@G Pic He got it FIVE TIMES, all on alternate realities where he wasn't under Janeway's command. Non Sequitur - Lieutenant, 8 months out of academy. Before and After - Lieutenant, senior grade. A 5th season episode (Timeless?) - Commander. Endgame - Captain. Online - Captain.
Janeway acting was on point too, and this is the most emotion Kim displayed in his career, like that time Tuvok got his emotional suppression disabled for a few mins.
"You're willing to risk your rank, your career over this?!" ... After 5 years of being stuck at ensign despite being an examplary bridge ánd ops officer during extremely difficult, non-Starfleet circumstances while your colleagues get promoted left and right? Why not go for the sweet, alien cloogy?
Jef Willemsen Yeah. No pay What is there to stop him from disobeying orders? Demotion. On Voyager that's a joke. The brig? What would that do exactly? The problem with the episode is that some no-fraternization protocol is introduced without any reason(read plot convienience), so it doesn't make any sense.
Honestly, they did not even put a murderer in the Brig for that long a time. They confined him to quarters. I can understand Harry Kims frustration in this case.
If Riker's romantic escapades had been dealt with the way Harry's were, Data would have spent the latter half of TNG in a red shirt, and Riker would have had to call his transporter duplicate "sir".
The one time Harry gets lucky with an alien (something pretty much everyone else has done in the history of Star Trek) and they throw this "no sex" rule at him out of left field.
Bingo. I HATE starfleets bs in this episode. Fascist starfleet wanting to control people. So sickening. My least favorite part of Star Trek ever.....it is truly disgusting.
This scene was shot very well. Rare to get a tracking shot like this from one room, through the bridge to another room. And Janeway's face when Kim raised his voice on the bridge was priceless. *through gritted teeth*IN MY READY ROOM. Great acting from both of them.
On his podcast with Robert McNeil, Garrett said he was really thrown off by the one-shot and got so nervous that he couldn't breathe or remember his lines, and was basically hyperventilating through part of that monologue
There are little subtlety’s that are under-appreciated in Voyager. Harry Kim screams at the captain, in front of the entire bridge crew. Kate Mulgrew’s “in my ready room” combined with her facial expressions had to communicate so much. As Captain Janeway she had every right to drag him right then and there. The fact that she didn’t, despite how he acted, was a very hidden way of communicating that Janeway has a love for Harry Kim. Not so much romantic, but a motherly, protective love toward him. Her child was sick, he was acting up, she probably still had guilt with Kim’s complete longing to go home, and now she was losing him to a relationship she could not approve as both captain and friend. She can control losing her crewman to an accident or catastrophe. Choosing to leave, career and home? Janeway could not protect him from his own choices and agency. All of that performed flawlessly for one, long take. Again, very under-appreciated moments in Voyager.
He's got a point. Despite being a senior officer, Harry was taken for granted, Being an ensign, he should have been promoted to lieutenant before Tom Paris regained his rank.
The senior staff have too many officers and too many LT's. Last time I checked Harry Kim was fresh out of the academy when he first reported to Voyager.
@@attiepollard7847 Let me put it this way: just before going to the Delta Quadrant, Harry was served drinks by a snivelling Ferengi kid. Seven years later, when Harry returned home, he had to call that kid "sir". And the damning thing is that Nog rightly outranked Harry. In seven years, Harry didn't grow, didn't develop, didn't mature. I honestly wouldn't have promoted him either. Even when he got home, Harry wasn't ready to be a lieutenant.
@@Cailus3542 actually Harry was ready to be a lieutenant when he got home. It was just that bad timing when they got stuck in the Delta space he had to stay at his rank
@@bundesautobahn7 nope remember tuvok was still a lieutenant for at least almost 60 years so of course she's going to get the lieutenant commanders ranked because it was time for him to get that rank and last time I checked before this promotion Voyager did not have a lieutenant commander.
+builder396 They are completely different. Harry is the universe's whipping boy while it is Chakotay's job to have bad ideas so Janeway's ideas look better by comparison.
harry should have gotten that bootie call from 7, no emotions or attachments, just letting her know he needs to copulate, and meet him at his quarters at 0700 lol
*In the ST: VOY episode named "The Disease" Kim wanna bang and did bang the luminescent Varro alien woman named Derran Tal, but Kat got the nerve, the gall & the audacity to get mad with him.*
The one thing I hate about this episode is when Janeway and Chakotay are talking. She says that Harry doesnt deserve to speak with her about Tal...That hes an ensin. Im like really??? 6 years in the crazy delta quadrant and he doesnt deserve it?? Hasnt he proved himself enough. That was the one thing I hated about this episode.
