Overly harsh on the B650E-F. The criticism is quite specific to using the 4x PCIe slot AND the third M.2 - I'm not sure who would need to do this as a third SSD would likely be a large capacity, cheap 2.5 only for storage. It's very common for B spec boards to have resource sharing, it's the compromise of spending less for a B instead of the Z with more PCIe lanes.
Deal at microcenter right now has that board. Asus is kind of iffy with problems recently and I was going to get x670e steel legend. But it's a killer deal.
The asrock b650E PG riptide wifi should have been B tier because this motherboard has PCIe 5.0 support for the primary 16x graphics slot and the one M.2 slot but the usb connectivity is a bit limited
@@stephan1284 he didn't say it didn't have 5.0 support he said it did not have full 5.0 support i.e 16 lanes instead of 24 lanes. Not that it matters not even the 4090 requires a gen 5 PCIE lol.
Yeah, I had based my info off the block diagram. But it makes sense that it should be Gen 5 since B650E by definition means graphics and storage offer Gen 5.
These comparison videos are priceless. Fantastic info. Before finding these videos, it took me 3 days to make a decision on my system build and two of those days I spent on the boards. Wish I found these videos earlier. Luckily I went with the GB so I picked the right one for my use case at least.
Wow, he shit on the Asus ROG Strix B650E-F for resource sharing and and being expensive and then proceeded to rank boards much higher that did the same thing and were much more expensive.
@@zenithchan1646 Depends on your luck from what I know, might be lack of QC, Some people have issues with this board, but some not. So Yeah. But if that's happened you can RMA them.
b650e aorus master 449$ b650e-e 349$ at least at bestbuy, and the price of gigabite one could go higher depending on marketplace, so, in terms of price, i'd say for sure - go for b650e-e asus
Asus Rog B650E-F here is at a discount price here in Portugal for 229 december 4th 2023. nice pricing and i do agree with u 290 for this board is a big nono, but 229 is alot more reasonable.
ASRock B650E PG Riptide in C? It's currently the cheapest B650E motherboard that is well equipped. Others B650E mobos are like 50-100$ more expensive and don't really offer that much more.
After researching the last couple months, I ended up ordering the ASRock B650E Taichi. Waiting for it to be be delivered, and I'll start my build soon. I agree with your pros/cons on it. I liked it had the thunderbolt 4 built in and that there were no shared lanes with the primary GPU pcie slot. Wish it wasn't EATX, probably one of my cons for that board. The S tier Gigabyte also makes a lot of sense for the features and design choices as you pointed out.
Heads up, if you plan on using a cooler that does not make use of the stock AM5 backplate, the MLCCs behind the cpu socket prevent some third-party back plates to work.
I actually came here to watch your review of the ASRock B650E PG Riptide Wifi, which you say doesn't have a Gen5 PCIe GPU slot. The ASrock homepage tells me it does. Who am i supposed to believe ?
I think asus b650e-e is best balanced board, it's only one which will give you not shared x16 and x4 pcie (eg. for capture card), with 3 free not shared m.2... and one shared m.2 gen5 and one shared pcie5 x8 slot.
@@techluvin7691 not sure what you mean actually. Gigabyte increased the msrp for B650E Aorus Master to $449, so its actually more expensive than the Asus b650e-e
Your analysis is on point with every manufacturer except ASRock. In your last video you stated x670e Pro RS doesn't come with wifi which it does and you knocked it down a peg for it. This video you said B650e PG Riptide is missing pcie 5.0 in the first slot and it does have it, you also knocked it into c tier because of it.
You are correct that the B650E PG Riptide does have Gen 5 in the top slot. However, ASRock's block diagram labels it as Gen 4. So they haven't documented it properly in the manual. I had to look at other pages in the manual to see it list Gen 5 for the x16 slot. As a B650E board, it should include Gen 5 for both the graphics and storage as by definition.
@@GameTechReviews and the x670 Pro RS 🤔🤨?lol. Sorry just wanted you to be on point with your research as did I for weeks on straight trying to decide which one to purchase with 7800x3d. I narrowed it down to Asus ROG Strix b650e-e for the lowest end possible and MSI x670e carbon wifi for balls to the wall. Leaning towards MSI just because they have a special feature for the 7800x3d that boosts it's performance but wondering if I would be able to achieve the same results with Asus b650e-e board?
@@arielis78 I have seen the MSI special sauce marketing for 10% performance boost. As they are very secretive about what they did to come to the extra 10% performance boost. My guess is they simply did the external clock generator trick to boost the MHz for the CPU. I recommend you to watch the SkatterBencher video here on YT where he shows his +10.71% performance boost settings.
@@N0N0111 Yes, I have seen scatterbenchers video on boosting the 7800x3d with asynchronous clock generator. Problem is b650e-e doesn't have it and I'm not that tech savvy expert overclocker to do such a thing on the Asus RS x670e-e board. MSI makes it easy for me to achieve that 10-12% boost on all their 600 series motherboards. That is why I narrowed down to either Asus b650e-e or MSI X670e Carbon wifi(if I want to unlock the full potential of 7800x3d).
