Hey Tony, good video and superior detective work. By now it's been over a year since you made this video and I hope the situation with Weatherby has been resolved! Anyway, I just purchased this same gun (Weatherby Orion Sport) about a month ago and just inspected it based on your video. Being a new gun it's very stiff opening and closing, but it is slowly loosening up and I only have ~200 rounds through it. That being said, the receiver face is perfectly flat with consistent marks from shell casing impact. The lower barrel breach has a noticeable bevel/radius on the most bottom section to allow for proper opening and closing. I think you got a bad gun or Weatherby has updated the design to fix the problem you described. Thanks for the very informative video.
Thank you for your thought,apparently Weatherby and turks fix the problem now you have a gun build the right way ,and yes the shotgun as to be tight when new that is normal,the idea is you want to break it in yourself,my situation is I am a retired tool and die maker and everything as to be perfect or better,as far as Weatherby I will never buy another gun from them: again! Enjoy your gun be safe and have a Happy Thanksgiving my friend
Tony I think you are absoluteley right ,it is a company defect and they should fix it ,but can it be done without being to costly not sure that is why they are made in Turkey more profit .
Tony definitely knew what he was talking about and we Weatherby owners should all thank him for the video 'cause this video touched several serious points. However, it does seem to me that there are some mysteries about the problem. Here are my thoughts: 1) I don't suspect any people who reported the problem. However, it may be fair to say that MOST owners of this gun have not got this problem 'cause if not the case, in this internet era there would have been much noisier backlash against the gun. 2) I myself have this gun with a perfect flat receiver surface. Suppose my gun is a redesigned model that corrected previous flaw design, why many other early reviews did not mention this problem either? 3) If this was not a design problem, rather, it's a quality control problem, it's really hard to think that with today's much superior steel material and digital lathe/machining, a couple of degrees off-angle could result. 4) Could people who reported this problem please provide the serial number of their receiver/action? Such information would help us to see whether it's a specific batch of products that have this problem. 5) The official Weatherby responses reported in several previous comments gave the impression that Weatherby, at least its shotgun department, have no real shotgun engineers other than some import businessmen (probably with MBAs but not engineering degrees.) Also, they might try to tough out on a problematic batch of products due to some mistakes they made. This would be a VERY SERIOUS problem for ALL Weatherby gun owners 'cause it would be a company credibility problem. So far we have not got a conclusion but if it is the case, such problematic culture would definitely kill any company in the long run.
I have a stoeger condor 20 gauge over under and I have the same issue after I shoot about 15 to 20 in a session. This explains Why my gun does that. Been trying to figure it out. I'll check my lower and see if that's my issue. Very informative. Differnt guns, same issue. Thank you.
Tony. Thanks for the video. I have a Orion from Weatherby. After putting about 500 rounds or so through it, I started have issues with both barrels firing at the same time. And the forend stock was started to get more and more loose. I sent it back to customer service. They say forend stock wasnt cut right. Refitted with new one and made some adjustments for the double fire and sent it back . But, like before,after a few hundred or so rounds the issue has returned. Stock is no longer issue but its really unnerving when your only expecting 1 barrel to fire. Also have issues with light primer strikes every now and then. Now this of course is not the same issue you have but it was the same song and dance. After seeing issues I too now believe there is a quality control issue at least with these guns. Just thought I would share this with you. John
Thank you john for sharing your situation for sure the turks should go in Italy or japan and learn how to build a shotgun;I sure hope Weatherby fix your shotgun and make you happy good luck and all the best
Hello Tony , thank you for the heads up on this problem . I was thinking of purchasing this particular model from Weatherby for clay shooting . When I found out where it was made I kind of didn't want to purchase but the price is what attracted me more towards this model but after seeing your review I'm going to walk away . Thank you ..
I bought a Weatherby Orion sporting two weeks ago.. I experienced some difficulty to open the break action after I shoot the under barrel for the first 150 rds, after that the action became so smooth. I love the gun.. I patterned the barrels and the shoot 50-50 with very well regulation. I bought it as a backup gun for clay shooting (Trap, sporting, five stand, etc..) I find myself grapping it on every clay outing so far.. Maybe because it is a beretta clone and it looks to me that Beretta styles fit me better.. Keep shooting the gun beyond 300 rds and tell us if it gets better..
So i had the same issue. Every empty shell it will cause drag and the gun wont break open as easy. Brought it to my local gun smith who i used plenty of times and what he found was just debris blocking the firing pin from retracting causing the shell to drag against the firing pin.Cleaned it out and been great no issues.
I have the same gun I’ve had for 1 year and 825 rounds through it. I’ve cleaned & greased it religiously. Same problem occurs with the bottom barrel. I took it to the gun smith @ Scheels and they had 4 “professionals” look @ it and said no problem. Everything is good. 🤦♂️. I’ve kindly explained to them I’m not making it up and other guns I’ve shot are not like this. Thanks for the video with the great explanation. Wish this info was out there July of 2020 when I bought this defect!
Mister White apparently this gunsmith that you took the gun to are probably weekend par time or amateur, a real gunsmith that knows and as knowledge how firearms works can tell that is a design flaw and Weatherby doesn’t want admit,again i personally think the turks made a mistake on the try unions pins and took a short cut by adding that angle instead of redesign a new receiver, the mistake I made was to buy on line ,if I would’ve this shotgun in my hands in a store I would never bought.I am sorry for posting this video late,best of luck to you my friend
Tony we need more guys like you making good videos we can under stand ! I was just at Cabelas today and looked at the same shotgun like yours ($1600.) and decided to go home and do some research . I am so glad I found yours . Not buying one now . I hope the CEO of Weatherby sees this video and contacts you and makes it right. You deserve a free shot gun on top of getting yours repaired.Seems like your not the only Orion buyer out there with the same problem . I just retired as a tradesmen and looking for a good entree level shotgun o/u . This will be my retirement gift to my self . What shot guns do you recommend me buying around the same price as a Orion. How about a Yidiz or a Kral Please make some videos of your other guns ,likes and dislikes .
Sir i thank you for appreciating this video,i spoke with the president of the company Weatherby,the only thing that day would do was to exchange from 12 to 20 gage ,i don’t think they understand the concept or the way a shotgun should work,there for i give-up and and bought my self a browning CX 30 inch barrel which is good for all the clays sports,it does cost little more than $1,600.00 but it will lest a lifetime,another one is the beretta 686 silver pigeon sporting 30 inch also good for all clays sports,i think the cost is very close to each other.my suggestion is save a little more money and buy one of this,everyone at my club that owns one of this shotgun including me loves it, and yes this are entry level clay guns which area also good bird gun.good luck to you on your purchase and happy holidays
Wow Tony I'm so sorry to hear Weatherby did not correct this problem and I'm shocked frankly and I will be contacting Weatherby as a long time customer about this problem for I to will not tolerate bad quality in expensive firearms. We shall keep the heat on Weatherby to replace your shotgun or blacklist there quality.
I just bought an Orion Sporting, and the breech face is completely flat. The lower edge of the lower barrel has a radius, just as you described. So at some point, they must have changed the design. Also, the barrel-to-receiver fit is very tight, just as I expect any new o/u would be. I've only shot 1 box of shells so far, but already notice the action getting smoother.
