The Problem With Side by Side Shotguns

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  • @AlexCausey
    @AlexCausey 4 года назад +743

    The only problem with a side x side Shotgun is the guy who doesn't want to own one..!

    • @shaunosby5093
      @shaunosby5093 4 года назад +14

      That's ok, I'll take his.

    • @georgehougiazos7001
      @georgehougiazos7001 4 года назад +23

      I own 16 shotguns and have 3 side by sides..they are classy guns..traditional and if you can learn to shoot with them then your on a winner

    • @georgehougiazos7001
      @georgehougiazos7001 4 года назад +6

      Yep a BENELLI auto in the pheasants..SMOKE EM

    • @aurora_-_
      @aurora_-_ 4 года назад +4

      Agree

    • @emmkay2513
      @emmkay2513 4 года назад +34

      Amen to that! Side by side is the classiest of all the shotguns in my opinion.

  • @jas20per
    @jas20per 4 года назад +212

    It is all true except for one thing when you miss with an over and under you just miss, with a side by side you still miss BUT IN STYLE!

  • @tripreed
    @tripreed 6 лет назад +613

    Someone needs to figure out how to ship all of these English side-by-sides to the US.

    • @bubbajones5905
      @bubbajones5905 6 лет назад +3

      www.vintagedoubles.com

    • @bubbajones5905
      @bubbajones5905 6 лет назад +50

      I just wish we could buy them for the prices they appear to be going for in the UK.

    • @MegaBoilermaker
      @MegaBoilermaker 6 лет назад +10

      @@bubbajones5905 I think that you have an import tariff/restriction problem.

    • @elemental4rce
      @elemental4rce 6 лет назад +3

      most of the quality english guns are already there!

    • @vincedunn9983
      @vincedunn9983 6 лет назад +14

      A couple hundred??? Last one I saw (in America) was about $1000.

  • @ophiophagus9933
    @ophiophagus9933 4 года назад +205

    Being an American, it blow my mind that y’all have all the fine English doubles over there and no one wants them.

    • @mattmartin1258
      @mattmartin1258 4 года назад +16

      Ian Ritchie thankfully it can make them cheap. I picked up a 1906 Cogswell & Harrison with the makers original case for 360 gbp and a Laurona with mint barrels for £75 😊 I like the fact no one wants them

    • @julienpharand-genest1839
      @julienpharand-genest1839 4 года назад +3

      @@mattmartin1258 how have found them ? I can only dream of a deal like that !

    • @annabeltheunicorn9374
      @annabeltheunicorn9374 4 года назад +6

      Just log on to uk gun trader you should see one you like. However its proberly your goverment who will charge you mega bucks to import one. Perhaps wait for a free trade deal . Just watch out some of those guns are a bit thin in the barrels and its not like Amazon with thier return policy. Come over some time when all this crap is over. Steer clear of London its a shithole and full of well spoken arseholes lol

    • @mrcaboosevg6089
      @mrcaboosevg6089 3 года назад +1

      The good thing is they're cheap but that also means a lot of them get scrapped

    • @1992jamo
      @1992jamo 2 года назад +1

      I recently inherited my grandfathers Charles Boswell S&S 12G. I've shot clays with U&O, but this thing I've got is a real thing of beauty. It's so well machined, hand etched, had tens of thousands of rounds through it, but still tight as new.

  • @kenaston4220
    @kenaston4220 6 лет назад +145

    My advice is...make sure you buy yourself a side by side......take it out sometimes and enjoy the experience of shooting it....ok, you clay score may not be as good with it, but the smile on your face is very good compensation.

    • @nigelkavanagh2048
      @nigelkavanagh2048 6 лет назад +2

      Very true Ken, I have won many clay shoots both down the line and sporting with my old AYA no2.and pretty handy at ducks and driven pheasant.

    • @burningcoal5705
      @burningcoal5705 4 года назад +1

      For me I shoot clays way better with my Double Barrel than I do with my Pump Action. Then again I practice the most with Double Barrel

    • @RagingOatmeal
      @RagingOatmeal 3 года назад +1

      I found I enjoy shooting my great grandpas sxs more than my rem 870wingmaster. Theres something about the whole experience of it. More enjoyable allnway around.

  • @441cessna
    @441cessna 6 лет назад +116

    The problem I have with owning six quality side-by-side, is I don't have nearly enough!

  • @stephensgate1
    @stephensgate1 10 месяцев назад +4

    I just bought a Parker 12 gauge SxS from a 88 year old man, his father gave it to him back in 1974. This is the first time it’s been out of the family since it was purchased new. It’s now 121 years old. It’s a beautiful gun, and my most treasured firearm.

  • @stephen9869
    @stephen9869 6 лет назад +174

    *Have you EVER seen an under and over sawn off shotgun? Side by sides are just cooler!!!*

    • @tgsoutdoors
      @tgsoutdoors  6 лет назад +17

      😂 😂 😂 😂 brilliant

    • @john-paulsilke893
      @john-paulsilke893 6 лет назад +5

      Come to Canada where they are legal assuming they were built that way and at least 26” overall. Still sxs look so cool although they push a little out of line when shooting especially the outside barrel, right barrel if you are a righty. It’s a very small effect but noticeable, however your inside barrel is better controlled in contrast, (at least for me, perhaps it’s my presentation?).

    • @jacobmccandles1767
      @jacobmccandles1767 6 лет назад +6

      In point of fact, yes. Chuck Norris used one in the movie "Hitman".
      Ol' Chuck made it look cool, but no, it didn't look right.

    • @manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069
      @manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 6 лет назад +2

      @@jacobmccandles1767 I heard that chuck was offered a side by side but it was a Baikal so he went for the under and over.

    • @druesirmons3841
      @druesirmons3841 6 лет назад +2

      Anthony Cribbs. You took the words out of my mouth lol

  • @MalcolmPowder
    @MalcolmPowder 4 года назад +43

    Pretty much everyone I have shot game with in the UK over the last 5 years shoots S/S. If you're talking clays then yes, O/U is used nearly 100% of the time. The problem with this video is that it is based on supply/demand in the market. That is not the same as usage in the field. I have 6 S/S shotguns, but how many have I bought or sold over the last 10 years? Zero.
    So yes, O/Us are more popular now, because of the reasons you mention, but to say that nobody uses them any more is wrong.

