Carl does a great job explaining all of the angles of this interior decision. I never thought interiors could be so super interesting, but Carl makes them so!
I had real leather in like.. 8 cars in a row.. I now have a 'vegan leather' car.. it's like 5 times better than any leather I ever had from some of the most top end car makers lol. How? I'm over 5 years and nearly 90k miles into this vehicle, the seats look BRAND F'N NEW still. NO stains.. NO creases.. NOTHING.. on a very light tan/cream color seat. Not a SINGLE mar. Not ONE. EVERY leather seat I ever had, within 2 years and maybe 50k miles.. ALL had creases.. some would have cracking.. some would have tearing.. some would have peeling.. some would have slight staining or color fading occasionally.. there's no way I consider that a superior product. I would PAY more to have the fake leather again, assuming it's as good as the one I have.
I agree! And it has been said that the quality of vinyl today is NOT as good as the vinyl available 30 years ago... Why not improve vinyl again to the level where it can last the life of a vehicle (not just last through the warranty period)?
@@robertbigler7743 Idk man.. I remember the vinyl when I was kid.. it felt like slippery or plasticy crap. The 'vegan' ones I have today.. which is just some vinyl with who knows what else added in.. feel way closer to a leather seat than anything I felt 30 years ago. And they wear like they may well last the life of the vehicle and still look brand new. I swear mine look like they did day one, 5 years and 90k miles later of my ass in the seat. I think they're far superior to the vinyl I remember.. which is why I always bought leather seats until I bought a car where it wasn't even an option.. and now I'm glad they didn't give me the option, because I would have picked an inferior product out of an old, outdated bias I had in my head. And my memory of EVERY leather seat I had is, by the time I sold or traded in the car.. the leather looked like it was 10 years older than it really was. Not a fan of cracks and creases all over my seats.. and every leather seat I had, had at LEAST many creases. Not these 'vegan' seats. Not one crease.
About the leather quality and rejection rate, the old Rolls-Royce process of choosing leathers was very labour intensive and exacting , and the cows from what I heard were not allowed near barbies in the farms, also the wood veneers were kept in storage for years ,in case the owner damaged the car and the replacement veneers had to match, this from what I saw in a video about the process of building a RR.
all true. However, some countries like Switzerland ban barbed wire, so it is relatively easy but expensive to source flawless white leather in the current market.
Another great video Munro team. Carl did a wonderful job. GM is their own worst enemy. GM stands for General Mess and has for decades. They make their products lines to complex with too many options, too many models, etc. Would love to see GM pick GMC Trucks or Chevy Trucks, not making both. The trims and options on most of their vehicle lines is too much. I read they are considering a Corvette brand and it just blows my mind. They do not need another brand, they need to learn how to keep things simple. Fewer options means they can focus on better quality and keeping costs down, yet they never do. Over the years we seen brands get killed off, but never enough. The ending the use of the Geo, Saturn, Pontiac, and Oldsmobile brand divisions was great from a business stand point. It is crazy to think GM has had over 40 brands over their history. Much of that was driven by companies they acquired, but GM spawned new brands and seems like their current company culture still favors such things even if it is not truly good business sense. As far as leather for Lyriq, I guess you can say Cadillac buyers want that, but some of these faux leathers are impressive and if there was no real leather option, I doubt that would be the deal breaker for a buyer. What seems to be making people cancel their Lyriq orders is the wait time and that first batch randomly shutting down. This is why GM should not be worried about adding more options, but instead working on production tech/speed and quality. If they could nail that down, it will do much more for the GM bottom line than adding leather to their electric SUV.
I wonder why we cannot find any textil materials instead of (vegan or not) leather seats? Textils are so much nicer, not hot and sticky in summer or cold in winter. I installed in my Tesla some neoprene cover seats (Wet Okole), the additional layer is like memory foam. So much nicer than the original Tesla vegan seat covers, I always get compliments for those covers.