1:03 This reminds me of my younger cousin who was bawling his eyes out over getting ditched by some girl and looks up at me and saying "you have no idea how this feels". Me, my sister and my aunt starts laughing our asses off. Young inexperienced people always think they are alone in having experienced love.
What makes me laugh is the way they say "this hurts too much, I'm through with romance" after a break-up. Give them a couple weeks, and they're hooked up with someone else. Romance is like childbirth: you forget the pain very quickly.
@@oddish4352 That was like me saying I'm NEVER gonna get married, and having my grandma laugh at me and say "yeah right". Well, just passed my 30th wedding anniversary. You were right grandma, you were right.
Gonna point out that she was passionately in love with her first fiance who died in a crash with her father. And then there's that issue with her first officer..... so yes she's been in love Harry and yes she's hurt desperately because she lost it.
At the end of this episode, parts of the Varo ship broke off to go as they please. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those pieces wound up getting assimilated by the Borg lol
Depends on who he winds up serving under. If he winds up on the Titan... CAPT. RIKER: "So, Harry, why'd you get a reprimand in your file?" HARRY: "I slept with an alien chick." RIKER: "You're kidding, right?" HARRY: "Nope." RIKER: "Welcome to the Titan, *Lieutenant.*
Awww ensign Kim is in love but have you ever noticed he's also in love with the chain of command but sadly it won't let him on top (most of the time) example....just because I let you sit in my command chair doesn't mean your in charge...... I'm still the BADASS around here ensign
Harry: “That’s something else I want to discuss with you Captain! Five years and I’m still an Ensign!? You could have promoted me with a Field Commission - at least to a full Lieutenant!”
Harry Kim is right, LOVE. A disease❤ I used to feel like all the symptoms; furthermore not being able to sleep,eat,or concentrate on anything but your interest❤
Sometimes I hate how Janeway treats her senior officers. Like how she put Tom Paris in the brig for 30 days and this Harry Kim here. They have proven many times that they are valuable. One time Tom Paris alone get Voyager back from the Kazon when Janeway and the rest got stranded on a planet.
The only time Janeway has been harsh with her officers is when they deliberately disobeyed orders. She HAS to punish them then for not following the chain of command. If she doesn't, then she won't be respected as the leader. She never arbitrarily disciplined officers when she felt like it - they'd always stepped over the line first to warrant punishment.
Did anything ever work on Voyager when they first needed it? Well, except the Warp core ejection system, which seems to be the only time in Starfleet history that it has worked.
Janeway is insanely jealous over Kim, that's why she's stern. Imagine if it were Picard or some guy captain in this situation - you won't see them throw such a hissy fit.
Or Riker. Can you imagine him coming down on an ensign for scoring with an alien woman? Riker would just give Harry a fist bump and say "rock on, ensign."
The part in this i don’t understand, is if you’re in love and it doesn’t work out, why the heck wouldn’t you “take a hypospray” to get rid of those feelings? If one existed, I would take that in a second!
K: Scotty i'm gonna need those phasers... S: Aye captain, I'm working on it. (43 seconds later) S: Phasers banks charged and ready captain ! K: Mr Chekov...
Re: "Tal" aka Musetta Vander.... I still say she's "the cutest mechanic I ever saw." But not until I saw this episode of Voyager could I fill in the voice, the personality, etc. See her as that "cutest of mechanics" here--the first place I ever saw her: ruclips.net/video/kcYIZ-cduvM/видео.html She shows up in that
2:54, Wait, why did Janeway use her combadge when she is on the bridge? I thought she and Chakotay normally press something on the display between the captain's chair and the first officer's chair to operate communications.
They can anwser verbally without tapping the combadge. Perhaps, it was a reflex on Mulgrew's part to tap the combadge or perhaps she was directed that way.