Yes the breech face must be flat absolutely no angle; apparently they correct the mistakes and if this is the case now you have a shotgun built the correct way; happy and safe shooting my friend
Mine was fine till the gun heated up after 50 rounds. The tolerances are so tight that the metal expanded and tightened up. After it cooled down it was normal again.
i have had a similar issue with my Orion. the wear on my breach face is not localized below the bottom barrel firing pin like yours. The wear on the breach face goes all the way from top to bottom down the center. it's obvious that the bottom shell rubs all the way down. it bends the bottom of the shell and leaves brass scrapings in the firing pin holes. i explained this to weatherby but they said the gun just tight and needs to be broken in. ive put 1200 rounds in and still have the issue albeit the issue isnt quite as bad. hopefully the issue will resolve itself after a few thousand more rounds. The gun shoots well but i feel dumb at the range when i have to break the gun over my knee to open it.
@@greekporsche928 even after shooting ten thousand rounds will not change the conditions of the gun ,Weatherby will not admit that they f…..up,if you can cope with that condition go ahead and have fun,in my case that was not acceptable,instead of getting sick over the gun,I sold my.thank you for your input enjoy the outdoors and be safe
I bought the same gun a few months ago. Mine did the same thing after I shot the lower barrel. The top barrel was fine. I’m mean it was very hard to open. After I shot mine for a couple months it started loosing up. Now both barrels do great. I’m very happy finish in function of this gun now. it’s the best over and under I’ve had the pleasure to shoot.
I bought the 20 gauge sporting in Sept 2024 before I saw this . Same problem. I removed the ejector for the lower barrel and put a shell in to inspect. The bottom edge of the shell protrudes beyond the barrel, which causes it to drag. Anyone thinking of buying one, should take a spent hull to the store and see if the gun will open and close easily with a hull in bottom barrel before buying.
@@kenkanarr1880 thank you for watching my video the problem of opening the action will happen after firing the lower barrel,if you are not happy sell and buy a browning or beretta good luck and be safe
Thanks for the video I was just going to order one from Sportsman's Warehouse you saved me lots of dollars. Why Weatherby didn't just give you a new gun our your money back is amazing bullshit from them.
I have the field version and had a problem with stiffness opening the action. Turns out he surfaces between the forearm and the receiver gaulled on one side but some sandpaper to take off the high beads and lots of grease fixed the problem. After your video I checked the geometry of the receiver face and found the top five eights of the bottom barrel perfectly flat with the top barrel but the bottom of the shell is not supported. The receiver face is machined so that the very bottom is recessed at one or two degrees. Also the bottom barrel is beveled like you described. I don't have any problems with the gun now after about 1000 rounds.
If you are happy with and the receiver doesn’t boarders you is perfectly fine,to me is not acceptable ,because of that i sold the gun ,be safe and happy shooting
@@tonydebellis4647Based on some of the replies, Weatherby has changed the design to a perfectly flat receiver face so I'll be keeping an eye on it. Thanks for the heads up.
@@tonydebellis4647 Indeed I put a straight edge across the base of some spent shells and can see distortion across the base where it was pushed into the relief at the bottom of the receiver face.
Tony, I know exactly what you are talking about. Several years ago I bought a Rossi lever action rifle which had feeding problems so I took it apart and found that there was a defective part which was supposed to be slotted in order to slide freely through the retaining pin as the lever was stroked but because it was a poor casting it impinged upon that pin causing the hang ups. I sent the rifle back to the repair facility in Florida explaining the problem and after a month or so I received the rifle back from them and found that they had replaced the guides in the side of the receiver and I still had feeding problems . They did not replace the defective part( You could obviously see the the defect) and in addition one of the pins which held the assembly in place was broken and they still used it. Disgusting. That is what gun owners are faced with dealing with. Rossi is a trashy organization and everybody at that repair facility should be terminated. Its time we started scrutinizing the imports coming into this country .
I purchased the 20 gauge, and have the same exact problem, in fact I have seen some minor metal filings in the receiver, examining the fired shotgun shells, I’ve determined there coming from the lower part of the shell casing. I’ve tried three different shell manufacturers, and still have the same problem. Sometimes it’s so bad that I have to break the gun across my knee to open the action. My next plan of action is to try to use some sort of abrasive compound to polish the lower section of the receiver to get a little more space. So far I have about 4/500 rounds thru the gun, and it still binds up 6/7 times for every 25 shot. It’s definitely a pain in the ass
@billreeves7128 did you ever resolve? My new 20GA has same problem. With warranty center now, they said the are reaming lower barrel. Customer service has been outstanding. Let me know if you want the reps name/email.
Yes, sir. İ had the same problem. Especially after slugs , i could not break the gun. i sold it. i was thinking the problem was firing pins. But as you said it may be the reason. Now i'm thinking to buy another over under. i am thinking akus or Akdas. but not Ata(weatherby). thank you.
Remember one thing the breach of a open action shotgun as to be flat; next shotgun you buy make sure it is flat no angle: I learn my lesson it will never happen again ;be safe and enjoy shooting my friend; thank you for your comment
I have owned a weatherby orion for over 1.5 years. I have a problem opening the bottom barrel, but only when shooting the cheapest walmart shells, with the steel bases. I have no problems with the better grade shells including AA's, Rem gun club, Fed top gun, etc. I have cycled some of these shells through my MEC grabber, which sizes the base also. They then run and eject with no problem. Check your ammo. I have over 4000 shells through my gun with no other issues.
The ammo chip or not should not make any different in a double barrel open action shotgun,maybe it would make a difference in a semi auto? I don’t know , however if your shotgun have the same thing that I describe in my shotgun is absolutely wrong; if you like yours more power to you I like my to be perfect or better. By the way I sold my I bought a browning much better gun, I will never buy another Weatherby shotgun ; thank you for sharing your opinion enjoy your shotgun and be safe
I have over 10 under and over shotguns. None of them have this problem with any brand of ammo or reloads. But, I don't have a Weatherby either. Some are Yildiz and have no problems with them.
Unless they fix the breach face of the shotgun 12 or 20 gauge the problem will always be there;an a second thought if you are happy with that more power to you.be safe and stay well my friend
@@tonydebellis4647 My 12 gage did not have this problem , so it could be a quality control issue and they did not want to admit in your case.. Any ways I will be trying my 20 gage tomorrow and will post an update if it has this problem or not.. you got me worried now that it might be a hit or a miss
@@jamilalwan3327 sorry my friend I didn’t mean to scare you just sharing my experience of an old tool and die maker,maybe they fixed the issue you have a great evening and a fantastic Sunday
@@tonydebellis4647 on the contrary sir. I’m thankful that you took the time and the effort to share your experience. It is an eye opener for all of us that share the same hobby and passion for shooting and marksmanship. I am packing four boxes of 20 gage and hitting the trap range tomorrow. Let’s see what happens. I owe you a feedback whether bad or good. Just to toss my two cents in the mix.