My Kia EV6 black leather seats just don’t smell the typical leather but are very nice to feel and touch. Let’s see after 8 years or so if vegan leather is really replacing the real stuff that needs some additional care however up to my 54 years experience.
Wow, always learn something new watching Munro Live... When I sold VW's I hated it when other sales people would refer to vinyl as leather... if a customer called it leather I would tell them if it was real or not... generally referring to vinyl as the best "German Engineered Cowhide"
I enjoy this type of information. These are things that consumers don't think about. It is nice to have at least some awareness of such things; gives us more understanding into why an OEM may or may not make certain decisions. Thanks!
I find it hard to believe that GM didn't anticipate having a leather option when designing the car. Keep in mind the lyric was not meant to go on sale as early as it did, and to get it out the door they made major limitations in terms of available options for the 23 model year. Basically a call was probably made to all suppliers to see who was ready first. The synthetic material won
To GM what the owner sits on( leather) is more important than what the vehicle Sits On - good bones and chassis and architecture and battery system- (Ultium is just Marketing Hype), not to mention Software.
Great video which should be mandatory watching for every product marketing dept to get a grasp on the ramifications of product changes on cost, manufacturing, materials planning and supplier relationships. This pertains to all hardware products well beyond just the automotive industry.
Carl, when talking about leather, could you highlight how small the "leather seating surface" of most "leather interiors" is? Also, are ANY of the big 3 Not contracting seat leather out?
Leather is a waste product from meat production and therefore has a positive co2 impact. Just force tanners to go back to vegetable tanning and everything is great.
I would use a CNC cutter and have the machine take a photo of the hide find the imperfections then work out how to cut it! Leather is better for the planet. Millions of tons of hides are being dumped because people want to use oil based vinyl. All to think they are hurting a cow that has already been killed!
The shorter shoulder edge of the seats were all shorter on the inside arm (so right side on the drivers side front and back, left side passengers). So design feature.
Cadillac using real leater is mostly a luxury differentiator, to justify higher price. Porsche even cover the full dash, for an extra eight thousand dollars !!! But the real public need affordable EV and don't really care about leater. EV range and efficiency is a more a key factor deal maker.
I’d like a video on the gloss black or piano trim design on cars I’ve seen a lot lately. Is it really a cost cutting decision due to not having to texturize the material? Perhaps style driven?
Nice job Carl! Let’s just call it what it is… Vegan/ Fossil Fuel derived, or Leather/ Natural and organic. That’s the choice. Both are good in their own ways, but different too. Lots of marketing to sell both IMO.
The Cadillac Lyriq has a ton of options. The new price ranges from 58k to 80k, and some of the specs are still not clear. I was just invited to build mine today, and it was so confusing. Most of the options that came standard when I ordered the 2023 version last year are now paid for. Legacy auto and their beaurocracy.
GM wanted to get the Lyriq as quick as possible so limited the options to almost nothing. Now that they got a lot of the bugs out of the manufacturing, software, etc. now they can offer some options - of course complicating it more...
Fascinating. I'm sure they'll sell as many as they can make regardless, but that sucks for the supplier if they weren't aware of the change. Do they operate with contracts that the supplier could hold them to in such a case?
The other point is that a real leather material from animals could fluctuate much more over those years do to animal supply, costs of raising them, and animal health issues. Whereas a synthetic material cost probably would not fluctuate in the same way or as easily.
Isn't there also a big difference between full grain leather and "genuine" leather? The genuine leather is going to be similar to vinyl as far as waste and consistency. I personally would only pay for full grain leather.
In addition vegan materials are often chosen now due to environmental costs which is the major reason why we are transitioning to evs in the first place so using real leather is not looked upon as highly anymore. That is also a major reason why Tesla went away completely from real leather due to customers and the public pressuring them. The steering wheel was the last thing to change finally in the 3 and y. Our 2018 model 3 is all vegan but it still had the leather steering wheel at that time when it was built. I think they changed in 2020?