@@arielis78 "MSI makes it easy for me to achieve that 10-12% boost" > Won't that damage the CPU overtime due to high voltage? Many Ryzen 7000 CPUs have burnt out for that.
This is a very poor video coz B650E-F doesn't really deserve a D for the reasons said in the video. Not everyone's a content creator who will use all m.2 slots and a capture card at the same time. Sure it's okay to be aware of this but to deserve the worst ranking over it seems overly harsh. It doesn't seem like any proper testing went into this video but the user just read item descriptions over at amazon and compared through that, so he doesn't know reliability of boards among other things that will actually matter in real world scenario. For example, the Riptide ranked at C in this video has high thermals.
Got the b650e-f open box from Microcenter for $120. Main factor was $180+ off and Pcie 5 for gpu & m.2. Would definitely not pay retail, but for $120, was a steal.
The x670e steel legend also has a pcie 3x16 second slot. The only differences between the b650e and x670e is a few more high speed usb slots, one extra pcie 3x1, two more sata slots and a fourth m.2 4x4 slot. Honestly if you’re just a pc gamer and aren’t using your pc for production or content creation, you don’t need the extra slots on the x670e
i recently discovered your videos and I really appreciate all the info you pack into your videos, they're a great supplement for people to use on top of their own research. I actually went with the Taichi board because it seemed to be the best fit and could be had for under $400 (and I wanted to do something other than ASUS this time around.) Unfortunately the MLCCs behind the socket had a larger footprint that prevented an EK waterblock's backplate to fit so I ended up ponying up for an X670E Aorus Master based partly on your X670E breakdown video.
So, in the Netherlands right now, the Aorus Master is almost as expensive as the Taichi. Would you still rank the Aorus higher for those prices? Personally I don't know why you'd want to use 4 M.2 slots (honestly, I don't see why I'd use 2, especially since the primary one is faster than the other slots), and I don't actually think there's a whole lot of people using extra PCI slots at all, unless they're content creators maybe? Only thing I ever used on for was a soundblaster card, and those went the way of the dodo.
I came here specifically when researching the ASRock Riptide... but the information on here and in the comments seems to go against whats in the manual? It's clearly written in the manual and on the block diagram that BOTH the PCIe x16 slot and one of the m.2 x4 slots are both Gen5?
what do you think in late 2024. b650e aorus master or the b650e aorus pro ? pro has 6 lanes pcb. but dont know what this means. the pro costs 333 dollar and the master cost 388 in my country. which one would be more future proof?
good video man. nicely done. great recap. I went with the Asus B650e-e gaming board. Right now the Aorus Master is not available. Sub earned. going to be following what other content you put out.
That Asrock Steel Legend is $199 on Newegg. I'd still keep it at a B tier. The B550 had a post code. The rear i/o is lacking imo compared to the x670e. I think you nailed it when you said that this was an upsale for the X670e. I still might get it at $199 though. Cant beat it at that price.
Will you do a B650 ranking? Can't wait to find out where the B650 Aorus Pro AX and B650M Aorus Elite AX would be. However, the high-pitch noise of gigabyte AM5 boards is annoying.
Aorus Master B650E doesn't exist, it's discontinued. I have a money but I will never buy anything for over MSRP, be it a Motherboard or a car. It's only available from scumbag scalpers at the moment, and people are saying it was discontinued due to issues. I agree on paper it look3ed the best by far. I am tearing my hair out trying to decide on a motherboard. I was thinking Asus Strix E-E but then thats melting 7800X3Ds apparently... what to do?
What do you mean it's discontinued? I just ordered it, because I am returning back my ASUS b650E-E of the melting problems, and shitty ASUS support. EDIT: I have just read on Reddit that others are returning their Aorus Master boards... thinking now if I should cancel order aswell... wtf.... what board to get then..
After doing some independent research, it also came down to the Auros Master and the Asus B650E-E for me. One of my considerations was that I needed an optical out for my speaker setup. In the end went with the Asus since I had good experience with their past motherboards and bios.
@@Leaa321654 issues were mostly affecting ryzen x3d cpus. It should be resolved now with the latest firmware. Haven't had any problems with mine with 7700x
@@TN8PT problems with the I225-V Intel Lan 2.5 GB chip. The I225-V was plagued by many network connection problems that led to connectivity loss and performance deterioration. The issues could only be fixed at the hardware level, so Intel eventually released the I225-V2 controller. I wonder if the Asus, who was mentioned a lot with this problem, has this fix. Buying a PCI-E network card is a possibility but a strange one if you buy an expensive board that is not working LAN out of the box. Installing windows becomes also a problem because Windows ask for a wifi of lan connection during setup and the LAN was not found during setup.
i know this video is a couple months old but should i go with the asus rog strix b650E-E or the AsRock X670E PG Lightning. The PG is actually 30 cheaper i have a wifi card and x670E seems better overall eventho the quality of the asus board might be better i need help.
