This definition of "begging the question" seems to diverge from its typical use in philosophy and informal logic. More often, an argument begs the question not when it assumes the truth of a premise, but rather when the justification for some premise presupposes the conclusion in question. If the former definition were right, all arguments with undefended premises would be question begging, which is intuitively the wrong result (presumably, *some* premises must remain undefended in any given context). Relatedly, Fry's argument doesn't seem question begging, even though it is a bad argument. After all, he has given a reason for not voting--one vote never makes a difference. His reason turned out to be false, but that doesn't mean it begs the question in support of his conclusion (namely, that he doesn't need to vote). A better example would be if Fry said: "I don't need to vote, because I don't need to do anything I don't want to do." Presumably, no one would accept the premise unless they *already* accepted the conclusion, which justifies it. That would make the new argument question begging. Anyway, these videos are otherwise really cool and helpful--thanks for making them! Just figured I'd add another perspective.
@@ColburnClassroom My apologies, I really should have said that the textbook's definition seems to diverge (I see that the video cites it). Didn't mean to blame you!
If someone wins by one vote, then 2 votes made the difference. One vote would make it a tie. Unless you are presupposing voting for one or the other vs. voting or not.
I’m confused, I learned that Begging the Question fallacy was like “circular reasoning”. Ex. I think chocolate bars are great. They’re my favorite kind of candy bar because they’re great. Can anyone enlighten me on this?
@@ColburnClassroom No ,he's right. Begging the Question is when you assume your fundamental assertion on the question is the answer to the question itself. Like if I say "There can't be any real evidence for evolution because the bible says God created the heaven and earth and the bible is the infallible word of God" "How do you know the Bible is The Infallible word of God?" "Because the Bible, which is the infallible word of God, says it is". Karine Jean-Pierre has mastered the art of begging the question. Watch her in action for 20minutes and you'll get a masterclass.
God must exist. Some Supernatural entity should have created this universe is a begging the question argument. Because it assumes the creation of universe by some external agency
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This definition of "begging the question" seems to diverge from its typical use in philosophy and informal logic. More often, an argument begs the question not when it assumes the truth of a premise, but rather when the justification for some premise presupposes the conclusion in question. If the former definition were right, all arguments with undefended premises would be question begging, which is intuitively the wrong result (presumably, *some* premises must remain undefended in any given context). Relatedly, Fry's argument doesn't seem question begging, even though it is a bad argument. After all, he has given a reason for not voting--one vote never makes a difference. His reason turned out to be false, but that doesn't mean it begs the question in support of his conclusion (namely, that he doesn't need to vote). A better example would be if Fry said: "I don't need to vote, because I don't need to do anything I don't want to do." Presumably, no one would accept the premise unless they *already* accepted the conclusion, which justifies it. That would make the new argument question begging. Anyway, these videos are otherwise really cool and helpful--thanks for making them! Just figured I'd add another perspective.
Very well-argued and fair. It's tough to find perfect examples. The definition comes from a text I had used with students. Thanks for watching!
@@ColburnClassroom My apologies, I really should have said that the textbook's definition seems to diverge (I see that the video cites it). Didn't mean to blame you!
@@jonathonvandenhombergh4684 No worries! Thanks for watching and commenting.
I like that this guy keeps the joke after the fallacy lol
Thanks for making this. I get frustrated seeing how people use the term nowadays. I want to tell them how that's not what "begs the question" means.
This isn't begging the question. Begging the question is when the conclusion is assumed in the premises.
The smartest person in the room is the one that seems stupid when he's actually the smartest in the room.
If someone wins by one vote, then 2 votes made the difference. One vote would make it a tie. Unless you are presupposing voting for one or the other vs. voting or not.
Meanwhile, 99% of people use it in place of "raises the question"
I’m confused, I learned that Begging the Question fallacy was like “circular reasoning”. Ex. I think chocolate bars are great. They’re my favorite kind of candy bar because they’re great. Can anyone enlighten me on this?
Whoever taught you that was wrong. Begging the Question is often misused.
@@ColburnClassroom So I guess my Philosophy teacher was wrong or perhaps I misunderstood? 😯
@@ColburnClassroom I know the phrase has been misused, comparably to “raises the question”.
@@ColburnClassroom No ,he's right. Begging the Question is when you assume your fundamental assertion on the question is the answer to the question itself. Like if I say "There can't be any real evidence for evolution because the bible says God created the heaven and earth and the bible is the infallible word of God"
"How do you know the Bible is The Infallible word of God?"
"Because the Bible, which is the infallible word of God, says it is".
Karine Jean-Pierre has mastered the art of begging the question. Watch her in action for 20minutes and you'll get a masterclass.
God must exist.
Some Supernatural entity should have created this universe is a begging the question argument.
Because it assumes the creation of universe by some external agency
Well yeah but, one vote makes no difference almost 100% of the time.
American democracy is the BEST!