  • @jamesmasson5916
    @jamesmasson5916 5 лет назад +36

    With an over and under you get more birds, with a side by side you get more invites.

  • @kazoolordhd6591
    @kazoolordhd6591 6 лет назад +378

    when guns are so rare that you can name your gun shop the gun shop

    • @howey935
      @howey935 6 лет назад +33

      KazooLordHD unfortunately that’s the U.K. the silly cunts in parliament were even talking about banning knives.

    • @mungo7136
      @mungo7136 6 лет назад +4

      @@howey935 Thing is - to have with you on the street anything designed to cause harm (even a small piece of plastic rod) per-se is already illegal in UK as was many times explained. Trouble us that cunts in Europarlament (as was told in some news) are thinking about banning the possession of the knives they declare to be dangerous (and obviously, slowly expanding this ban in future).

    • @JohnDoe-iw7zc
      @JohnDoe-iw7zc 6 лет назад +5

      Yeah and its like playing mine sweeper with your life in Europe

    • @anton6529
      @anton6529 6 лет назад +4

      @@JohnDoe-iw7zc It's not really. More people have died of mass shootings in the US than of bombs in Europe.

    • @joew8013
      @joew8013 6 лет назад +2

      Antonbombom compare violent crimes in New York to London though

  • @paulrobinson272
    @paulrobinson272 5 лет назад +25

    For a classic side by side, you may want to consider a Birmingham made (and largely hand built) Wembley and Scott 700 series from the 1960's/70's. They shoot beautifully. Classic lines with low weight and very reliable

    • @heathsmith1537
      @heathsmith1537 10 месяцев назад

      I own a ‘74 W&S 700 and shoot with nothing else, beautiful bit of kit

  • @rupertmcnaughtdavis3649
    @rupertmcnaughtdavis3649 6 лет назад +116

    Elegant side by side versus bulky over and under? No contest for.me !

  • @maxcaysey2844
    @maxcaysey2844 6 лет назад +61

    My dream gun is a Holland and Holland Royal Side by Side... I'll never be able to afford it, but man are those some wonderful guns!

    • @AnthonyCribbs
      @AnthonyCribbs 6 лет назад +1

      my dream is an H&H double rifle that's royalty in a weapon

    • @bosstube9046
      @bosstube9046 6 лет назад +1

      My dream gun is an Auto 5 I own 3. 😁

    • @charlespayne2002
      @charlespayne2002 5 лет назад

      That's a fact

    • @annabeltheunicorn9374
      @annabeltheunicorn9374 4 года назад +2

      Better still a matched pair. Made and fitted just for you.

    • @anthonycapuano8554
      @anthonycapuano8554 2 года назад +1

      I tell people my H&H double is on back order…. Lost in the supply chain along with my Rolls Royce and my Patek Phillipe 😂

  • @warplease
    @warplease 4 года назад +24

    I learned to hunt birds with a pump gun. But when I became an adult my first shotgun I bought was a SXS. I just feel there is just something classy about a SXS

    • @kuessebrama
      @kuessebrama Год назад +1

      I want to have one too. I have an over and under but side x sides look way cooler in my opinion.

  • @wrxs1781
    @wrxs1781 4 года назад +10

    I enjoyed your article, and today how true it is. I recently had a comment that my side by side was a relic, in reality it was worth more than the car he was driving. I also very much enjoy hand loading for my older guns in either black powder or smokeless, all traditional with never a plastic wad and a roll crimp.

    • @michelt4390
      @michelt4390 3 года назад +2

      I wish there was easier/cheaper way to import a SxS from the UK...

  • @douglasmcneil8413
    @douglasmcneil8413 6 лет назад +37

    Here in the States, cowboy action sports keep the side by side alive in the market.

    • @OldeCountryHomesteading
      @OldeCountryHomesteading 4 года назад +4

      Its unfortunate that CAS larpers are the ones keeping it alive. Need to get the wingshooters shooting sxs again.

    • @rockordnance
      @rockordnance 4 года назад +1

      @@OldeCountryHomesteading I just bought one , just in time for this years pheasant season. There is just something so elegant about an English stock, splinter forend and double triggers. Dam its sexy!

    • @blakedavis2447
      @blakedavis2447 3 года назад

      Old timers like double barrels for hunting in the states.

    • @douglasmcneil8413
      @douglasmcneil8413 3 года назад

      @@blakedavis2447 Well, I guess I'm kind of an old timer. 😊

  • @engineer6250
    @engineer6250 6 лет назад +10

    As an aside, my brother in law was over from Cyprus recently. From what he tells me the value of side by sides has held over there. When I was showing him the online prices of AYAs’ over here he was close to tears.

  • @Yalnif5200
    @Yalnif5200 6 лет назад +42

    It always amazes me when someone comes up and says that a certain gun is a problem or no good. It's usually a gun that has been around longer than the person who has this wealth of information and literally thousands of units sold to shooters around the world. So enjoy their cute little stories about how little they know about the gun they feel is below their standards and enjoy using it long after they fade away

    • @vincentking9980
      @vincentking9980 Год назад +2

      An interesting observation. My first shotgun was a side by side, with external hammers, and two triggers, and fixed choke barrels.. basically I had a wider sighting plane, and INSTANT choke selection, plus visual reference as to which barrel was cocked, lol! I do like the idea of a hammerless side by side, with interchangeable chokes, and two triggers :) I've got nothing against under and overs, but I've never used one myself.

  • @karlsailor
    @karlsailor 6 лет назад +18

    I don’t mind having a lower score at sporting clays. Love my sxs’s, and I hope my daughter does when she’s old enough to shoot.

  • @UntitledSpaghetti2
    @UntitledSpaghetti2 4 года назад +13

    I love side x side shotguns. I love the feel, balance, and vintage appearance. I find the wider, shallower forearm is more comfortable in my hand than the narrower and deeper forearm of over/unders.
    CZ just started marketing their Sharptail 28 gauge with 3" chambers. It just made my bucket list for grouse, woodcock, and chukar.
    As far as semi-autos go, I'm not a big fan, but my Remington 1100 Sporting .410 may be my favorite gun. I love the clean lines, soft recoil, and buttery smooth action. I can run 90+ clays on a 100 bird course with it.