@@GameTechReviews i just heard the lanes for 2 of the m2 slots are weird. 1 only has 2x and one 3x another option was the tuf gaming x670e plus but thats lowest on your list idk. Also i dont really know if i need a E board at all dont know for what i need pcie 5.0 right now but i kinda dont want to upgrade the mainboard again when i upgrade cpu in a couple years
Bad review, B650E PG Riptide wifi supports PCIe 5.0 on graphics & one m2, both connected directly to CPU, also he didnt mention VRM phases in video, which is very important
Some people are already complaining for the slow SATA on ROG STRIX B650E-E. Asus don't really mention ASM1061 anywhere in the spec 😁(cheaters), this is not acceptable. It seem that Asus provided 4 slow SATA ports instead of 2 fast ones, really disappointing from my point of view, I still use 2 SSD SATA drives and don't like the fact that they will go on slower speeds than my 8 years old Intel pc. It seem that that Asus decided to put two ASM1061 controllers. I was hoping that if you have two drives they should go at the maximum speed, and Asus did some kind of a switch, but seems no, at least for now. This is manufacturer's doing, deliberately, not nice.
Now both of Gigabyte b650 boards I have here have coil whine. B650E AORUS Master and DS3H both have bad coil whine, especially DS3H which gives a dog whistle sound. Aorus master has this sound that somewhat resembles an HDD, but quiter. Still too loud for comfortable use. I will return both these boards. PCIe layout is not everything. BIOS and overall experience are very important.
can't agree more. I've returned 2 v1.0 B650M Aorus Pro AX (date code 2238 and 2239) boards, and replaced them with a B650(NO M here) Aorus Pro AX v1.1 (date code 2312）, and finally has a acceptable coil whine noise level while keeping the SPDIF interface.
B650E Aorus Master has a QC issue where it will crash on AVX loads and if you have a 7600x you wont even know it has the bug until you get a higher core CPU, If you want to gamble with it then get it from a reputable retailer
I got the rog b650ef from microcenter with 80 off my cpu and a free kit of gskill flare 32gb 6000mhz ram. Throw in the 7900x and it was 600 dollars for the 300 dollar board, 450 dollar chip, and 100 dollar ram.
Asus boards are melting 7800X3Ds apparently. Not sure if its a BIOS issue, user error or what but apparently its happened to several people. Waiting on a Gamers Nexus take on it.
Thank you so much for this explanation. Was very useful since I was struggling between gigabyte aorus master and Asus e gaming. Going for the real S tier 😉! Btw this kind of vid is a great way of talking about hardware and comparing all at once.
The tier list should have also considered the price point of each motherboard. Some are almost double the price of others. I am talking about the A and S tier motherboards.
Excellent video. One of the very few youtubers who point out the lane sharing with the B650E-E. I have the motherboard. Unfortunately, where I reside, the B650E Aorus Master is not available. Also, I wanted a change since I come from a Z390 Aorus Master, and wanted to give ASUS a shot. Kinda regret it a little bit, not because the motherboard is lacking in features, but because it's very buggy. I wonder if the Aorus Master has things sorted out better in that regard. Either way, I do believe the Aorus Master is superior from a hardware standpoint. Also, I kinda miss the ESS Sabre DAC on it. Edit: I just realized that the Aorus Master is 150$ more expensive. I guess that's a big factor to consider. I would not pay over 500 bucks for it. $350 (the cost of the B650E-E) is already expensive as it is.
Strix e-e wins it for me because of UEFI. I have Gigabyte b650 board on my hands now and boy is it inconsistent. From 1 UEFI version to another some options appear, some start missing, Gigabyte engineers keep creating new menues, submenues and folders and put setting there as they wish. Also this board does not feature Memory Power down mode option in the 4 latest versions, and without it I get artifacts on the screen with any kind of memory OC, including simply enabling EXPO. At least it boots fast, I'll give it that.
@@jnjnqy Memory is Kingston Fury KF560C40BBK2-32. 2 sticks. I also get the same issue with green Hynix m-die sticks. They come at 4800 default, if I do any timing tuning I start getting artifacts on the screen. 2 sticks.
I have 3 strix 650e-f with 7900x grate for me , has 3 usb C big deal about m.2 u can use ssd they about same speed and I get ton of usb and other perks , and both gen 5 plus ddr5 6400
Did you try all of tht MB? No, so how you gonna be decide which is which. Its not right to decide just looking of the motherboard component and decide. You shuold use it and then decide. Especialy how Asus Rpg Stirx B650E-F is tier D? Because of sharing? What about quality? What about chipset? What about heat temp? What about power?
Both Tier S Mainboards you mentioned have intels i225 lan chipset and many users have disconnects and other problems. I would not buy a board with this chip. Even rev3 still has that problems. For me as a gamer and streamer, thats an absolute no go...