When push comes to shove, GM does not care what hoops their vendors have to go through. As long as they are under budget and meet JIT schedules, and conform to QS 9000 Standards. JIT: Just in Time. QS9000 GM’s flavor of ISO 9000 a quality system.
All of these car manufacturers need to realize that all buyers of electric vehicles are Not tree-huggers. It's probably less than 5% of Tesla owners that don't eat steak or wear leather shoes. I live in Florida, and the glass roof with no retractable shade plus the non-perforated, non-cooled "vegan" seats in a Tesla make it uncomfortable to sit in. Yes, you can get white seats, but you Still end up with a sweaty back and underside. I have a vehicle with uncooled black leather seats, I never sweat in them because the natural material breathes.
Ok, but the relationship between GM and their seat T1/T2 suppliers extends across several car programs. Both parties have negotiation leverage. BTW, it is very highly unlikely Cadillac sells 50,000 units of this car in a year. They managed to sell only 1,940 units in Q1 2023 🤦♀
*Carl, you missed a huge part about whether people prefer leather or not, and that's how comfortable are the different materials when people are making out in the back or front seat?* *I have one daughter who was the product of some backseat lovemaking, while my other two daughters were from the comfort of our king-size bed.* 🙃🥰
I can not tell the difference between real leather and final. I have always owned luxury vehicles even a few exotics. Porsche is even very difficult to tell where leather stops and leatherette(vinyl) begins
Carl keeps saying that Cadillac sold only 122 vehicles, but that was sales in the USA. In China, they sold a couple thousand. A Cadillac executive.says that they want to keep the quality of their cars as their number one priority, so this helps explain the switch to leather from the "leatherette" offered last year.
Vegan leather is like a "carbon fiber" decal, fake. Either use the real material or go another way. I have no problem with textile seats, in fact I often prefer those, but fake leather no way.
I don't think traditional Cadillac customers in the US want an EV, but they do want leather. Anything other than that will not be widely and immediately accepted. These are typically older buyers that have grown up with GM and moved from other GM brands. Change is not welcome.
Real leather has been around for thousands of years. Luxury cars always use them, so no doubt Lyriq's switch is a good idea. You can always be vegan and drive a Tesla with zero luxury/real leather.
By the way, great job from Mary for GM to build 122 cars to compete with Tesla? Even Gruenheide makes some 2‘000 cars per week. And Rolls-Royce about 6‘000 cars per year. Now after some test vehicles for VIP they already change the game? That is the best joke I ever heard in automotiv from a so called mass producer!😂🤪🦖
If it brings in more sales, then they almost have to do it. They tried the "get woke go broke" route, and now they are coming back to their customer base.
I was sold on the "nothing is simple, nothing is just anything.." way of thinking 7:31 until a certain someone got elected bloody president of a certain country. Since then, I think we perhaps overthink things that ought to be treated as inconsequential.
Instead of "vegan leather", which I guess means the skin of herbivores or vegans, why not use good old fashioned Naugahydes? Naugas have been genetically engineering for decades now, their skins are as good as any other leather.
GM built more then a couple hundred Lyrics! They just didn't deliver them because they wanted to address some quality issues before delivering to customers. If the fake leather is anything like what they are offering in the rv industry, it is garbage and definitely not worth 10 cents to me!
I roll as a vegetarian. BUT, as meat consumption results in the inevitable byproduct of hides, I think it important to take the nose to tail approach if we're going to continue with livestock farming. Meat consumption isn't going to disappear anytime soon, so I personally feel the use of a natural product, wherever possible, is a far better choice than simply landfilling the hides only to end up producing the highly polluting greenhouse gas, methane, as they rot down. To me, as an ethical consumer, wherever possible, use of real leather is the more moral option for those that can afford to do so. I do realise that the processing of hides isn't without its own environmental impacts; but this is also true of wind turbine, solar panel, EV etc production. Better shouldn't be the enemy of perfection.
