*I GET THE FEELING this will be a controversial result, so please find attached the DCS mission and relevant mod links, please run the mission yourself and I expect you will get a similar result: Mission File: drive.google.com/file/d/1NOHRPi-6LNnlNoz4lRFqmqArPRJqZIXz/view?usp=sharing F-4 mod: filehorst.de/download.php?file=ewcDBJpz A-4E mod: heclak.github.io/community-a4e-c/ Mirage III mod: filehorst.de/download.php?file=dirhaACh
If I was the Brigadier running this attack this is what i will do: first the group of camberras splitted in two. One north and one south same alttitude like the video. 2nd A-4 and Dagger First low level flying to dificult the detection. They will bomb the early warning radars. 2nd wave Mirage III air to air. Low alttitude the first part and then climb to gain aerial superiority. In the war we recibed mirage 5 from Perú but I think this was after the invasion. A-4Q from ara 25 de mayo can help with A/A too. Shafkirs 2 were recibed with daggers. Use it.
The Argentines wouldn't have had radar-guided missiles. Only heat-seekers since their IAI Daggers didn't have radars being a Mirage V derivative. The British had an advantage in radar for their aircraft and their ships while the Argentines were operating far from their bases and largely without radar direction.
The performance of the A-4 Skyhawk in air-to-air configuration is not too dissimilar to that of the MiG-17 used in Vietnam. Speed was about the same. The A-4 was heavier and could not turn as tightly as the MiG-17, however the A-4 had a more powerful engine. The MiG-17 had much better and larger cannons, but the vast majority didn't have air-to-air missiles.
Wow, the Argies got absolutely crushed! I didn't expect that result at all, figured it would be a bloodbath on both sides but weight of numbers would have the Argies bomb the runway successfully. Newp! The Lead Sleds were wrecking S left and right instead. I don't think this should be controversial, just an interesting 'what if' that had an interesting result. Thanks for another great video, boys!
Oh yay you've done my recommendation! This was great, thanks Cap & the gang! I didn't expect the Brits to do so well, but they did have a lot of advantages. Better missiles, a jet basically designed for precisely this sort of combat (long range, high altitude intercepts and big missiles). Also the jumpcut to a night club and raining men completely took me by surprise, if you can survive it, you're old enough I say
Yes, the English Electric Lightning was an amazing machine, but it was a one-trick pony - it could go very fast and very high to intercept bombers, but then it would be out of fuel and need to RTB. Also, it only carried two missiles . . .
Read once that if UK was attacked during the cold war & there were large first strike losses RAF tornado fighters would use their radars to lead Hawk advanced trainers armed with with sidewinders onto strikes by enemy bombers & escorts. I realise these aircraft are not available in DCs but I'm sure you could rustle up a schenario. Tornado must survive as it's needed , pilots are needed and should survive if they can.
I've seen with my own eyes plans for harriers to evacuate there bases and bulldoze there way into tescos and Morrisons shopping centers and use the carparks as there runways. Was an eye opener lol
You said it all. Aim 9l had greater range and a far superior seeker. The b was outdated by the mid 60’s. 2-3mile range and only locked from the rear. Easily flared off. Phantoms ma y have the turn circle of a small moon, but the radar and power gave total domination.
The Phantom has twice the speed and more than twice the thrust of an A4, ( 17,844lbf for the Phantom vs 8000lbf for the A4), combined with the all aspect ratio of the sidewinders, the result was pretty much accurate. The prefixes in the name of the aircraft, F and A also give it away, the modern equivalent would be the F15 vs the A10 where nobody would think such a one sided result would be weird. The Mirages I did expect to do better, but there the missile let them down and probably the jamming from the Canberra's effected the radars of the Mirages and the A4's as well leaving only the F4's all aspect Sidewinders the only effective missile in that combat.
The performance of the A-4 Skyhawk in air-to-air configuration is not too dissimilar to that of the MiG-17 used in Vietnam, which did shoot down F-4s. Speed was about the same. The A-4 was heavier and could not turn as tightly as the MiG-17, however the A-4 had a more powerful engine. The MiG-17 had much better and larger cannons, but the vast majority didn't have air-to-air missiles.
Awesome work Cap by you and your beautiful boys! I'd really like to see this done with just the 4 permanently stationed Meteor Typhoons and a single Type 45 between the islands armed with its 48 x Aster 30's and 24 x Sea Cepters. Pretty please!
@@grimreapers Ah thank you, I forgot I had seen this before. I guess being that one-sided the Type 45 would make it even more so. Still might be fun to see ;) Thank you!
Back in 1975 the Commander of the R.A.F. (whose name I can't remember right now and I don't feel like looking it up) pushed really hard for the RAF to buy the F-14 to replace their aging Phantoms. Of course it didn't happen because of cost but just imagine for a second if instead of Phantoms the RAF had a squadron of Tomcats available with a full compliment of Phoenix missiles. Even with just four Phoenix and two Sidewinders could the Argentines have stood much of a chance?