Idk how you rated the 2 nearly identical strix boards on opposite ends…especially when the main argument was price and the e-e costs $50 more. Overly harsh as someone else said
I saw the b650e-f on newegg open box for like $170 about a week ago. I almost jumped on it, buuut i just spent like $800 upgrading my am4 rig. If i had seen that same deal a couple weeks earlier I would have seriously considered making the leap to am5. $300? Yeah i dunno about that. But $170? Hell yes.
Is the 650e-f really so much better than the 650e-e for the e-e to be D tier and the e-f to be S or A tier? I think one advantage of the e-e is that the graphics slot doesnt ever share lanes with the m.2 ports. Although, that board does have 3 m.2 while the e-f has 4 m.2, so i suppose its a wash. But either way comparing the boards side by side i dont really see why the e-f is considered a much better deal at $50 more.
This is not a tier list, but a value tier list. Strix-f (d) strix-(s) bro to Big different rating, this is stupid, for most people, they get what they need in F
You don't really do any research. Besides gigabyte is the worst company to buy. Their stuff breaks all the time and they won't give you warranty. It must be avoided at all cost.
b 650e-e ist the best one here it ha s support for 2 m.2 gen 5 slots an alot more . Dont listen to this guy his wrong gigabyte ist so cheaply build its embarasing
Bro gigabyte is sht !!!!! All of my friends who have gigabyte motherboard pr graphics card have problems after 1 year.... Just fk that sht... Me to i have buy gtx 760 from gigabyte after 2 years dead... First and last time i buy gigabyte
No wonder you don't have more subscribers. Your video offered nothing more than a rundown of what you could read in the manual of the motherboards. And your Asus ROG descriptions sounded nothing more than hate from someone who thinks its cool to dislike ROG. "Wah wah no third M.2 at lightning fast if I put a card in." So what, it's not a fucking X670 is it?
Overly harsh on the B650E-F. The criticism is quite specific to using the 4x PCIe slot AND the third M.2 - I'm not sure who would need to do this as a third SSD would likely be a large capacity, cheap 2.5 only for storage.
It's very common for B spec boards to have resource sharing, it's the compromise of spending less for a B instead of the Z with more PCIe lanes.
Deal at microcenter right now has that board. Asus is kind of iffy with problems recently and I was going to get x670e steel legend. But it's a killer deal.
@@shalifi7774 Yes - I picked up that deal and have been running it for a couple months. Has been 100% fine so far.
Also the B650E-E he rated S tier which is just a little bit better then this board. I’m not taking his advice.
@@maxpayne044 you didn't even watch the whole video.
@@maxpayne044 a 300$ board without debug code should be an automatic no go, man
The asrock b650E PG riptide wifi should have been B tier because this motherboard has PCIe 5.0 support for the primary 16x graphics slot and the one M.2 slot but the usb connectivity is a bit limited
So it does have pci 5.0 support for primary graphics slot? Like, how did this guy think it does not have it then?
@@stephan1284 this video is full of bullshit
@@stephan1284 he didn't say it didn't have 5.0 support he said it did not have full 5.0 support i.e 16 lanes instead of 24 lanes. Not that it matters not even the 4090 requires a gen 5 PCIE lol.
The B650E PG Riptide does have a Gen5 PCIex16 in the first slot. Their block diagram is wrong, it says Gen4 in it. Anyway great video! :3
Yeah, I had based my info off the block diagram. But it makes sense that it should be Gen 5 since B650E by definition means graphics and storage offer Gen 5.
You dont even bother to fix your mistake on the Asrock riptide... thumb down
These comparison videos are priceless. Fantastic info. Before finding these videos, it took me 3 days to make a decision on my system build and two of those days I spent on the boards. Wish I found these videos earlier. Luckily I went with the GB so I picked the right one for my use case at least.
Wow, he shit on the Asus ROG Strix B650E-F for resource sharing and and being expensive and then proceeded to rank boards much higher that did the same thing and were much more expensive.
Yeah. Low effort content based on narrow, arbitrary ranking criteria and minimal research
The only problem with the B650E AORUS Master is that it doesn't exist anymore. It has a VRM issue and was discontinued
Are you sure it was discontinued? Where’s the evidence, I want to buy this motherboard but I’m unsure because of the negative reviews
You can still buy it
@@zenithchan1646 Depends on your luck from what I know, might be lack of QC, Some people have issues with this board, but some not. So Yeah. But if that's happened you can RMA them.
Riptide is cheapest gen 5 PCIE and M2 slot, wifi 6. I went for it this month, hoping to serve me well for next generations of gpus :D
b650e aorus master 449$
b650e-e 349$
at least at bestbuy, and the price of gigabite one could go higher depending on marketplace, so, in terms of price, i'd say for sure - go for b650e-e asus
Asus Rog B650E-F here is at a discount price here in Portugal for 229 december 4th 2023. nice pricing and i do agree with u 290 for this board is a big nono, but 229 is alot more reasonable.
ASRock B650E PG Riptide in C?
It's currently the cheapest B650E motherboard that is well equipped. Others B650E mobos are like 50-100$ more expensive and don't really offer that much more.
