How An Ancient Stoic Handled Being Cheated On
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- Опубликовано: 12 фев 2024
- Stoicism! The art of enduring pain and distress without actually showing it.
I’ve never seen anyone handle an affair in a stoic manner. So, I decided to look at how the king of stoicism Marcus Aurelius handled being cheated on and turns out… he had a pretty unique way of dealing with it.
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Damn, Aurelius transformed the "I have no enemies" mentality to "I have no enemies alive" real quick
His wife his biggest enemy
That's why he got no enemies
All the senators still laying pipe tho
@@jimmynesbit1803 lol 😂 true
@@jimmynesbit1803 setting one example is enough to make smart people stand back in line
"I have no enemies, as they are all dead"
- Marcus Aurelius
Lmfao “Dark Thorfinn”
I'm dead 😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Based
And AIDS was born..
😂😂😂
Stoicism isn't about hiding emotions.
It's about not letting them rule your life.
He let them run loose and unmanaged which caused them to rule and end the lives of others around him. Not stoic, destructive
@@mat7258 How?
@@liamjm9278a stoic would understand his wife doesn’t love him as much as he loved her and would not kid himself into believing he can turn a whore into a wife,he couldn’t accept that his marriage was over and continued it because he cared more about how he felt with her than selecting a genuinely kind wife who would love him and and his children,at least that’s my opinion
@@LD-bj4xc What is stoicism?
@@mat7258seeing as he was an emperor this was just some orders on his part
This is the equivalent of “don’t believe everything you read on the internet” but for ancient scriptures
Yeah, the truth is probably somewhere between the lightest possible sentence and this. Like all stories from that time it‘s probably a bit exaggerated
@@vadersfist1775 maybe , but humans were pretty savage back thena nd they still are, I can show you footage of stuff that would never leave you sane again. Humans are animals after all.
@@yarakharam5343 humans are animals but that doesn't really mean anything here. We aren't savages, not at heart. We have both good and evil in us and always have, both Hobbes and Rousseau were right to a degree.
It's really hard to say whether or not people are more or less savage than they used to be. I think it's very possible that education and technological/economic advancement is mostly the cause for our more civil era. Money is the way we compete nowadays, and we have lots of resources and very strong infrastructure so we fight using politics more often, because the rule of law is stronger. Likewise, the populace is smarter so they're less manipulatable than they used to be, so governments are kept a bit more in check than before.
But if you look at peoples political views, many ARE very extreme. You'll see it in RUclips comments. If we see a criminal who hurt someone, people often say that person should go to jail for 50 years, life, or even be executed fairly easily. We don’t often consider how long 50 years is, how extremely harsh of a punishment that is, and people will act like 10 years is a light sentence for many crimes. Robbery in reality should only have a penalty of 0.5-2 years depending on what is stolen. If you want to jail for an entire year, trust me, you'll get your punishment. If you go for 10+ you're probably going to become institutionalized and stay being a criminal.
People call for harsh social consequences on those they don’t like. They'll boycott a product if an associate of that company simply says something they don’t like. They'll cancel people and socially exile them. If a political party believes one way about the existence of God, sometimes saying that science doesn't offer any definitive evidence either way will make them hate you, you can't even have a neutral opinion, if it's anything but full agreement you're an enemy. Jojo siwa said Miranda sings was always nice to her since she was little, and people are hating on JOJO now for that, as if she was a groomer herself. You can't even say a nice thing about your friend if your friend did a bad thing. Once you do that thing, you're evil and deserve nothing but hatred and punishment and ANYONE who even mildly disagrees, takes a neutral stance, or even says something positive but unrelated to that thing is also guilty, sometimes just as guilty as the main enemy.
Our society is fairly extreme. And if people had the power to enact their views on many things, we'd have just as much bloodshed as before. The rule of law certainly protects us from much of it. Not all of it, some of it gets through, and sometimes free will and the human conscience and morality prevent evil as well, but the rule of law plays a huuuge part in that.
@@HelloThere..... Excuse me sir you appear to have typed part of your thesis paper into the RUclips comment section by mistake
@@HelloThere..... To counter you, there are people with various mental disabilities that were and technically still are glamorized due to some use in combat - which back then was much more valuable, due to a weaker law and a need to protect each their own. That's why people like that would be able to be the rulers back then.
Also, these are light sentences cause those people tend to instantly repeat their crimes, and a half of their sentences, they're free from jail. It becomes a problem when people get harsh sentences purely for their skin color but their crimes are honorable. That's the only case where we feel bad for them tho. But like heyy, not so long ago they'd get executed or tortured. This way they're living for free in a society where they can be the victims anytime.
The problem with Jojo is that she spoke nicely about a groomer, so whoever feels for the victim will get mad. I assume you're autistic and lack that sort of empathy or awareness.
"Baby you mad"
"Nah just bathe in is blood real quick and we cool"
😂😂😂
cringe
@@user-qv8ve4dc9kdon’t cheat, don’t get physically and mentally tortured.
easy as that.
or find yourself a loser who is willing to do that open “relationship” bs
@@user-qv8ve4dc9knah man cringe belongs with the D2 final shape haters
@@user-qv8ve4dc9k cringe
"I'm not mad, I'm just very, very displeased. Very."