Why? My experience with one Vegan option I've owned for the last 5 years, is FAR superior to ever leather I've had from Audi, Merc, Caddy and Infiniti. It's not even comparable. The amount of defects in every leather seat I could see by the time I sold back those cars is insane.. the amount of defects I have on these 'vegan' (bullshit terminology, but whatever) seats is 0. 0 defects in almost 90k miles and 5 years of my ass in that seat. Not a crease.. not a mar.. not a scuff.. not a tear.. the seams don't stretch or anything.. not a damn thing.. they literally look like they could be day one brand new seats. It's f'n amazing to me every time I wipe them down.. nothing stains.. nothing scuffs them.. I am not easy on them.. they are an off white cream color.. if they were leather, they would look like shit by now. I won't be going back to leather personally. These things are genius. And they feel great.. if you didn't tell me they weren't real leather on day one, I'd barely question it. Yeah.. it's a little different texture when you're really paying attention.. but not in a particularly bad way.. not like old shitty vinyl seats. These feel very nice and textural.. you don't get the whiff of leather.. or that feel of all the imperfections in it.. but.. after 5 years of using them, you seriously couldn't drag me back to a real leather option if I could pick a fake leather as good as what I currently have.
This is a sad decision and I personally was looking for a vehical and when I opened the door to a hybrid and saw real leather, I shut the door . Went over to the owner of the dealership and made the comment. Who ever made the executive decision to put real leather in a modern let's say environmentally friendly vehical has just lost my business. Was rediqulous in this day in age. Yes we know vegan leather has no so great products in it. But come on where is the material science and recycled materials. Geeze.
Carl does a great job explaining all of the angles of this interior decision. I never thought interiors could be so super interesting, but Carl makes them so!
Always love the way Carl clearly explains his topics of interest.
Once again Carl reveals dozens of detail about automobile interiors that I never heard of before, but in a completely understandable way.
You are incredible Carl! It’s amazing how you can take an incredibly complex decision and make it understandable to me.
GM can't find their ass with both hands.
Great explanations about tooling, contracts and implementation of a new color change in seats.
I had real leather in like.. 8 cars in a row.. I now have a 'vegan leather' car.. it's like 5 times better than any leather I ever had from some of the most top end car makers lol. How? I'm over 5 years and nearly 90k miles into this vehicle, the seats look BRAND F'N NEW still. NO stains.. NO creases.. NOTHING.. on a very light tan/cream color seat. Not a SINGLE mar. Not ONE. EVERY leather seat I ever had, within 2 years and maybe 50k miles.. ALL had creases.. some would have cracking.. some would have tearing.. some would have peeling.. some would have slight staining or color fading occasionally.. there's no way I consider that a superior product. I would PAY more to have the fake leather again, assuming it's as good as the one I have.
I agree! And it has been said that the quality of vinyl today is NOT as good as the vinyl available 30 years ago... Why not improve vinyl again to the level where it can last the life of a vehicle (not just last through the warranty period)?
@@robertbigler7743 Idk man.. I remember the vinyl when I was kid.. it felt like slippery or plasticy crap. The 'vegan' ones I have today.. which is just some vinyl with who knows what else added in.. feel way closer to a leather seat than anything I felt 30 years ago. And they wear like they may well last the life of the vehicle and still look brand new. I swear mine look like they did day one, 5 years and 90k miles later of my ass in the seat. I think they're far superior to the vinyl I remember.. which is why I always bought leather seats until I bought a car where it wasn't even an option.. and now I'm glad they didn't give me the option, because I would have picked an inferior product out of an old, outdated bias I had in my head. And my memory of EVERY leather seat I had is, by the time I sold or traded in the car.. the leather looked like it was 10 years older than it really was. Not a fan of cracks and creases all over my seats.. and every leather seat I had, had at LEAST many creases. Not these 'vegan' seats. Not one crease.