@@tonydebellis4647 ok here is an update due. So I took the Orion 20 gage yesterday and I tried two types of ammo. The AA Winchester no 8 were perfect in both barrels. However when I used the federal slightly higher brass no 7 1/2 they were ok in top barrel but with the bottom barrel I was having hard time closing and opening the barrel just as u described. That started to distract me and I was stressed out thinking about it and I started missing clay breaks. Well I stopped later at a friends shop who is a gunsmith yo check it out. He measured things in the barrel and said there is a less than 1/1000 spec difference and that this is ok. He said federal ammo spec might be the problem but advised me to keep shooting it and if it is not loosened by around 200 rds to give weatherby a call and if they don’t want to fix it by that time he can do something about it. But he was very positive that the issue will be resolved by more usage. I left the gun in his shop to install a white front bead and a white middle bead to help me with my mount. I can’t see the brass bead in any lighting conditions. Well that was my experience today and wanted to share with you.
Nice Video, I took a Dremel Tool and cleaned up the receiver and it ia able to clear with No Problem! Our local gunsmith will not touch any gun that is made in Turkey.
Yes you’re doing the right thing ,I have browning and beretta I love them both thank you for watching and understanding my video ,be safe enjoy the sport
Hello Mr. DeBellis, I have watched your video and agree completely. I would take your gun to a qualified gun smith and see if he will back you up with a written inspection of your problem. I wish you luck. Louie
I have the same gun in 20ga. Have not had a problem until today. Have shot approximately 400 rounds through the gun. The problem began when I used Federal 2.75 in shells. I am hoping that the shells are the issue. Not sure if you are experiencing the issue throughout a variety of ammunition. Thanks for the video.
Today I went to my gun club to shoot some trap and I noticed a Weatherby 12 gage field model,i told the gentleman that owned that gun the situation that i was having,I ask him if he could take the shotgun apart to see if the breach is the same my shotgun,and yes is the same with that recess angle and the lower shell was rubbing against the breach face:apparently that is the way that they have been building this shotguns to my opinion is not the proper way and I sold my i was using Winchester federal and gunclub ammo 1200 f/s if that condition don’t bother keep shooting and be safe happy new year 🥂my friend
I have a new Weatherby Orion Sporting. It got hard to open after 50 rounds. I think it is more very tight tolerances. once the gun heats up the metal expands and gets tight. Once my gun cooled off it was ok again. The temp in Texas is around 95 to 100 so it's already starting out warm before a shot is even fired.
I purchased the same gun last year and have about 1200 rounds through it. I 100% know what you're talking about because I've experienced the exact same issue. I was hoping things would get better over time but I have not seen a significant change for the better. The gun is still tough to break open after firing the bottom barrel.
Mister Jeff the functionality of the shotgun will never change it don’t matter know many rounds will go true ,the receiver is a bad design and will be always hard to open the action after firing the lower barrel ,I am sorry that you have the same problem,i think if everyone that have this shotgun complain to Weatherby maybe they do something about.thank you for your opinion and good luck
Mister Jeff as far a replacement i also tried and Weatherby told me that the receiver on this model are all the same and the replacement was not necessary there is nothing wrong 🤨with the gun good luck my friend
On the contrary i have a cz sharp tail side by side 12 gauge 28 inch barrel and I loved, used this gun for upland hunting is beautiful well made lots gun for the money
I have an Athena and an Orion purchased almost 30 years ago. The Orion does exactly as you describe and always has. Fire the lower barrel, and it seizes up and will not open. Weatherby has been no help and my local gunsmith won't touch it. So, I own a beautiful but worthless Orion. By the way - no problems with the Athena. Thank you for the video. I thought my problem was unique. Now I know it's not.
Hello Bryant I am glad that you agree with me the reason that I bought this shotgun is for when I take my guest to my local gun club,I normally shoot perazzi shotgun,never the less what brand as to be built properly and this is not the case ,sorry Weatherby this Orin shotgun is not good,best of luck to you Bryant be safe and enjoy the sport
Thank you Jay for understand my video because some people can’t comprehend the mechanic and the way things supposed to work; save little more and buy a Browning or Beretta ;Weatherby makes good rifles but shotguns? I know you get what you pay for but at the same time they need to be build correctly !Be safe and happy new year my friend
I've got the same gun, picked it up about a month ago. My son shoots a beretta 694 in competition. I've put several hundred rounds through the gun and have not seen this issue until I fired some Grand Italia mirage made by Clever. They seem to be an Italian manufacturer and I picked up five boxes of 7 1/2 shot ammo from Scheels. My son had the same problem though with his Beretta 924. This makes me think that the problem may not be the gun so much as the ammunition. I haven't seen this issue with Winchester AA, Challenger or Federal Blue box.
This shotguns are shootable is the building concept that is wrong that angle on the receiver should not be there the brass it needs to seat 100/ cent flat on the receiver ; the turks took a short cut on building this shotgun: it doesn’t matter ow chip the shotgun is it still needs to be build properly ask any gunsmith or any other gun company’s the reason that I have this shotgun is because I bought on line I never seen before if I would have seen in my hand I would never bought this is because I am a tool and die maker and i know ow guns work: tank you for your comment
@@tonydebellis4647 I see. Thank you very much. Mine is pretty new still, with time I will probably start to see problems with the lower barrel. It will take time because I am only a hunter, so not too much shooting is going on. I appreciate your effort to answer my simple comment. Best Wishes!
@@davejones6006 I just shot it yesterday and it war really nice, I was shooting from the bottom barrel and noticed that you have to aim a little under the bird to hit it. Overall its an amazing gun
i sold the shotgun and i bought a browning CX, Weatherby didn’t want to give me a refund or exchange because they said that model are all the same.this past weekend at my local gun club the was a guy that just bought the same model shotgun and i checked the receiver and it is the same and for me is not acceptable
@@gregcameron9907 as long that doesn’t have the same conditions of the Weatherby but i am not too familiar with the Churchill,i would stick with beretta or browning
@@tonydebellis4647 browning and berettas around here. SKB also. o/u that cost less seem to have problems. there is a reason an o/u is $1100 new vs $1900 - $2600. Seems on the $1100 guns some shortcut was taken. We shoot a lot of clays, skeet, trap, sporting clays and you pretty much see only berettas and brownings other brands just dont hold up to clay shooting. I may shoot 100 shells per outing and use to have three outings per week. so 300+ shells per week. now a o/u used just for hunting, not that many shells shot in a season as compared to clay shooting. so some cheaper guns work for hunting but few withstand the rigors of clay shooting.
I have run 3500 rounds through it, mainly WW, and other brands all low brass, lead target loads 1145-1250 fps. NO problems with my Orion Sporting. I see you have problems with high brass shells. Same on lower power ammo?
Yes I ad more problems with low brass,I did the video with the high brass and the deformation was less. Yes whit the lower brass was very hard to open the action after firing the lower barrel;in a open action shotgun high or lower brass chip or expensive ammo the open and close of action should be smooth, in my case was hard to open because of the design flow which is wrong. Thank you my friend for your shearing your thoughts enjoy your gun and be safe
The face of the breach does it look like my x shotgun? It that is the case can’t be fix I sent my to warranty service and I even talked to mrs Weatherby and the gun come back the same way;the correct way to fix the problem is that day need to replace the breach with a straight face no angle, the way mrs Weatherby wanted to fix the problem was exchange shotgun with a 20 gage one meaning less pressure,I didn’t buy that so I sold the shotgun;yes post the results good luck to you and happy holiday
@@tonydebellis4647 I took mine back to the store where I bought it and they sent it back and we sent a spent she'll with the same markings as the video, so with that been said if it isn't repaired properly I'll ask for my money back..