*her bathing, him entering*
"When you're done I'd welcome a little chat. But please don't hurry, take your time"
Very, VARY.....very 🤣🤣🤣
My father is tewwibly vexed
Ruuuuun!... 🫣😂
😂😂
Her: “Marcus… Are you mad?!”
Marcus cleaning the blade he chopped up the dude with: “Not at you.”
Hes so stoic that he gave the single most unhinged and emotional response possible.
He was so stoic he looped around
Couldn't he have just left her?
And not just off someone.
Isn't that the opposite of stoicism
@@JoeTAC Horseshoes
Lightest punishment in the classical era🗿💀
🫨🫨🫨
This is unironically extremely light.
Its so cute to see such a naive bro. He isnt aware of the crazy things cartels do in mexico&brazil. And you have videos of it on shocking videos website cause popular social medias ban them for being too shocking 😆
@@mathewvanostin7118yea but youve gotta admit the world was harsher back then so the worst of it would’ve been quite terrible compared to nowadays
@@chzbi dear naive bro. Right now in mexico&brazil. Cartel are cuting heads arms legs. Making hungry pitbul&alligator eat people. People burned alive. People being tacken their skin eyes nose ears out. And a long list of very shocking inhumane things
If you saw those videos. You would stop looking at medieval dark stories with hollywood eyes. Cause you would understand what they did is as disgusting as what cartel are doing right now
There is also a country named Myanmaar where very crazy things are happening
Marcus "I'm fine this doesn't bother me at all. On a unrelated topic I'm going to make you bathe in blood of your former lover."
Not quite the immovable human monolith he's made out to be.
@@DockClock-rp2ro There isn't any historical evidence to back up this video, neither does he understand what stoic philosophy is bc he just googled the definition for the English word "stoic."
@@dangerouslevelsofsobriety1503Still the joke is valid.
Let’s presume the story is true.
It would show a pretty hilarious failure of stoicism by its philosophical father.
@@DockClock-rp2rohe’s not have you read his diary’s
@@WaddyMuters you know he’s also not the head of stoicism and that stoicism was a Hellenistic religion that slowly transformed over time and had little to do with being stoic and was mostly based off of their beliefs of Devine reasoning
Now bro has no enemies left 🗿
*Alive 💀
"Now bathe in the blood." Aurelius said calmly
"Have this gladiator slowly killed by draining him of every drop of blood" Marcus said stoically
Clever
Next he's gonna ask Harry about whether or not he put his name in the Goblet of Fire, calmly
Calmly and with a smile.
Dumbledore said calmly 😭
Relationships are hard.
When I killed the gladiator that MY girlfriend liked and made her bathe in their blood..our relationship only became stronger.
But for some couples it just doesn't work.
Ewe huemans should be more aware that female huemans are this way from the beginning...👁️
@@bruceolga3644 I eat LongPig. Gotta eat him; unless u know how to take SOULS. take the SOUL if u can. so u can say, "Shang Tsung wins! Fatality! Flawless Victory!
@@benparrish672 Don't forget to eat their hearts for their courage, their delicious delicious courage. ;)
Its more like a punishment for her bec she would hate him more and fear him plus she really doesn’t want to be with him but being with him is her punishment.
😅
That's the furthest thing from stoicism, he is obviously enraged and he showed his rage loud and clear.
Adultery was a capital crime back then, and a lot of their aristocrats did far, far worse in retaliation. Thus, by the standards of the time, even if this happened it was pretty tame. One must first understand what ethics the Romans valued in the first place before understanding how Stoicism fits into it.
one need to realize, Marcus Aurelius is not just some random stoic. He's an emperor; emperor of the mighty Rome. He can't show himself as a docile stoic. Not doing anything to the man that strained his reputation would make his vassal dare to disrespect him.
The fact that he didnt executed his cheating wife and all her cheating partner in the most horrifying way actually showed how stoic he is.
@@muhammadreynaldiakbar1820 Yeah, the Roman aristocracy was kind of notorious for that last bit. The families of the adulterers also tended to catch strays, with various forms of retaliation. Making an example out of the one guy, making sure his wife would never forget it, and sparing everyone else was a merciful act... by Roman standards.
@@crowe6961 many thanks for the addition
@@muhammadreynaldiakbar1820maybe he was just a simp
Note that "marital fidelity" between ancient Romans wasn't the same thing as it is today. They saw sex as something more recreational than romantic, and it was common for both members of many married couple to occasionally seek gratification outside of their union.
The specific problem Marcus Aurelius had with this specific gladiator, according to (unverified) legend, is that Faustina fell in love with the gladiator.
So basically he was more jealous of the emotional cheating then the physical cheating..
@@notnecessarily3681 may be, She liked not only the se but him. Thats trust breaker. Also, she is horny and Ancient men specifically gladiators can easily seduce any women.
@@notnecessarily3681sounds correct given what the commenter said
Passion instantly restored when she realized he ain't playing
Hahahaha
LOL
I bet! Probably not a romantic passion, but probably a passion for survival! Good point indeed! 🍻
They way it's said, Aurelius seemed to have no problems with her sleeping around. He wasn't ok with her falling in love with someone else tho....