Remember, the Phantoms were ex Royal Navy, (cue wonderment about not retiring Ark and Eagle - I'm sure an air wing of Buccaneers, Gannets and Phantoms would have done a pretty good job)
@@GrimReapersNavalOps Most of the British Phantoms were RAF!!! 118 V 48 for the RN. Ark Royal would not have stopped the Argies taking the place because had she been in service back them, she wouldn't have been down their to stop them.
Actually Bullshite, their was a study done in 1975 by the RAF Operational Requirements Branch which did say that the Tomcat would be the ideal option operational wise, but then immediately shot the idea down on Cost! F-15 was shot down on ECCM capability and Cost (F-15A Radar took the GDP of a small country to iron the bugs out).
Perun quote: "There is nothing more expensive than a second rate air force." (Contextual meaning: when a second rate air force battles a first rate air force, the superior technology and skill of the first rate air force overwhelms the second rate air force and all of the enormous resources spent to create and maintain the second rate air force are just a waste.)
Phantoms with AIM4 Limas, the lead sleds were deadly. Maybe the Argies just did not have what it takes. All you can do is lower the skill level on the AI for the Phantoms. Or maybe it was the Spook?
Video idea: we're getting a lot of Russian Naval vessels near uk waters lately. Would be cool to see how the uk would go about sinking them if they turned hostile. In reality it would be the subs, but would be interesting to see if the typhoons/f35s could do it with paveways, as the typhoons over fly them sometimes with the poseidons.
@@totalnerd5674 yeah, and the laser designating would pretty much negate the stealth anyway. In reality, they'd probably be sank by the Astute submarines.
G'day mate. But that is because you are, like us in South Africa, on the other side of the world. Nothing is the same once the dunny flushes the other way
I have a suggestion. Why not re-create Flight Nineteen using the official radio transcripts and see where you end up? You would have to use the correct aircraft to make sure you ditched at the right place! I think that would be fascinating!
I have a scenario I would love to see on the channel! Here’s the situation: Seeking to start a proxy war China has "gifted" 48 Chengdu J10s carrying the PL-15 to Argentina to launch an attack. This supplements 12 A4s that will be used to bomb the radar stations and runway at Mount Pleasant. The Argentines will attack with the goal of air superiority and destroying key infrastructure. The Brits have 2 days notice and have scrambled a squadron of 12 Typhoons to supplement the 4 already at Mount Pleasant. A type 26 frigate on patrol is also able to make it in time and places itself between the islands to provide air defence for the radar stations etc. As it happens the UK carrier group is also on deployment in the US carrying 18-24 F35s, these are to join later from the North and will be at the edge of their operational range to make it in time. Something different I suppose, you could tweak the numbers to make it more fair for either side but I’m not sure how it would play out.
I watched an interview with the legendary Captain Eric 'Winkle' Brown, where they mentioned using Phantoms during the Falklands. Winkle was of the opinion that the Argentinians wouldn't have made it even halfway across to the islands had the RN had them. I guess that if there is anyone who would know, he would.
AIM7F was not a Skyflash equivalent, AIM7M was. The monopulse seeker on the Skyflash combined with the AWG-10 radar used by all British Phantoms give the RAF a lookdown shootdown capability in 1978. With just the AIM7F, fox 1 shots would have been much less effective against very low flying targets (as the ARG air force historically did) owing to clutter and target glint being fairly big problems for the conical scan seeker on the AIM7F.
I always found it surprising that the Royal Navy managed to operate large aircraft like the Phantoms on relatively small carriers like the Ark Royal and Eagle.
I thought the Phantoms would run out of ammo vs that 2nd rate airforce and possibly get swamped by the surviving Argies. Then again, the Phantoms can outrun the A4 no sweat if that was the case(?)
Maybe they jamming each other. . F-4. Still one of best looking USA military aircraft. Made one when I was kid. Tell you a story . I was going to join the army in 1982. Couldn't find a job. They said I was to old. Could even join the army lol😁 . Three weeks later. We were in a war. And funny thing is two of mates and my cousin just left the army before it started. Lucky escape maybe. Love the F-4. Good show . 👍👾
I don't think the Argentine fighters should not have done so badly. My impression is the AIM-7 was doing better than it should. Historically the AIM-7 was very frustrating system to use. Also I don't think the AI flys that well. Just look at how well Simba did in the A-4 vs the AI. I think If you had more real humans flying it would be much different. The Argentine pilots in reality were well trained and had high moral. They did not make many mistakes. The British pilots as well were top pilots too. I don't think AI can represent a fight between two seriously competent and motivated advisories.