    • @calebrambis1775
      @calebrambis1775 Год назад

      Same here. I've been eyeballing the CZ Bobwhite G2 in 28 for my next toy.

    • @sdriza
      @sdriza Год назад

      Have an 1100 in 20... might be my fave too

  • @dr.hugog.hackenbush9443
    @dr.hugog.hackenbush9443 6 лет назад +14

    Ive only owned, and will allways own, double triggered SxS. I do not like the "feel" of a O/U a d dont really trust a single trigger. SxS just feels more natural for me.

  • @Wanderingwalker-ke6mg
    @Wanderingwalker-ke6mg 6 лет назад +14

    So if you’re more competitive go for for the over/under, if you’re more relaxed and just enjoy a shoot, grab a side by side 🤷‍♂️

  • @myleschilton3473
    @myleschilton3473 6 лет назад +43

    Side by sides for me. Just as effective and much more pleasant.

    • @bosstube9046
      @bosstube9046 6 лет назад

      Not as pleasant as an Auto 5

    • @myleschilton3473
      @myleschilton3473 6 лет назад

      bosstube Yeuch.

    • @bosstube9046
      @bosstube9046 6 лет назад +1

      @@myleschilton3473 I have no idea what that means

    • @frankserra6709
      @frankserra6709 4 года назад

      Just bought a 99%/never shot Urgartechea Model 30 SxS, 28" barrels choked F&F, Case Colored Boxlock action with scroll engraving, includes original leather sling and beautiful dark wood. Paid $850., plus shipping total under $900., and DON'T HAVE ANY REGRETS...From what I've read, this 30 preceeds the new reopened Urgartechea Family name businesses and is now called the model 40. I've seen pictures of both and I'll take my 30 over the new 40. Where can we SxS Aficionados find these UNWANTED & UNFULFILLED....Urr Shotguns in England or here in the USA ?

    • @redroverredrover5311
      @redroverredrover5311 3 года назад +1

      I have CZ Coach gun ordered and only needs me picking up.It has 20 in barrel,3 in choke,hammers....now Im not so sure its such a prize.

  • @fenlandladoutdoors6877
    @fenlandladoutdoors6877 6 лет назад +9

    Just before the start of this game season I bought a sxs. Nothing special (asi game gun) and it was purely to scratch an itch. I had a couple of mornings on the clays to get used to it and shot really well with it. And I've got to say, I love it . I shoot well with it, it's lighter than my o/u, and there is a real traditional feel about it. The only thing I don't like is the chokes are a bit more open than I'd like at cylinder and 1/4. Would have preferred 1/2 and 1/2. Anyway, sxs fan here keeping the dream alive lol.

  • @richardt.4224
    @richardt.4224 3 месяца назад +2

    I still watched this video, even though I was sure I knew what you were going to say AND I was right, spot on.
    I’m old school, well I should be, I’m 70 years young. I’m an English Ex Pat living in New Zealand and soon got
    into duck shooting on Lake Ellesmere in Canterbury and that was thirty odd years ago. But I was shooting my
    bag limit by morning tea! So, I turned to muzzle loading shotguns, not only to lower my bag but also to enjoy
    the art of shooting waterfowl a lot more.

    It is sad, that quite a few people think shooting a bag loads of game with one of these modern U/O shotguns
    is the bee’s knees. I wish they would take a step back and have a days shooting with a good SxS or even like
    me, a days pheasant shooting at Craigmore Station on beaters day and only shoot half a dozen with a single
    barrel percussion shotgun. Just imagine shooting a high pheasant with a muzzle loader or a nice SxS, the
    satisfaction is just imminence and the memories will stay with you for a long time.

  • @RobertoDonatti
    @RobertoDonatti 6 лет назад +8

    This is good news for us old fogeys that love side by side guns! I find that a SS is much lighter than an O/U, and, down here, beats are unheard of, we shoot over pointer dogs, so that implies a lot of walking, thus, a lighter gun is just the ticket.

  • @stevezephyr
    @stevezephyr 6 лет назад +5

    I bought an Aya Yeoman to accompany my OU and semi auto, 35 to 40 years old, cost £150, great condition and great fun, but I'll agree that with me not being the best shot in the World, I do miss more than with the OU or semi auto, lovely to look at as you say and great to have one sat in the gun cabinet.

  • @georgesheffield1580
    @georgesheffield1580 9 месяцев назад +3

    The problem with SxS is with the owner / shooters competance

  • @harrywebb946
    @harrywebb946 6 лет назад +27

    I’m 17 and I’ve pretty much only ever shot sxs, I started when I was about 6 on a single barrel 410 just to get the ropes in a wood with my dad and quickly moved into an AYA sxs 28 bore, I took that to my first ever driven shoot and that was what I was dropped into. A few years down the line I was claying with a mate and he’d just got a 20 bore berreta and I had a try and it was different to my AYA but I just preferred the feel of a sxs so I stuck with it a few years back now when I was 13/14 I tried out my dads AYA sxs 12 bore and I was hooked after that a year later my grandad gave me his BSA sxs 12 bore (which was my dad first 12 bore and also my grandads first gun he bought) and I was hooked i still use it to this day and I love the look surprised people give when they see someone my age shooting a sxs still

    • @stevenward6453
      @stevenward6453 6 лет назад +2

      Good lad I love side by side's have shot with every thing from a 410 too an 8bore double side by side 12 and 10 bore autos Beretta over and unders in 12 and 20 bore but nothing on this planet shoots more natural than a good side by side that fits you just don't think you just shoot keep it up man brilliant

    • @jamesfairmind2247
      @jamesfairmind2247 6 лет назад +4

      Congratulations, you are a discerning man of taste and not a sheep who simply follows what everyone else does.

    • @idleonlooker1078
      @idleonlooker1078 6 лет назад +1

      Good on you!! I've used both u/o and sxs- and for me nothing compares to a lovely side by side!! Classy and elegant for sure - and yet so beautiful to use!! 👍

    • @bosstube9046
      @bosstube9046 6 лет назад +1

      Pick up an Auto 5 you'll never touch a SxS or OU again

    • @flyingtigers7856
      @flyingtigers7856 4 года назад

      @@bosstube9046 are you able to make any other comment???

