enjoyed the conversation, thank you. I must say as a lover of e-bikes, specifically e-long tail cargo bikes with lots of upgrades that really push these bikes into the realm of mopeds, that having integrated blinkers is really a nice addition. I would love to see more bike manufacturers like the Aventon adding integrates signal lights.
I'd like to see them get keys or face ID or fingerprint readers that prevent the rear wheel/pedals from turning until activated. I'd also like to see built in GPS trackers.
We love the vist from papa
Yes I also like hearing your dad's perspective , and he's closer to my age.
I really appreciate hearing Papa’s perspective. We’re likely about the same age.
That’s was a great point Papa Citizen made about riding a bike with a cadence sensor when you’re riding with people’s who’s bike have a torque sensor. My son and I will go on rides together every so often. I have the Aventon Aventure with a cadence sensor, he has a “Specialized Turbo Creo SL Comp Carbon Evo” (yes that’s the actual name) with a torque sensor. It’s often a challenge for me to match his pace because my bike does have a cadence sensor. Up to 20 mph I can use the throttle to compensate, so that helps. But guess what? He likes riding above that speed so it takes more effort on my part to ride at his pace. You never seem to hear that point made when people are comparing the difference between e-bikes with cadence and torque sensors. Again, great point. 👍
I like e-bikes with cadence sensors myself because of my knee problems. I just wish Aventon would’ve designed the Aventure with a programmable controller. They really dropped the ball on that one.
As a long time motorcyclist I prefer right-hand twist throttle but Brian made a good point about using one with a trigger shifter.
You do get uses to the left-hand thumb throttle after a while.
I don’t think you could go wrong with any one of these three bikes.
With that said…
I’ve been eyeing the Himiway Cobra “Pro” and would seriously consider buying one if it had full fenders and a rear rack as standard equipment, or even as options anyways.
Maybe Himiway can give Brian a Cobra Pro for a full review?
I’d also like to see the Biktrix Juggernaut XD tested and reviewed too.
Yo Biktrix?
Poppa Citizen explains it perfectly bring him back the man with the knowledge 👍🏾💙😊
Just bought a Cobra pro and needed the mid drive for climbing.
Just did 45 degree inclines easily the other day.
Just pulled the trigger on the Aventon Adeventure.2 stepover I am 5 ft 11 in tall 200 lbs. I went with the regular size per your advice cause I'm going to add a suspenion post.. Is there a certain post you would recommend? BTW really enjoy all your videos !!
Thanks for Pappas perspective. A suggestion: I have about 10 extra years on Pappa so do also enjoy the cadence sensor and find size is very important, so I went with a non-folding 20" wheel fat tire bike, the Magicycle Ocelot Pro. This was by far the best bike of the 5 I have had in 5 years. The size is perfect for me at 5ft 6in and small frame. This bike or a similar one would probably be an ideal fit for Pappa. As well I like the customizability of settings. Perhaps Pappa could compare a 20in and 26in bike and give his perspective.
Great review! BTW, I mounted the Rambo XL rear rack on my Himiway Cobra using some small stainless steel angle brackets from Home Depot. It works great!
Hi I like your videos... because you speak the truth about e-bike and you give us an honest answer from each brand of e-bikes ., and all the youtube that give you an e-bike for free so that they speak well of the bike and do not tell the truth. I have the Magicycle Bike and it is because of the components and I have had it for a year and I have not had any problems just changing the tires. Thanks for all the recommendations and all the information. We will continue watching your videos.only one
You CAN get a heavy duty rear rack for the Himiway Cobra. I got one from Coffman Outdoors that I like a lot.
can you please send the link. thanks!!!
Citizen Pops! Torque sensors are king they simulate a normal bikes riding experience w/ oomph if I need it. . I love torque sensors still with my bike (Hyper Scorpion) I can switch to cadence sensor if I choose. But I never use that. My choice here is Aventon note: timed signal is awesome. I wonder if they sell that as an after-market. I’d buy it.
This is a solid video. That thumb throttle is almost a deal breaker for me, but the support for Aventon bikes makes me favor over the Kepler, MagiCycle, the Juiced bikes, the Ride1Up bikes, the HeyBike models, the Lectric line, etc. Just looking for a solid budget ebike.
