Magnet Mystery Part 2 Up to 4K
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- THANK YOU for all your input. After reading through all the comments we wanted to set up some experiments to provide additional information. I am amazed that we were able to get some good results and seem to be moving in the right direction. Check this out and let's see if this helps us finally answer the question!!!
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I am a bit late to the party, and while I'm not very sure what happened to cause your spots (maybe some kind of chemical burn?) I believe the magnetic field in these spots is decreased because at least three effects:
1.) When you shot the microscope images it looks like the surface of the magnet in the spots has ridges and angles cut into it, while the rest of the surface looks much flatter and homogeneous. Because of this I believe that the spots have more surface area for flux to escape compared to the surrounding magnet, therefore the field would become weaker in this area.
2.) As you said these spots dip below the rest of the surface of the magnet meaning there is less material therefore less dipoles to add to the overall field. (this may only constitute a small portion of the "error")
3.) If the spots are the result of burns, the heat could have perturbed the magnetic moments of the dipoles in the material close to the surface causing them to mis-align with the field resulting in a decrease in the overall field strength.
4.) a wild shot in the dark here, but could a sufficiently large enough magnet with the right shape and orientation have been dropped onto them causing these spots? i.e. if I drop a very strong magnet from enough height (aka accelerate it) onto another very strong magnet, what happens? What if one is a magnetic plate and the magnet accelerated into the plate is one of your one Tesla pyramid setups? (opposing poles towards each other of course)
This may be unlikely, but I have a feeling (unscientific I know) that these effects are caused by tiny micro dropplets of bismuth or similar anti ferro-magnetic material being dropped or deposited on the magnet. Funnily enough, NiO and chromium are also anti ferromagnetic, which just happen to be materials used in those same magnets
Bingo, it does look like Bismuth. I'd want to see if it can be scraped off, and re-test.
And reflecting the Larmor Frequency out of the magnet. Perfect!
Hi SuperMagnetMan, have you ever researched cavitation? It occurs during the collapse in atmosphere after lightning, electricity, or plasma is discharged. It is responsible for pitting in boat propellers when they spin and create air bubbles underwater. There's not a lot known about this phenomenon yet, but I believe with the electricity involved that it may be a possible explanation. Within fluids a phenomenon known as Sonoluminescence occurs when a gas bubble collapses due to cavitation and produces a light emitting object that is referred to as a star in a jar. Under the right conditions they can exist for long periods of time, but they also can exist for an extremely short time. They have many of the same properties of stars, and I could imagine how that may influence magnetic fields. I'm thinking cavitation may be the cause of these discrepancies in the magnetic readings.
My Guess: these are big very strong magnets. If it would attract a steel ball, the energy of the collision would be high enough to create enough heat at the point of impact to overheat that spot over the Currie temperature, destroying the field, and as it cools down the magnetism is locally changed. Since the steel ball is hard, and so is the magnet, it will bounce a few times, each bounce with less energy, hence smaller spots.
This is exactly what I've been thinking sans the heat aspect. Physical shock may be enough to "liberate" the micro-domains at the point of impact and they would want to assume a reverse polarity like the way magnets do when broken where a monolithic magnet becomes alternating smaller magnets. As for it being heat or something more physical I'm not sure. If the material below the nickel was pulverized, that would be a good opportunity for the domains to flip there along with the material involved.
Use a ferrocell and watch magnets approach with like poles and opposing. Note the lines of force and how they bend in both interactions. Place magnets flat so equators are the same plane and do the same. Note the geometry and compare to scientific models of magnetospheres used currently for planets. Without question they are the same. Hard to believe such a simple tool could prove Einstein wrong about gravity. True science learns every day and is not afraid to embrace change. We need more true science!
I know this comment is very late, but I just discovered this great channel.
I know this is a strange observation but here goes....
Looking at the curved pattern on the magnet reminded of the path a energized particle takes in a magnetic field depending on the type and velocity of the particle.
The spots on both magnets are cycloid and regularly increasing/decreasing in diameter. Absolutely not a liquid splash. More likely to be caused by a long exposure to a standing wave or a fast and powerful electromagnetic strike (laser, plasma, transverse field, ..)
this makes sense
Arcing like you did could be introduced by the PLATING PROCESS. Thanks.
Reminds me of crop circle design
Interesting effect, have these magnets had these spots on them from the time you purchased them?