  • @43hawker
    @43hawker 6 лет назад +19

    I wonder why all the best shots in the world shoot over and under's, surely they must all be wrong.
    It was considered very unsporting to use a breech loader when the muzzle loader was in fashion.
    It's called progress guys!

    • @Shelldrakeaus
      @Shelldrakeaus 6 лет назад +1

      Well said. It's like when you pull out a metal chassis long range rifle and all the crusty old men turn up their nose.

    • @bobmasencup5819
      @bobmasencup5819 5 лет назад +4

      It's not just about the destination but about the journey. Once you fish with a fly rod you will understand this. You catch fewer fish but the ones you land are infinitely more rewarding. Same with the SxS. If you're going to war, use the semi-auto. If going for the enjoyment, use the SxS. A souped up muscle car will get you to your destination faster, but a Rolls Royce Corniche will make the trip a hell of a lot more enjoyable. Slow down and enjoy the journey my friend.

    • @rustyshackleford17
      @rustyshackleford17 5 лет назад

      @@bobmasencup5819 I never understood the SxS fetish. If you like them, cool. However, there isn't some mystical properties about them that makes you sit down and write poetry about trees blowing in the wind and seeing shapes of fluffy animals in the clouds...

    • @bigrich7026
      @bigrich7026 3 года назад +1

      I used to work at a shotgun shooting range. Clays, trap, skeet and some 8-13 station monster machine my boss made up (which the big machine was nice cause I pulled from the seat and just hit proper combo of buttons) when there was a disagreement or someone thought they were hot shit he would make me hand throw ritz crackers. I think it's time to get out the Ritz cracker thrower guys..

  • @littlewing7813
    @littlewing7813 3 года назад +2

    I have the Stoeger uplander 12 gauge with 28" barrels also rated for steel shot . 3" chambers. Cylinder, modified, modified/ improved and full choke. I love it so far 9 ruffed grouse and a pheasant this hunting season.

  • @adamgonzalez7450
    @adamgonzalez7450 6 лет назад +18

    With an over and under you get more birds. With a side by side you get more invites.

  • @richardcranston1833
    @richardcranston1833 6 лет назад +5

    I believe your right on all accounts. I'm new to shooting but I have an o/u and a semi auto. But I want a side by side just like my father had. My local shooting grounds you may have 1 or possibly 2 shooting a s/s but very rare. I'd say over the last year 60% are o/u the rest are now semi auto's.

  • @GenScinmore
    @GenScinmore 3 года назад +11

    That .22 Eargesplitten Loudenboomer on the top right shelf tho :o

  • @scottnathanphoto
    @scottnathanphoto 6 лет назад +5

    Good video. Thank you. I live in the states and shoot very challenging walk up in the mountains. The reason I take my sxs more often is the weight savings. I take more punishment in recoil, but I don't shoot it as often as a target gun. I don't shoot any gun better or worse than another. I've done the work and know how to shoot. What I believe will be the death knell for Edwardian & Victorian guns will be the ban on lead (as we now have in California). I did just pick up a Dickinson 20 bore. 20ga. Light. Double trigers. Full set of thin wall chokes.

    • @tgsoutdoors
      @tgsoutdoors  6 лет назад +1

      With the ban on lead, is it only steel that has really taken off? We still sell limited quantities on bismuth and tungsten matrix load

    • @scottnathanphoto
      @scottnathanphoto 6 лет назад

      @@tgsoutdoors We have steel, tungsten matrix and Hevi-shot. The trouble is that steel while inferior with respect to density and killing power is still affordable. Hevi for example is around $50.00 per box of 25. Bismuth is a bit cheaper and more old gun friendlier. That said, if one cares, it's a very toxic substance.

    • @franksmith8210
      @franksmith8210 5 лет назад

      We tested some bismuth shells last year here in central California on quail and they did fantastic. That's what we plan to use this season.

  • @sofalugger
    @sofalugger 6 лет назад +11

    Oddly I own Both types, and my scores are virtually identical, Remember you don,t `LOOK` at the barrels its 80% out there and 20%-ish. . barrels You point a shotgun not `aim` hence good fit and eyes (?) Fashion has caused this trend. I also shoot Auto`s Seemples to shoot, and don,t knock you about. . its horses for courses . , go and try BOTH (3)!!

  • @sam_barris
    @sam_barris 5 лет назад +5

    My dad is a big fan of the over and under. Give me the classic side by side any day.

  • @engineer6250
    @engineer6250 6 лет назад +9

    I’ve got an AYA Yeoman and enjoy shooting it. My safe queen at the moment is an unused 20b Tempio light. I think most people nowadays tend to have a number of different shotguns for different uses, a pump or semi for instance for wildfowling, an over and under for clays and a side by side for rough shoots and Days. Let’s face it, for the price of a weekend away you can pick up a nice S xS, why not buy one and preserve another shotgun for the next generation?
    Next purchase for me is probably a sidelock.

    • @eric44707
      @eric44707 6 лет назад

      Engin Hussein how do you like that tempio. I just picked up a 20b Magnus. Not a safe queen though. I’m gonna hunt it. But cautiously. Lol

  • @mchughcb
    @mchughcb 6 лет назад +4

    Mobile chokes. Steel proofed. Single trigger. Pistol grip. Great features on a side by side. Hmmm sounds like a fabarm classis 12.

  • @teaplease39
    @teaplease39 4 года назад +9

    You had me at tradition. Take my money.

  • @bigben9100
    @bigben9100 6 лет назад +16

    I must be the exception to the rule then...got an O/U (double trigger) and a Semi in the cabinet, next purchase will definitely be a sxs...why the heck not? They're just prettier!

    • @roeng1368
      @roeng1368 6 лет назад +1

      They are very light if you are rough shooting over hilly ground where the going is hard. Every ounce counts if you are carrying a gun for hours.