Hey, you mentioned support for the Aventon, I went on their website and read all the one star reviews and it was loaded with the lack of support from the company, was wondering if you’ve had first hand experience? Thanks, because I was reall looking at that bike but after reading those reviews I’m not sure now.
Was looking for your review for the wicked freedom ebike so I could see how tall it was .
Great video..great dad..lol. I would get that exact Aventon Aventure 2. checks all the boxes for me. I believe you can increase the throttle speed to 28 with the app. Thanks. This video sealed it for me. I wasn't sure about step through or step over with aventure2 and wasn't sure regular or large. I will get regular, blue step through. Thanks....
Awesome video,I bought the Cobra pro lots of different power for what your experience is .230lbs perfect ,very stout .get out and ride
Thanks for that comparison. Do you think the Cobra would be the one to buy since I have longer legs and want to ride ATV trails? Would the other two do them as well or is the full suspension the way to go?
I really like the comparisons made by papa. Is there anyway to review the Mokwheel Basalt and then compare it to the Aventon Adventure? Could you also review the Magicycle deer? Thanks and keep up the great work!
As a 5 ft 6 inch overweight women, the only choice would be the Aventon Aventure. The other two bikes are too big and I don't want to swing my leg over the frame.
I would like to see a video of small rides and the different ways they would mount the bikes step thru and step overs
Coffman outdoors sells 2 different racks for the cobra.
I ride a Bee Cool Pathfinder, step over. I would like to get you and papa citizens, perspective on, weather you prefer a 20" or 26" fat tire bike.
The Cobra isn't just a raked out look, The stretch handles Off-road conditions much better. Really can't compare to street only bikes since it's primarily built for rougher terrain.
I don't have an ebike...yet. I am in the market for one and I'm leaning hard towards the Aventure. I'm short and stocky and need the extra stability. I have just one possibly silly question: Are you able to angle the handlebars back at all in case my arm length is too short? It's awful that I want to be outside more and I'm shaped like a Hobbit haha Thanks for your time! (AND A HUGE THANK YOU for all of the unbiased info you've provided!!)
its actually quite easy to use the allen wrench that comes with it and adjust the handlebar and if you choose to you can swap it out at the shop for a fee. The app with Aventon is filled with great stories of happy riders. I am a big fan of mine and definitely suggest it .
wildeway fw11 with a huge battery looks interesting, can you review that one?
Where did you get the fenders for the cobra? Very cool
i made them :)
So I was told by the local himiway dealer here in salt lake area hat the new himiway zebra now has a torque sensor? Is this not correct . My new bike should be here in a week
Torque sensors take all the fun out of it.
Have u tested a Bee Cool Adventure vs the Himiway Cobra. I own a cobra and considering getting a Bee Cool also.
i have not, although i did have a Bee Cool Explorer and i would say the Cobra was definitely the superior build
I'm getting a large aventon soon but maaaan that zebra looks nice, do wish it used the torque sensor though!
Honestly I'm digging all 3, if I had the money I definitely would!
Aventon is much more manageable than the Zebra and Cobra and the torque sensor is very nice to have.
@CitizenCycle925 Yeah dude you've earned a new subscriber! Been geeking out a lout about E-bikes lately but the Aventure definitely seems like the fit for me at this point in time! Is definitely right about the Inevitable maintenance And I have a local bike shop that sells aventon bikes so i'm all set!
@@LydonLewisDoUbLeZz thanks for the sub!!
Really like cobra, dirt bike rider here. I’ll mostly use on street w/ some lite trails. So how’s cobra for primary street?
Personally I think you're wasting money on the Cobra if your mainly on pavement. It's designed more for off road than the street with the extra fat tires and rear suspension. Either of those other two bikes can handle lite trails fine and for less money.
PNW dropper post will take care of getting on and off the bike. I have them all on my ebikes
That Aventon should be able to go faster than 20mph with a 750watt motor. Does it have a controller with not enough voltage? Or does it need to be unlocked with the app like many of them do? If it only goes 20 than why waste power, money and weight with a motor you can't full use? I have a 500w that is as heavy(dual batteries, too)goes 29 on the flats so that should for sure do that at least.
It will assist up to 28 with pedal power and 20 on throttle only. I've had mine up to 32 mph when really pushing it.