And replaced with who? There are only so many qualified officers on board. Besides, she was extraordinarily self-righteous and violated the Prime Directive and numerous other regulations so much, she's in no position to judge, captain or not. She herself had a romance with an alien in the 5th season's "Counterpoint," Torres had a relationship with an alien in the 3rd season's "Remember," (I know, utterly forgotten episode, irony of ironies), Chakotay in the 4th season's "Unfortgettable" (also more like unrememerable, ironically enough) Tom Paris: in the 1st season "Ex Post Facto, and in season 2 with Kes; Kes herself in "Darkling" with some alien guy on an outpost; even Tuvok became attracted to an alien, Noss in "Gravity." None of them had to go to Sickbay and get a doctor's note and a permission slip from the captain saying they could get some interstellar nookie. None of them were demoted or replaced (to the contrary, Tuvok was promoted and Paris was demoted in "Thirty Days" in the middle of the 5th season and then randomly re-promoted to lt. j.g. at the end of season 6 for no apparent reason. But b/c Kim was the young ensign and the most junior officer, she should call him out for it? I thought by the 24th century, people had an expectation of privacy that they didn't need permission to have sexual relations with someone else. Or is "VGR" "1984?"
The guy is just an ensign there are other qualified officers onboard. Besides the is the captain and her word is law on her ship. I think there are regulations to consult with the doc especially if it's between different species.
But my pt. is that regulation was never mentioned before or since this episode. And her word is only law if it is in alignment with Starfleet regulations and Federation law. She broke both on numerous occasions, starting with the first episode, which makes her "word" a little less than credible. And he was not "just" an ensign; he was a senior bridge officer and department head as well as the night watch commander.
@@sethtubman1229 The regulation is weird but it is the Doctor who mentions that so he could just be overemphasizing a minor regulation that doesn't apply in most cases (or is simply a precaution everyone you mention did at some point offscreen). Janeway's issue was more over ignoring the orders to respect the other species wishes for limited interaction, etc. Kim should have been tossed in the brig, though: disobeyed orders (twice- once in front of the bridge crew), threatened relations with a newly contacted species in the process and abandoned his duty in a way that threatened the ship and crew during the transfer process. Paris was demoted and got tossed into solitary for almost all of the same reasons- and that was with Janeway actually agreeing with his intentions/goal (but not his tactics). Kim should have gotten much, much worse (though, as she notes, Kim being under a potential alien influence biologically was holding her back from doing so).
If Riker had been held to the same standards, he'd have been demoted so far down the Enterprise's totem pole, he'd have spent all his time cleaning toilets.
I think he was justified. He'd been on that ship for 5 years, with no recognition, he'd been the model officer and Janeway didn't even think he had the right to discuss Janeway's decisions, a privilege she thought was deserved by convicted criminal Tom Paris who'd recently violated the prime directive and been demoted to Ensign. Ensign Kim is the only officer on that bridge, with the exception of Tuvok and Janeway, that finished the academy and was still officially in Starfleet, he had earned the right to debate Janeway's decision without needing to shout at her on her own bridge to just get her to listen to him.
Musetta Vander was harrys cutest girlfriend and smartest and coolest. Too bad he got an std. This must have counted as their federqlly mandated STD PSA educational episode
Every Voyager episode: Janeway: Do "thing" that is a simple function of the ship we have used many times! Officer: "Thing" is offline! Nothing EVER works on Voyager when they need it. Such a lazily written show.
"You're willing to risk your rank, your career, over this?"
"WHAT RANK?!?"
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He should've said that.
Mike Van Roy 😂
@Ѕомє Јҵаћ don't forget about captain kirk lol
@G Pic He got it FIVE TIMES, all on alternate realities where he wasn't under Janeway's command.
Non Sequitur - Lieutenant, 8 months out of academy.
Before and After - Lieutenant, senior grade.
A 5th season episode (Timeless?) - Commander.
Endgame - Captain.
Online - Captain.
The director for this episode really knew how to use the Voyager set well.
Janeway acting was on point too, and this is the most emotion Kim displayed in his career, like that time Tuvok got his emotional suppression disabled for a few mins.
Garret is an actor but Harry Kim was Vulcan.
Besides this episode I think timeless Harry Kim in the futute was the best portrayal of harry kim
Agreed. It really gets the scale across.
Janeway "You're willing to risk your rank?"
Kim: "And that's another thing!!!"
"What you going to break me too?
A forth year cadet?"
"You're willing to risk your rank, your career over this?!"
... After 5 years of being stuck at ensign despite being an examplary bridge ánd ops officer during extremely difficult, non-Starfleet circumstances while your colleagues get promoted left and right? Why not go for the sweet, alien cloogy?