The AI was literally set at ace on both sides, as you suggested in your comment. As for AIM-7 performance, there were a lot of misses in the scenario. The Aim-7 itself wasn't terrible per se (for the time) Just had to know how to use it and the maintenance was a nightmare (landings ratttled them and they'd be "off" if not maintained long term) That's not in the scenario so... they work "as advertised." The F-4's just had a lot more and better missiles. An F-4's had 8 BETTER missiles compared to 4 (mostly magics) on the Mirages and compared to the A-4's it's 8 modern missiles vs 2 Aim-9Bs. Yes the Argentinians started off with a 3.5:1 advantage on paper, but the bombers and A-4s (and daggers) weren't a factor at first so the first wave it was 18 v 15 and the missiles made that a bloodbath. The daggers and bombers had no defense... so don't count. The A-4s had just two old sidewinders. So really it was 15 real fighters (Mirages) and 31 ad-hoc "fighters" (A-4s) at best vs 18 of the top of the line fighters at the time. It's not REALLY that shocking once you realize that the Argentinians didn't have the numbers to overcome the inferior equipment. It was also the way the RAF phantoms were able to take them on piecemeal. Once the Mirages were overwhelmed....nothing really had a chance to shoot back effectively. It was a turkey shoot. The only chance the Argentinians had was for the first 15 Mirages to close quickly and get a few kills in the first wave.
@@jimrussell4062 Yea but the AIM-7 still did not work that well in reality. I still think the AI is not even as good as novice human. DCS is just a game not a real simulator.
I think the Argies would have been more successful with A4s coming in low time on target with the Mirages coming in high, and the Canberra sneaking around the end while everyone was busy. The only way this was going to work was if the Brits had too many targets to shoot at.
The problem I see is the configuration of the strike packages. The first wave should have been the daggers to take the radars so that the defenders cant track the rest. These should be followed by all mirage III in CAP mode, followed by the skyhawks escorting the bombers.
The skyhawks in air to air mode made no sense in having them at the back. If they are not good in air to air, they at least would have been useful in distracting the F4s from engaging the bombers.
I don't know much about the Argentine planes but the Phantom's kinematic superiority would make it very difficult to get aspect within range. It's hard to get within two miles, rear aspect, on someone who's much faster than you, so as long as the Phantoms fly smart and keep their energy they're almost untouchable. By contrast, 10 mile all-aspect AIM-9L can kill almost anything. Having said all that, AI is dumb and won't fly tactically. Does DCS AI even take rear-aspect limitations into account? You could try some human-only fights with let's say 2 Phantoms vs 4 Mirage or A-4, see what happens.
There was only one attempted head on engagement with a AIM-9L in the Falklands war by Lt Steve Thomas on 1st May 1982 against a Mirage III. He couldn't get the missiles to lock on.
Was the runway at Stanley long enough for Phantoms to use? I remember reading that it wasn’t long enough to operate Mirages from…..or that could have been after it was bombed. Edit: Raining men, I knew it!
The original runway at Stanley was 6,000 ft long. Take-off performance wasn't an issue in the F-4 Phantom, landing performance was. The British installed arrester gear there for Phantom operations.,
@@chrisk_nfl4120 It could manage it easily, provided either brake chute or arrestor hook worked. Apparently the wheel brakes were't up to stopping the aeroplane quickly.
A carrier group with Phantoms & Buccaneers would have probably won the war a fair bit faster than the Harriers did. However, the decision to retire & transfer them to the RAF is probably one of the deciding factors for the Argentines to invade
Off-topic.. what group was GRC in for 2023 SATAL? Was trying to find videos on DCS World Events RUclips and couldn’t find any streams with y’all in it.
Sadly since baby has arrived I just can not spare any time to cover SATAL this year so I'm not sure. If you want proper detail please contact Bear in the GR Discord, he runs it.
OK... I know this is just a video... But: 1) Mirage III were capable of using 550s and 530s, but not at the same time if they wanted to come back to Argentina. 2) A huge factor here was HUMANS being on only one side. 3) the lógic way to attack Malvinas would have been a couple Daggers doing what they did in this video, so they rest could attack the next day in a surprise attack (like we did, fly low and fast to get closer) 4) IF you want to stage a massive attack (like you did) for entertainement reasosn: A-4s should have been there first, so they could let mirage attack british aircraft while they manouver against A-4s. In this video there was TO MUCH TIME between Mirage and A-4s. PS: correct me if i'm wrong... but it looks really UNREALISTIC to have all 18 F-4s loaded and ready to scrumble 100% of the time... That goes for every video you make... Add more time between the first and the last aircrafts to scrumble.
Now that we had a USAF F4 squadron defend Falklands for the British... (We have to adapt the roleplay to what we got) The next question is, what would a similar Soviet detachment do defending the Falklands for the brits?
A4s are totally out powered by the F4, just can't get into position to use their weapons. F4 acm tactics were honed in Vietnam where US pilots well and truly had to figure out how to deal with smaller more agile though less powerful foes.
Hello older brother , please please please , could you make a video where the all ınterceptors ( mig35-31,F4 , British f3 and others ) try to stop the superiority enemy aircrafts, could you do it please
I doubt it could have, the British wouldn't have been able to attack until it was to late to stop it. When the British submarine attacked the Argentinean battleship the Authority had to go all the way to British government to approve
"Could A UK F-4 Squadron At Falklands Have Stopped The 1982 Argentine Invasion?" - GR Hell yes it could have! GR just proved it ! Those Canberrra Bots lemming train...🤣🤣🤣
Can we do a what if scenario where Argentina gets all its Etendards and Exocets that they ordered , could the squadron sink the carriers and doom the british taskforce?