Thanks for promoting cruelty-free interiors.
Exactly my experience. I always had to put seat covers over my leather seats.
@@richardnedbalek1968 You're very welcome... Hey, I'm gonna order the big sirloin steak, rare... Are you gonna get the filet of daisy?
About the leather quality and rejection rate, the old Rolls-Royce process of choosing leathers was very labour intensive and exacting , and the cows from what I heard were not allowed near barbies in the farms, also the wood veneers were kept in storage for years ,in case the owner damaged the car and the replacement veneers had to match, this from what I saw in a video about the process of building a RR.
all true. However, some countries like Switzerland ban barbed wire, so it is relatively easy but expensive to source flawless white leather in the current market.
Rolls-Royce is the biggest marketing balloon of bull that only BOSE looks up to. Complete junk. Buy a period correct Mercedes-Benz.
Another great video Munro team. Carl did a wonderful job.
GM is their own worst enemy. GM stands for General Mess and has for decades. They make their products lines to complex with too many options, too many models, etc. Would love to see GM pick GMC Trucks or Chevy Trucks, not making both. The trims and options on most of their vehicle lines is too much. I read they are considering a Corvette brand and it just blows my mind. They do not need another brand, they need to learn how to keep things simple. Fewer options means they can focus on better quality and keeping costs down, yet they never do. Over the years we seen brands get killed off, but never enough. The ending the use of the Geo, Saturn, Pontiac, and Oldsmobile brand divisions was great from a business stand point. It is crazy to think GM has had over 40 brands over their history. Much of that was driven by companies they acquired, but GM spawned new brands and seems like their current company culture still favors such things even if it is not truly good business sense.
As far as leather for Lyriq, I guess you can say Cadillac buyers want that, but some of these faux leathers are impressive and if there was no real leather option, I doubt that would be the deal breaker for a buyer. What seems to be making people cancel their Lyriq orders is the wait time and that first batch randomly shutting down. This is why GM should not be worried about adding more options, but instead working on production tech/speed and quality. If they could nail that down, it will do much more for the GM bottom line than adding leather to their electric SUV.
I wonder why we cannot find any textil materials instead of (vegan or not) leather seats?
Textils are so much nicer, not hot and sticky in summer or cold in winter.
I installed in my Tesla some neoprene cover seats (Wet Okole), the additional layer is like memory foam.
So much nicer than the original Tesla vegan seat covers, I always get compliments for those covers.
My Kia EV6 black leather seats just don’t smell the typical leather but are very nice to feel and touch. Let’s see after 8 years or so if vegan leather is really replacing the real stuff that needs some additional care however up to my 54 years experience.
Carl is the man! Talk about an engineer that can relay to us common folk, he is always easy to follow 👌🏼
Wow, always learn something new watching Munro Live... When I sold VW's I hated it when other sales people would refer to vinyl as leather... if a customer called it leather I would tell them if it was real or not... generally referring to vinyl as the best "German Engineered Cowhide"
Very interesting vid and the delivery was like a pro. 🥇
Thanks 👍
Well done 👍🏻
Thank you!
The line "leather comes in the shape of a cow" always gets me :-D
I enjoy this type of information. These are things that consumers don't think about. It is nice to have at least some awareness of such things; gives us more understanding into why an OEM may or may not make certain decisions. Thanks!
I find it hard to believe that GM didn't anticipate having a leather option when designing the car. Keep in mind the lyric was not meant to go on sale as early as it did, and to get it out the door they made major limitations in terms of available options for the 23 model year. Basically a call was probably made to all suppliers to see who was ready first. The synthetic material won
To GM what the owner sits on( leather) is more important than what the vehicle Sits On - good bones and chassis and architecture and battery system- (Ultium is just Marketing Hype), not to mention Software.