@@fredbyoutubing yeah man normally I recommend breaking up with a girl when she cheats on you.
but now I realize the alternative is not breaking up with her and ending the life of the person she cheated on you with.
however I legally cannot get away with this so I shall remain single
"We all make mistakes in the heat of passion jimbo"-Aurelius
Jimbo aghahahagahga
Yeah that moment arrived too many times for her. 😂
This bullshit was back then my god woman 🗣️
Now GET IN THE TUB
MARCUS AURELIUS NEVER BATHED HIS WIFE IN SLAVE BLOOD!! THE HISTORIA AUGUSTA IS NOT A VALID SOURCE OF INFORMATION!!!
Love how Marc handled it very well, clean and legally.
That’s not stoicism that’s just savage 💀
I mean, have you read about what the Roman aristocracy got up to? This is relatively tame if it's true, adultery was already a capital offense.
Lol!
Aurelius : "I'm a Stoic myself...."
Also Aurelius : **Sends hitman to a cheater** 💀💀💀
Ok , in ancient Rome cheating was often punished by death. And not to consider he was an emperor.
The two best hitmen western the Mississippi
Sleeping with emperors wife is is equivalent of commiting suicide. Nobody in a right mind would do that. Aurelius probably didn't kill him because of rage, cheating was literally a crime and people were killed for less serious stuff anyway
dude was a gladiator fighting for his life everyday, thatd be like if yo girl cheated with the UFC heavyweight champion and I said ok now GO BEAT HIS ASS
@@ffk2385 Yeah cool but also you conveniently left out the part where the psychopath had her bathe in someone's blood, pretty sure that wasn't the law.
I find value in his writings in Meditations but he's also full of s#!t and a hypocrite for this.
Three easy steps to achieve stoicism,
1. Realize that everyone sucks.
2. Accept that everyone sucks.
3. Accept that everyone includes you.
You spelled nihilism wrong.
This is actually very wrong lol.
@@UgigigcuguUgigigydyfjg-fl2qi
Pretty much
Thats why he is ERROR😂
4. Believe you're going to go back to some made up "void of nothingness" once you spend your days wallowing
Stoicism: if you cant do anything about it, dot. Worry about it
Marcus Aurelius: BOY CAN I DO SOMETHING ABOUT THIS.
After Faustina's death, Aurelius grieved deeply and had her deified as well as commemorated in public works... so I'm not so sure that this, uh, actually happened.
Seneca, another Stoic King™, is also notable for his tenderness toward his (much younger, heh) wife; he forbade her to join him when Nero ordered his (Seneca's) death, but she tried anyway (unsuccessfully).
Also contrary to Seneca's wishes, she never remarried; he was very worried she'd be unhappy and alone without him.
In fact, maybe I'll make a short about it too... it won't be this slick, but it will be more accurate! Maybe!
Augusta biographies were largely fabrications
Bro handled that very stoically 😂
Actually, it's quite a stoic move
Man was STONE COLD wtf
@@user-ti2eu5zi2y Not at all when viewed in modern context, it would be an antithesis of stoicism. It happened in a very different time. Even disregarding the societal differences from that time period, stoics aren’t infallible, no one is.
May I remind you that this was a time when Kings fight their own battle and command wars. Marcus Aurelius was no stranger to violence.
Being stoic is not the same as being a pacifist.
Not at all, but if that’s all you think about stoicism, it shows.
"Stoics endure distress without showing it"
*kills a man out of rage*
I mean obviously he was mad, but he didn’t show rage
He casually punished the gladiator and his wife for hurting him. You know you can off someone without showing emotion, right?
@@BaulZakthe idea of seeking to punish someone else in that way seems inherently antithetical to stoicism. Doing it in a way that would have been stoic probably would have just been to divorce his wife
Women were property in Ancient Rome, taking someone else’s property doesn’t make you an innocent man
@@fast9963the issue with using the fact that women were treated as property is that the woman isnt an object, even if she is perceived that way, and has her own will. if a tv grew legs and walked into your neighbors house it wasnt stolen
How was he innocent?
So many people have no idea what Stoicism is, basically it's the same as buddhism, not to be attached to emotions, outcomes etc. It certainly isn't about gritting your teeth and pretending nothing effects you.
It's so ironic that after the most un-stoic retaliation, the video cuts off and restarts innocently on 'stoicism!'
In the context of Ancient Rome, this is a pretty subdued response. Any other emperor would have killed every partner she had, punished her relatives, and killed their cheating wife in the most painful, humiliating way possible.
Also, this video defines stoic philosophy incorrectly.
Stoic philosophy isn't the same as the definition of the English word stoic. Regardless of derivation, it's 2 different things being conflated. @@ImANarcissistAndIDontCare
My thought process was that how most things are handled in the past compared to now, this is rather 'tame'. Given she didn't die with the gladiator, it kinda shows that Marcus was still of forgiving her, but a punishment had to be made. People tend to forget that it isn't great to compare how modern solutions will be done as opposed to ancient civilizations when it comes to things such as cheating.