It is very likely that the anomaly is due to some manufacturing process, especially if the square and round magnets came from the same source/supplier. My first thought if I came across something like that would be to contact the supplier and if possible, get them to put you in touch with the manufacturer of the magnets. Could even be some impurities in the material composition which have lower magnetic properties. If you have an access to a low resistance ohm meter, I can suggest doing some spot resistance checks relative to the unmarked side (pole). Place the magnet on a piece of copper foil and attach one probe of your low R ohm meter to it and use the other probe on various spots on the affected pole to see if there are any differences in the conductivity. Just some thoughts. All the best, great videos by the way!
The material that arced to the 3in magnet could have been one that doesn't deposit so much material like copper does, maybe tungsten. Also if the charge/current is negative or positive makes a difference in whether material is deposited or ejected and then fused around the crater rim.
Affected areas have flipped polarity or are now forced poles, South to South or North to North so that the overall magnetic field hold anomalies stationary.
Like others, I am going to put my money on something happening to the uncoated magnet, which over time oxidized inward and eventually outward. It doesn't look like splashing CURRENTLY because of the very different circle size, but a very tiny difference in the size of the original droplets, could result in the much wider, exaggerated oxidation spots we see now, meaning the spots could have grown exponentially compared to the original volume of the contaminant, which was bigger in the spots close together and as the movement accelerated became smaller towards the far apart spots.
Arcs in the plating process would occur in the FLOWING liquid solution, whick might produce the swirling geometric pattern.
Kelly Schlumberger
Plausible
This reminds me of those pioneering experiments that gentlemen scientists (natural philosophers) used to describe in their letters to the Royal Society back in the late eighteenth / early nineteenth century. Or Ben Franklin's notes on his experiments.
Try buffing out the raised areas. The magnet may have been buffed after getting shocked.
I tried polishing it with metal polishing compound. I have to be careful not to reduce the plating very much because it will start peeling off.
I still think that you 3D printed a Halbach Array with the dots on the surface attenuating the readings of Gauss strength in those dotted areas.
actually i changed my mind. here is a test to try... how about throwing a hardened steel ball bearing(pinball sized) at your test magnet. i bet you find similar impact craters as it hits and bounces and gets pulled back. and those hits also focus a fair bit of energy (bang 2 ball berrings together and you can see fire spark off. do it with paper and the paper inbetween and the paper explodes. complete with a whiff of smoke. huge focused impact accellerated by magnitism, i bet you are cratering and hitting the curie point.
Just found your channel. Great videos! Your issue: Since new warehouse stock is not showing issues but only those used/handled, tends to indicate small dings could have caused micro-fragment tears in the material that would explain the reduction of flux field in those areas. At least something to consider that could be tested by purposely, not with electricity but with physical dents made and find out by Gauss readings. Only other idea is acidic person’s hands left residue in spots that etched these areas yet the ding theory seems more plausibly. The best to you finding the answer.
I agree
looks like remnants of some high energy particle skipping across the surface. you can see the pattern in the dot strip decrease in size and gap spacing as the particle looses energy.
It could be little voids in those areas, that might account for the drop in gauss readings?
Did you try changing the direction of the current so you could get electrical erosion instead of deposition? Electrical arc isn't a bad explanation, but it doesn't explain why the spots are where they are. I've seen that this has happened to somebody else's monster magnet, but the damage was around the edge of the pole face and likely due to microfracturing that may simply come with using it for a long time (stress/age). The locations of the spots are the most intriguing thing about them.
Industrial plating baths often use currents in the hundreds or even thousands of amperes. Thanks.
Seems like a hot metal impurity dropped on the magnet. Maybe it’s one of those rare freak cold fusion events.
Love seeing all the ideas. Next week I will test some areas with some 90% nitric acid that I have as well as some sufluric acid and see if either of those cause any such problem. Also, I will take the 2 inch cube and see if I can peel the plating off and see what the magnet condition is without plating on it. I can do a demo of a steel ball, and aluminum ball and a copper ball bouncing on it. I can say that the steel ball does not bounce - it just slams into it.
Aluminium an copper are too soft to be able to concentrate enough energy to a small spot before it deforms. It has to be an elastic impact. Elastic impact has a momentum change Delta p twice of the non elastic. The energy is absorbed for the deformation, less heat is generated. For example if you get two 1kg steel balls and slam them together with s sheet of paper between them the paper at the point of impact would have a burned out hole with a smell of burning paper form the heat. Currie temperature of neodimium magnet is much less than the self ignition temperature of paper.
Can you do stainless steel ( non ferromagnetic), that should bounce enough, even if the eddy currents would slow that down a bit. Maybe a glass marble big enough?