After researching the last couple months, I ended up ordering the ASRock B650E Taichi. Waiting for it to be be delivered, and I'll start my build soon. I agree with your pros/cons on it. I liked it had the thunderbolt 4 built in and that there were no shared lanes with the primary GPU pcie slot. Wish it wasn't EATX, probably one of my cons for that board.
The S tier Gigabyte also makes a lot of sense for the features and design choices as you pointed out.
Heads up, if you plan on using a cooler that does not make use of the stock AM5 backplate, the MLCCs behind the cpu socket prevent some third-party back plates to work.
I actually came here to watch your review of the ASRock B650E PG Riptide Wifi, which you say doesn't have a Gen5 PCIe GPU slot. The ASrock homepage tells me it does. Who am i supposed to believe ?
PCIE 5 is only on the x16 slot. the x4 slot is only PCIE Gen 3 so that technically doesn't follow the B650E specification of 24x PCIE5 lanes.
I think asus b650e-e is best balanced board, it's only one which will give you not shared x16 and x4 pcie (eg. for capture card), with 3 free not shared m.2... and one shared m.2 gen5 and one shared pcie5 x8 slot.
Sure, but paying extra because it’s Asus in not right.
@@techluvin7691 both, taichi and gigabyte aourus master are more expensive than b650e-e from asus
@@techluvin7691 not sure what you mean actually. Gigabyte increased the msrp for B650E Aorus Master to $449, so its actually more expensive than the Asus b650e-e
Your analysis is on point with every manufacturer except ASRock. In your last video you stated x670e Pro RS doesn't come with wifi which it does and you knocked it down a peg for it. This video you said B650e PG Riptide is missing pcie 5.0 in the first slot and it does have it, you also knocked it into c tier because of it.
You are correct that the B650E PG Riptide does have Gen 5 in the top slot. However, ASRock's block diagram labels it as Gen 4. So they haven't documented it properly in the manual. I had to look at other pages in the manual to see it list Gen 5 for the x16 slot. As a B650E board, it should include Gen 5 for both the graphics and storage as by definition.
@@GameTechReviews and the x670 Pro RS 🤔🤨?lol. Sorry just wanted you to be on point with your research as did I for weeks on straight trying to decide which one to purchase with 7800x3d. I narrowed it down to Asus ROG Strix b650e-e for the lowest end possible and MSI x670e carbon wifi for balls to the wall.
Leaning towards MSI just because they have a special feature for the 7800x3d that boosts it's performance but wondering if I would be able to achieve the same results with Asus b650e-e board?
@@arielis78 I have seen the MSI special sauce marketing for 10% performance boost.
As they are very secretive about what they did to come to the extra 10% performance boost.
My guess is they simply did the external clock generator trick to boost the MHz for the CPU.
I recommend you to watch the SkatterBencher video here on YT where he shows his +10.71% performance boost settings.
@@N0N0111 Yes, I have seen scatterbenchers video on boosting the 7800x3d with asynchronous clock generator. Problem is b650e-e doesn't have it and I'm not that tech savvy expert overclocker to do such a thing on the Asus RS x670e-e board. MSI makes it easy for me to achieve that 10-12% boost on all their 600 series motherboards. That is why I narrowed down to either Asus b650e-e or MSI X670e Carbon wifi(if I want to unlock the full potential of 7800x3d).
@@arielis78 "MSI makes it easy for me to achieve that 10-12% boost"
> Won't that damage the CPU overtime due to high voltage? Many Ryzen 7000 CPUs have burnt out for that.
This is a very poor video coz B650E-F doesn't really deserve a D for the reasons said in the video.
Not everyone's a content creator who will use all m.2 slots and a capture card at the same time. Sure it's okay to be aware of this but to deserve the worst ranking over it seems overly harsh.
It doesn't seem like any proper testing went into this video but the user just read item descriptions over at amazon and compared through that, so he doesn't know reliability of boards among other things that will actually matter in real world scenario. For example, the Riptide ranked at C in this video has high thermals.
The B650E Riptide ran its VRM at 61C with a 7950x in Hardware Unboxed's video. Not sure what you mean by high thermals.
Not to mention if you are producing that much content, you are running a server with 10-20GbE links or have an x870e...or...both.
Got the b650e-f open box from Microcenter for $120. Main factor was $180+ off and Pcie 5 for gpu & m.2. Would definitely not pay retail, but for $120, was a steal.
Nice. Same reason I’m even considering b650 boards…. Microcenter has some of them for $100 and $120. No brainer
120!!!! Class SS.
i got rog strix B650E-F for 226 USD. how would you rate the rankings if this price was available at the time of the review?
The x670e steel legend also has a pcie 3x16 second slot. The only differences between the b650e and x670e is a few more high speed usb slots, one extra pcie 3x1, two more sata slots and a fourth m.2 4x4 slot. Honestly if you’re just a pc gamer and aren’t using your pc for production or content creation, you don’t need the extra slots on the x670e
You missed the fact that both can do 6400-6600mt/s if your cpu is strong enough…..
i recently discovered your videos and I really appreciate all the info you pack into your videos, they're a great supplement for people to use on top of their own research. I actually went with the Taichi board because it seemed to be the best fit and could be had for under $400 (and I wanted to do something other than ASUS this time around.) Unfortunately the MLCCs behind the socket had a larger footprint that prevented an EK waterblock's backplate to fit so I ended up ponying up for an X670E Aorus Master based partly on your X670E breakdown video.