Jef Willemsen Yeah. No pay
What is there to stop him from disobeying orders? Demotion. On Voyager that's a joke. The brig? What would that do exactly? The problem with the episode is that some no-fraternization protocol is introduced without any reason(read plot convienience), so it doesn't make any sense.
Honestly, they did not even put a murderer in the Brig for that long a time. They confined him to quarters. I can understand Harry Kims frustration in this case.
Me and my Oboe? I got nuthin but time!
If Riker's romantic escapades had been dealt with the way Harry's were, Data would have spent the latter half of TNG in a red shirt, and Riker would have had to call his transporter duplicate "sir".
@S M I've never heard that one either. But I think I'm gonna start using it! I wonder if the it is a hard G or a soft G?
“You’re willing to risk your rank?”
“I’ve been an ensign for 5 years. What am I risking?”
I love how the first 2 minutes and 8 seconds is one long shot, from the observation lounge to the bridge then to the captain's ready room.
100% agree with you - that was an amazing sequence
The one time Harry gets lucky with an alien (something pretty much everyone else has done in the history of Star Trek) and they throw this "no sex" rule at him out of left field.
Bingo. I HATE starfleets bs in this episode. Fascist starfleet wanting to control people. So sickening. My least favorite part of Star Trek ever.....it is truly disgusting.
This scene was shot very well. Rare to get a tracking shot like this from one room, through the bridge to another room.
And Janeway's face when Kim raised his voice on the bridge was priceless. *through gritted teeth*IN MY READY ROOM. Great acting from both of them.
On his podcast with Robert McNeil, Garrett said he was really thrown off by the one-shot and got so nervous that he couldn't breathe or remember his lines, and was basically hyperventilating through part of that monologue
I wonder what he'd be nervous about.@@JesseColton
@@SR-iy4gg Doing an incredibly long take where you can't make a single mistake. I don't know why I needed to explain that.
Fascist starfleet wanting to control people. So sickening. My least favorite part of Star Trek ever.....
There are little subtlety’s that are under-appreciated in Voyager.
Harry Kim screams at the captain, in front of the entire bridge crew. Kate Mulgrew’s “in my ready room” combined with her facial expressions had to communicate so much.
As Captain Janeway she had every right to drag him right then and there. The fact that she didn’t, despite how he acted, was a very hidden way of communicating that Janeway has a love for Harry Kim. Not so much romantic, but a motherly, protective love toward him.
Her child was sick, he was acting up, she probably still had guilt with Kim’s complete longing to go home, and now she was losing him to a relationship she could not approve as both captain and friend.
She can control losing her crewman to an accident or catastrophe. Choosing to leave, career and home? Janeway could not protect him from his own choices and agency.
All of that performed flawlessly for one, long take.
Again, very under-appreciated moments in Voyager.
It males sense how she feels about Kim. He came to her straight from the academy
it's my personal Top 🎱 scene😌
Fascist starfleet wanting to control people. So sickening. My least favorite part of Star Trek ever.....
He's got a point. Despite being a senior officer, Harry was taken for granted, Being an ensign, he should have been promoted to lieutenant before Tom Paris regained his rank.
The senior staff have too many officers and too many LT's. Last time I checked Harry Kim was fresh out of the academy when he first reported to Voyager.
@@attiepollard7847 Let me put it this way: just before going to the Delta Quadrant, Harry was served drinks by a snivelling Ferengi kid. Seven years later, when Harry returned home, he had to call that kid "sir".
And the damning thing is that Nog rightly outranked Harry. In seven years, Harry didn't grow, didn't develop, didn't mature. I honestly wouldn't have promoted him either. Even when he got home, Harry wasn't ready to be a lieutenant.
@@Cailus3542 actually Harry was ready to be a lieutenant when he got home. It was just that bad timing when they got stuck in the Delta space he had to stay at his rank
@@attiepollard7847Yet Tuvok got promoted to Lieutenant Commander while in the Delta Quadrant. I‘d call it inconsistency by the scriptwriters.
@@bundesautobahn7 nope remember tuvok was still a lieutenant for at least almost 60 years so of course she's going to get the lieutenant commanders ranked because it was time for him to get that rank and last time I checked before this promotion Voyager did not have a lieutenant commander.
I love how Chakotay actually stood up. He already knew it was going to get nasty! XD
+Claire Mitzuki I love how Harry and Chakotay are both so unremarkable that people actually confuse them.