As cannon fodder to eat up the missiles? That was what I thought would happen here actually...but it makes sense for the Mirages to go in and take out the fighters first (try).
A potential real life scenario. Russia retaliates against US for Ukraine support by launching attack against ALASKA pipeline. US has 2 f22s on patrol, and 12 more F22s tht scramble from Elmendorf AFB, supported by pair of Canadian F18s. Russia has 12 bear bombers, 12 backfires, 24 F31. Russian targets are Elmendorf AFB, and 3 points on pipline, they must destroy 2. US does not know which are targets.
Next up, mount AIM-9xs on P-61 Black Widows, set them out on long-range patrol and see if they can protect the Fauklands. ..or not... it was just a thought.
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*I GET THE FEELING this will be a controversial result, so please find attached the DCS mission and relevant mod links, please run the mission yourself and I expect you will get a similar result:
Mission File: drive.google.com/file/d/1NOHRPi-6LNnlNoz4lRFqmqArPRJqZIXz/view?usp=sharing
F-4 mod: filehorst.de/download.php?file=ewcDBJpz
A-4E mod: heclak.github.io/community-a4e-c/
Mirage III mod: filehorst.de/download.php?file=dirhaACh
Cap Argie here I think the units and how you program it it's fine. Also Sorry for my bad English
I think one of the problems is what tactic are going to use. A head on attack it's not a good tactic against a superior enemy like the british.
If I was the Brigadier running this attack this is what i will do: first the group of camberras splitted in two. One north and one south same alttitude like the video.
2nd A-4 and Dagger First low level flying to dificult the detection. They will bomb the early warning radars.
2nd wave Mirage III air to air. Low alttitude the first part and then climb to gain aerial superiority.
In the war we recibed mirage 5 from Perú but I think this was after the invasion.
A-4Q from ara 25 de mayo can help with A/A too.
Shafkirs 2 were recibed with daggers. Use it.
With all that I think it would be a defeat but man this was not defeat this was humilliation.
The Argentines wouldn't have had radar-guided missiles. Only heat-seekers since their IAI Daggers didn't have radars being a Mirage V derivative. The British had an advantage in radar for their aircraft and their ships while the Argentines were operating far from their bases and largely without radar direction.
I love the plume of black smoke when the WSO shovels extra coal into the engine.
😂😂😂 that’s what WSO are good for
"Rolling coal" in a phighter!! 😄
Phantom was designed to do air to air things, Skyhawks was designed to do CAS things. It was just series of “not meant for it” events.
The performance of the A-4 Skyhawk in air-to-air configuration is not too dissimilar to that of the MiG-17 used in Vietnam.
Speed was about the same. The A-4 was heavier and could not turn as tightly as the MiG-17, however the A-4 had a more powerful engine. The MiG-17 had much better and larger cannons, but the vast majority didn't have air-to-air missiles.
So cool to see those Phantoms doing Phantom stuff.
Smoking ? 😂😂😂
Well said Sir!
@@TheNecromancer6666 They do put Cubans in the engines
Matrix was doing Matrix things too
Wow, the Argies got absolutely crushed! I didn't expect that result at all, figured it would be a bloodbath on both sides but weight of numbers would have the Argies bomb the runway successfully. Newp! The Lead Sleds were wrecking S left and right instead. I don't think this should be controversial, just an interesting 'what if' that had an interesting result. Thanks for another great video, boys!
Oh yay you've done my recommendation! This was great, thanks Cap & the gang!
I didn't expect the Brits to do so well, but they did have a lot of advantages. Better missiles, a jet basically designed for precisely this sort of combat (long range, high altitude intercepts and big missiles).
Also the jumpcut to a night club and raining men completely took me by surprise, if you can survive it, you're old enough I say
I've been watching for years now, waiting to see some make a lightning and do intercept missions.
Sadly STILL not in game.
Yes, the English Electric Lightning was an amazing machine, but it was a one-trick pony - it could go very fast and very high to intercept bombers, but then it would be out of fuel and need to RTB. Also, it only carried two missiles . . .
@nigeldepledge3790 but the who can intercept an sr71 missions really missed the lightning
Congrates at hitting 350,000 Subscribers CAP!!! Thanks for all you guys do!
Read once that if UK was attacked during the cold war & there were large first strike losses RAF tornado fighters would use their radars to lead Hawk advanced trainers armed with with sidewinders onto strikes by enemy bombers & escorts.
I realise these aircraft are not available in DCs but I'm sure you could rustle up a schenario.
Tornado must survive as it's needed , pilots are needed and should survive if they can.
I've seen with my own eyes plans for harriers to evacuate there bases and bulldoze there way into tescos and Morrisons shopping centers and use the carparks as there runways. Was an eye opener lol
DCS does have Panavia Tornado
Really cool scenario, would love to see this
@@dace0326also really cool haha
Yep Hawk's were armed with Aim9 and the Tornado ADV were armed with Skyflash.
