How to turn your scrap silver into new sheet metal and wire.
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- Опубликовано: 7 сен 2024
- In this video I will be showing you how I reuse my scrap silver and turn it into new silver wire and sheet.
Here is a list of all the tools that I use:
Blue Rolling Mill With 7 Rollers - amzn.to/30VEjEZ
Green Roller Mill (This is the cheapest one I could find) - amzn.to/2VnZoGL
PepeTools Combination Rolling Mill - amzn.to/2VnZxdh
Solder Fume Extractor Smoke Absorber - amzn.to/2OpOmza
Hakko FA430-KIT1 Smoke Absorber (Best Setup) - amzn.to/2LS3vI7
Wire & Sheet Metal Ingot Mold - amzn.to/2Is9CAx
2 Crucibles With Wire Handle - amzn.to/2MlBQOv
20 Mule Team Borax Laundry Booster - amzn.to/2o9oixT
Smith Little Torch Acetylene Heating Tip - amzn.to/35aBi6J
The Little Torch with 5 Tips - amzn.to/2VgvR1A
Non-Ferrous Wire Gauge - amzn.to/2Mgifzy
Vernier Caliper - amzn.to/2oXS3RY
Dark Glasses Safety Glasses - amzn.to/31PDZZq
Tripod with screen - amzn.to/33bs8p1
And here is a link to all of these items with pictures and some extra that are not posted here. amzn.to/2oa5lLs
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In this video I will be showing you how I reuse my scrap silver and turn it into new silver wire and sheet.
Here is a list of all the tools that I use:
Blue Rolling Mill With 7 Rollers - amzn.to/30VEjEZ
Green Roller Mill (This is the cheapest one I could find) - amzn.to/2VnZoGL
PepeTools Combination Rolling Mill (This is what I would be getting next) - amzn.to/2VnZxdh
Solder Fume Extractor Smoke Absorber - amzn.to/2OpOmza
Hakko FA430-KIT1 Smoke Absorber (Best Setup) - amzn.to/2LS3vI7
Wire & Sheet Metal Ingot Mold - amzn.to/2Is9CAx
2 Crucibles With Wire Handle - amzn.to/2MlBQOv
20 Mule Team Borax Laundry Booster (Boric Acid) - amzn.to/2o9oixT
Smith Little Torch Acetylene Heating Tip - amzn.to/35aBi6J
The Little Torch with 5 Tips - amzn.to/2VgvR1A
Non-Ferrous Wire Gauge - amzn.to/2Mgifzy
Vernier Caliper - amzn.to/2oXS3RY
Dark Glasses Safety Glasses - amzn.to/31PDZZq
Tripod with screen - amzn.to/33bs8p1
And here is a link to all of these items with pictures and some extra that are not posted here. amzn.to/2oa5lLs
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GomeowCreations ,
Your videos are excellent. You are a natural teacher. You're succinct, you cover everything, and explain well. Thanks for making them!
Well thank you and I'm happy I could help 😁👍
I'm glad I'm not the only one with my rolling mill flopping around. I swear I'll get it bolted down eventually!
If I ever get the studs for the table I will make a video about it so everyone can see how to bolt it down and easily remove it haha
Ya, just as soon as you get that permanent studio space, right? LOL
@@Ty-ri7dy I do have one though! I even have the bolts! I just cringe at the thought of drilling into the bench. Plus we need to move 2 of the benches and they're already covered in equipment, and well... (unless you were talking to the OP in which case oops)
@@cleverkimscurios3783 No, that was a reply to you. I can just haven't gotten my permanent bench spot yet. I really want to clear out a space to put it, but until then I haven't bolted anything down yet.
I make ingots all the time. Ditch the messy oil and use your torch with just the acetylene on . Coat the mold with the carbon from the flame. Way more consistent pours and no stinky oil smell. Thank me later!
I have seen that before but I will give it a try 😁👍
You can use a draw plate in a vice and just pull by hand, it works fine for thinner wire.
Yeah that is one way to do it but I need to get a better draw plate along with a strong work bench 😅
I'm still new at this framework ... this was helpful ... Thank you
Fabulous video! I had been wondering how this was done. Thanks to you I have the knowledge about it now. Great information!