That's nice. builder396
+builder396
They are completely different. Harry is the universe's whipping boy while it is Chakotay's job to have bad ideas so Janeway's ideas look better by comparison.
Schwarzer Ritter Yet they are both pretty unremarkable.
Claire Mitzuki not something to idolise
Rumor has it that Harry was only 2 days away from a promotion then this happened
Janeway is like a mom with a teenager in this scene lol. Love it
It only took Harry to get some booty for him to stand up to Janeway like that. Great episode.
harry should have gotten that bootie call from 7, no emotions or attachments, just letting her know he needs to copulate, and meet him at his quarters at 0700 lol
*In the ST: VOY episode named "The Disease" Kim wanna bang and did bang the luminescent Varro alien woman named Derran Tal, but Kat got the nerve, the gall & the audacity to get mad with him.*
none of you guys appreciate the first 2+ minutes of uncut and great acting.
Starfleet trying to control matters of love/sex makes it unbearable....its disgusting fascism....
The one thing I hate about this episode is when Janeway and Chakotay are talking. She says that Harry doesnt deserve to speak with her about Tal...That hes an ensin. Im like really??? 6 years in the crazy delta quadrant and he doesnt deserve it?? Hasnt he proved himself enough. That was the one thing I hated about this episode.
Yeah that was ridiculous, either that or a SSD one crazy reverse psychology 😏
Starfleet shouldn't be in ANY type of control whe it comes to matters of love of ANY kind d at all. It's fascist and sick....
Tal, the hottest woman in the whole series, maybe even all of Star Trek. You go Harry!
shame Janeway ended it.
+Emm Ess Ahem. Seven of Nine?
Everyone has their preferences. I prefer Tal over Seven. Not sayin I'd kick Seven out of bed for eating cookies though. ;)
He rejected Seven of Nine in favor of what he thought of as the sexiest. He wasn't planning on Janeway interfering.
He should have tried to get that 3 way action goin on.
What career? He's going to be ensign on this ship for the rest of his life, to the best of their knowledge right now.
1:03 This reminds me of my younger cousin who was bawling his eyes out over getting ditched by some girl and looks up at me and saying "you have no idea how this feels". Me, my sister and my aunt starts laughing our asses off. Young inexperienced people always think they are alone in having experienced love.
What makes me laugh is the way they say "this hurts too much, I'm through with romance" after a break-up. Give them a couple weeks, and they're hooked up with someone else. Romance is like childbirth: you forget the pain very quickly.
@@oddish4352 That was like me saying I'm NEVER gonna get married, and having my grandma laugh at me and say "yeah right". Well, just passed my 30th wedding anniversary. You were right grandma, you were right.
@@blockmasterscott I was not so lucky. Romance is like an obscure dad joke... not everyone gets it.
the acting was pretty good. harry kim had stupid episodes but at least here he broke the mold and yelled at the captain on her own bridge
Maybe he should've yelled at her about being a frickin' ensign for 7 years. It wouldn't have helped, but she sure deserved it.
Gonna point out that she was passionately in love with her first fiance who died in a crash with her father. And then there's that issue with her first officer..... so yes she's been in love Harry and yes she's hurt desperately because she lost it.
I thought her fiance was alive and thought she was dead and moved on.
At the end of this episode, parts of the Varo ship broke off to go as they please. I wouldn't be surprised if some of those pieces wound up getting assimilated by the Borg lol
I still can't believe at the end of the episode she didn't remove the reprimand from his record. That could keep him from ever being promoted at all.
Depends on who he winds up serving under. If he winds up on the Titan...
CAPT. RIKER: "So, Harry, why'd you get a reprimand in your file?"
HARRY: "I slept with an alien chick."
RIKER: "You're kidding, right?"
HARRY: "Nope."
RIKER: "Welcome to the Titan, *Lieutenant.*
@@oddish4352 Awesome!
She obviously sees Harry like a son
I’ve thought of this episode as “Kim Gets The Cosmic Clap”
Awww ensign Kim is in love but have you ever noticed he's also in love with the chain of command but sadly it won't let him on top (most of the time) example....just because I let you sit in my command chair doesn't mean your in charge...... I'm still the BADASS around here ensign
Rumor has it that Janeway was going to promote Harry the day they find out about his relationship.
3:51 Yeah right! Your region of space is anything but hostile.
Kazon, Viidians, Krennim, Hirogen, and oh yeah the Borg!
Despite the commentary on this episode, I'd say Voyager and Enterprise were my favorite Star Trek series.