The pattern of the spots reminds me to much of the sound of those annoying elipsoid chatter magnets people sell at tourist destinations. They look like polished hematite eggs. You have two of them, separate them throw them in the air and as they attract and collide they make a very loud, very distinct high pitched chirping sound. That's what these spots remind me.
The only thing I can think of is you're introducing copper with the arc from the copper wire.. magnets also are made with copper when molded and also can contain it in the nickel.... copper and electricity is the only constant I can see between the production process and your arc test.
However unlikely, i would almost certainly check to see if the signature of the energy sum at that frequency, or maybe the energy lost specifically. Would match the energy taken to perform an interaction with radioactive isotopes or indeed muons etc. Making an electron or proton knock itself free from the magnet itself would very likely be capable of disturbing things enough to create a region of weakened field by simply loosing the free electrons in that area due to a radioactive particle interaction event. Something that happens at a quantum and 3D level
Have you tried holding the flat end of something like a drill bit to the magnet and touching the wire to the drill bit? This will cause a spark on the bit but not on the magnet itself. Then see if it leaves the round spots but they will be smooth like your first magnet. Also, the shapes on the first magnet almost appear as if it was a liquid dribbling on the surface. Is there any kind of chemical that could cause this?
Ah a new set of conditions have been given to us. In the first one, in almost pristine condition with only a few blemishes and now adding a beat-up magnet with all different kinds of blemishes with different but similar results...
I want to agree with kelly that maybe that during the nickel plating process magnetic field lines guided the path of electric field lines and concentrated at one of the magent poles in that pattern. The magnet was then polished and no defect would of been noticed. Would it be possible that the over time defects arise from the slight defect or tanglement in the field line surface gradually destabilize the grain structure and demagnetize that area. And could oxygen react differently to thoses areas. Oxidizing it faster or slower? What a fun puzzle. It does kinda remind me of sunspots.
I bet one could do that electricity trick without making marks... 4 sure... The real question is > did you make these marks ? or som1 else >> My other contribution is: what happens if you heat up something small like a screwdriver and touch it to the magnet. red hot. quick touch
What you have discovered is a little secret ingredient of how perpetual (as far as human existence is concerned) electric generators are produced made from magnets and some other 'stuff'. The same generators can be used to provide noiseless, clean, and super (understatement) fast propulsion which is unaffected by gravity. Sorry, that's all I can give you -keep thinking!
It could be heated in these localized areas.
Perhaps something just splashed on them & it sat there until it oxidized /evaporated, a high or low Ph oil/water/anything.
Galvanic something.
@@TurboLoveTrain there you go
it may have gone into a polish bath after the arcing. they have to pump a huge amount of power into them when they are magnitizing them, id not be surprised if the coils they fire dont periodically explode. and bet you bought the magnets off a surplus market. well. that's where the non perfect ones go.
can a dot be extracted and and it's composition binserted in an analyser?
The main magnetic interaction occurs at the EDGE of the neodimium magnet. Please see Ken Wheeler, aka Theoria Apophasis videos. He found it all about it. He is the expert on this field. See all his discoveries and anwsers to all your doubts.
Where are the magnets stored when you are not using them? Is there equipment in the vicinity of the area where you store the magnets that gets powered up now and then? If the right frequencies are combined, there might be an effect similar to what John Hutchison can produce with his equipment. I believe it's the same type of an effect that Tesla was able to produce on the USS Eldridge, he combined 2 or 3 different frequencies to try and hide a ship during wwII from radar and other forms of detection. The animals that were used ended up having issues, these issues were similar to the issues that the sailors had when they were put through the same experiment. Tesla wanted to study the effect and figure out a way to counter it to keep the men onboard the ship from having problems. The Navy told him that they were going to continue with the experiment, that's when Tesla quit the project. John Hutchison gets very similar results to what the Navy got. I'm wondering if you've got something similar going on where the magnets are being stored and multiple frequencies aren't dancing across the surface of the magnets changing what's happening in the location of those spots.
Just a few thoughts from my overactive imagination.