So, in the Netherlands right now, the Aorus Master is almost as expensive as the Taichi. Would you still rank the Aorus higher for those prices?
Personally I don't know why you'd want to use 4 M.2 slots (honestly, I don't see why I'd use 2, especially since the primary one is faster than the other slots), and I don't actually think there's a whole lot of people using extra PCI slots at all, unless they're content creators maybe? Only thing I ever used on for was a soundblaster card, and those went the way of the dodo.
I came here specifically when researching the ASRock Riptide... but the information on here and in the comments seems to go against whats in the manual? It's clearly written in the manual and on the block diagram that BOTH the PCIe x16 slot and one of the m.2 x4 slots are both Gen5?
what do you think in late 2024. b650e aorus master or the b650e aorus pro ? pro has 6 lanes pcb. but dont know what this means. the pro costs 333 dollar and the master cost 388 in my country. which one would be more future proof?
Gigabyte did increased the B650E Aorus Master's msrp to $449. So in my opinion Asus B650E is a better value.
Just the video that I needed. But you should add an errata about the Riptide; I think that makes a huge difference.
great breakdown, thanks!
finnaly youtube brought me to a review i was looking for over a week now
good video man. nicely done. great recap. I went with the Asus B650e-e gaming board. Right now the Aorus Master is not available. Sub earned. going to be following what other content you put out.
How do you like your Asus B650E-E? I'm thinking of getting one...
Got the Taichi lite $280 for a solid board with a post code. I’ll update when I get everything installed
That's an excellent choice.
I got Ryzen 9 7900X3D and I wanna ask you if this: MSI X670E Gaming Plus WiFi gonna be good motherboard for that CPU? Cost me $244 US
Where would you place the Gigabyte Aorus Ultra B650I in this list?
Waiting for the B850E Aorus Master to house my upcoming 9800X3D + 5090 for gaming.
Can you make a B650 Motherboard Tier list too? I would like to see your recommendations
That Asrock Steel Legend is $199 on Newegg. I'd still keep it at a B tier. The B550 had a post code. The rear i/o is lacking imo compared to the x670e. I think you nailed it when you said that this was an upsale for the X670e. I still might get it at $199 though. Cant beat it at that price.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts
What if i get these board and want to upgrade to zen 6 in the future are they enough?
Will you do a B650 ranking? Can't wait to find out where the B650 Aorus Pro AX and B650M Aorus Elite AX would be. However, the high-pitch noise of gigabyte AM5 boards is annoying.
I'm considering it. It will take longer to do because there are a lot of B650 boards.
How affect less lanes of gen 5 in the asrock riptide?
Which one has socket A, VGA slots and room to expand to 512mb DDR2
In a very general sense, how does the B650 Aorus Elite AX compare to the B650E Aorus master? Thanks for the video/info.
The Aorus Elite doesn't have the x16 lanes of Gen 5 to the primary PCIE slot. Other than that it can do most of the same features.
Aorus Master B650E doesn't exist, it's discontinued. I have a money but I will never buy anything for over MSRP, be it a Motherboard or a car. It's only available from scumbag scalpers at the moment, and people are saying it was discontinued due to issues. I agree on paper it look3ed the best by far. I am tearing my hair out trying to decide on a motherboard. I was thinking Asus Strix E-E but then thats melting 7800X3Ds apparently... what to do?
What do you mean it's discontinued? I just ordered it, because I am returning back my ASUS b650E-E of the melting problems, and shitty ASUS support.
EDIT: I have just read on Reddit that others are returning their Aorus Master boards... thinking now if I should cancel order aswell... wtf.... what board to get then..
Taichi looks better cause it's more reliable than gigabyte and have better bios
ASRock is the best for AM5 now
does any of the current GPUs utilize Gen 5 PCIE? say like the 4080 or 7800XT? trying to see if Gen 5 is worth it.
It's not worth it lol PCIE_4 is not going to be an issue for the next gen graphic cards
Gen5 pcie is literally a waste of money.
After doing some independent research, it also came down to the Auros Master and the Asus B650E-E for me. One of my considerations was that I needed an optical out for my speaker setup. In the end went with the Asus since I had good experience with their past motherboards and bios.