    • @bosstube9046
      @bosstube9046 6 лет назад

      Nothings prettier than an Auto 5

    • @johnm3907
      @johnm3907 6 лет назад +1

      bosstube are you married to your auto 5? And its a spud ugly gun

    • @bosstube9046
      @bosstube9046 6 лет назад +1

      @@johnm3907 no but I've yet to find a woman that can match her looks

  • @Britishshooter
    @Britishshooter 6 лет назад +9

    On a technical level, there is no question that an Over and Under is more effective for the everyday shooter. However. I shoot with both but I always enjoy a Side by Side far more for several reasons. Firstly, it is far more elegant and Gentlemanly, and if I don't kill quite so many birds then the relatively small difference in score is a small sacrifice for shooting with some style and grace with a wonderful piece of craftsmanship and sense of history, rather than with an intent of cold industrial slaughter. In my experience those in the gun-line who only think about kill ratios are not the sort of people you would want as friends (and they nearly always drive flash cars and seem very insecure) I mean, if you just want to kill then what does that say about you?

    • @tgsoutdoors
      @tgsoutdoors  6 лет назад +4

      Feeling a lot of people got the wrong impression of this video - pro- side by side revival video is a must

  • @wIndstar47
    @wIndstar47 2 месяца назад +1

    Say what you want 😏! Side-by-side shotguns are the things to be & get. For one, they look way cooler than over & under shotgun 2nd it holds more class to have a side-by-side shotgun in your hand and 3rd, the older the side-by-side shotgun is the better. Especially the ones with hammer pins showing . . . . .

  • @howey935
    @howey935 6 лет назад +3

    My grandad taught me to shoot with a side by side from a moving sidecar on his motorcycle when I was about 12 or 13.

  • @adamknoblock7303
    @adamknoblock7303 3 года назад +2

    I am one of the few people that actually shoot better with a sxs. It might be because I started with one. Plus I think they just look so classy.

  • @alexbrowne5510
    @alexbrowne5510 4 года назад +4

    Would love to see you do a review on the Stoeger Uplander/Longfowler sxs

  • @jeramyh9344
    @jeramyh9344 4 года назад +1

    My father in law owns a late 1800's side by side coach gun(I call it that because his Grandfather work the stagecoaches for Wells Fargo in Salt Lake City, Utah, USA.)
    As far as I know it has not been fired since the 1940's. He has other shotguns and just has the Side by side as a historic piece.

  • @jasonprotaszczak8011
    @jasonprotaszczak8011 5 лет назад +5

    I learned to shoot with my grandad sitting on the back of the tractor with his old SXS. There will always be one in my cabinet to keep the memories alive.
    Nothing quite like pulling out a 100 year old hand build sxs at a shoot and banging away next to the O/U crowd.

  • @ssazerac
    @ssazerac 5 лет назад +1

    I shoot a 1912 German Hubertus 16 Bore SxS... I love it. It is a handsome piece that exudes charm and style. Shooting it says so much without me saying a word.

  • @carbonatedmilk7920
    @carbonatedmilk7920 6 лет назад +12

    This video did exactly the opposite of what it was supposed to

  • @tonynapoli5549
    @tonynapoli5549 4 года назад +1

    You are a brave man fair comments
    I’m old school side x side for me
    I can shoot equally I find no advantages or disadvantages. Thanks for sharing 👍👌🦆

  • @18Europe
    @18Europe 5 лет назад +27

    Totally disagree, side by sides are making a comeback!

    • @abdullahal-shimri3091
      @abdullahal-shimri3091 5 лет назад +2

      like the fountain pen or film photography

    • @la_old_salt2241
      @la_old_salt2241 4 года назад +1

      @@abdullahal-shimri3091 Some of us still write with fountain pens also thanks.

    • @Thisisahandle701
      @Thisisahandle701 3 года назад

      @@abdullahal-shimri3091 lol 👍

    • @416loren
      @416loren 3 года назад

      I just bought one. CZ Bobwhite, 28 ga.

  • @peted4866
    @peted4866 3 года назад +2

    "People don't learn to shoot walking the hedge rows with their Father, Uncle etc" paraphrased, but that pretty sums up more problems than this video could possibly cover.

  • @lanmastersassistant659
    @lanmastersassistant659 5 лет назад +4

    I prefer the satisfaction of get from hitting something with my side by side than I can ever get from my over under browning

  • @burningcoal5705
    @burningcoal5705 4 года назад +2

    My double barrel is the first gun I've ever bought and I'm really happy with it. Its never once jammed on me, had a problem, and I can use 9mm adaptors to practice target shooting in a normal range. I also love the ability to turn on safety since I need to be able to sling it over my shoulder and walk around while hunting. Most shotguns don't have a safety you need to have the shell unchambered.

    • @wholeNwon
      @wholeNwon 4 года назад

      I've never seen a shotgun without a safety and I've been around for a while. Long ago some pigeon ring guns were built without them.

    • @juto8809
      @juto8809 11 месяцев назад

      My guy where do you find a shotgun for hunting without safety?

  • @oliverallen5324
    @oliverallen5324 6 лет назад +48

    I like the triple barreled :D

    • @dalekidd420
      @dalekidd420 6 лет назад +4

      I hope you're talking about a European-made Drilling, because Chiappa's "Triple Threat" is an overweight, awkward POS... It feels like a fencepost and weighs more than a fully loaded "tacticool" pump gun with extended mag tube and half a dozen ridiculous add-ons hanging from the forend!

    • @genericclass4058
      @genericclass4058 6 лет назад +2

      Look up Lancaster Quad Barrel

    • @Goatboysminion
      @Goatboysminion 6 лет назад

      Love the Chiappa!

    • @dalekidd420
      @dalekidd420 6 лет назад +2

      @@Goatboysminion Beauty is in the eye of the beerholder... I find them overweight, unbalanced, and ugly.

    • @diamonddog257
      @diamonddog257 6 лет назад +1

      from Canada :
      screw you air-heads ...
      I was invited to a great manor house ... outside London;
      To ostensibly purchase a 'new-old' triple barrel ..
      [ and it was all 20g .... Not a drilling ]
      - and 150,000$ [CAN]
      Similarly ....
      I was strong enough to lift and point a 4-bore Double ......
      Now this was 'Sporting'

  • @dperk1757
    @dperk1757 3 года назад

    Good video. My answer, you need both because there is nothing like shooting a beautiful old side by side with a double trigger.. makes me smile and reminds me of when I started shooting.