Wat?
Ever heard of a little station called DS9?
@ezekielbrockmann114 We all have. DS9 is good/great, but Voyager is far better imo....
Kirk was affected like this one in "Elaan of Troyius" He just shook it off. Ha.
Yes, because of his feelings for the Enterprise.
Oh yes the Kiss of death. She was a promiscuous sort that one. Still... We got some good Klingon action :P
What do you know, Harry finally got a lock on something!
0:29 - "should I help? ...nah" --Chakotay
I just love how pissed Janeway is threatening Harry that she'll have Tuvok drag him to sickbay lol😅
Poor Harry, he will never get over this...at least not this week.
Harry: “That’s something else I want to discuss with you Captain! Five years and I’m still an Ensign!? You could have promoted me with a Field Commission - at least to a full Lieutenant!”
If I was an officer on the bridge I soup dve opened up the comm to the whole ship like "biiiiiiiiihhh" 👀
Harry Kim is right, LOVE. A disease❤
I used to feel like all the symptoms; furthermore not being able to sleep,eat,or concentrate on anything but your interest❤
Sometimes I hate how Janeway treats her senior officers. Like how she put Tom Paris in the brig for 30 days and this Harry Kim here. They have proven many times that they are valuable. One time Tom Paris alone get Voyager back from the Kazon when Janeway and the rest got stranded on a planet.
The only time Janeway has been harsh with her officers is when they deliberately disobeyed orders. She HAS to punish them then for not following the chain of command. If she doesn't, then she won't be respected as the leader. She never arbitrarily disciplined officers when she felt like it - they'd always stepped over the line first to warrant punishment.
Did anything ever work on Voyager when they first needed it? Well, except the Warp core ejection system, which seems to be the only time in Starfleet history that it has worked.
3:07: Always those Paragon/Renegade decisions!
I love the sound of that first panel explosion 💥 when it first cuts to the view screen... I hope it's as epic on Star Trek discovery
Harry had the captain over a barrel.
She practically put him over the barrel... 18th century navy style.
I'd pay to see that actually.....lol....
Janeway is insanely jealous over Kim, that's why she's stern. Imagine if it were Picard or some guy captain in this situation - you won't see them throw such a hissy fit.
Or Riker. Can you imagine him coming down on an ensign for scoring with an alien woman?
Riker would just give Harry a fist bump and say "rock on, ensign."
from what i've seen of star trek designers need to have add phasers around the docking clamps for emergency release
The part in this i don’t understand, is if you’re in love and it doesn’t work out, why the heck wouldn’t you “take a hypospray” to get rid of those feelings? If one existed, I would take that in a second!
I fell happy for kim beacuse he tapped that
The james t kirk protocol
K: Scotty i'm gonna need those phasers...
S: Aye captain, I'm working on it.
(43 seconds later)
S: Phasers banks charged and ready captain !
K: Mr Chekov...
she nearly put him in the brig perhaps she should have put tom and Harry in different cells
Hate to break this to Harry, but Riker got there ahead of him.
Love is a disease for people like Harry he acted like that alien box was the best thing since warp drive
Re: "Tal" aka Musetta Vander.... I still say she's "the cutest mechanic I ever saw." But not until I saw this episode of Voyager could I fill in the voice, the personality, etc.
See her as that "cutest of mechanics" here--the first place I ever saw her: ruclips.net/video/kcYIZ-cduvM/видео.html She shows up in that
Never understood why Tal didn’t stay with Kim.
Starfleet seems kinda sick when it comes to committed relationships...
2:54, Wait, why did Janeway use her combadge when she is on the bridge? I thought she and Chakotay normally press something on the display between the captain's chair and the first officer's chair to operate communications.
They can anwser verbally without tapping the combadge. Perhaps, it was a reflex on Mulgrew's part to tap the combadge or perhaps she was directed that way.
@@quoniam426 Yeah, maybe.
Is this from season 5 because Janeway was eternity PMSing on season 5 like every episode that season she was mad at something
She should have beamed Kim in to space
Lol glad I'm retired of even trying to find love if ya call it that lol.
"I don't see a little box on my chair!" MISTER KIM! FIND AN AIRLOCK AND DISCIPLINE YOURSELF!
What chair? He stands at his post like Tuvok! Everyone else on the bridge has a chair to sit in.
Resign from starfleet. See if Janeway would bring you back nonetheless or set you on a planet.