@@mikethacker3203 good luck on getting the money back,I tried that to but mrs Weatherby said no the only thing she can do is exchange for a 20 gage because of less pressure and that would solve the problem,from than answer I totally understood that she and her gunsmith team don’t have a clue how a shotgun works or is build ,again good luck to you
I got my gun back from weatherby and the problem is still there.mine is a 20ga. So I talked to the guy at the store where u got the gun and he will reimburse me for the gun, as I told him I liked the gun as it fit me well. He's going to order another one for me and I said if it's like this one I'm returning I'm not obligated to take it am I and he said no and will give my money back, so in another week I'll see if the new gun is better, you don't have to shoot the gun as just putting in a shell in the bottom barrel and open and close it you will see the trouble, no need to shoot it
@@mikethacker3203 couple weeks ago in my local gun club was a guy with a Weatherby field 12 gage I politely asked him if he could take the gun apart and I find out that the breach ad a recess angle just like mine,apparently they are all the same,in order to see the functionality of the gun you must shoot the lower barrel,just putting a shell in the lower barrel and opening and close the action with out firing the gun will work fine,the problem starts after shooting.To my opinion the gun is not built the proper way ,if you can get the money back go for and buy yourself a better sporting shotgun
If you like this gun and all the thousands of great reviews by all means buy the gun; for me personally was not built the right way;and yes I sold my good luck to you
Sorry to say I sold my soon after i find out of that conditions ,as far as safety i don’t know ,my suggestion call Weatherby and try to get your money back which i was unsuccessful and buy yourself a nice browning or beretta ! Have a wonderful life and be safe
It's not so much the issue he is having- as gun to gun the tolerances are slighlty different. The bigger issue is it has an angle on breach face, that's more worrying having half the shell in limbo, that energy has to travel somewhere
@@ethand3577 i understand that- which is why its a design flaw and they know it's across entire range, ata obviously messed up geomtery on test guns and to solve it they programmed machining of an angle on face, a breach face should never not be in 100% contact with shell thats a bad design, i'd press them and get refunded thats an unsafe gun
This is an obvious design flaw. It will be different gun to gun as obviously minor tolerance differences, but looks like they messed up the geometry on test guns and programmed the design to mill that angle in for clearance rather than redesign the whole reciever, the fact half the shell is not sitting on a breach face is worrying, the mid rib on barrels looks like an after thought also to keep weight down from muzzle end. Cheap guns make be pretty but used quality over new cheap with warranty is sound advice,
I've owned a 686 Onyx Sporting in the past and it had no such issues, We have a child in our youth trap league that uses one of these I fully intend to question him at the next practice.
The beretta 686 onyx as notting to do whit the Weatherby Orin ,the 686 don’t have that problem and it is a much better gun, because it is built the proper way,and of course it cost double .looks like all the Weatherby Orin have that issue, if a person as no knowledge ow a shotgun is build or functionality will never know of that problem they think is normal,in my opinion is not thank you
@@tonydebellis4647 It's a Turkish knock off of the Beretta design, If they had done it right it would have been a great shotgun, However like I have seen with most Turkish copies of other high end shotguns they have fallen short Again.
@@richardsveum8452 you’re absolutely right if they had built right it would have been a fantastic gun for the looks the handling and most important the affordability especially know that the clay sport as become very expensive. Thank you for sharing your thoughts .You have a wonderful day
At Retail around $800.00 New 1500 rounds before you have any issues is pretty darn good. Looks to me and by this guys voice sound is he's got a temper. It appears that the brass impression that is left on the upper barrel is a victim of slamming the gun shut because you missed a lot of shots. Remember, this is not a Browning or Beretta. It's an ENTRY level starter gun.
@@ronaldgt1041 sir apparently you don’t have a clue on what i m talking about, unless you are a mechanical incline,the shotgun is shootable is the receiver face wrong; have you ever seen that recess angle on any other shotgun? I am a tool and die maker for over 50 years and believe me I know what I am talking about,all the Orion sporting have the same receiver which is wrong the receiver as to be flat no angle,the back of the shell should not interfere with the face of the receiver after opening the action,the design and the manufacture is wrong ,you can ask any gunsmith or someone that knows about shotgun.Yes the gun is chip I don’t expect to less a lifetime but I do expect to work properly, I strongly think the Turks made mistake on machining the receiver and Weatherby don’t want to admit
@@tonydebellis4647 I recently bought this Weatherby Orion. There were some problems in the beginning with opening the gun after shooting 50-100 rounds. I noticed that similar wear is on the receiver end but on the outer edge on both sides rather than the middle. I keep it well oiled and clean, it seems to be loosening up now (about 1200+ shots). I read the comment about talking to gunsmith, but I recommend replacement from weatherby if it is still being offered as it may turn out slightly better. Best of luck.
@@romyromeo300237 all the Weatherby sporting model are build the same and Weatherby doesn’t want exchange according to them the shotgun is fine;they all have the same problem in order to understand this; a person as to know the concept and and common sense how a firearm works the breach face as to be straight and the shell must sit completely flat if not it will be deformation of the brass part of the shell
Sold the Weatherby Orion and bought a browning CX , Weatherby didn’t want to deal with me ,told them that i will never buy another gun from them ,and yes very happy with the browning happy holidays
Hey Tony, good video and superior detective work. By now it's been over a year since you made this video and I hope the situation with Weatherby has been resolved!
Anyway, I just purchased this same gun (Weatherby Orion Sport) about a month ago and just inspected it based on your video. Being a new gun it's very stiff opening and closing, but it is slowly loosening up and I only have ~200 rounds through it. That being said, the receiver face is perfectly flat with consistent marks from shell casing impact. The lower barrel breach has a noticeable bevel/radius on the most bottom section to allow for proper opening and closing. I think you got a bad gun or Weatherby has updated the design to fix the problem you described.
Thanks for the very informative video.
Thank you for your thought,apparently Weatherby and turks fix the problem now you have a gun build the right way ,and yes the shotgun as to be tight when new that is normal,the idea is you want to break it in yourself,my situation is I am a retired tool and die maker and everything as to be perfect or better,as far as Weatherby I will never buy another gun from them: again! Enjoy your gun be safe and have a Happy Thanksgiving my friend
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Tony I think you are absoluteley right ,it is a company defect and they should fix it ,but can it be done without being to costly not sure that is why they are made in Turkey more profit .
Tony definitely knew what he was talking about and we Weatherby owners should all thank him for the video 'cause this video touched several serious points. However, it does seem to me that there are some mysteries about the problem. Here are my thoughts:
1) I don't suspect any people who reported the problem. However, it may be fair to say that MOST owners of this gun have not got this problem 'cause if not the case, in this internet era there would have been much noisier backlash against the gun.
2) I myself have this gun with a perfect flat receiver surface. Suppose my gun is a redesigned model that corrected previous flaw design, why many other early reviews did not mention this problem either?
3) If this was not a design problem, rather, it's a quality control problem, it's really hard to think that with today's much superior steel material and digital lathe/machining, a couple of degrees off-angle could result.
4) Could people who reported this problem please provide the serial number of their receiver/action? Such information would help us to see whether it's a specific batch of products that have this problem.