Hi! How is it going with the Asus MOBO? I've read that it comes with lots of issues. I'm considering the same board but now I'm in doubt
What kind of issues? I’m considering too
@@Leaa321654 issues were mostly affecting ryzen x3d cpus. It should be resolved now with the latest firmware. Haven't had any problems with mine with 7700x
@@TN8PT problems with the I225-V Intel Lan 2.5 GB chip. The I225-V was plagued by many network connection problems that led to connectivity loss and performance deterioration. The issues could only be fixed at the hardware level, so Intel eventually released the I225-V2 controller. I wonder if the Asus, who was mentioned a lot with this problem, has this fix. Buying a PCI-E network card is a possibility but a strange one if you buy an expensive board that is not working LAN out of the box. Installing windows becomes also a problem because Windows ask for a wifi of lan connection during setup and the LAN was not found during setup.
i know this video is a couple months old but should i go with the asus rog strix b650E-E or the AsRock X670E PG Lightning. The PG is actually 30 cheaper i have a wifi card and x670E seems better overall eventho the quality of the asus board might be better i need help.
If you need the 2nd chipset then the X670E is the way to go.
@@GameTechReviews i just heard the lanes for 2 of the m2 slots are weird. 1 only has 2x and one 3x another option was the tuf gaming x670e plus but thats lowest on your list idk. Also i dont really know if i need a E board at all dont know for what i need pcie 5.0 right now but i kinda dont want to upgrade the mainboard again when i upgrade cpu in a couple years
Nvm tuff is pretty high its a diffrent one tho. Well i think i will just get it
Bad review, B650E PG Riptide wifi supports PCIe 5.0 on graphics & one m2, both connected directly to CPU, also he didnt mention VRM phases in video, which is very important
For 7800x3d better option is Asus X670E Prime gaming or B650E - E Rog strix? Or maybe something else?
Rog Strix is better build quality (allegedly). Also fancy looking design. Rog Strix is the “top of the line” for asus.
Some people are already complaining for the slow SATA on ROG STRIX B650E-E. Asus don't really mention ASM1061 anywhere in the spec 😁(cheaters), this is not acceptable. It seem that Asus provided 4 slow SATA ports instead of 2 fast ones, really disappointing from my point of view, I still use 2 SSD SATA drives and don't like the fact that they will go on slower speeds than my 8 years old Intel pc. It seem that that Asus decided to put two ASM1061 controllers. I was hoping that if you have two drives they should go at the maximum speed, and Asus did some kind of a switch, but seems no, at least for now. This is manufacturer's doing, deliberately, not nice.
Will the b650e e vrm be capable of running top end am5 cpus in future generations?
Yes
Now both of Gigabyte b650 boards I have here have coil whine. B650E AORUS Master and DS3H both have bad coil whine, especially DS3H which gives a dog whistle sound. Aorus master has this sound that somewhat resembles an HDD, but quiter. Still too loud for comfortable use. I will return both these boards. PCIe layout is not everything. BIOS and overall experience are very important.
can't agree more. I've returned 2 v1.0 B650M Aorus Pro AX (date code 2238 and 2239) boards, and replaced them with a B650(NO M here) Aorus Pro AX v1.1 (date code 2312）, and finally has a acceptable coil whine noise level while keeping the SPDIF interface.
B650E Aorus Master has a QC issue where it will crash on AVX loads and if you have a 7600x you wont even know it has the bug until you get a higher core CPU, If you want to gamble with it then get it from a reputable retailer
I got the rog b650ef from microcenter with 80 off my cpu and a free kit of gskill flare 32gb 6000mhz ram. Throw in the 7900x and it was 600 dollars for the 300 dollar board, 450 dollar chip, and 100 dollar ram.
b650e-e for the win. absolutely
Asus boards are melting 7800X3Ds apparently. Not sure if its a BIOS issue, user error or what but apparently its happened to several people. Waiting on a Gamers Nexus take on it.
if you want x16 for your graphic card and you do, you loose two m.2 on aourus master, that is not acceptable
Thank you so much for this explanation. Was very useful since I was struggling between gigabyte aorus master and Asus e gaming. Going for the real S tier 😉! Btw this kind of vid is a great way of talking about hardware and comparing all at once.
Thanks, ended up getting the Asus ROG Strix B650E-E for 340€, i'm good for the next 5 years lol
Can you tell me if you had to flash your BIOS before your first post? I'm thinking of getting this board....
@@batman.darthmaul no
@@whitezzpt Any trouble with your internet going out or dropping?
@@batman.darthmaul Never dropped, pretty stable
@@whitezzpt Thanks. Some users with this board reported ethernet issues. Thanks for getting back to me.
The tier list should have also considered the price point of each motherboard. Some are almost double the price of others. I am talking about the A and S tier motherboards.
Prices as of today:
GIGABYTE B650E AORUS MASTER $663.80
ASUS ROG STRIX B650E-E $334.99
Paid 212 for the asus b650e-f, I'm totally fine with it so far.
Excellent video. One of the very few youtubers who point out the lane sharing with the B650E-E. I have the motherboard. Unfortunately, where I reside, the B650E Aorus Master is not available. Also, I wanted a change since I come from a Z390 Aorus Master, and wanted to give ASUS a shot. Kinda regret it a little bit, not because the motherboard is lacking in features, but because it's very buggy. I wonder if the Aorus Master has things sorted out better in that regard. Either way, I do believe the Aorus Master is superior from a hardware standpoint. Also, I kinda miss the ESS Sabre DAC on it.