Ecells, best "Fat bike" on the market
I want the biggest battery and range. Just back from a ride on my Solterra and as usual the battery was down to zero. Looking for a longer range bike next.
Zebra takes me over 80 miles👍
I had a little trouble getting this delivered ruclips.net/user/postUgkxn_jUDSlprMIeubd9rHdEAnv59nKfjcKv and eventually had to pick it up from local UPS location, but customer service was really nice and helped me get it before the estimated delivery date. They even gave me a partial refund for my trouble. Thanks Paige! The actual bicycle is just as advertised, and had no damage or scratches. This is an excellent commuter bike for most people. I did a few modifications to make it even better for me personally. I added fenders from my old bicycle. They weren't for disc brakes, but after adding longer bolts and about an inch of spacers the supports no longer interfered with the brakes. I like to pedal HARD and go FAST, so I switched the chain rings to Vuelta Corsa Pro Crankset, Black, 175mm 53/39T Square Taper. This has longer crank arms too, so its kind of 2 upgrades in 1. The front derailleur had to be readjusted so it would stay on only the 2 chain rings until I get a different shifter. I also switched the cassette to one with 11T high gear and a larger low gear. With larger gears on the front and back I also had to get a longer chain. I probably couldn't race this bike unless i got a different cassette with gears closer in size relative to each other, but I can still go plenty fast on flats and downhill while still being able to climb steep hills. For going to and from work and the grocery store this is a great bike. It even looks good. I also added a rear rack and panniers for grocery trips. Now it has great storage capacity especially paired with a backpack. Very happy with my purchase.
Just a message to share my experience with the HIMIWAY ZEBRA. The bike is EU homologated but it is not engraved. Engraving is a European legal obligation. Engraving is required. Me, I did it at Ricobike (30 euros). However, the bike is not of good quality. In appearance, it gives that impression. The only thing you learn with the bike is DIY. In addition, the warranty does not cover labor and for spare parts you have to bring several videos or photos and pay each time the delivery costs (Between 19 and 30 euros) without counting that you have to pay 99 euros for security deposit if it is the controller or the motor. Me, my engine broke down after 76 km. I had to change the bottom bracket sensor and the controller. If you want to DIY this is the right bike. On the other hand, if you want to ride a bike, you have to go your way. Bike to flee. Finally, the company spends its time cleaning up negative reviews on social networks and facebook. Good luck, if you've already purchased it.
CitizenCycle I have a question for u . Why did u take down the reviews of the Wicked freedom ????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????
Wicked is changing their name due to a potential trademark issue. I will repost info on the bike once the name change is complete. Still a great bike 😁
Please try to review a Cyrusher Ranger this is a benchmark flagship bike ! After the comparison with cobra ,double motor both !!! Will make for Great Tv.
My cyrusher ranger review should be completed in the next week or so😁
@@CitizenCycle925 I have had mine for a month, due to health issues I hope I can ride it in 3 weeks . I have seen 1 review where it reaches 44mph I hope this is true . recently I have seen EU owners are upset it won't break 18 mph. US models come out of the box class 3, with Cyrusher releasing a video on how to disconnect speed limiter. EU OWNERS said this made no difference.
@@tonysmith5507 I was only able to hit 30mph on it. I will have to look for this video on disconnecting the speed limiter, never seen that
@@CitizenCycle925 It was released by Cyrusher maybe 2 weeks ago ! Remove the left side cover ,look at controller bundle , it's the small diameter red wire. Just disconnect the plug . it can be resnaped back together .
@@tonysmith5507 just watched it I'll have to try unplugging and see what happens. I actually saw that plug the other day in there and wondered what it was haha
HEY WHAT HAPPENED TO YOUR REVIEW OF THE WICKED FREEDOM E BIKE ??????????????????????
🇺🇸
I appreciate your dads honesty but bottom line is if you don't want to pedal don't buy a bicycle by a motorcycle.
Aventon is missing the Boat! Put the motor and battery from the Aventure 2 into the Level 2 commuter bike and Take My Money.
A watch on both wrist, what A alpha LOL 🫡
I don't like any of the handlebars, I need 45°, the dealers need to be able to change out the handles to something you want...
Use a trailer to haul your groceries...
Really?