Nah, more often than not, queens had affair; a lover we can call him. And it is not easy to cover up from king. Even if king knew, he mostly would leave it at it and everyone who knew were intelligent enough to keep their mouth shut; talking ill about king's wife?
Though there are several reasons, one is that king usually wouldn't be satisfying all his wives/concubines, and most important of all, king won't marry any other girl, she would be from a family of high status. So it is not like every cheating wife, her family would be killed
Now you are beginning to understand that the Romans were a bunch of degenerates that had it coming to them
Ga
A better definition for stoicism is the ability to only focus emotionally to the things that you can control
Yes but stoicism is about virtues as well. Otherwise it would be acceptable to commit crimes if only they are committed without the involvement of stark passions.
Tell that to a determinist
Well, the ultimate stoic will know we dont control much in reality
@@JonathanVachon777 not so, you made this comment you woke up and hoisted yourself from bed today you could go and end another beings existence right now and while that may not change much its effect is still permanent in time within the cosmos. Fact is many people have a lot more control then they think they do
No
This shows that even a stoic will not suffer dishonour.
"I have no enemies cuz I killed them all"
I think her being forced to bathe in the blood of her adulterous lover is less about the aphrodesiac thing and more a lesson about actions having consequences.
… gotta love people justifying murder
@@MooMoo-su9mg exactly why violence was more normalized back then, always using excuses...
@@MooMoo-su9mgThis is why you don't cheat because it will always end in blood.
@@GoldenLeo777-tp2rg or be an adult and move on like when i was cheated on…
@@GoldenLeo777-tp2rg Wel if he knew about it many times before, it makes this even more of a nonsense.
On other hand in modern days non of person belongs to other really, especially this much (and shouldn't), just be honest to each other and leave, or accept it.
Cheating though does exist when dishonest and disrespectful things going behind the back of a person, especially with financial risks or STD's etc ...
It's kind of heartbreaking that Marcus just wanted to restore love.
:
He was quiet, calm and said not a single word as he made her bathe in his blood. All he could think of, was the quiet satisfaction of her humilliation. She could cheat as much as she likes afterwards, he will hold close to his heart the moment he made her bathe in a pool of her love's blood. And with that, he would endure pain until he died, smirking at her tearful face.
A lot of people get stoicism wrong. It’s not feeling emotions but refusing to show it, it’s literally not letting anything, any event, or any person affect your emotional state and standing strong.
Im pretty sure the cheating affected the founder of stoicism seeing as how he had the lover killed and made his wife bathe in the dude’s blood. 😅
@@Dan1ell This story didnt even happen, you know that right
You couldn’t be more incorrect if you tried 🤣 your complexion is not a surprise
That's not stoicism. It's showing your emotions but not living there.
@@Dan1ell I mean, if they then believed that a gladiator's blood was an aphrodisiac and would reignite their passion, why wouldn't you just use the blood of the gladiator which fucekd your wife? For all we know, he wasn't affected by her cheating at all, he just wanted to solve his relationship situation, right?
People seem to confuse stoicism with being passive and forgiving.
Yeah but murdering someone in cold blood is pretty not fucking stoic
Hm.
@@FusionFullForce actually "cold blooded" is exactly what it is not showing emotion as you do something is kinda the idea
@@FusionFullForcebeing stoic has nothing to do with stoicism 😂😂😂
That's a good point, if he did nothing he would've been perceived as weak
You forgot that except Philosopher he was also an emperor and as an emperor he had an obligation to keep his name clear otherwise he would fall and then with him the whole empire as it happened later. So even if he didn't want his advisors forced him to execute his enemies. Stoicism teach you how to think not how to be perfect.
"She is forth thy cross roads"- Aurelius
Lol!
😂😂😂😂
And fifth by thy crossed legs
🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
I still haven't heard of anyone handling an affair in a stoic manner.
there are plenty of men who do that. If fhe partner cheats they just let them go. No drama, no nothing. Move on with life.
I have. A buddy of mine caught his girlfriend in the act, said nothing and just packed her shit when she was at work the next day and changed the locks. Coldest thing I've ever seen.
@@josephahner3031I'm picturing her knocking on her parents door
Being Stoic doesn't mean you do nothing, stoicism doesn't have a specific path, stoicism does not guarantee pacifism
@Madfabricator lol when woukd it not require pacifism or at the very least, passivity?
My goodness the lust in her eyes is unbelievable.
I would hate to be taught how to deal with a break up by this guy
I never understood why they punish the individual who their partner cheats with. Can't they see that their partners are the ones more at fault? It's not like their partners got forced into cheating...
Because you ought to know not to mess around
@@danielmiyahara9089 What if they didn't know though? What if the wife or husband acted as if they were single?
The woman was a possession passed from father to the husband who would take care, by this way of think is much easy to get why he rather kill the other part involved, also one of the reasons why getting involved with a married woman was punished
True for most people, but she was the emperors wife, dude should’ve known something horrible was just a matter of time Emperors can’t let that stuff slide
This is about respect. Total respect!
And they lived happily ever after!
"Sleep well, my beautiful children,
School tomorrow. "
😂😂😂 I like your username
You've never known a true stoic who got cheated on? The stoic response to cheating is to look at the situation wholistically. Allow the event to open your eyes to things that may have been unseen. If this person truly loves you, and made a mistake, create an avenue for reconciliation. If this event was a symptom of their lack of love or care for you, then leave.