  • @tabasajustinjakej.7715
    @tabasajustinjakej.7715 6 лет назад +8

    I'm not gonna lie I want to own a SxS so that I can pair it with my snub-nosed .357

  • @darylwegrzyn4053
    @darylwegrzyn4053 3 года назад

    I'm 22, been a sgc holder since 13, I started to shoot with silver sabel in 20g and when I moved up to 12g I was shooting a Davidson sxs, John macnab highlander, 1871 William Rochester Pape and a franchi affinity 1. I have always regretted selling my silver sabel and when I was buying cartridges yesterday, I seen a 12g silver sabel deluxe for sale. Immediately picked it up and felt at home with it. Its now in my cabinet! I will always use sxs, I shoot better with them and prefer the look of them. So much so that I will soon be parting with the macnab highlander

  • @roguesqadronairsoft
    @roguesqadronairsoft 6 лет назад +5

    As an American, both over/under and side by sides are no longer popular, it's all about semi-autos

    • @elgringo5137
      @elgringo5137 5 лет назад

      RogueSquadronWeapons sucks considering the reliability comparison. I hope the oxu's and sxs's come back around for that reason.

    • @jacobmccandles1767
      @jacobmccandles1767 5 лет назад

      RogueSquadronWeapons as your fellow yank I would say that has a lot to do with game populations and publicly available hunting. Given a limit of 8 partridge, 4 grouse, 3 pheasant, and 15 doves, 7 ducks, 4 dark geese, and 7 snow geese, and a very good chance of bagging much of this on the same day or two, semis make sense. Having a 3rd, 4th, 5th, and sometimes 6th round on board is nice when quail or partridge provide a loose flush. They also ease the recoil of heavy 3" and 3 1/2" duck and goose loads, or an active day in a dove stand or at the trap club.
      I like my doubles, but my self shuckers and trombones get more play.

    • @jacobmccandles1767
      @jacobmccandles1767 5 лет назад

      Anti Federal there was a time when the LAPD used Stevens SxSs for serving high risk warrants. #4 in the first barrel, and #4 Buck in the other. Something about doubles being appropriate for dangerous game, be it beast or man.
      ...and yet now we see semi-autos in the same roll, with lives at stake, in spite of the fact that shotguns tend to settle the matter with just a round or two.
      I can only surmise they have improved.
      Would I be afraid to use a double barrel for that purpose? I have, and no (though no shots were fired). Would I be afraid of a well maintained self loader? Also no.

    • @roguesqadronairsoft
      @roguesqadronairsoft 5 лет назад

      @@jacobmccandles1767 well you see, my comment was supposed to poke at bongistanis about not being able to own semi auto shotguns, or at least without tight control.

    • @jacobmccandles1767
      @jacobmccandles1767 5 лет назад

      RogueSquadronWeapons i confess I had temporarily forgotten about that.
      Indeed, the biggest reason for those of us on the left side of the pond is: because we can.

  • @Madpiere
    @Madpiere 4 года назад +2

    I love my side by side I own a beautiful 16 bore very pretty slim gun. And I can hit anything I point at. I have semi autos too but always end up picking my s/s. Plus you can keep your over and unders horrible bulky lumps of wood.

  • @Cavemanheartrock
    @Cavemanheartrock 6 лет назад +4

    30-40 quid for a side by side? dayummmmmmm they go for so much more here in the US than our pump or semis are even on par with over and under price wise.

  • @ohlordy2042
    @ohlordy2042 Год назад

    Which is EXACTLY why I have bought two, old, beautifully crafted side by sides.
    An enormous return in beauty and hand-made, old school, gunsmithing craftsmanship for a very reasonable price.
    Oh...and I also have a run-of-the-mill, CNC machined, production line over/under for actual competition.

  • @jasonbeary8427
    @jasonbeary8427 6 лет назад +3

    From what I'm seeing here in the 'colonies' (America) is that SXS's are getting a BIT more prevalent. Certainly, O/U are more numerous. Automatics are becoming the default shotgun.

  • @glennkon
    @glennkon 2 года назад +1

    That declining demand has forced prices to lower on double barrel side by sides for product lines to stay sales competitive. I took advantage of that, and in doing so, I have had very good experiences with the Churchill Akkar 500 series, long barrel, wood stock, side by sides. They are beautiful, simple, and affordable machines, and I love the tradition associated with them. The build quality is fantastic, but it is hard to teach people to use them, because, like you said, they have an unconventional sight picture. They are viewed as an interesting yet almost decorative antiquity by most people at the range, even though they aren't old guns. They perform perfectly and reliably for harvesting game, and have fed me well for many nights, but I feel that in time, they may be something left only to rich firearms collectors and museums. Thanks for the video~

  • @inhumanfilth681
    @inhumanfilth681 6 лет назад +7

    The best posotive of the side by side is that it looks awesome

  • @paynectygardener2033
    @paynectygardener2033 Месяц назад

    This pheasant hunter has enjoyed hunting in Nebraska and Kansas many times and side by sides are always the choice to harvest the beautiful birds while enjoying being with good friends and dogs!

  • @RyanHyman1989
    @RyanHyman1989 6 лет назад +4

    Agree with all points here. However, I’d add another reason I didn’t consider a SxS as my first gun - the only ones that were available were much older and much more likely to require work on them. The second-hand OU was only a few years old and much less likely to cost me money in repairs in the next few years. It was a similar attitude to buying my first car - I had an average budget, would have considered anything, but the running costs were a big factor! I would love to try a newish Parallelo and would definitely still consider buying a SxS

  • @whitey8374
    @whitey8374 5 лет назад

    Alays give u guys a thumbs up cuz ur shows amazing. Ive only had a license for past three years and always wanted a sidebyside because its where it came from. First gun was a 690 field 3 because i saved up for it but always wanted a side by side. Im definitely coming to ur shop for my first side by side so look forward to seen you

  • @wholeNwon
    @wholeNwon 4 года назад +3

    A day in the field with a truly superb double at a bargain price is certainly worth the cost of bismuth.