5) The official Weatherby responses reported in several previous comments gave the impression that Weatherby, at least its shotgun department, have no real shotgun engineers other than some import businessmen (probably with MBAs but not engineering degrees.) Also, they might try to tough out on a problematic batch of products due to some mistakes they made. This would be a VERY SERIOUS problem for ALL Weatherby gun owners 'cause it would be a company credibility problem. So far we have not got a conclusion but if it is the case, such problematic culture would definitely kill any company in the long run.
Thank you George for understanding the problem in this situation thank you for your comment
I have a stoeger condor 20 gauge over under and I have the same issue after I shoot about 15 to 20 in a session. This explains Why my gun does that. Been trying to figure it out. I'll check my lower and see if that's my issue. Very informative. Differnt guns, same issue. Thank you.
This is great investigative work using the artifact left by the shells upon firing. Good video! ‘To spec’ isn’t always correct
Tony. Thanks for the video. I have a Orion from Weatherby. After putting about 500 rounds or so through it, I started have issues with both barrels firing at the same time. And the forend stock was started to get more and more loose. I sent it back to customer service. They say forend stock wasnt cut right. Refitted with new one and made some adjustments for the double fire and sent it back . But, like before,after a few hundred or so rounds the issue has returned. Stock is no longer issue but its really unnerving when your only expecting 1 barrel to fire. Also have issues with light primer strikes every now and then. Now this of course is not the same issue you have but it was the same song and dance. After seeing issues I too now believe there is a quality control issue at least with these guns. Just thought I would share this with you.
John
Thank you john for sharing your situation for sure the turks should go in Italy or japan and learn how to build a shotgun;I sure hope Weatherby fix your shotgun and make you happy good luck and all the best
Hello Tony , thank you for the heads up on this problem . I was thinking of purchasing this particular model from Weatherby for clay shooting .
When I found out where it was made I kind of didn't want to purchase but the price is what attracted me more towards this model but after seeing your review I'm going to walk away .
Thank you ..
My Orion 20 gauge does the same thing. I didn't know until you said something but you are right. It's stiff to open
I bought a Weatherby Orion sporting two weeks ago.. I experienced some difficulty to open the break action after I shoot the under barrel for the first 150 rds, after that the action became so smooth. I love the gun.. I patterned the barrels and the shoot 50-50 with very well regulation. I bought it as a backup gun for clay shooting (Trap, sporting, five stand, etc..) I find myself grapping it on every clay outing so far.. Maybe because it is a beretta clone and it looks to me that Beretta styles fit me better..
Keep shooting the gun beyond 300 rds and tell us if it gets better..
So i had the same issue. Every empty shell it will cause drag and the gun wont break open as easy. Brought it to my local gun smith who i used plenty of times and what he found was just debris blocking the firing pin from retracting causing the shell to drag against the firing pin.Cleaned it out and been great no issues.
I have the same gun I’ve had for 1 year and 825 rounds through it. I’ve cleaned & greased it religiously. Same problem occurs with the bottom barrel. I took it to the gun smith @ Scheels and they had 4 “professionals” look @ it and said no problem. Everything is good. 🤦♂️. I’ve kindly explained to them I’m not making it up and other guns I’ve shot are not like this. Thanks for the video with the great explanation. Wish this info was out there July of 2020 when I bought this defect!
Mister White apparently this gunsmith that you took the gun to are probably weekend par time or amateur, a real gunsmith that knows and as knowledge how firearms works can tell that is a design flaw and Weatherby doesn’t want admit,again i personally think the turks made a mistake on the try unions pins and took a short cut by adding that angle instead of redesign a new receiver, the mistake I made was to buy on line ,if I would’ve this shotgun in my hands in a store I would never bought.I am sorry for posting this video late,best of luck to you my friend
Yes Sir I would have to agree with you. That is definitely a design flaw!
Tony we need more guys like you making good videos we can under stand ! I was just at Cabelas today and looked at the same shotgun like yours ($1600.) and decided to go home and do some research .
I am so glad I found yours . Not buying one now . I hope the CEO of Weatherby sees this video and contacts you and makes it right. You deserve a free shot gun on top of getting yours repaired.Seems like your not the only Orion buyer out there with the same problem . I just retired as a tradesmen and looking for a good entree level shotgun o/u . This will be my retirement gift to my self . What shot guns do you recommend me buying around the same price as a Orion. How about a Yidiz or a Kral
Please make some videos of your other guns ,likes and dislikes .
Sir i thank you for appreciating this video,i spoke with the president of the company Weatherby,the only thing that day would do was to exchange from 12 to 20 gage ,i don’t think they understand the concept or the way a shotgun should work,there for i give-up and and bought my self a browning CX 30 inch barrel which is good for all the clays sports,it does cost little more than $1,600.00 but it will lest a lifetime,another one is the beretta 686 silver pigeon sporting 30 inch also good for all clays sports,i think the cost is very close to each other.my suggestion is save a little more money and buy one of this,everyone at my club that owns one of this shotgun including me loves it, and yes this are entry level clay guns which area
also good bird gun.good luck to you on your purchase and happy holidays
Wow Tony I'm so sorry to hear Weatherby did not correct this problem and I'm shocked frankly and I will be contacting Weatherby as a long time customer about this problem for I to will not tolerate bad quality in expensive firearms. We shall keep the heat on Weatherby to replace your shotgun or blacklist there quality.
Glad i found this video! I was just getting ready to buy one.
NOT NOW!
Que absurdo meu amigo, a marca não poderia deixar isso acontecer JAMAIS!!! obrigado pelo alerta e vídeo.
I just bought an Orion Sporting, and the breech face is completely flat. The lower edge of the lower barrel has a radius, just as you described. So at some point, they must have changed the design. Also, the barrel-to-receiver fit is very tight, just as I expect any new o/u would be. I've only shot 1 box of shells so far, but already notice the action getting smoother.
Yes the breech face must be flat absolutely no angle; apparently they correct the mistakes and if this is the case now you have a shotgun built the correct way; happy and safe shooting my friend
Mine was fine till the gun heated up after 50 rounds. The tolerances are so tight that the metal expanded and tightened up. After it cooled down it was normal again.
I have around 3000 shells through it now, and it's been working great!
i have had a similar issue with my Orion. the wear on my breach face is not localized below the bottom barrel firing pin like yours. The wear on the breach face goes all the way from top to bottom down the center. it's obvious that the bottom shell rubs all the way down. it bends the bottom of the shell and leaves brass scrapings in the firing pin holes. i explained this to weatherby but they said the gun just tight and needs to be broken in. ive put 1200 rounds in and still have the issue albeit the issue isnt quite as bad. hopefully the issue will resolve itself after a few thousand more rounds. The gun shoots well but i feel dumb at the range when i have to break the gun over my knee to open it.
@@greekporsche928 even after shooting ten thousand rounds will not change the conditions of the gun ,Weatherby will not admit that they f…..up,if you can cope with that condition go ahead and have fun,in my case that was not acceptable,instead of getting sick over the gun,I sold my.thank you for your input enjoy the outdoors and be safe
Thank you for making this video, I was about to order one but now I will not!
I bought the same gun a few months ago. Mine did the same thing after I shot the lower barrel. The top barrel was fine. I’m mean it was very hard to open. After I shot mine for a couple months it started loosing up. Now both barrels do great. I’m very happy finish in function of this gun now. it’s the best over and under I’ve had the pleasure to shoot.