It is possible to love someone but cheat on them. It is also possibly to love someone but have moments where you stop. I believe the wise response to this is to lay bare your feelings on the matter, be completely honest, each of you tell eachother how you truly feel and what you want. If both of you want to be together, then you must both reconcile your respective transgressions, the cheater must repent, change, and atone, and the one cheated on must also recognize what they did to be in the position where they got cheated on or potentially caused a rift in the relationship (if it was even partially their fault to any degree, even if it's very small).
A stoic does not not feel nor do they ignore their emotions, rather they do not allow them to prevent them from doing what is right or cause them to do what is wrong. It is perfectly reasonable for a stoic to tell their lover they feel hurt and betrayed and would like their lover to repent for cheating, so long as that doesn't cause you to use force or lash out/break down if they say no.
Sometimes I feel so lucky that I was born in the ancient era.
He then said the known sentence "palica debalo balasta" which means "she belongs to the streets"
How do you say sensational in Latin?
@@secretagent4610cheesecake in Latin
😂😂😂
Lmao
She who hath come from the streets, shall return to the streets. - 18th Century reinterpretation.
Fun fact: we only know she did cheat on him with said gladiator, the rest are really just rumors that couldn’t be verifiable both then and now, it’s not far fetched for all of it to be true. But more likely than not it was just the gladiator, if the emperor believed all these men slept with his wife they would’ve been executed too.
More on this, the Historia Augusta is noted as a questionable historical source and info in there should be taken with a grain of salt. Many things in the text have been false.
"He himself, then, refrained from all offences and did nothing amiss whether voluntarily or involuntarily; but the offences of the others, particularly those of his wife, he tolerated, and neither inquired into them nor punished them."
-Cassius Dio, p65 Epitome of Book LXXII
Perhaps the emperor could handle being cheated on with high ranking people but a gladiator was a bit too low for his ego and broke his stoic cuckness.
@Faridaily thank you it took way to long to find someone saying that it is not a good source
Maybe the gladiator was the only one killed because he had no political power like the other ones did.
When the comments are more educated than the educational channel 😂
"I have no enemies"❌️
"I have no remaining enemies" ✅️
If someone cheats on you. This in the simplest way means they don’t love you. The only option is to leave them and let them go. And move forward in life.
He may have been a model stoic but he was also a Roman emperor. Pragmatism will always outweigh philosophical ideals.
I think Stoicism & Pragmatism fit well together; are even tied together.
It’s also funny for me cause 14 hours ago (when you wrote this) I was talking to someone about pragmatism & stoicism.
Always?
Theirs truth to it the same happened to Solomon and David which in turn shows how much we need Jesus my true king
He was only human. Doesn't make his words any less profound.
I mean if you needed the blood of a gladiator to seduce your wife anyway…
People are completely misunderstanding stoicism by saying "that's not stoic at all!", and the video is somewhat to blame as well. Stoicism is not about what you show, it's about what you think. We can't know (considering the story to be true) whether in this situation Marcus Arelius was stoic or not. Stoic approach to the situation is: Can I do something about it? If yes, then I should just do it. If not, then I should accept that it is what it is, and push away negative emotions. Marcus had the gladiator executed, because he could, and as long as he didn't base his happiness on that, then he is stoic.
I guess your approach of stoicism is a bit hollow
This is not at all a bad way to explain stoic doctrine. However Aurelius, as mentioned in his Mediations, believed that living in accordance with nature is the highest good. Killing others in cold blood is not natural, unless it is to protect yourself and those you love. If Aurelius simply had this man executed for sleeping with his wife, then I would consider that a “crime of passion” and not at all a stoic act. If I were Aurelius, and I wanted to settle her infidelity, I would simply confront her about it. Then, if she continues to do it, seeing as I can’t evidently control or curb her behavior, I would just divorce her, for she seemingly doesn’t love me enough to stay faithful, and I would thereby spare myself the sorrow of future infidelity
@@flibbettyjibbetts6766my guy, this is ancient rome were talking about. if he handled things like that, everyone would view him as a weakling, and subsequently try to take advantage of him at every oppurtunity. divorce wasnt seen the same way back then as it is now.
@@flibbettyjibbetts6766 the EMPEROR of ROME cannot simply divorce his wife, we're talking about a culture 2000 years old here. Divorcing his wife would mean him giving up his position as the Ruler of the Empire since being married to her was part of being Emperor and doing nothing to punish/correct this infidelity would make Marcus look like a weakling and unfit to rule over the people of Rome. This may or may not have been the stoic response, because we don't know how emotional he was while doing this but it was the necessary response.
Exactly I've seen a lot of people define stoicism as dismissing and ignoring their emotions in these comments but stoicism is about feeling ur emotions but being able to manage them instead of having them leak out in bursts of crying or tantrums. What people are conflating with stoicism is straight up denial instead of I got cheated on but I'm fine with it they're saying I will bury the memory of being chested on deep in my heart and pretend it never haplened
I think the deeper meaning in another perspective is
"To tell her this is what happened to your lover because of you"
Than "you'll be passionate again by bathing in blood"
I have no enemies... left
For the record, the accuracy of the Historia Augusta has come into question in recent decades. Stories like these are taken with a MASSIVE grain of salt by most historians.