You said it all. Aim 9l had greater range and a far superior seeker. The b was outdated by the mid 60’s. 2-3mile range and only locked from the rear. Easily flared off. Phantoms ma y have the turn circle of a small moon, but the radar and power gave total domination.
Yeah the F-4s can really just Boom and Zoom with no consequence here
Oh great, we'll never get rid of Thatcher now.
Thatcher and Ronnie for that matter 😂
Cap, I imagine that these scenarios (within the DCS universe) take a fair bit of time, effort & expertise. Truly appreciated !!
Pleasure
The Phantom has twice the speed and more than twice the thrust of an A4, ( 17,844lbf for the Phantom vs 8000lbf for the A4), combined with the all aspect ratio of the sidewinders, the result was pretty much accurate. The prefixes in the name of the aircraft, F and A also give it away, the modern equivalent would be the F15 vs the A10 where nobody would think such a one sided result would be weird. The Mirages I did expect to do better, but there the missile let them down and probably the jamming from the Canberra's effected the radars of the Mirages and the A4's as well leaving only the F4's all aspect Sidewinders the only effective missile in that combat.
The performance of the A-4 Skyhawk in air-to-air configuration is not too dissimilar to that of the MiG-17 used in Vietnam, which did shoot down F-4s.
Speed was about the same. The A-4 was heavier and could not turn as tightly as the MiG-17, however the A-4 had a more powerful engine. The MiG-17 had much better and larger cannons, but the vast majority didn't have air-to-air missiles.
Love the clip of you guys dancing to "The Weather Girls" in Eden nightclub.
Awesome work Cap by you and your beautiful boys! I'd really like to see this done with just the 4 permanently stationed Meteor Typhoons and a single Type 45 between the islands armed with its 48 x Aster 30's and 24 x Sea Cepters. Pretty please!
I think this may be it: ruclips.net/video/DBh-hSsofHg/видео.html
@@grimreapers Ah thank you, I forgot I had seen this before. I guess being that one-sided the Type 45 would make it even more so. Still might be fun to see ;) Thank you!
The Typhon display on Saturday night was awesome - all that reheat goodness.
Hoping one day you guys will get to an airshow at Luke AFB in Phoenix or Davis-Monthan AFB in Tucson
Back in 1975 the Commander of the R.A.F. (whose name I can't remember right now and I don't feel like looking it up) pushed really hard for the RAF to buy the F-14 to replace their aging Phantoms. Of course it didn't happen because of cost but just imagine for a second if instead of Phantoms the RAF had a squadron of Tomcats available with a full compliment of Phoenix missiles. Even with just four Phoenix and two Sidewinders could the Argentines have stood much of a chance?
The answer is yes, the Argentinian Air Force absolutely would stand a chance because there is no way the British would've based them there
Remember, the Phantoms were ex Royal Navy, (cue wonderment about not retiring Ark and Eagle - I'm sure an air wing of Buccaneers, Gannets and Phantoms would have done a pretty good job)
@@GrimReapersNavalOps Most of the British Phantoms were RAF!!! 118 V 48 for the RN. Ark Royal would not have stopped the Argies taking the place because had she been in service back them, she wouldn't have been down their to stop them.
Actually Bullshite, their was a study done in 1975 by the RAF Operational Requirements Branch which did say that the Tomcat would be the ideal option operational wise, but then immediately shot the idea down on Cost! F-15 was shot down on ECCM capability and Cost (F-15A Radar took the GDP of a small country to iron the bugs out).
@@richardvernon317 I think the fact that the Ark Royal was scrapped gave the Argentinians the idea that we would not retaliate.
Perun quote: "There is nothing more expensive than a second rate air force."
(Contextual meaning: when a second rate air force battles a first rate air force, the superior technology and skill of the first rate air force overwhelms the second rate air force and all of the enormous resources spent to create and maintain the second rate air force are just a waste.)
That Phantom was the first model I made and painted. Fond memories!
Mr Brown (test pilot) did give his opinion on Phantoms and Harriers in the Falklands conflict
love the Falklands episodes. you should do a channel islands episode
I think it just came down to hardware at the end of the day. All-aspect = best aspect!! Damn good flying as always Grim Reapers!!
There is an F4R Phantom parked 100 yds from me now. Almost like having one in the driveway.
Phantoms with AIM4 Limas, the lead sleds were deadly. Maybe the Argies just did not have what it takes. All you can do is lower the skill level on the AI for the Phantoms. Or maybe it was the Spook?
The Canberras (H6) landing at Goose Green was hilarious. 🤣
Video idea: we're getting a lot of Russian Naval vessels near uk waters lately. Would be cool to see how the uk would go about sinking them if they turned hostile. In reality it would be the subs, but would be interesting to see if the typhoons/f35s could do it with paveways, as the typhoons over fly them sometimes with the poseidons.
OK
@@grimreapers good video BTW 👍🏾
The Royal Navy would likely use a submarine. The Russians have no defence against them, except for another submarine.