I have the same exact shot gun.
And mine does not have any issues.
I bought mine in Dec of 2020.
I bought the 20 gauge sporting in Sept 2024 before I saw this . Same problem. I removed the ejector for the lower barrel and put a shell in to inspect. The bottom edge of the shell protrudes beyond the barrel, which causes it to drag. Anyone thinking of buying one, should take a spent hull to the store and see if the gun will open and close easily with a hull in bottom barrel before buying.
@@kenkanarr1880 thank you for watching my video the problem of opening the action will happen after firing the lower barrel,if you are not happy sell and buy a browning or beretta good luck and be safe
Thanks for the video I was just going to order one from Sportsman's Warehouse you saved me lots of dollars. Why Weatherby didn't just give you a new gun our your money back is amazing bullshit from them.
I have the field version and had a problem with stiffness opening the action. Turns out he surfaces between the forearm and the receiver gaulled on one side but some sandpaper to take off the high beads and lots of grease fixed the problem. After your video I checked the geometry of the receiver face and found the top five eights of the bottom barrel perfectly flat with the top barrel but the bottom of the shell is not supported. The receiver face is machined so that the very bottom is recessed at one or two degrees. Also the bottom barrel is beveled like you described. I don't have any problems with the gun now after about 1000 rounds.
If you are happy with and the receiver doesn’t boarders you is perfectly fine,to me is not acceptable ,because of that i sold the gun ,be safe and happy shooting
Remember one thing when shooting low brass shells the problem will be even more because of the deformation of the brass upon firing
@@tonydebellis4647Based on some of the replies, Weatherby has changed the design to a perfectly flat receiver face so I'll be keeping an eye on it. Thanks for the heads up.
@@tonydebellis4647 Indeed I put a straight edge across the base of some spent shells and can see distortion across the base where it was pushed into the relief at the bottom of the receiver face.
Tony, I know exactly what you are talking about. Several years ago I bought a Rossi lever action rifle which had feeding problems so I took it apart and found that there was a defective part which was supposed to be slotted in order to slide freely through the retaining pin as the lever was stroked but because it was a poor casting it impinged upon that pin causing the hang ups. I sent the rifle back to the repair facility in Florida explaining the problem and after a month or so I received the rifle back from them and found that they had replaced the guides in the side of the receiver and I still had feeding problems . They did not replace the defective part( You could obviously see the the defect) and in addition one of the pins which held the assembly in place was broken and they still used it. Disgusting. That is what gun owners are faced with dealing with. Rossi is a trashy organization and everybody at that repair facility should be terminated. Its time we started scrutinizing the imports coming into this country .
I purchased the 20 gauge, and have the same exact problem, in fact I have seen some minor metal filings in the receiver, examining the fired shotgun shells, I’ve determined there coming from the lower part of the shell casing. I’ve tried three different shell manufacturers, and still have the same problem. Sometimes it’s so bad that I have to break the gun across my knee to open the action. My next plan of action is to try to use some sort of abrasive compound to polish the lower section of the receiver to get a little more space. So far I have about 4/500 rounds thru the gun, and it still binds up 6/7 times for every 25 shot. It’s definitely a pain in the ass
Yes it is very frustrating good luck to you if you can make it better
@billreeves7128 did you ever resolve? My new 20GA has same problem. With warranty center now, they said the are reaming lower barrel. Customer service has been outstanding. Let me know if you want the reps name/email.
@@jonreast no thank you i sold the gun and I’ll never buy a gun from Weatherby ever again,reaming the barrel is not the solution good luck to you
Yes, sir. İ had the same problem. Especially after slugs , i could not break the gun. i sold it. i was thinking the problem was firing pins. But as you said it may be the reason. Now i'm thinking to buy another over under. i am thinking akus or Akdas. but not Ata(weatherby). thank you.
Remember one thing the breach of a open action shotgun as to be flat; next shotgun you buy make sure it is flat no angle: I learn my lesson it will never happen again ;be safe and enjoy shooting my friend; thank you for your comment
I have owned a weatherby orion for over 1.5 years. I have a problem opening the bottom barrel, but only when shooting the cheapest walmart shells, with the steel bases. I have no problems with the better grade shells including AA's, Rem gun club, Fed top gun, etc. I have cycled some of these shells through my MEC grabber, which sizes the base also. They then run and eject with no problem. Check your ammo. I have over 4000 shells through my gun with no other issues.
The ammo chip or not should not make any different in a double barrel open action shotgun,maybe it would make a difference in a semi auto? I don’t know , however if your shotgun have the same thing that I describe in my shotgun is absolutely wrong; if you like yours more power to you I like my to be perfect or better. By the way I sold my I bought a browning much better gun, I will never buy another Weatherby shotgun ; thank you for sharing your opinion enjoy your shotgun and be safe
I have over 10 under and over shotguns. None of them have this problem with any brand of ammo or reloads. But, I don't have a Weatherby either. Some are Yildiz and have no problems with them.
I love my Orion sporting model in 12 gage that I had for about 6 months now, and I just purchased another orion o/u in 20 gage just today.
Unless they fix the breach face of the shotgun 12 or 20 gauge the problem will always be there;an a second thought if you are happy with that more power to you.be safe and stay well my friend
@@tonydebellis4647 My 12 gage did not have this problem , so it could be a quality control issue and they did not want to admit in your case.. Any ways I will be trying my 20 gage tomorrow and will post an update if it has this problem or not.. you got me worried now that it might be a hit or a miss
@@jamilalwan3327 sorry my friend I didn’t mean to scare you just sharing my experience of an old tool and die maker,maybe they fixed the issue you have a great evening and a fantastic Sunday
@@tonydebellis4647 on the contrary sir. I’m thankful that you took the time and the effort to share your experience. It is an eye opener for all of us that share the same hobby and passion for shooting and marksmanship. I am packing four boxes of 20 gage and hitting the trap range tomorrow. Let’s see what happens. I owe you a feedback whether bad or good. Just to toss my two cents in the mix.
@@tonydebellis4647 ok here is an update due. So I took the Orion 20 gage yesterday and I tried two types of ammo. The AA Winchester no 8 were perfect in both barrels. However when I used the federal slightly higher brass no 7 1/2 they were ok in top barrel but with the bottom barrel I was having hard time closing and opening the barrel just as u described. That started to distract me and I was stressed out thinking about it and I started missing clay breaks. Well I stopped later at a friends shop who is a gunsmith yo check it out. He measured things in the barrel and said there is a less than 1/1000 spec difference and that this is ok. He said federal ammo spec might be the problem but advised me to keep shooting it and if it is not loosened by around 200 rds to give weatherby a call and if they don’t want to fix it by that time he can do something about it. But he was very positive that the issue will be resolved by more usage. I left the gun in his shop to install a white front bead and a white middle bead to help me with my mount. I can’t see the brass bead in any lighting conditions. Well that was my experience today and wanted to share with you.
Nice Video, I took a Dremel Tool and cleaned up the receiver and it ia able to clear with No Problem! Our local gunsmith will not touch any gun that is made in Turkey.
Thanks for the video. I was thinking to buy one of those but now I rather spend a little more on a better shotgun.