Anecdote of Marco Aurelio ordering his wife Faustina to bathe in gladiator's blood: Found in unreliable 'Historia Augusta' a century later. No contemporary evidence, likely slander. Despite such sensational tales, Marco Aurelio is celebrated for his philosophical wisdom and commitment to justice and fairness.
It's clearly their goal to villainize women and make them seem like uncontrollable sex fiends. Cleopatra being known as the golden mouth bc of her head skills vs. the fact she spoke an abundance of languages pisses me off every time!
It's just antique rumors circulating on the internet as if they were facts.
@@bashleyrespectfully4562 About the golden 'mouth': We make jokes about other men and we would think it is a remark about giving oral sex as well. The gladiator had it worse than the cheating wife too.
@@bashleyrespectfully4562 Can't both be true? And, doesn't it only present Cleopatra as that much more capable and powerful, if so?
stoicism is not hiding pain, its tackling pain rationally, in a way stoicism is the study of how to react and conduct yourself for the best life.
This right here.
In my readings of stoicism, I've never felt the idea was "be a doormat and let everything bad happen to you without fighting back or taking a stand." It's more like, "Something bad, worrisome or negative has crossed my path. How do I choose to deal with it? Let's see...
"I could do the common thing and lash out in anger, blame my colleagues, play the victim, give up hope, whine incessantly, give up all faith and just brood about how unfair life is. Or...
"Instead of letting my emotions regulate me (and therefore the circumstances), I can learn to regulate myself, thereby taking greater control over my life and finding solutions I may otherwise have not considered."
Example: A rival nation state declares war on you, begins slaughtering civilians. You're the king.
Most common reaction would be to lash out in anger. Conscript all men of a certain age and send them on a rampage to kill more of their people in revenge for yours. Or...
Aside from the immediate need to bolster a resistance and evacuate those in danger to safer lands, a stoic might do the following:
Once the immediate defensive measures are put in motion, the stoic might ask: Why did this king attack me? To what end is his goal? Why do his men follow him? Are they loyal out of love or fear? If fear, then how does he maintain that fear?
By asking questions and not letting his emotions get the better of him, the stoic king can then formulate a plan that's much more efficient and effective than just massing troops and spamming them against the opposing king's forces. He can also adapt better if more misfortune comes his way, because he'll already have analyzed the bad scenarios in his mind.
Just my thinking. I don't claim to be an expert on the topic. Just my interpretation.
Came here to say this. In the context of Ancient Rome, Aurelius’ response to his wife cheating is actually rather subdued.
killing a man and making your wife bath in his blood doesn't really scream rational to me, but okay
Dude they were roman EMPERORS. They are like billionaires. Everyone can stay calm when you get backed up by more money than people on earth and an empire. these guys are spoiled brats without any real problems.
@@pard2397If you think an emperor had no problems, you are delusional.
Stoicism isn't about hiding emotions. It is about handling them before they handle you.
Letting your life flow and having a leash on your emotions is what Stoicism preaches...
People saying his response wasnt stoic neglect the fact that his wifes infidelity is an embarassment to his house that needed to be rectified in an honorable way. Stoic or not you cant let the word go around that your wife cheats on you and you wont do anything about it.
This isn’t something that even really happened.
specially when you are the emperor
Why stay with her tho?
“It never ceases to amaze me: we all love ourselves more than other people, but care more about their opinion than our own.”
― Marcus Aurelius
That has nothing to do with the purpose of the fucking video which is that hes supposed to be a stoic
“According to rumors” great foundation for a history related channel. 😂
It's a very bold way to report on something that happened more than 1 day ago, let alone nearly 2000 years ago.
All of history is a rumor
@@apple-cv2xj often based on writings and findings. Much more authentic then hesaidshesaid even if it's no proof.
@apple-cv2xj you talking about the holocaust? 😂😂
Being fair, a lot of ancient sources are potentially riddled with biased accounts. It’s hard to know what really happened at times.
He seems like a pretty chill husband.
Some people don’t realize that you can be both stoic and compassionate. It’s alright to show emotions, it’s what makes a man a true man.
Yeah for sure I'd argue you can't even be stoic if you aren't compassionate
Some pains are too visceral to endure with grace. No matter how hard you train and rationalize with yourself, you're still a creature of emotion.
People seem to not understand that being stoic doesn't make you less of a human that is also prone to losing their temper and making mistakes. The difference between stoics and people that aren't is recognizing and actively trying not to have said attitudes.
Being a stoic is centered around self control in an effort to not let our feelings control us. In this instance he certainly failed to uphold that standard. Obviously not everyone is perfect but using that as an excuse for poor behavior is the opposite of the stoic mindset.
Stoicism is often understood as being a statue, no wind could blow you and no tide can move you. I look at it more like being a tree, bending with the wind, flowing with the tide. Not tightening against its wrath, not shedding tears in regret. Its taking action that solves your problem whatever that action may be
Making her bathe in his blood is not about rejuvenating their passion for one another, it's about making her understand the consequences of her actions. She basically shed his blood by proxy when sleeping with him. Aurelius does this so she refrains in future from acting upon her feelings towards other guys. If she really likes them she would want them to be alive, thus no more cheating.