I dunno if it would be a good idea to send F-35s directly overhead a Russian warship, it is just too risky
@@totalnerd5674 yeah, and the laser designating would pretty much negate the stealth anyway. In reality, they'd probably be sank by the Astute submarines.
Phantoms vs Miracles...
In Australia we used Mirage111 as fighters and F-4 as bombers ( while waiting for F-111.
G'day mate. But that is because you are, like us in South Africa, on the other side of the world. Nothing is the same once the dunny flushes the other way
@@avdmer Aussie in Sth Africa, or just good at my language? 😁
@@SmithandWesson22A Wha ha ha! Nope. I'm 100% boertjie. Good luck with the rugby
Simba vs Matrix head to head is a sight to behold! Good stuff chaps
I have a suggestion. Why not re-create Flight Nineteen using the official radio transcripts and see where you end up? You would have to use the correct aircraft to make sure you ditched at the right place! I think that would be fascinating!
That music in the club explains a lot Cap
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LOL - they possibly went to the ‘incorrect’ night club..question mark?
@@dexlab7539 I don’t know the way Cap talks about sexy humans his sexy boys
Beers and Booms thanks GR and “Hello boys” 🇨🇦 Veteran (Retd)
thx
the fact that some of the lads had probs at the start makes it more realistic.....
Missile wise the AIM-7M could have been a better fit, sky flash was more capable than the -7F model. Other than that, keep up the good work.
"Four Bombers are heading to Stanley...... nah, they're well peppered, their not doing any bombing" - That's the Badger!! 😊
I've been too old for that for a considerable time.
The Mirage is just a pretty plane, the Delta wing just looks "right".
Didn't expect that, Cap! BZ the Brits! (Hope Reaper Baby is doing well after all the sickness stuff earlier this year).
I have a scenario I would love to see on the channel! Here’s the situation: Seeking to start a proxy war China has "gifted" 48 Chengdu J10s carrying the PL-15 to Argentina to launch an attack. This supplements 12 A4s that will be used to bomb the radar stations and runway at Mount Pleasant. The Argentines will attack with the goal of air superiority and destroying key infrastructure. The Brits have 2 days notice and have scrambled a squadron of 12 Typhoons to supplement the 4 already at Mount Pleasant. A type 26 frigate on patrol is also able to make it in time and places itself between the islands to provide air defence for the radar stations etc. As it happens the UK carrier group is also on deployment in the US carrying 18-24 F35s, these are to join later from the North and will be at the edge of their operational range to make it in time. Something different I suppose, you could tweak the numbers to make it more fair for either side but I’m not sure how it would play out.
I watched an interview with the legendary Captain Eric 'Winkle' Brown, where they mentioned using Phantoms during the Falklands. Winkle was of the opinion that the Argentinians wouldn't have made it even halfway across to the islands had the RN had them. I guess that if there is anyone who would know, he would.
Pilot out on the piss with his log book. Standard practice
AIM7F was not a Skyflash equivalent, AIM7M was. The monopulse seeker on the Skyflash combined with the AWG-10 radar used by all British Phantoms give the RAF a lookdown shootdown capability in 1978. With just the AIM7F, fox 1 shots would have been much less effective against very low flying targets (as the ARG air force historically did) owing to clutter and target glint being fairly big problems for the conical scan seeker on the AIM7F.
I always found it surprising that the Royal Navy managed to operate large aircraft like the Phantoms on relatively small carriers like the Ark Royal and Eagle.
Thanks for still doing a video even with a hangover! 😂 Looks like it was worth it though. Good times!
Thank you for the daily awesomeness!!!
I thought the Phantoms would run out of ammo vs that 2nd rate airforce and possibly get swamped by the surviving Argies.
Then again, the Phantoms can outrun the A4 no sweat if that was the case(?)
Maybe they jamming each other. . F-4. Still one of best looking USA military aircraft. Made one when I was kid. Tell you a story .
I was going to join the army in 1982. Couldn't find a job. They said I was to old. Could even join the army lol😁 . Three weeks later. We were in a war. And funny thing is two of mates and my cousin just left the army before it started. Lucky escape maybe. Love the F-4. Good show . 👍👾
Man it must've been real frustrating to the British having all these phancy Phantoms but being totally unusable the second an actual war starts...
I don't think the Argentine fighters should not have done so badly. My impression is the AIM-7 was doing better than it should. Historically the AIM-7 was very frustrating system to use. Also I don't think the AI flys that well. Just look at how well Simba did in the A-4 vs the AI. I think If you had more real humans flying it would be much different. The Argentine pilots in reality were well trained and had high moral. They did not make many mistakes. The British pilots as well were top pilots too. I don't think AI can represent a fight between two seriously competent and motivated advisories.
The BAe Skyflash entered service on Phantoms in 1978 which was a better missile than the AIM-7.
@@duanetapp1280 So Maybe they preformed as well as the AIM-7 did here? Well I guess it don't mater They never got F-4 s down there any way.