Great video which should be mandatory watching for every product marketing dept to get a grasp on the ramifications of product changes on cost, manufacturing, materials planning and supplier relationships. This pertains to all hardware products well beyond just the automotive industry.
Carl is the only guy who is seen alone in his videos.
Carl reading the chat
"I ain't scared of you motha f^ckers" --
I found this very interesting!
love the MUSIC !!! :) :) :)
the client's desire is the law ;)
Great insight! Also.. what a backasswards move by Cadillac
I've had several cars with leather seats over the years. None of them held up well and I'm way more careful than I should have to be.
Love Carl ❤
Carl, when talking about leather, could you highlight how small the "leather seating surface" of most "leather interiors" is? Also, are ANY of the big 3 Not contracting seat leather out?
well done! i enjoy it
Give me a break, real leather in a quality car is the best way to go.
Leather is a waste product from meat production and therefore has a positive co2 impact. Just force tanners to go back to vegetable tanning and everything is great.
Carl, amazing job once again. On average, what's break down between interior material selection? (Cloth, Vegan, Leather)
I would use a CNC cutter and have the machine take a photo of the hide find the imperfections then work out how to cut it! Leather is better for the planet. Millions of tons of hides are being dumped because people want to use oil based vinyl. All to think they are hurting a cow that has already been killed!
Do they have to change the padding to compensate for different stretching?
Carl
Thank you!
You're welcome!
The shorter shoulder edge of the seats were all shorter on the inside arm (so right side on the drivers side front and back, left side passengers). So design feature.
very interesting, I would have never thought about what really goes into such a change.
Their customer base wants leather! They are rich, set in their ways!
I really wish luxury car companies would offer a premium cloth option like Toyota century wool or Porsche pasha
Cadillac using real leater is mostly a luxury differentiator, to justify higher price.
Porsche even cover the full dash, for an extra eight thousand dollars !!!
But the real public need affordable EV and don't really care about leater.
EV range and efficiency is a more a key factor deal maker.
I’d like a video on the gloss black or piano trim design on cars I’ve seen a lot lately. Is it really a cost cutting decision due to not having to texturize the material? Perhaps style driven?
Too short. We like you too much for such a short video. Great video though again Carl
Nice job Carl! Let’s just call it what it is… Vegan/ Fossil Fuel derived, or Leather/ Natural and organic. That’s the choice. Both are good in their own ways, but different too. Lots of marketing to sell both IMO.
Cadillac appeals to an older consumer base that's probably used to old fashioned leather too...just like Buick
Nice
I like whatever lasts longer. Plastic wins.
The Cadillac Lyriq has a ton of options. The new price ranges from 58k to 80k, and some of the specs are still not clear. I was just invited to build mine today, and it was so confusing. Most of the options that came standard when I ordered the 2023 version last year are now paid for. Legacy auto and their beaurocracy.
GM wanted to get the Lyriq as quick as possible so limited the options to almost nothing. Now that they got a lot of the bugs out of the manufacturing, software, etc. now they can offer some options - of course complicating it more...
They would not have to make these decisions if they hadn't killed-off all the Naugas 50 years ago! Naugahyde was great!
Yet another amazing video Carl! You didn't even need any editing. BTW, I'd choose leather for sure.
Fascinating. I'm sure they'll sell as many as they can make regardless, but that sucks for the supplier if they weren't aware of the change. Do they operate with contracts that the supplier could hold them to in such a case?
Is there a huge difference in feel between real leather and the vegan version?
The other point is that a real leather material from animals could fluctuate much more over those years do to animal supply, costs of raising them, and animal health issues. Whereas a synthetic material cost probably would not fluctuate in the same way or as easily.
Isn't there also a big difference between full grain leather and "genuine" leather? The genuine leather is going to be similar to vinyl as far as waste and consistency. I personally would only pay for full grain leather.