Rob
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Let me know if I'm close or so far out there that I should be sitting in a field somewhere waiting to be abducted.
you get heat by kicking it , if you take a flat surface , and kick the magnet at that point it will exabit lower magnetism , because when you kick the magnet you move the particles and you lose the magnetic field .
the arcing effect on the surface is just a portion of what happened, the real deal is inside the magnet because an electric current went through may be fractally and destroyed the coherency of the magnetic field
this input is after watching the last video and before watching this one and not reading the other comments :
( I made the same comment on previous video before coming here )
acid drops hit the surface and caused the domains to randomize because of partial dissolving
this input is after watching this video before reading comments :
maybe it was electric current from a source without physical contact with the magnet - such as a transformer inducing a current momentarily
second guess : impact with a blunt object
third guess : heat source causing partial melting
I was correct. As for the 2nd question I am guessing again an arch but indirect. Meaning another metal or liquid if taking the initial force of contact. Just like when you put an outlet in and out and sparks yet the other end does not have a burn. But it could be wrong. or arch it first then coat it. But best to leave the mark to indicate where it is. The arch does not put the direction on the other side but makes it all over the place.
the amount of current and voltages implied would not create the effects we see IMO. Also if there were some sort of object, metal or other wise, we would either see no change to the surface or exactly the same sputtering from the arcs that were just disproved due to secondary arcing between the object and the magnet
Did u solve this? I don't see magnet mystery 3 anywhere. Try testing voltages imbetween such as 10 volts, 15 volts and 20 volts. Also can you try viewing it in magnetic film viewer instead of iron fluid, and also try a ferrocell also? There is an upgraded magnetic film viewer that is on Amazon different than the regular green ones, it's more brownish tinted.
My 2c, cosmic rays. Pattern looks spooky, almost fractal. Charged particles + strong magnets = possible
1,2,4,8,7,5,1....? But your magnet is 3x3!
“If you only knew the magnificence of the 3, 6 and 9, then you would have the key to the universe.” - Nikola Tesla
Using positive side make spark patterns with positive arc then
make spark pattern with negative arc
I meant PLATING thickness testers, like may show like 14 microns or so.
I rewatched your production video recently and I just thought of something. At some point they compact them in oil pressure, wrapped in plastic, and you say afterwards they remove the plastic. ruclips.net/video/BHuWloNGo6c/видео.html It could be that tiny splashes of oil get on the magnet as it is being pulled out of the plastic wrap (explaining the 'accelerated' pattern), barely noticeable to the eye, so it goes on to being coated etc, and over time the tiny contamination causes oxidation that spreads upward and outward, causing the effects you see now.
I don't think the circle patterns were created with electricity. I believe the original damage was caused by a chemical burn. The question is which chemial?
its obviously arcs doing it and its not exactly the same because it wasn't intentionally done before so it wont be exactly the same appearance wise
If it is proven that it is not from manufacturing, Then it is a effect of damage and since it is not the same as the arc test, and it is not random I would think that lead to the magnetic field itself affecting the surface. could metal or some other caustic have been pushed or pulled to an area the field has created to make the same pattern.
Micro-fractures in magnet may be creating multiple magnets guided by those fracture patterns. Also, the magnetization process involves coils. If the introduction into this field is non-homogeneous, or the current is introduced in an erratic manner, these may create patterns reflecting those spurious current flows. INDUCTIVE SPIKES may show snapshots of sudden field bounces. An effective snubber, or if a soft-start current flow is used to magnetize, may prevent this effect. Thanks for this intriguing mystery.
its do too impacts on the surface of the magnet which deforms the nickel platings crystalline structure there forth changing the magnetic conductivity of the nickel covering the surface of the magnet or it could be leching do to long contact exposure to another metal which can change the chemical composition of the plating casing there to be a decrease in ferromagnetic properties
Oxidation in the rare earth materials then coated with nickel or just impurities in small spots but I suspect due to geometry that something splashed across uncoated magnet then oxidation occurred. Scrape the nickel and you will see this in all neo magnets. The rare earth oxidation is rapid in atmosphere. Even striking enough to separate the nickel from the base will cause this effect.
Not splashed, its a regular cycloid on both msgnets.
exactly, certain spots of the nickel were oxidized becoming anti ferromagnetic in the process
I have a few youtube videos my self with magnet and if you put iron shaving in a plastic bag paint it white you can with a magnet ring make it dance nice joke for dancing flower. Doing one with neodymium and bismuth and a 400kv ark transformer should be fun, especially with the ring one I'am building uses super cooling and a metal 2x2 magnets 16 total metal coil bound on 30,000kv ion lifter parts with the inner ring spinning to get the lift and brake the ground with a 4 base sets for alien tec antigravity stuff.
First you must understand
the conjugate relationship between the counterspace/dielectric and spatial/magnetism from the above view looking down it's nothing more than the conjugate relationship of inertia acceleration and force in motion. In the process of changing the quality of the neodymium something appears to have altered its quality and attributes in the spots your inquiring about. Consult Ken wheeler on this phenomenon, hes put forth more time and has gone to great lengths to help explain the quality of a or the magnet.