Well thank you and I will be making full casting videos soon 😁👍
Propane torches work for melting silver. When I was a teenager I started out with some red clay/ dirt I found on the ground that didn't melt or pop when heated. Pack a layer into a cheap ladle and heat. You just can't melt silver or copper in any sort of steel or iron vessel by itself, it has to be lined with cheap fireclay/sand mix or cheaper red clay dirt off the ground. Use roach killer tablets or laundry detergent as a flux and use dry graphite spray lubricant on whatever you pour the molten silver in. You don't want molten silver or copper to ever touch bare steel or cast iron.
Instead of water, pour it into raw linseed oil, it comes out much better.
Nice video, thanks. For those who don’t have or want oxygen tanks, melting can be done with a compressed air/ propane (or other fuel gas) mix. I use the Swiss Torch oxy/ propane. But I know they have a melting head for compressed air/ propane. Also, the National Blowpipe 3A/ 3B torch has a melting rosebud tip selection that are for compressed air. The latter can be had for cheap on ebay. There are also smaller tips for it that work for small jewelry pieces. Their tips are expensive, but if you find a used one that can make them cheaper for a starter torch. I think the biggest drawback to the National is that it is larger than the little torches, the Meco Midget, and the Swias Torch.
Forgot to mention, I really love that you practice and teach safety. Too many youtubers flagrantly disregard safety and are putting people at risk of injury and of cancer, and problems with breathing and vision among other things.
Your channel is the best. I'm about to buy some of these tools and get started making my own wire. I finally have enough finished pieces to have scrap left over. LOL thanks for the great tutorial videos. I'm learning so much from them.
Thanks, let me know if you have any questions. 😁
To straighten wire, after you anneal it, lock one end in a vise, grab other end with pliers and give it a tug. The wire will stretch a tiny tiny bit but you will have a perfectly straight wire!
I'm really going to have to try this, I need to get a better vice and mount it to may work bench.😅
You can use propane torch to melt your alloys, they get up to 3,623 degrees Fahrenheit or 1,995 degrees Celsius, which is plenty of heat to melt silver and gold.
Not the propane torches that I have, I just have propane plumbing torches. I know if you have a propane and o2 setup you can do it.
I've had decent luck melting small lumps of silver with a map gas plumbing torch
I'm so glad to find this channel
😁
Very detailed video, nice! I'm wondering if the hole didn't come from the solder. I was told not to use any scrap with solder and to run over the scrap with a magnet (bits of saw blades, etc.) because it can cause malformations. Also, adding a little fine to the sterling will help maintain a .925 purity. I separate mine and send the soldered stuff to a refiner. They still pay out for the silver content in the solder. Just some thoughts. Thanks for all the detailed info!
Veeeery useful and informative! Thank you!
i learned stuff- thx much
Great tutorial. Thank you.
I love my pepetool 130 mm electric rolling mill, spits it out like crazy fast.
I don't have one of those yet haha
Why am I watching this? For something I'm never going to do... But its interesting to see this all.
We can just mark it down as entertainment purposes 😁👍
Great video as always thought I think some people might be confused when you say Boric Acid I thought 20 team mule was straight borax and boric acid is like roach killer
Yeah you are right, that was my bad sadly I can edit the video after it has been uploaded 😅
Excellent video
Excellent explanation, thank you
😁👍
Just like magic
For my application I just use it how it comes out of my rolling mill as I mostly use square wire.
I do the same most of the time
@@GomeowCreations it may sound kinda weird to anyone else but making wire with my scrap is fun and relaxing for me. If I'm having a stressful day, I go out to my shop, melt silver, and make wire.😂
they make two types of gages for wire one for ferrous and one for non-ferrous
Once a smith asked me, which was warmer, the red or the black hot? The black, because you never touch the red hot.
I would really like to see some of your jewelry making videos
Do you have a type of jewelry in mind?
GomeowCreations rings in particular and whatever else you have experience in. I would like to see general handmade jewelry techniques as there seems to be very little information on it. Shaping and forming raw silver into beautiful works of art. Thanks for your reply!
Nice work. I was just melting silver and banging on it to make ring decorations. I dont have a rolling mill yet so i cant do this. How long does it take to swap out rollers?
If you have done it before and know what you are doing you can swap the rollers out is 5-10mins
Great stuff, Randy
Thanks
well presented
Thanks 😊👍
i use my map pro torch to melt silver , plenty of heat
Thank you
Hi I like your video of making spoon rings but you said if anyone was interested in seeing how to do it just sterling silver spoons look at comments below, I could not find the comments but I am interested in seeing that video
I think I said to leave a comment if you wanted to see me make a silver spoon ring.