  • @oddriceman
    @oddriceman 5 лет назад

    I got a lamber over and under and shot with it for about 3 months. In this time i began to hate it and walked into my gun shop and there was my H. Clarke & Sons S x S. Ive been shooting it for about a year, and while it has a full bore choke (aka no choke at all) i still can make those occasional 40-50 yarders, and i love every second i’m holding it. I don’t think i’ll ever get rid of it!!

  • @johnm3907
    @johnm3907 6 лет назад +6

    Still the best looking guns though.

  • @mattmartin1258
    @mattmartin1258 5 лет назад

    I collect side by sides and have one over and under. My first gun a year ago was a Thomas Bland all original from around 1925 for £600. Picked up a Cogswell & Harrison from 1906, again all original, with original makers box for £360. Don’t get me wrong I like taking the over and under out as my old man purchased it new about 3 months before he passed away last year. But there’s just something satisfying about hitting things with a gun over 100 years old. It never fails to amuse me when people look over my cheap side by sides

    • @wholeNwon
      @wholeNwon 4 года назад

      Inexpensive but not "cheap".

  • @wackedoutdude
    @wackedoutdude 6 лет назад +3

    I think the next big thing will be semi auto's. My brother as been saying it for ages. It won't be long before you see them on game shoots. There design allows more tech to reduce recoil ect.

  • @leec12
    @leec12 6 лет назад

    I have shot O/Us since I started shooting 30 years ago. Current main gun is a Superposed I recently picked up a Merkel sbs and I'm finding that it fits well and it shoots as well as my O/Us on our club sporting ground. Putting a recoil pad has helped with recoil, with factory loads, and also fits me better now. I usually hand load 7/8 oz and it's a pussycat with these loads and the clays still break. Paid about 175 stl which is crazy as a new merkel is about 1500 over here.

  • @guardsmandan695
    @guardsmandan695 6 лет назад +8

    Well they have no appreciation for the classics

  • @walterwright7896
    @walterwright7896 Год назад

    I have learned on all types of flat shooting sxs o/u pump or semi great video ,
    most people go with their first gun type.

  • @StuartOliver83
    @StuartOliver83 6 лет назад +3

    I shoot sxs and an in the market for a sensible £400 job so let me know next time you’re throwing one out👍🏻🇬🇧

  • @gino_jihai
    @gino_jihai 5 месяцев назад

    1) The main advantage of a side-by-side over a single barrel gun (either over-and-under or semi-automatic) is the user having an enhanced "double" view when aiming at a target, reducing the shooting time. This is particularly useful when hunting in the woods where you have narrow spaces and visibility.
    2) Conversely, having a single barrel increases the shooting time, but allows you to be more precise as with a side-by-side you may incur in misalignments. This is the reason the latter is never used in clay shooting.
    3) In conclusion: side-by-side guns are better for short distances ( below 30 meters), over-and-under above 30 meters.

  • @fuzzlenuff
    @fuzzlenuff 6 лет назад +4

    I'll keep my Coach Gun.

  • @wholeNwon
    @wholeNwon 4 года назад +1

    Of course, you're absolutely right. But I once brought a 110 yo English double to a friend's skeet club. Before I left just about every man there had asked to shoot my gun. They eventually used all of my black powder shells. One asked whether the gun might be for sale! They were all shooting O/U, some of which were very expensive examples. Most of my shotguns are SXS and so they will remain.

  • @TheGamingBurger734
    @TheGamingBurger734 4 года назад +4

    Why side by side? Because Doom.

  • @kengray5793
    @kengray5793 2 года назад +1

    Would love to see some of those old SxS’s available in the US. My dad has a German 16 gauge and I just bought my first 12 gauge. I love them….

  • @AdamPerkinsPhD
    @AdamPerkinsPhD 6 лет назад +3

    Good video - I think it is horses for courses. I have a big heavy Nikko O/U trap gun with which I can shoot clays for hours without recoil fatigue but it's a couple of pounds heavier than my Webley & Scott 700 sxs, hence the latter is harder on the shoulder but easier to carry. Both shoot equally accurately when I do my part, but neither are as accurate as my two Browning Auto5s. The reality is that the semi-autos are a superior design to either design of double barrel gun because they have a single barrel, with no parallax between shots.

    • @joaolitos
      @joaolitos 6 лет назад +1

      Finally someone who nows something about guns... The rest all kids , probably they never shot a gun

    • @manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069
      @manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 6 лет назад +1

      @@joaolitos You really are a dick

  • @simonpamplin5714
    @simonpamplin5714 6 лет назад +1

    I have both SBS and O/U and shoot clays with both - they are very different but both very special to shoot. Great opinion piece.

  • @GWLAD
    @GWLAD 6 лет назад +4

    I took your advice and bought a Baikal side by side IJ58 not a bad gun

    • @MegaBoilermaker
      @MegaBoilermaker 6 лет назад

      I have a 50 year old Baikal 16 gauge hammer gun that is as tight as the day I bought it new.

    • @GWLAD
      @GWLAD 6 лет назад

      Lilac Tortoise well that’s your opinion and your entitled to it

  • @danhill6333
    @danhill6333 6 лет назад +1

    OMG. John you're killing me. I found an AyA No.1 that looks to be in very nice condition for under half of cost new.. I was considering it. Now I'm not so sure. Maybe for the better. I can spend the money on more shells and a few hunting trips. Thanks for your honest take on the subject.

    • @elemental4rce
      @elemental4rce 6 лет назад +1

      find a decent #2 for 700-1200 if you can, great solid guns and heavy enough to use all day but still feel nice to use and also usually have 2 3/4 chambers if you feel that's relevant for you

    • @danhill6333
      @danhill6333 6 лет назад

      @@elemental4rce Sadly that may be a tall order in that price range here in the USA. AyA doesn't seem to be as available and prices on gunbroker are a bit above that range. I will keep my eyes open. Thanks for recommendation.

    • @elemental4rce
      @elemental4rce 6 лет назад +1

      @@danhill6333 didn't realise you were in the U.S! I think a lot of expensive English guns go to America collectors now but I don't know what the average market for sbs are like in America. Hope you find something :)

    • @danhill6333
      @danhill6333 6 лет назад

      @@elemental4rce SxS are definitely a niche market in the US. It's the same here as Johnny describes in England. Originally the only reason I both a SxS was to shoot two vintagers matches a year. But as I've been watching more videos like The Gun Shop and others I'm getting more interested in SxS especially nicer ones that are within my budget.