In addition vegan materials are often chosen now due to environmental costs which is the major reason why we are transitioning to evs in the first place so using real leather is not looked upon as highly anymore. That is also a major reason why Tesla went away completely from real leather due to customers and the public pressuring them. The steering wheel was the last thing to change finally in the 3 and y. Our 2018 model 3 is all vegan but it still had the leather steering wheel at that time when it was built. I think they changed in 2020?
Corporations love using any emotional justifications to make more profit.
Excellent points. Please see my anti-leather rant. In this case, we cannot tell GM, “You led.”
Any petro chemicals in 'vegan leather'?
When push comes to shove, GM does not care what hoops their vendors have to go through. As long as they are under budget and meet JIT schedules, and conform to QS 9000 Standards. JIT: Just in Time. QS9000 GM’s flavor of ISO 9000 a quality system.
Fun Fact…GM has sold close to 3k Lyrics is China.
All of these car manufacturers need to realize that all buyers of electric vehicles are Not tree-huggers. It's probably less than 5% of Tesla owners that don't eat steak or wear leather shoes. I live in Florida, and the glass roof with no retractable shade plus the non-perforated, non-cooled "vegan" seats in a Tesla make it uncomfortable to sit in. Yes, you can get white seats, but you Still end up with a sweaty back and underside. I have a vehicle with uncooled black leather seats, I never sweat in them because the natural material breathes.
Ok, but the relationship between GM and their seat T1/T2 suppliers extends across several car programs. Both parties have negotiation leverage. BTW, it is very highly unlikely Cadillac sells 50,000 units of this car in a year. They managed to sell only 1,940 units in Q1 2023 🤦♀
The vinyl and leather supplier needs to be one company.
Then the OEM would be at the mercy of that one company.
*Carl, you missed a huge part about whether people prefer leather or not, and that's how comfortable are the different materials when people are making out in the back or front seat?* *I have one daughter who was the product of some backseat lovemaking, while my other two daughters were from the comfort of our king-size bed.* 🙃🥰
It doesn't matter in the context of the video.
I can not tell the difference between real leather and final. I have always owned luxury vehicles even a few exotics. Porsche is even very difficult to tell where leather stops and leatherette(vinyl) begins
Patina of leather is nice after years of
Vegan leather is vinyl.
Can someone please make real leather for Tesla seats.
Contact some customizer shop
@@WANDERER0070the manufacturer "leather seats" offers real leather upholstery for the Model 3 👍
Edit: and other Teslas, I suppose
Sad. Won’t buy leather. It’s what’s keeping from a Bolt. No leather needed.
Carl keeps saying that Cadillac sold only 122 vehicles, but that was sales in the USA. In China, they sold a couple thousand. A Cadillac executive.says that they want to keep the quality of their cars as their number one priority, so this helps explain the switch to leather from the "leatherette" offered last year.
Vegan leather is like a "carbon fiber" decal, fake. Either use the real material or go another way. I have no problem with textile seats, in fact I often prefer those, but fake leather no way.
Please don't recommend fewer interior colors. :) If all you offer is black, like so many companies today, I'm not buying your vehicle.
I don't think traditional Cadillac customers in the US want an EV, but they do want leather. Anything other than that will not be widely and immediately accepted. These are typically older buyers that have grown up with GM and moved from other GM brands. Change is not welcome.
So, what is vegan leather?
@1:26 'Leather is a natural material and it comes in the shape of a Cow'
Does Vegan leather comes in the shape of a Vegan?
Real leather has been around for thousands of years. Luxury cars always use them, so no doubt Lyriq's switch is a good idea. You can always be vegan and drive a Tesla with zero luxury/real leather.
im still waiting 4 teslas ethics on hemp upholstery
Many companies resist hemp usage almost as if it was regulated
@@ryandoyle4344 yea strange isn't it ? I feel Tesla is the best chance to start the trend
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By the way, great job from Mary for GM to build 122 cars to compete with Tesla? Even Gruenheide makes some 2‘000 cars per week. And Rolls-Royce about 6‘000 cars per year. Now after some test vehicles for VIP they already change the game? That is the best joke I ever heard in automotiv from a so called mass producer!😂🤪🦖
Leather feels nicer and Cadillac buyers want leather, not plastic.