Yes you’re doing the right thing ,I have browning and beretta I love them both thank you for watching and understanding my video ,be safe enjoy the sport
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Hello Mr. DeBellis, I have watched your video and agree completely. I would take your gun to a qualified gun smith and see if he will back you up with a written inspection of your problem. I wish you luck. Louie
Sir Louie thank you for watching my video and thank you for the suggestion I will talk to my gunsmith
@@tonydebellis4647 Hope this gets you some satisfaction sir!
I have the same gun in 20ga. Have not had a problem until today. Have shot approximately 400 rounds through the gun. The problem began when I used Federal 2.75 in shells. I am hoping that the shells are the issue. Not sure if you are experiencing the issue throughout a variety of ammunition. Thanks for the video.
Today I went to my gun club to shoot some trap and I noticed a Weatherby 12 gage field model,i told the gentleman that owned that gun the situation that i was having,I ask him if he could take the shotgun apart to see if the breach is the same my shotgun,and yes is the same with that recess angle and the lower shell was rubbing against the breach face:apparently that is the way that they have been building this shotguns to my opinion is not the proper way and I sold my i was using Winchester federal and gunclub ammo 1200 f/s if that condition don’t bother keep shooting and be safe happy new year 🥂my friend
I have a new Weatherby Orion Sporting. It got hard to open after 50 rounds. I think it is more very tight tolerances. once the gun heats up the metal expands and gets tight. Once my gun cooled off it was ok again. The temp in Texas is around 95 to 100 so it's already starting out warm before a shot is even fired.
Make sure you grease the shotgun properly and clean frequently it is very important: otherwise it will score be safe and good shooting
I purchased the same gun last year and have about 1200 rounds through it. I 100% know what you're talking about because I've experienced the exact same issue. I was hoping things would get better over time but I have not seen a significant change for the better. The gun is still tough to break open after firing the bottom barrel.
From the other comments it seems hit or miss. Maybe I should send it in for a replacement.
Mister Jeff the functionality of the shotgun will never change it don’t matter know many rounds will go true ,the receiver is a bad design and will be always hard to open the action after firing the lower barrel ,I am sorry that you have the same problem,i think if everyone that have this shotgun complain to Weatherby maybe they do something about.thank you for your opinion and good luck
Mister Jeff as far a replacement i also tried and Weatherby told me that the receiver on this model are all the same and the replacement was not necessary there is nothing wrong 🤨with the gun good luck my friend
wow i was looking at purchasing a sxs maybe not now eh? thanks
On the contrary i have a cz sharp tail side by side 12 gauge 28 inch barrel and I loved, used this gun for upland hunting is beautiful well made lots gun for the money
You’re watching a man smarter than all the gunsmiths at Weatherby
I have an Athena and an Orion purchased almost 30 years ago. The Orion does exactly as you describe and always has. Fire the lower barrel, and it seizes up and will not open. Weatherby has been no help and my local gunsmith won't touch it. So, I own a beautiful but worthless Orion. By the way - no problems with the Athena. Thank you for the video. I thought my problem was unique. Now I know it's not.
Hello Bryant I am glad that you agree with me the reason that I bought this shotgun is for when I take my guest to my local gun club,I normally shoot perazzi shotgun,never the less what brand as to be built properly and this is not the case ,sorry Weatherby this Orin shotgun is not good,best of luck to you Bryant be safe and enjoy the sport
HI Tony. Thanks for the video and information. I was considered this gun, but now I'm reconsidering. Hey Weatherby, are you paying attention?
Thank you Jay for understand my video because some people can’t comprehend the mechanic and the way things supposed to work; save little more and buy a Browning or Beretta ;Weatherby makes good rifles but shotguns? I know you get what you pay for but at the same time they need to be build correctly !Be safe and happy new year my friend
I have the same shotgun,same problem!
Call Weatherby and let them know how you feel about this problem
I've got the same gun, picked it up about a month ago. My son shoots a beretta 694 in competition. I've put several hundred rounds through the gun and have not seen this issue until I fired some Grand Italia mirage made by Clever. They seem to be an Italian manufacturer and I picked up five boxes of 7 1/2 shot ammo from Scheels. My son had the same problem though with his Beretta 924. This makes me think that the problem may not be the gun so much as the ammunition. I haven't seen this issue with Winchester AA, Challenger or Federal Blue box.
If the shotgun is build properly any kind of ammo chip or expensive should work fine any double barrel that i own works fine except the orin
By the way beretta makes the 694 i never heard of the 924 is that a new product
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Haha 😆 🤣 , you got me there, I knew it had a 9 and a 4 in it. There, fixed it.
I haven't noticed any of this yet. Mine is slightly tight since day one but not too much.
This shotguns are shootable is the building concept that is wrong that angle on the receiver should not be there the brass it needs to seat 100/ cent flat on the receiver ; the turks took a short cut on building this shotgun: it doesn’t matter ow chip the shotgun is it still needs to be build properly ask any gunsmith or any other gun company’s the reason that I have this shotgun is because I bought on line I never seen before if I would have seen in my hand I would never bought this is because I am a tool and die maker and i know ow guns work: tank you for your comment
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I see. Thank you very much. Mine is pretty new still, with time I will probably start to see problems with the lower barrel. It will take time because I am only a hunter, so not too much shooting is going on. I appreciate your effort to answer my simple comment. Best Wishes!
Just ordered one it will be here next week I’ll let you know if I have any issue
Do you have an issue?
@@davejones67 I don't think he will answer back but I just got one and I'm going to test it out tommorow
@@polaralpha5561 I ordered one too and should be here next week.
@@davejones6006 I just shot it yesterday and it war really nice, I was shooting from the bottom barrel and noticed that you have to aim a little under the bird to hit it. Overall its an amazing gun
@@polaralpha5561 Maybe if you raise the comb it’ll shoot higher. Pick mine up at post office today. Will shoot next Wednesday if weather is good.
I have seen this first hand. the lower barrel needs to be milled out .1000 for the shell to seat
It us a function of the geometry of the shallow action.
So Tony, what gun do you suggest on a similar weatherby budget?
I would look in to the cz line up of over under shotgun
So what happened? I think weatherby will replace
i sold the shotgun and i bought a browning CX, Weatherby didn’t want to give me a refund or exchange because they said that model are all the same.this past weekend at my local gun club the was a guy that just bought the same model shotgun and i checked the receiver and it is the same and for me is not acceptable
@@tonydebellis4647 I guess even buying a Churchill sporting is better than the orion
@@gregcameron9907 as long that doesn’t have the same conditions of the Weatherby but i am not too familiar with the Churchill,i would stick with beretta or browning
on a second thought if they offered a replacement then go for it.. I really like mine..
In your opinion, what is a good, reliable, AFFORDABLE over under shotgun?
My opinion is browning Citori cx 12 gage 30 “ barrels or beretta silver pigeon 12 gage 30” barrels hope this helps you
@@tonydebellis4647 browning and berettas around here. SKB also. o/u that cost less seem to have problems. there is a reason an o/u is $1100 new vs $1900 - $2600. Seems on the $1100 guns some shortcut was taken. We shoot a lot of clays, skeet, trap, sporting clays and you pretty much see only berettas and brownings other brands just dont hold up to clay shooting. I may shoot 100 shells per outing and use to have three outings per week. so 300+ shells per week. now a o/u used just for hunting, not that many shells shot in a season as compared to clay shooting. so some cheaper guns work for hunting but few withstand the rigors of clay shooting.