  • @pistoleer3572
    @pistoleer3572 6 лет назад +3

    I only ever use a Semi or a Pump gun on Game / Pigeon shoots, or in the Field

    • @oltsah7629
      @oltsah7629 6 лет назад

      Shot many years with an over under, never touching one again. They are in no comparison to pumps or semiautos.

    • @bosstube9046
      @bosstube9046 6 лет назад

      @@oltsah7629 try an Auto 5 handles and points kinda like a mix of both

  • @MrLiapisp
    @MrLiapisp 4 года назад

    A very honest opinion about SxS and O/U. I am 54 years old, and learn how to shoot with my dad's guidance and an old Krupp hummer SxS. People today go to shooting instructors and more guns brake clays than shoot birds. So people learn how to shoot with O/U and because they mostly brake clays they tend to stay with them.
    I shoot both O/U and S/S and I am equally bad braking clays with both types and I enjoy both in the field.... but I ALWAYS go back to S/S why? because I learned how to shoot with one of them. Same with young people today they learned to shoot with O/U they stay faithful to them.
    But I am afraid soon O/U will go down the SxS way and get replaced by semi-autos. Already in the States when they say "shotgun" they mean a semi-auto.

  • @timkelly633
    @timkelly633 6 лет назад +4

    I much prefer a sxs for practical reasons. They're more comfortable to carry broken over your arm, the cartridges don't fall out or partially fall out like in the top barrel of an OU, so when you go to close the gun to take a shot the gun won't close. They're easier to load too. The double trigger and auto safe are great features that take only a few moments of practice to become second nature to use, oh yeah, and they look much better too! I've a perfectly good beretta that sits in the cabinet unused and a semi auto with even more dust on it. If is shoot less accurately with a sxs than an ou it's by such a small percentage that it's unrecognisable in the field, maybe if you were keeping score clay shooting it would be there, but that's of little interest to me. Everything about an sxs is more pleasurable to use, in my eyes.

    • @ljp200
      @ljp200 6 лет назад +1

      I have a very hard time seeing any of your points I must admit.
      More comfortable is a matter of habit, you hold a over and under a bit different, sxs tend to be a bit lighter weight so that may make a difference.
      I have no idea how you manage to have cartridges fall out.
      If the gun won't close you have a defective gun.
      Loading is a pure matter of practice on the different systems, I have seen as many students have problems with a sxs as an over and under. Personally I can use all systems and have thousands of rounds of training in both O/U and sxs.
      Auto safe is standard on any over and under game gun, what you describe are clay guns and if you prefer there are over and under guns with double triggers like there are sxs guns with single triggers. Managing the safety is to be automatic when you raise and lover the gun from shooting position meaning in an optimal world you would never use the automatic safety on either a O/U or a sxs.
      Looks are purely a matter of personal taste so no critique there ;)
      Everyone are to use whatever they see fit them better and I do have students that from the start prefer sxs and all the better, but I have

    • @timkelly633
      @timkelly633 6 лет назад +3

      @@ljp200 If you're rough shooting and have a broken but loaded OU then the cartridge in the top barrel of the OU can move so that it's not fully in the chamber, you then try to close the gun and the cartridge stops it from closing. If you don't rough shoot or shoot walked up you wouldn't have the issue, but I can't be the only one who's had that trouble with an OU?

    • @manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069
      @manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 6 лет назад +2

      @@timkelly633 Instant barrel selection on a double trigger gun is an advantage not to be overlooked as well mate. I love a traditional gun myself.

    • @joaolitos
      @joaolitos 6 лет назад

      You don't own any gun

    • @manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069
      @manofkentcatapultsgunsando5069 6 лет назад

      @@joaolitos ONLY 9.

  • @redlightbulb
    @redlightbulb 6 лет назад

    Iv been shooting sxs since a very young age, and have only ever used a o/u once on a guest day I didn't know I was shooting on. Even though I would love to buy one, I keep picking up my old Holloway and naughton because it works and looks so damb sexy.

  • @ezzyfish
    @ezzyfish 2 года назад

    After 15 years of hunting and multiple shotguns I went back to 80 year old W. Wolf German hand made side by side 16 gauge. And guess what it,s awesome!

  • @ulsterinfidel9897
    @ulsterinfidel9897 6 лет назад +1

    I recently just applied fur my FAC and the shotgun I got is a miroku 500. I have noticed young people like myself in my county is actually starting till use more side by side more than their dads generation. I dont know if its because it is the lack of gun clubs here or it's the cheapness

  • @LawrenceDuckworth
    @LawrenceDuckworth Год назад

    My Remington 1900 12g and Stevens/Savage (Fox plant) 16g and Stoeger 20g side by sides are my favorite doubles. Are "beak accurate"
    more than my three O/U guns. But, my Browning A5 16g is my #1 favorite. I just change barrels (chokes). More than my Benelli SBE3.

  • @rufusriley5473
    @rufusriley5473 4 года назад

    I'm very fortunate because on the shooting etate that I live on nearly the whole team of guns are side-by-side and it's really a splendid site to watch and shoot with

  • @PaulAnthonyDuttonUk
    @PaulAnthonyDuttonUk 4 года назад +1

    This is one of those paradoxes such that when you ask some one Glock or CZ, all say CZ, yet most own Glocks(well not here) even though price is comparable.

  • @joeogden5907
    @joeogden5907 6 лет назад

    I've just got an aya sxs to shoot in the field. Do I hit as much? Am I that bothered? Do I look f*****g awesome swinging a sxs? Yes i do! I love it.

  • @kearneydillon4803
    @kearneydillon4803 2 года назад

    I just bought another SxS last night. It is a 20ga coach gun. I have a couple of 12ga O/U with removable chokes, several pumps in every guage, 2 semi's that I use for ducks. But there is nothing more handy than a short double barrel as a camp gun for bears.

  • @AF-O6
    @AF-O6 2 года назад

    Had I known side x side prices had dropped, I’d have gone shopping when on holiday in the UK. I will for sure in future trips.