GM doesn't know how to save money thats why they make 200 ev's a year.
According to GRETA cows produce CO2(gas of life btw) so no more cow car for you!
Vegan leather is great, i have always known those vegans are good for something.
If it brings in more sales, then they almost have to do it. They tried the "get woke go broke" route, and now they are coming back to their customer base.
I was sold on the "nothing is simple, nothing is just anything.." way of thinking 7:31 until a certain someone got elected bloody president of a certain country. Since then, I think we perhaps overthink things that ought to be treated as inconsequential.
Great explanation. I think my old Bentley would look a bit strange with vegan leather seats. I'll stick with the real thing.
Instead of "vegan leather", which I guess means the skin of herbivores or vegans, why not use good old fashioned Naugahydes? Naugas have been genetically engineering for decades now, their skins are as good as any other leather.
Being whole-food plant-based, I would much rather have real leather.
Chevy is stupid as usual they are using leather in the bolt, bolt euv!
GM built more then a couple hundred Lyrics! They just didn't deliver them because they wanted to address some quality issues before delivering to customers. If the fake leather is anything like what they are offering in the rv industry, it is garbage and definitely not worth 10 cents to me!
NOTHING in the RV industry is high quality... they only use GARBAGE.
Leather is better and as I am the customer willing to pay the price !!! Vegan 👎🏼
I roll as a vegetarian. BUT, as meat consumption results in the inevitable byproduct of hides, I think it important to take the nose to tail approach if we're going to continue with livestock farming. Meat consumption isn't going to disappear anytime soon, so I personally feel the use of a natural product, wherever possible, is a far better choice than simply landfilling the hides only to end up producing the highly polluting greenhouse gas, methane, as they rot down.
To me, as an ethical consumer, wherever possible, use of real leather is the more moral option for those that can afford to do so. I do realise that the processing of hides isn't without its own environmental impacts; but this is also true of wind turbine, solar panel, EV etc production. Better shouldn't be the enemy of perfection.
Why? My experience with one Vegan option I've owned for the last 5 years, is FAR superior to ever leather I've had from Audi, Merc, Caddy and Infiniti. It's not even comparable. The amount of defects in every leather seat I could see by the time I sold back those cars is insane.. the amount of defects I have on these 'vegan' (bullshit terminology, but whatever) seats is 0. 0 defects in almost 90k miles and 5 years of my ass in that seat. Not a crease.. not a mar.. not a scuff.. not a tear.. the seams don't stretch or anything.. not a damn thing.. they literally look like they could be day one brand new seats. It's f'n amazing to me every time I wipe them down.. nothing stains.. nothing scuffs them.. I am not easy on them.. they are an off white cream color.. if they were leather, they would look like shit by now. I won't be going back to leather personally. These things are genius. And they feel great.. if you didn't tell me they weren't real leather on day one, I'd barely question it. Yeah.. it's a little different texture when you're really paying attention.. but not in a particularly bad way.. not like old shitty vinyl seats. These feel very nice and textural.. you don't get the whiff of leather.. or that feel of all the imperfections in it.. but.. after 5 years of using them, you seriously couldn't drag me back to a real leather option if I could pick a fake leather as good as what I currently have.
This is a sad decision and I personally was looking for a vehical and when I opened the door to a hybrid and saw real leather, I shut the door . Went over to the owner of the dealership and made the comment. Who ever made the executive decision to put real leather in a modern let's say environmentally friendly vehical has just lost my business. Was rediqulous in this day in age. Yes we know vegan leather has no so great products in it. But come on where is the material science and recycled materials. Geeze.