Is this a kind of magnetic 'printing'? Gonna throw this to the EU brains trust - they will loooove tge pattern.
Also pretty sure you've just modelled planetary electric cratering issues. Hilarious if you read back thru the comments on part one (there's clearly a collision/gravity thinker talking compared a couple of electromagnetic thinking guys talking arcing.)
those are old experiments joe cell videos has some of those experiments like brakeing magnets their behavior alcohol is mentioned and methanol I belive that magnet caries a extra residual charge that shuld by checked if it stay permamentaly ore it goes away if you change ground plates ore core sizes,wire -plates size's,magnet size ore magnet potential are equal and proportional diferent reaction will acure what peopel dont understand liques,solids and gaseus states other elements react with those things why do you think air what it has to do with electric motors and transformers it changes resistance by useing temperatures diferences that what it is a combined knowlage and schools dont teach those things I belive magnets can rost some sort of as well and that creates potential diferences some thing similar to a volta baterry cell ore diferences about plastic and metal charge diferences that is more likely static electricity what we are seeing there and harbesting static power is diferent then trying to get ac and dc out of some thing a ignition coil is a perfect exampel it use's colieding magnetic fields ac and ac ore ac and dc pulse's at high speed if they hit ich other at 90° degrees they create somthing diferent and that is more likely called neutral electricity it is not positive ore negative and that has a diferent effect on any cinde of mather it is known those devices emit radiation ither way created by sound,vibration ore histeria thats my understanding how things work you wont finde those things in school books definatly because siencist's dont know what it is in the first place it does not comply to any known law's ore psihic's great video thanks those are old forgoten experiments it wuld do no good to you if you experiment to much about those things magnetic fiels are dengerous some reactions are brutal culd cost you your life dont by to close to those things it culd produce radiation,shock's even go so fare as to by potent to health if other elements get involved many known chemist's died because the same reason their invention's killed them they didnt understand what they got and most of those things ore new elements were highly potent when you take a centrain power sorce to charge a magned ore centrain time to create a magnet the oposite equal is discharge at the same speed ore time what it take to create it and that discharge is not nice it culd fry you instantly that is in my opinio a oposite equal if you can multiply ac ore dc so you can multiply magnets strenght as well even with out moveing part's a plazma generator ore nuclear reactor work's similar principel's only down side is it destroy's evry thing around it well for endles power that is a oposite and equal reaction I supose
Problem is solved , the thing has been kicked , pulled something in , that something stayed on it , then it fell down , the things was jumping around , was damaged , and there you go , you broke it , simple as that .
ha ha - never did find out what created that anomaly:)
@@SuperMagnetMan its very simple , even one layer of atoms oriented differently will cause the change in the field , and here there is a lot of damage , when you kick a magnet it loses its magnetism momentarily as the wave , the force that hit it propagates through it and particles are in motion , not aligned . So in that moment it stops being a magnet .
Same happened here but on a permanent base , it was permanently damaged , atoms in it moved with force in those places , and displaced , hence the change in the field strength .
And i think you know this , all of it , for i am not expert in magnetism yet i know it , you are the magnet man , so i assume you know it , maybe even did it your self to make the videos , that make you money .
That would be manipulation , but i do not know if you did that , but 90% of time , people generate their own content like that .
Like viewers asked this so i will answer in this video , when no one asked anything , lots of those .
People buy things to review them , having them for less then a weak , and post reviews , this falls in that category , self generating content , meaning an action has been taken on the part of the video maker , that will make the video .
Lots of those , and i smell it here . Forgive me but its what i think .
Congrats now you know how the planets are held by the suns larger field. Not gravity at all just field saturation and equilibrium within a larger field. I have already made a working model of how it works.
Have you now that would a primer to change.
Your on the right track my friend, and I really like your ferro cell mirrors. With skepticism and a curious mind, check out Theoria Apophasis as a source of some inspiration. Keep up the research!
So what's up with this mystery? Was I correct too early? ;)
I love u
Thickness testers may introduce mechanical or electrical spots. Some are ultrasonic. Some are magnetic. May be others i forget.
Have you accessed Howard Johnson‘s book? You are using the gauss meter to measure field strength only. Howard Johnson used similar technology to measure field strength and direction. Good try with the electric arc test, but magnetism is more fundamental than electricity. These are magnetic effect at higher frequency and a different phase. Your random testing at the manufacturing stage does not exclude the presence of magnetic filaments during the magnetisation process.. Investigate microwave arcs