@@GomeowCreations Yes, that is the video I would like to see.
As a request/suggestion I would like to see a video on how to make a chime with spoons and forks.
seen a few videos and liking your content. Could you do a new version of this video but without talking. so basically a ASMR version that would be pretty cool
You are not the first to ask for ASMR videos haha. I will think about it.
And so we are clear it would just be the working sounds?
@@GomeowCreations pretty much
@@GomeowCreations I'ma leave a link here to show a great example but basically yeah. He doesn't talk in the videos but he does add subtitles to introduce things like a tool hes about to use or a short description on why hes adding/doing something sometimes. ruclips.net/video/hkoEnFTN5lA/видео.html&ab_channel=TysyTubeRestoration
Great video and learning from others.
Currently I work with wood jewlery, but would like to try with silver also. Question is, where to buy 925 raw silver (sheet metal, ingots, wire,...)? I don't trust chinesee sellers on e-bay.
Thank you
Well if you want just raw silver or gold you can get it form www.apmex.com/
if you want silver sheet and wire you can get that and a lot more from www.riogrande.com/
@@GomeowCreations thank you.
Because I live in EU I Need to take a look for supplier here.
Simon Vida yup
Hi, I followed your tutorial and melted my scrap silver. I have the same mould as you have and when I tried to pour the molten silver into the wire mould it just came over the top and didn’t go into the round mould. I had warmed the mould a great deal and silver was molten. What did I do wrong please?
Is it ok to mix sterling silver with a little bit of pure silver to pour into ingot
Thanks for video, i learn alot, why you heat the silver after few rolls, and how you make the silver soft or hard ? For example i need silver wires to twist them and make a wire tree or i need a hard silver for a ring. And for example if you continue to bend a wire to not beake. Thanks
Heating the wire is the make it soft so you can work with it or so you can keep rolling it out without it cracking. 😁👍
@@GomeowCreations thank you, i need to make it hard again ? And to make that i heated and fast cold in water ?
Silver will work harden and you move it but the only ways that I know of to harden it is to hammer it, put it into a tumbler with some steel shot or but it is a kiln at something like 600f for an hour and let cool.
Heading it and putting it into cold water will not do anything, that I know of.
You mentioned something about solder and chains, and different types of silver, what's happen if i melt different mixed silver ? Or different mixed silver and solder, many chains... That solder is silver base ? Or is that copper solder/electronic circuits, and one more question :D what happen if i miss a other material in mix ? Is a way to purify ? Thank you very mach
What I learned is: never put the form upright because the metal might spread back out. We werde told to use a slight angle.
I can see an angle helping. 😁
Please show us how to make sterling! 😁
Ok, later I can do that
Great video! Thank you for making it and the supplies/tools links. I was looking at a similar Mill, had no idea it would take that long to change the rollers! 😬
I do have a question, is it important to pickle your scrap before melting in the crucible? Or does it matter?
You don't need to pickle it before melting it.
So you say you need a mixed gas torch but I've been able to melt down an ounce of fine silver which has a higher melting point than Sterling with a regular propane torch on a firebrick, is there some reason that wouldn't work in a Crucible?
Oxygen and MAPP gas is so expensive
Do I need it higher than the melting point?
I know there's torch your using in the video sucks cuz I have the same one but if you put on a larger hread than it can really get the work done
What kinda of torch are you using? I use propane plumbers torches so they don't put of enough head to melt silver in my experience.
Mapp gas is really not that much more than a simple propane torch coming in at like $60 for the full setup and like $10 for a refill can.
Yeah you can use a bigger head on it to get stuff melted but I wanted to keep this very basic. I really like my little torch setup and it works perfectly for soldering and casting.
So will all of that said use whatever works for you and that is in your price range 😊👍
@@GomeowCreations just wanted see if there's something you knew that I didn't, I am using the t8000 from BernzOmatic which is my favorite for everything and it's a regular Plumbing torch it works with MAPP gas that I use it with propane.
It cost like fifty bucks just for the head but it's a great mix of heat output and pin pointing I'd love to have an oxygen assisted torch but i dont think it's really in the cards right now gas is very expensive where I live the only retail supplier is Airgas which gouges like crazy
I'm just trying out some casting stuff, making billets and mixing up solder and stuff.
Not to mention I'm low-key worried about explosions.