The AI was literally set at ace on both sides, as you suggested in your comment. As for AIM-7 performance, there were a lot of misses in the scenario. The Aim-7 itself wasn't terrible per se (for the time) Just had to know how to use it and the maintenance was a nightmare (landings ratttled them and they'd be "off" if not maintained long term) That's not in the scenario so... they work "as advertised." The F-4's just had a lot more and better missiles. An F-4's had 8 BETTER missiles compared to 4 (mostly magics) on the Mirages and compared to the A-4's it's 8 modern missiles vs 2 Aim-9Bs. Yes the Argentinians started off with a 3.5:1 advantage on paper, but the bombers and A-4s (and daggers) weren't a factor at first so the first wave it was 18 v 15 and the missiles made that a bloodbath. The daggers and bombers had no defense... so don't count. The A-4s had just two old sidewinders. So really it was 15 real fighters (Mirages) and 31 ad-hoc "fighters" (A-4s) at best vs 18 of the top of the line fighters at the time. It's not REALLY that shocking once you realize that the Argentinians didn't have the numbers to overcome the inferior equipment. It was also the way the RAF phantoms were able to take them on piecemeal. Once the Mirages were overwhelmed....nothing really had a chance to shoot back effectively. It was a turkey shoot. The only chance the Argentinians had was for the first 15 Mirages to close quickly and get a few kills in the first wave.
@@jimrussell4062 Yea but the AIM-7 still did not work that well in reality. I still think the AI is not even as good as novice human. DCS is just a game not a real simulator.
Dude, you could defend the islands with a few Cessnas because we (Argentina) don't have nothing 😂
I believe Argentina had atleast 36 Mirage Daggers by 1982.
They also had a Minimum of 48 A4B/C Skyhawks.
Phantom Forever❤💪
It wasn't just raining men.....it was raining Argies 😂
Ooo... ouch!
Whatever the fleet, no-one has 100% serviceability and Argentina would be lucky to have half those aircraft available for combat on any given day
It’s a GREAT DAY!!
I think the Argies would have been more successful with A4s coming in low time on target with the Mirages coming in high, and the Canberra sneaking around the end while everyone was busy. The only way this was going to work was if the Brits had too many targets to shoot at.
Intresting fact some Argie Canberra pilots flew for the RAF in WW2
RAF did operate f4 phantoms as of its standard fighter aircraft but sincerely retired for long time
Loving all the Falklands conflict rn
The great Falkland Island turkey shoot.
Love these videos!
The problem I see is the configuration of the strike packages. The first wave should have been the daggers to take the radars so that the defenders cant track the rest. These should be followed by all mirage III in CAP mode, followed by the skyhawks escorting the bombers.
The skyhawks in air to air mode made no sense in having them at the back. If they are not good in air to air, they at least would have been useful in distracting the F4s from engaging the bombers.
Also, the bombers and their skyhawk escorts should not be going as a single group or that would allow the F4 to gang up on them.
same but canberras on the EWR, daggers on the airfield attack, all low level to avoid EWR and aim7Fs
I don't know much about the Argentine planes but the Phantom's kinematic superiority would make it very difficult to get aspect within range. It's hard to get within two miles, rear aspect, on someone who's much faster than you, so as long as the Phantoms fly smart and keep their energy they're almost untouchable. By contrast, 10 mile all-aspect AIM-9L can kill almost anything.
Having said all that, AI is dumb and won't fly tactically. Does DCS AI even take rear-aspect limitations into account? You could try some human-only fights with let's say 2 Phantoms vs 4 Mirage or A-4, see what happens.
There was only one attempted head on engagement with a AIM-9L in the Falklands war by Lt Steve Thomas on 1st May 1982 against a Mirage III. He couldn't get the missiles to lock on.
Matrix was flying in 1982???? :0 that makes him 23+18+20= 61 years old today??????
Good maths there mate 😂
@@dexlab7539 im losing my shit here
The Phantom C and Mirage 3 does have flares right?
Was the runway at Stanley long enough for Phantoms to use? I remember reading that it wasn’t long enough to operate Mirages from…..or that could have been after it was bombed.
Edit: Raining men, I knew it!
I think the Phantoms used it immediately after the Falklands War for QRA before Mount Pleasant was built
@@chrisk_nfl4120 thx, I did not know that.
The original runway at Stanley was 6,000 ft long. Take-off performance wasn't an issue in the F-4 Phantom, landing performance was. The British installed arrester gear there for Phantom operations.,
@@grmatrix6358 Wow the Phantom couldn't land in 6000ft? That's pretty nuts, thanks Matrix!
@@chrisk_nfl4120 It could manage it easily, provided either brake chute or arrestor hook worked. Apparently the wheel brakes were't up to stopping the aeroplane quickly.
A carrier group with Phantoms & Buccaneers would have probably won the war a fair bit faster than the Harriers did. However, the decision to retire & transfer them to the RAF is probably one of the deciding factors for the Argentines to invade
Ark was gone in 1978, Argies invaded in 1982, They invaded because they though the British wouldn't fight for the place.