So to everyone saying this is a very mild punishment, you have to consider how strong of an emotional torment this would be to a person that genuinely loves those she has affairs with.
Is murdering someone for stealing your wife stoic?
I mean.. it's not out of passion so maybe
Moral is a different question but there's still a difference between having someone lust after you, and sleeping with them, much less with the wife of the Emperor
@@PJOZeushow was it “not out of passion”
@@PJOZeus I don’t even care about the morality of it although poor guy. I thought stoicism you were supposed to always keep a clear head and never act irrationally. The rational thing to do would’ve been to leave her 😭🤣
Depends on how you do it.
No. No it isn't.
Dude is a savage 😂
Everybody was like that in those times
it was normal back then,
Not very stoic, though 🤔
The gladiator was just prey. He would have been killed if he refused her. He'd have been accused of rape after the affair. He'd have died at the pits fighting. He actually died for cheating with the emporers wife and they made sure not to record his name so he'd never be remembered.
@@Tony.kayAmiri those are the details omitted when those stories are told
The very important ones that gives real meaning to history, no personal narrative has any meaning when stories are told truthfully
"I DO NOT NEED TO FORGIVE MY ENEMIES, FOR I HAVE HAD THEM ALL SHOT!"
- Some Spanish monarch
Ngl I didn’t expect the guy to do something out of dedication to rekindling the attraction in their marriage. I was fully expecting his intentions to be actively traumatizing her lmao
It is very important to note that the source he cites, the Historia Augusta, is a very unreliable source at the best of times, and that the contemporary historian Cassius Dio does not not mention any such events.
I've read the book of writings by Marcus Aurelius posthumously published as "Meditations". Nothing in it suggests he could be violently and gruesomely vengeful, although it's possible. Throughout those writings he sounds patient, thoughtful, and compassionate. Because of constant warfare with German tribes he had to be absent from his wife for many months at a time so she may have felt lonely, frustrated, miserable, and tempted to cheat, and her husband might well have been forgiving about her weakness. He did acknowledge as his own son and heir Commodus, the one rumored to have been fathered by the gladiator.
@@deewesthill1213it is also worthwhile to note that his meditations, named such for being more of his journal than anything as the writings contained his musings on life, were not ever intended to be read by anyone else. They were solely for him, and him alone.
@@idealicfool Yes, i knew that.
Yeah the Historia Augusta was basically the Roman version of a tabloid. That’s why it’s so annoying when a video uses it as a source without massive disclaimers.
Ever since that gladiator went missing, Marcus Aurelius has been walking straight again.
I was saddened by this. Gladiators were super low class, so they had very difficult lives. Imagine a man who is strong and grisled yet kind because he's been beaten down by the world, having forbidden love with a woman whose husband has decided to be emotionally frigid in her perspective. I feel so bad for the Gladiator.
My idea of a stoic response
“Your actions will catch up with you. At some point, you will find somebody who will reprimand you for all you have done, though that time will not be right now, and that person will not be me.”
This. This is why i dont bottle my emotions, it just results in everything coming out all at once.
Not rly.
You could also argue that anger is like an emotional muscle, the more you use it the stronger it gets.
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I could've worded it more clearly, but I suck at explanations
😂
@BF1_enthusiast Yeah, you could have worded it differently, and it still would be mid.
I mean stoicism has nothing to do with bottling up emotions, people just misrepresent it very often
I doubt this "historical" account is even real.
Regardless, Stoism isn't about bottling in emotion, it's about not getting angry in the first place. Being a true Stoic was seen as an impossible task and only a few individuals were said to achieve being one. Kind of like being a an actual Saint, in Christianity.
He sorted the problem very kindly.
You know the old saying:
"Never met your idol"
This is like.. the literal king's response to "tell me you're livid without telling me you're livid".
Ya'll do realize you can be stoic while killing and punishing ppl. John Wick is a good example.
What about while torturing people (mentally or emotionally)?
John wick isn’t stoic actually also you don’t need to be stoic. No one will pat you.
Being “stoic” is for people who can’t regulate their emotions so they think their form of apathy makes them superior to those around them
@ErenDoppleganer
It's better than complaining and wining.
Ah yes, john wick. The anger filled, revenge driven murderer. Stoic indeed.
now i know how to handle being cheated on. thank you
"I've never seen anyone handle an affair in a stoic manner."
And you still haven't.
No that’s actually pretty stoic
Just when you couldn't like Marcus more he drops this wisdom on ya. 🐐
Abusing a woman when she has cheated on you is based?
@@ferrisbueller9991 meanwhile the gladiator 💀, poor woman tho
Tolerating your wife cheating on you and killing the guys she's doing it with is the ultimate L in every way. Killing men for having consensual sex with your wife is psychopathic criminal behavior but at least could be justified by a "alpha male" mindset. But then he's also a cuck for letting himself getting cheated on repeatedly.
You can't be a bloodthirsty alpha and cuck at the same time, pick a lane.