Can you smelt stainless steel forks and spoons
Not with this setup
Given the cost of precious metals, do you recover the dust and small bits of metal when you are drilling or using the setting burrs?
I try to but as you might have seen I don't have the right table setup for catching all of it haha. But I do try.
So cool,,!
Thanks
How much should I expect to invest in materials such as one the ones you have? Thank you
do you oil the carbon molds? I have a problem usually with making a round or ingot that when I pour the silver does not distribute evenly, however I am using MAPP Pro with a bernzo ts8000 not acetolyne.. Please let me know your videos are great!
I don't oil carbon molds but you do want them to be hot or warm so the metal can flow into them and cool slower.
What if I haven't been too careful and I have mixed SS, FS and Arg in the same scrap pile?
I will be 100% honest with you, I really don't know. That being said you could melt all of it together and still make stuff using it but if you sell it make sure to tell the people that it is a mix of those metals.
You can also sell/recycle it by sending it into a company that does that and they will pay you for the metals. I suggest starting to separate them in from now on. 😅👍 I wish I could be more help..
sir would you mind helping me i have a plate of 3mm thickness and i wish to convert it into 1.mm wire is there any standard operating procedure for that
Use a draw plate
Do you lose a percentage of silver when you melt it down? (Sorry if that's a weird question?!) ❤️
Do you mean let me does it burn off? I guess it might a little but nothing you would notice. You will leave a little behind in the container that you melt it in but it's a very little. I can do a weight test to see.
i love it muahh 😘
I remember about the time if the plandemic that oxy acetylene was hard to come by, so I had to take egg shells, (calcium carbonate) powder them, and powder some charcoal from my wood grill. Then zap the hell out of it with my arc welder to make calcium carbonate which when added to pure water, not tap water, makes good clean acetylene gas that I harvested and then using electrolysis made oxygen gas. After running them through my own tanks I was able to refill them enough to make jewelry again and pay my rent.
That was a fun time.
Could you possibly do a video on mokume
I have one for wire but I can look into it for sheet metal ruclips.net/video/GozErD8Z930/видео.html
@@GomeowCreations 👍
Sorry, noob question: So the Borax doesn't affect the purity of the silver?
no it doesn't mix with the silver and the silver kind of floats on top of it.
What is the device called that you are pouring the silver into?
this bit.ly/IngotMold
what is the purpose of the Boric acid, I didn't hear what you said
It acts as a kind of flux and it costs the inside of the container that your are melting the metal in, that is what it looks all glassy. Also it's Borax not boric acid, I kinda miss spoke 😅
what happens if when melting silver you mix clean silver with silver that has been solder
You can mix in a very little silver that has solder on it into your clean silver. If you add too much to it you will get some odd spots or holes in your metal along with it bringing down the purity of the metal.
@@GomeowCreations ive wondered this too. when melting old silver or gold scrap jewelry, should I cut out (or file off) all the pieces where I can assume there was a soldering? im referring to melting the metal, intending to use it in a new piece. thanks
Where did you get your heavy metal mesh from?
Awesome
Thanks
What purpose does the boric acid serve?
I miss spoke and I meant to say borax 😅 It acts as flux 👍
Do you know if there are public places that can melt our silver for us?
I don't, but I know some places will take your scrap a give you money for it.
How long did this rolling mill last you?
A few years and then I ended up upgrading and selling that one to someone else that probably still uses it to this day.
@@GomeowCreations Thanks. I'm looking to get one, but just can't do $1000 for the pepe one I would like. So I was considering getting this one to start with. I'm trying to get more budget friendly tools to start, then I can upgrade as time and finance permits.
The boric acid vs borax confusion is really a widespread thing. To be clear, borax is used to season the crucible and as a flux, right? Boric acid isn't used at all in this process. Boric acid is used by jewelers for things like a barrier flux. It can really be confusing for people trying all this for the first time.
could you recommend the best size/shape/weight hammer to achieve 20G sheet gold from ingot without a rolling mill?
Honestly no I can't 😅 I have never hammered out sheet metal or gold for that matter...
'You're going to want to wear pants"! You mean I can't do this naked?!
Haha it's your body, so I can't stop you 😅
I literally immediately came down to the comments to see if this was mentioned. Silvermember is the new austin powers movie.
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Ese laminador es malisimo. No se te a roto?
You need to learn how to get going with this you're doing good but you put me in a coma
its solder please use the L
No