3:07 Don't you hate it when live throws you a moral decision?
Did anyone else hear Tom instead of Tal at first or was it just me...
“Rank”
WHAT FUCKING RANK!?!?
ENSIGN FOR 5 YEARS.
He should have been demoted and replaced the moment he raised his voice at Janeway. She went way too easy on Kim.
And replaced with who? There are only so many qualified officers on board. Besides, she was extraordinarily self-righteous and violated the Prime Directive and numerous other regulations so much, she's in no position to judge, captain or not. She herself had a romance with an alien in the 5th season's "Counterpoint," Torres had a relationship with an alien in the 3rd season's "Remember," (I know, utterly forgotten episode, irony of ironies), Chakotay in the 4th season's "Unfortgettable" (also more like unrememerable, ironically enough) Tom Paris: in the 1st season "Ex Post Facto, and in season 2 with Kes; Kes herself in "Darkling" with some alien guy on an outpost; even Tuvok became attracted to an alien, Noss in "Gravity." None of them had to go to Sickbay and get a doctor's note and a permission slip from the captain saying they could get some interstellar nookie. None of them were demoted or replaced (to the contrary, Tuvok was promoted and Paris was demoted in "Thirty Days" in the middle of the 5th season and then randomly re-promoted to lt. j.g. at the end of season 6 for no apparent reason. But b/c Kim was the young ensign and the most junior officer, she should call him out for it? I thought by the 24th century, people had an expectation of privacy that they didn't need permission to have sexual relations with someone else. Or is "VGR" "1984?"
The guy is just an ensign there are other qualified officers onboard. Besides the is the captain and her word is law on her ship. I think there are regulations to consult with the doc especially if it's between different species.
But my pt. is that regulation was never mentioned before or since this episode. And her word is only law if it is in alignment with Starfleet regulations and Federation law. She broke both on numerous occasions, starting with the first episode, which makes her "word" a little less than credible. And he was not "just" an ensign; he was a senior bridge officer and department head as well as the night watch commander.
@@sethtubman1229 The regulation is weird but it is the Doctor who mentions that so he could just be overemphasizing a minor regulation that doesn't apply in most cases (or is simply a precaution everyone you mention did at some point offscreen). Janeway's issue was more over ignoring the orders to respect the other species wishes for limited interaction, etc.
Kim should have been tossed in the brig, though: disobeyed orders (twice- once in front of the bridge crew), threatened relations with a newly contacted species in the process and abandoned his duty in a way that threatened the ship and crew during the transfer process.
Paris was demoted and got tossed into solitary for almost all of the same reasons- and that was with Janeway actually agreeing with his intentions/goal (but not his tactics). Kim should have gotten much, much worse (though, as she notes, Kim being under a potential alien influence biologically was holding her back from doing so).
Demoted to WHAT, exactly?
Can somebody explain what is the use of smoke to the alien vessel; !!
I'm not talking for the explosions. But the "normal" that circulate inside !
He should have been demoted to crewman for the rest of the journey.
If Riker had been held to the same standards, he'd have been demoted so far down the Enterprise's totem pole, he'd have spent all his time cleaning toilets.
I think he was justified. He'd been on that ship for 5 years, with no recognition, he'd been the model officer and Janeway didn't even think he had the right to discuss Janeway's decisions, a privilege she thought was deserved by convicted criminal Tom Paris who'd recently violated the prime directive and been demoted to Ensign. Ensign Kim is the only officer on that bridge, with the exception of Tuvok and Janeway, that finished the academy and was still officially in Starfleet, he had earned the right to debate Janeway's decision without needing to shout at her on her own bridge to just get her to listen to him.
Disagree. Starfleet should not AT ALL be concerned when it come to love/sex. It's fascist....
@@oddish4352Lol, you mean scrubbing our the sewers of the USS Enterprise.
Musetta Vander was harrys cutest girlfriend and smartest and coolest. Too bad he got an std. This must have counted as their federqlly mandated STD PSA educational episode
Show. Season then ep #
Star Trek Voyager. Episode Name the Disease. It's in the description I believe.
This episode really exposed what a terrible actor this dude was.
Every Voyager episode:
Janeway: Do "thing" that is a simple function of the ship we have used many times!
Officer: "Thing" is offline!
Nothing EVER works on Voyager when they need it. Such a lazily written show.
Why is everybody acting like this isn't pure cringe?
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