Edit: I just realized that the Aorus Master is 150$ more expensive. I guess that's a big factor to consider. I would not pay over 500 bucks for it. $350 (the cost of the B650E-E) is already expensive as it is.
Strix e-e wins it for me because of UEFI. I have Gigabyte b650 board on my hands now and boy is it inconsistent. From 1 UEFI version to another some options appear, some start missing, Gigabyte engineers keep creating new menues, submenues and folders and put setting there as they wish. Also this board does not feature Memory Power down mode option in the 4 latest versions, and without it I get artifacts on the screen with any kind of memory OC, including simply enabling EXPO. At least it boots fast, I'll give it that.
are you running 4 dimms? or running at EXPO 6400?
@@jnjnqy Memory is Kingston Fury KF560C40BBK2-32. 2 sticks.
I also get the same issue with green Hynix m-die sticks. They come at 4800 default, if I do any timing tuning I start getting artifacts on the screen. 2 sticks.
I have 3 strix 650e-f with 7900x grate for me , has 3 usb C big deal about m.2 u can use ssd they about same speed and I get ton of usb and other perks , and both gen 5 plus ddr5 6400
Thank you for doing the Lord's work!
What about the ASRock B650 Taichi Lite? What’s your thoughts on that motherboard?
Great job with this comparison.
SteelLegend for me, please :) Best value.
Yeah the Steel Legend is what I ended up going with as well.
You can get X670E over the Gigabyte Master.... for cheaper.. Steel LEgend is 299
Did you try all of tht MB? No, so how you gonna be decide which is which. Its not right to decide just looking of the motherboard component and decide. You shuold use it and then decide. Especialy how Asus Rpg Stirx B650E-F is tier D? Because of sharing? What about quality? What about chipset? What about heat temp? What about power?
Both Tier S Mainboards you mentioned have intels i225 lan chipset and many users have disconnects and other problems. I would not buy a board with this chip. Even rev3 still has that problems. For me as a gamer and streamer, thats an absolute no go...
Thank you 🫡
Idk how you rated the 2 nearly identical strix boards on opposite ends…especially when the main argument was price and the e-e costs $50 more. Overly harsh as someone else said
I believe this tierlist in reverse
I saw the b650e-f on newegg open box for like $170 about a week ago. I almost jumped on it, buuut i just spent like $800 upgrading my am4 rig. If i had seen that same deal a couple weeks earlier I would have seriously considered making the leap to am5. $300? Yeah i dunno about that. But $170? Hell yes.
Is the 650e-f really so much better than the 650e-e for the e-e to be D tier and the e-f to be S or A tier? I think one advantage of the e-e is that the graphics slot doesnt ever share lanes with the m.2 ports. Although, that board does have 3 m.2 while the e-f has 4 m.2, so i suppose its a wash. But either way comparing the boards side by side i dont really see why the e-f is considered a much better deal at $50 more.
Gigabyte literally doesn't have b650e at this point XD.
Where is msi?
This is not a tier list, but a value tier list. Strix-f (d) strix-(s) bro to Big different rating, this is stupid, for most people, they get what they need in F
This is false ASRock B650E PG Riptide Wifi support PCI-E gen5 GPU slot.
The x4 slot is Gen 3. B650E is supposed to have 24 lanes of Gen 5 so it isn't following the full spec despite the name.
B650E-F is 220 for me
Bruh i went through 2 asus rog strix b650e-f gaming wifi in 2 days both with shitty ether ports not working that rank is deserved and should be an f
What porta are u talking about? Lan port? That's not Asus problem it's the nuc from.intel which has been a big problem for many years.
You don't really do any research. Besides gigabyte is the worst company to buy. Their stuff breaks all the time and they won't give you warranty. It must be avoided at all cost.
b 650e-e ist the best one here it ha s support for 2 m.2 gen 5 slots an alot more . Dont listen to this guy his wrong gigabyte ist so cheaply build its embarasing
I no longer trust Asus quality after have used their AMD boards.
Bro gigabyte is sht !!!!! All of my friends who have gigabyte motherboard pr graphics card have problems after 1 year.... Just fk that sht... Me to i have buy gtx 760 from gigabyte after 2 years dead... First and last time i buy gigabyte
dude is out of his mind.
Tier list should be base on performance. Dude did a tier list base on price and options, lol. Lazy.
Lol
what a fail tier list , you begin with a mistake and u keep going.. thumbs down
Asus use better components thus expensive
No wonder you don't have more subscribers.
Your video offered nothing more than a rundown of what you could read in the manual of the motherboards.
And your Asus ROG descriptions sounded nothing more than hate from someone who thinks its cool to dislike ROG. "Wah wah no third M.2 at lightning fast if I put a card in."
So what, it's not a fucking X670 is it?
gigabyte is trash
Completely bullshit tier list!!!!
this list sucks
S tier. Taichi doesn’t actually have Thunderbolt despite them saying so.
It does have Thunderbolt as it includes the JHL8540.