@@tonydebellis4647 Affordable to who?
I have run 3500 rounds through it, mainly WW, and other brands all low brass, lead target loads 1145-1250 fps. NO problems with my Orion Sporting. I see you have problems with high brass shells. Same on lower power ammo?
Yes I ad more problems with low brass,I did the video with the high brass and the deformation was less. Yes whit the lower brass was very hard to open the action after firing the lower barrel;in a open action shotgun high or lower brass chip or expensive ammo the open and close of action should be smooth, in my case was hard to open because of the design flow which is wrong. Thank you my friend for your shearing your thoughts enjoy your gun and be safe
Got that same gun with same problem, it's on its way back to Weatherby to be repaired. I'll know something in a few weeks
The face of the breach does it look like my x shotgun? It that is the case can’t be fix I sent my to warranty service and I even talked to mrs Weatherby and the gun come back the same way;the correct way to fix the problem is that day need to replace the breach with a straight face no angle, the way mrs Weatherby wanted to fix the problem was exchange shotgun with a 20 gage one meaning less pressure,I didn’t buy that so I sold the shotgun;yes post the results good luck to you and happy holiday
@@tonydebellis4647 I took mine back to the store where I bought it and they sent it back and we sent a spent she'll with the same markings as the video, so with that been said if it isn't repaired properly I'll ask for my money back..
@@mikethacker3203 good luck on getting the money back,I tried that to but mrs Weatherby said no the only thing she can do is exchange for a 20 gage because of less pressure and that would solve the problem,from than answer I totally understood that she and her gunsmith team don’t have a clue how a shotgun works or is build ,again good luck to you
I got my gun back from weatherby and the problem is still there.mine is a 20ga. So I talked to the guy at the store where u got the gun and he will reimburse me for the gun, as I told him I liked the gun as it fit me well. He's going to order another one for me and I said if it's like this one I'm returning I'm not obligated to take it am I and he said no and will give my money back, so in another week I'll see if the new gun is better, you don't have to shoot the gun as just putting in a shell in the bottom barrel and open and close it you will see the trouble, no need to shoot it
@@mikethacker3203 couple weeks ago in my local gun club was a guy with a Weatherby field 12 gage I politely asked him if he could take the gun apart and I find out that the breach ad a recess angle just like mine,apparently they are all the same,in order to see the functionality of the gun you must shoot the lower barrel,just putting a shell in the lower barrel and opening and close the action with out firing the gun will work fine,the problem starts after shooting.To my opinion the gun is not built the proper way ,if you can get the money back go for and buy yourself a better sporting shotgun
Maybe I should cancel but dang man, this gun has thousands of great reviews.
If you like this gun and all the thousands of great reviews by all means buy the gun; for me personally was not built the right way;and yes I sold my good luck to you
I have same gun, same problem!
Can't be safe.
Sorry to say I sold my soon after i find out of that conditions ,as far as safety i don’t know ,my suggestion call Weatherby and try to get your money back which i was unsuccessful and buy yourself a nice browning or beretta ! Have a wonderful life and be safe
I got my Orion a few months ago. It seems to shoot, open, and close fine.
I just got mine. Fired it first time today. Also no issues.
It's not so much the issue he is having- as gun to gun the tolerances are slighlty different. The bigger issue is it has an angle on breach face, that's more worrying having half the shell in limbo, that energy has to travel somewhere
@@ethand3577 i understand that- which is why its a design flaw and they know it's across entire range, ata obviously messed up geomtery on test guns and to solve it they programmed machining of an angle on face, a breach face should never not be in 100% contact with shell thats a bad design, i'd press them and get refunded thats an unsafe gun
This is an obvious design flaw. It will be different gun to gun as obviously minor tolerance differences, but looks like they messed up the geometry on test guns and programmed the design to mill that angle in for clearance rather than redesign the whole reciever, the fact half the shell is not sitting on a breach face is worrying, the mid rib on barrels looks like an after thought also to keep weight down from muzzle end. Cheap guns make be pretty but used quality over new cheap with warranty is sound advice,
I've owned a 686 Onyx Sporting in the past and it had no such issues, We have a child in our youth trap league that uses one of these I fully intend to question him at the next practice.
The beretta 686 onyx as notting to do whit the Weatherby Orin ,the 686 don’t have that problem and it is a much better gun, because it is built the proper way,and of course it cost double .looks like all the Weatherby Orin have that issue, if a person as no knowledge ow a shotgun is build or functionality will never know of that problem they think is normal,in my opinion is not thank you
@@tonydebellis4647 It's a Turkish knock off of the Beretta design, If they had done it right it would have been a great shotgun, However like I have seen with most Turkish copies of other high end shotguns they have fallen short Again.
@@richardsveum8452 you’re absolutely right if they had built right it would have been a fantastic gun for the looks the handling and most important the affordability especially know that the clay sport as become very expensive. Thank you for sharing your thoughts .You have a wonderful day
I had a american arm that was the same way I took a file to the face and been shooting it for 20 years it fine
Clearly if you're having difficulty opening it up after all those rounds fired something is wrong.
At Retail around $800.00 New 1500 rounds before you have any issues is pretty darn good. Looks to me and by this guys
voice sound is he's got a temper. It appears that the brass impression that is left on the upper barrel is a victim of slamming
the gun shut because you missed a lot of shots. Remember, this is not a Browning or Beretta. It's an ENTRY level starter gun.
@@ronaldgt1041 sir apparently you don’t have a clue on what i m talking about, unless you are a mechanical incline,the shotgun is shootable is the receiver face wrong; have you ever seen that recess angle on any other shotgun? I am a tool and die maker for over 50 years and believe me I know what I am talking about,all the Orion sporting have the same receiver which is wrong the receiver as to be flat no angle,the back of the shell should not interfere with the face of the receiver after opening the action,the design and the manufacture is wrong ,you can ask any gunsmith or someone that knows about shotgun.Yes the gun is chip I don’t expect to less a lifetime but I do expect to work properly, I strongly think the Turks made mistake on machining the receiver and Weatherby don’t want to admit
@@tonydebellis4647 I recently bought this Weatherby Orion. There were some problems in the beginning with opening the gun after shooting 50-100 rounds. I noticed that similar wear is on the receiver end but on the outer edge on both sides rather than the middle. I keep it well oiled and clean, it seems to be loosening up now (about 1200+ shots). I read the comment about talking to gunsmith, but I recommend replacement from weatherby if it is still being offered as it may turn out slightly better. Best of luck.
@@romyromeo300237 all the Weatherby sporting model are build the same and Weatherby doesn’t want exchange according to them the shotgun is fine;they all have the same problem in order to understand this; a person as to know the concept and and common sense how a firearm works the breach face as to be straight and the shell must sit completely flat if not it will be deformation of the brass part of the shell
@@ronaldgt1041 You are assuming.
So have em replace it and report back. If you won’t them replace it you have a sample of one. Doesn’t prove it’s an issue.
Cool
Just ordered one BEFORE I see this, smh....
What was the outcome
Sold the Weatherby Orion and bought a browning CX , Weatherby didn’t want to deal with me ,told them that i will never buy another gun from them ,and yes very happy with the browning happy holidays