@@ferrisbueller9991 Exceedingly based
@@ferrisbueller9991 Yes. Adultery is a crime and civilized societies have always punished w**res
I’ve never heard something “stoic” be not so stoic
Just because you are stoic in temprament doesn't mean you are stoic in your wrath.
This was less a crime of passion, and rather an ironic punishment granted to Faustina - being a nymphomaniac, committing adultery, and thus being made to take an 'aphrodisiac' bath in the blood of her lover. Aurelius must have adored the use of irony in literature, as he concocted something that is literally layered in it like a lasagne.
Forcing her to bathe in her lover's blood might also have the affect of demonstrating that f'ing around with his wife might not be in a man's best interest. Could have a chilling affect on her and her prospective lovers.
Yes, any man who witnessed or heard about that incident would know not to fuck with the Emperor - or his wife.
@uropodif its a practice you can fail
@uropodI mean it could be a purely logical thing I tend to see ancient emperors as similar to gang leaders and if you f with a gang leaders woman it is the correct response for him to murder you otherwise it shows weakness which would prompt others to seek to usurp his power.
It's crazy to think of that actually happening. I can't imagine the trauma of being bathed in the blood of your lover. Well fk around and find out I guess
No, it was a magic ritual.
One dramatic example that demonstrates stoicism can lead to just suppressing emotions, leading to more disastrous outcomes than feeling the emotion itself. Emotion is quite valuable.
No. You're forgetting that Marcus Aurelius was an emperor. And kings had to do stuff like this.
"had to" ?
Are you crazy? Yes, it was a tactic. Yes it probably worked well. Yes there DEFINITELY were other ways to deal with it/her.
Where was the disaster here?
For the gladiator, it was literally: "f... around, find out."
He definitely knew the risks.
He should have banished the wife or at least punished her instead of just having her take a bath.
But there were probably political implications.
You’re confusing stoicism the philosophical school with the vernacular stoicism. Different things
This story didnt even happen, you know that right
Stoicism is just silent pettiness. Just because you ain't loud about it doesn't mean there's no plotting happening.
I love that the whole premise of this video acts as if the way Aurelius's affair was handled would hold up today.
you know it's actually terrifying to imagine him doing that completely chill and cold instead of rage. stoicism is scary in these contexts lol
He did nothing of that himself. And it's still antistoic AF.
Fr. Like “no it’s okay! Really! You just hav to do this oneeee thing for me”
It's only scary if you're planning to cheat
Seems like a pretty emotional response
Based.
It was rational
Logical *
I have always processed stoicism as allowing yourself to feel, without allowing yourself to be swayed from your feelings.
It should be kept in mind, Hyrum was actually the head and prophet of the church at this time. Joseph smith months prior officially declared he would no longer prophecy, and that his brother hyrum would in his place. Also said something about reforming himself
Stoicism isn't about not reacting. It's about not wearing yourself down overreacting to things beyond your control.
Faustina might have been beyond his control, but, the gladiator was not. He literally owned that gladiator.
I wonder if Faustina ever had a problem controlling her lust after this? Cuckholds will say "of course, slay qween."
Lmao Aurelius owned no one. If he “owned” him he would have fought the gladiator 1v1 instead of having him executed. Literally just said “you cheated on me and I’m so mad about it that I’m going to demonstrate my anger by killing him”. Kinda pathetic.
@@rayaanansari4834 Aurelius, indeed, would've owned that gladiator... Because that Gladiator probably wasn't a free man.
@@liubei3058 you’re so delusional lmao. Just because you want to believe all this stuff about Aurelius doesn’t mean it’s true. As if mental strength at all correlates with physical strength to the extent of a lifetime warrior.
Idk man he still seems pretty cucked to make her bathe in the affair partner's blood to get her to "love him back".
@@jibbagribba lol yeah, literally had the guy killed and juiced and makes her bathe in it, but that's still not enough for the "chads" of reddit.
Save it up for Pride Month.
He probably punished the gladiator and his wife because of status and principle not emotions. He was a man of status and everyone took notice of his wifes debauchery and a man in that position must act or others would see him as weak and try to take advantage of him. Doing what he did also probably scared anyone else away from his wife.
exactly
His wife cheated on him and he didn't ditch her butt and replace her, that seems pretty weak to me.
The only rational reason to keep her around was if she was politically valuable due to connecting noble families for alliances or alternatively was beloved by the public.
It also mentions a superstitious reason for his actions
She's lucky he chose that route. Others weren't as kind.
@@theonpointheavy4401Well the video says it’s also a legend, so maybe it didn’t ever happen
“Ya babe I’m not mad that you missed your ex. Just bathe in his blood and our love will be stronger then ever”
Stoic: *has a mental breakdown*
Also Stoic: Whew! Almost lost my cool there.
“I’m the king of stoicism, not a saint” -Aurelius
The fact he only goes after the gladiator proves his sane man. What he did was a subtle warning for senators .
Stoicism isn't about being a calm passive sheeple.
It's about being hard as a stone, which sometimes breaks heads.
Stoicism isn’t about hiding your emotions it’s about not allowing them to rule your judgment. Aurelius is a stoic legend but I don’t think this is the best example of a situation handled in a stoic manner.