It was a good night out!
This... But with non Spey F-4s with the internal gun.
Off-topic.. what group was GRC in for 2023 SATAL? Was trying to find videos on DCS World Events RUclips and couldn’t find any streams with y’all in it.
Sadly since baby has arrived I just can not spare any time to cover SATAL this year so I'm not sure. If you want proper detail please contact Bear in the GR Discord, he runs it.
I'm sure it didn't feel like an unopposed landing to the British forces who were there. But I take your larger point, so I won't quibble .
What if scenario : could the Bismarck's 4 Arado 196 A2/A3 if launched, stop the Fairey Swordfish Torpedo Bombers attack from crippling her.
OK... I know this is just a video... But:
1) Mirage III were capable of using 550s and 530s, but not at the same time if they wanted to come back to Argentina.
2) A huge factor here was HUMANS being on only one side.
3) the lógic way to attack Malvinas would have been a couple Daggers doing what they did in this video, so they rest could attack the next day in a surprise attack (like we did, fly low and fast to get closer)
4) IF you want to stage a massive attack (like you did) for entertainement reasosn: A-4s should have been there first, so they could let mirage attack british aircraft while they manouver against A-4s.
In this video there was TO MUCH TIME between Mirage and A-4s.
PS: correct me if i'm wrong... but it looks really UNREALISTIC to have all 18 F-4s loaded and ready to scrumble 100% of the time...
That goes for every video you make... Add more time between the first and the last aircrafts to scrumble.
Now that we had a USAF F4 squadron defend Falklands for the British... (We have to adapt the roleplay to what we got)
The next question is, what would a similar Soviet detachment do defending the Falklands for the brits?
MiG-29s?
Left a Rogan video to be here. Gotta admit, I’d love to party with GR..
GR is the best! 😊😊😊
9:04 which one is simba???
A bunch of guys going to Bournemouth and dancing to the Weather Girls song in a nightclub.....Say no more!
A4s are totally out powered by the F4, just can't get into position to use their weapons. F4 acm tactics were honed in Vietnam where US pilots well and truly had to figure out how to deal with smaller more agile though less powerful foes.
Hello older brother , please please please , could you make a video where the all ınterceptors ( mig35-31,F4 , British f3 and others ) try to stop the superiority enemy aircrafts, could you do it please
the Canberra bomber was so good even the USAF got them....
Just phantom things.
Cap, I humbly propose an alternate defensive strategy. Diesel fighters continuously orbit the islands, laying down protective smoke screen. Argentine forces cannot find the islands, invasion thwarted???
Awesome vid GR crew!!! Rule Britania!
Wow that was cool
Needs more Bournemouth shenaniganery.
I doubt it could have, the British wouldn't have been able to attack until it was to late to stop it. When the British submarine attacked the Argentinean battleship the Authority had to go all the way to British government to approve
9:02 Good old yanks have come out on our side? Bless em their hearts are in the right place at least!
canberra still in service with USA as RB57
Would it possible to estimate fuel at the start, doesn’t make sense for the argies starting with full fuel hundreds of miles from base
"Could A UK F-4 Squadron At Falklands Have Stopped The 1982 Argentine Invasion?" - GR
Hell yes it could have!
GR just proved it !
Those Canberrra Bots lemming train...🤣🤣🤣
Did the F-4's lose their gun pod at some point? It looked like it.
Well spotted, the strange way we set it up confused the AI and they thought it was a fuel tank, and jettisoned them for the dogfights :(
@@grimreapers Thankfully it didn't become a factor :)
"ejects" ....... is raining men ....... lol
Perfect GR Theme Song
Can we do a what if scenario where Argentina gets all its Etendards and Exocets that they ordered , could the squadron sink the carriers and doom the british taskforce?
Cap I wanted to start DCS and I wanted to know what the best fighter was for a beginner. Thanks
F-15C or Su-27 is what I started with.
For all-round capability the F-18 is the one to buy. Does everything, including carrier ops.
Maybe have the A-4 lead the attack next time.
As cannon fodder to eat up the missiles?
That was what I thought would happen here actually...but it makes sense for the Mirages to go in and take out the fighters first (try).
Why did you make the A4 as fighters and the Mirages as bombers? Shouldnt it be around the other way?
#itsrainingArgiemen
We used the Mirage III's as fighters and Mirage V's as bombers. That's how they used them in the real conflict.
Cap "I am too old for clubbing" also cap let's go dancing who can find a club.......gaming!!!!
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A potential real life scenario. Russia retaliates against US for Ukraine support by launching attack against ALASKA pipeline. US has 2 f22s on patrol, and 12 more F22s tht scramble from Elmendorf AFB, supported by pair of Canadian F18s. Russia has 12 bear bombers, 12 backfires, 24 F31. Russian targets are Elmendorf AFB, and 3 points on pipline, they must destroy 2. US does not know which are targets.
Next up, mount AIM-9xs on P-61 Black Widows, set them out on long-range patrol and see if they can protect the Fauklands.
..or not... it was just a thought.