Hello cult members. This is one of my favourite new concepts I've learned this year. Enjoy! 00:00 Intro 01:26 Expectation Effect & Placebo Effect 07:33 How the Mind Imitates Illness 16:19 Applying the Placebo Effect 27:40 Expectation Effect on Sleep & Ageing 33:49 Why Do These Effects Exist? 41:26 Does Willpower Deplete? 51:38 Contagious Expectations 58:44 Applying the Expectation Effect 1:04:41 Where to Find David
I had a sudden occurrence of really bad IBS back in 2010. I got prescribed a medication. It immediately helped my symptoms and then I decided to read the leaflet to the medication and it said icing sugar. It instantly stopped working, and then I discovered the placebo effect. Visualising and if you can lucid dream this really helps with real life results
This reminds me of EFT. The Emotional Freedom Technique, aka 'tapping'. It's used by people to treat anxiety disorders. I wish I didn't think that it was total bollocks now 😢
I had no idea what tapping was, but a heilpraktiker used the technique with me and I had a very heavy experience of deep mental torment coming out of me. It was shocking. An hour after the session I started shitting and puking, like all the darkness had to come out of me. So yeah, the only real way to know if something works on you is to try it. The drops the heilpraktiker gave me to take after the session I don't feel had any effect (possibly because they are dissolved in alcohol, and my body doesn't like alcohol, so taking the drops feels like the wrong thing to do) Do the experiment. That's the only way to see
The French example is not really a mystery and therefore doesn’t necessarily require a ‘framing’ explanation - saturated fat is simply NOT unhealthy. That is old dogma! It’s junk and processed food - high fat and sugar combinations that have no fibre and are nutrient poor, too much grazing and large quantities - the French tend not to eat that way, so their better health is entirely consistent with that fact
Great work Chris. I could read the books you cover, but struggle to commit the time. Audio books would be faster, but Modern Wisdom and Chris Williams podcast condense these books into a discussion just over an hour with the main takeaways thoroughly explored! My number 1 RUclipsr!
This is why I've said for a long time that the increasingly graphic and absolute warnings on cigarette packets, could lead to an increase in their harm.
now that's an interesting thought! Maybe the fact that America has so many tv commercials for "medicines" is one of the reasons why America is only the 35th healthiest country in the developed world?
I believe the man with the electric wand was Fran Anton Mesmer if so it was magnet's not electricity. Mesmer is the The founder of mesmerism,a precourser to hypnosis. Hence the term mesmerizing someone.
This Kind of reminds me of these fantasy movies where the protagonist is being told do this miraculous thing you just need to believe! I.e expect it to work
This was a very interesting episode, but disappointing that they talked about the vaccines but not the virus. We've been bombarded with fear the last two years, with daily death tolls, constant footage of people hooked up to machines in hospitals, etc etc. Seems to me that this is a perfect example of the psychological power of expectations! The CDC reported anxiety and fear-based disorders as the second highest contributing factor to death with Covid! Since the start of this year I've seen more of my vaccinated friends catch Covid than the unvaccinated. More worrying, the vaccinated are suffering worse than the unvaccinated (seven to ten days of sickness compaired to an average three days) None of my unvaxxed friends have been worried about getting sick, whereas I have to assume my vaxxed friends were if they were willing to be injected multiple times with barely tested new technology. So can I assume it is their fear of the virus that is making them have a worse time once infected? I am pretty shocked at how David's idea of "vaccine injury" is people having a "sore arm" for a few days. Many people have been crippled for life by these vaccines! Maybe he should take a look at some of the shocking things that have happened to people worldwide: www.jabinjuriesglobal.com/ With over 450 people in the UK alone going blind after receiving the shots, I think that dismissing vaccine injuries as a "sore arm" shows he knows very little about the subject.
he definitely didn't know what he was talking about when they got into that section, I think the fault lies with chris there, suddenly yanking the conversation in that direction when the other guy didn't really know what he was talking about when it came to it
More people are gluten sensitive because in the 50s they started inflaming foods with preservatives and junk and Americans started eating more bread and carbs. So over time more and more people become gluten sensitive, this is how humans evolve overtime.
@@user-zk6fc3dw9e no but your body definitely adapts to stimulus very quickly. Go eat McDonald’s 5 times a day for a year and tell me If you haven’t gained 20 lbs lol
Is it possible that the placebo effect is - in part - a convenient get-out-of-jail free card for scientists who don't want to tweak or challenge the current paradigm. For example, French people "should have high levels of cardio-vascular disease... and yet they don't..." Must be the placebo effect!!
The problem with this kind of science is it measures correlates and implies causation. Which is BS. We don't know if there is a causal relation between correlates and even if we did we don't know which way the chain of causation goes. For example, people with "good sleep" who complain tend to have the symptoms of insomnia? OK, that's interesting, but how do we know it's because they complain that they get the symptoms and not that they complain BECAUSE they have symptoms of insomnia despite getting "good sleep"? It's entirely plausible that the way we measure quality sleep is flawed and that, in fact, those people, despite sleeping 8 hours a night, feel tired anyway. The causal chain could be completely reversed from what is assumed.
All good except the braindead take on perpetual skepticism. Being skeptical is not the same as being eminently optimistic, and it does not require “just as little brain power”. Being skeptical is literally the act of remaining neutral until you have engaged with and been convinced or dissuaded by the evidence. It is precisely the opposite of reaching a conclusion hastily. Cynicism should have been the word used throughout, and I have no idea why he switched it.
Here you go, being too negative and making yourself upset over nothing. It's a simple mistake or misspeaking, not a "braindead" take. I guess the guy should've said pessimism rather than skepticism.
Idk why but lately chris has been expressing views that make me quiver and question what I think of him haha You can’t make a judgment on the validity of the psychedelic experience if you’ve never done them. And if you think from first principles.. there’s no way the ritual is setting the expectation for the experience.. there was a patient 1 who didn’t know what they were getting themselves into by eating a mushroom or licking a toad.. it was random occurrence. They did it and boom their world was rocked and then they tell others and slowly you have people tripping and trying to make sense of the feelings, visuals, and existential data they are receiving. People are so quick to invalidate anything that’s spiritual with logic and reason haha And the reason you set intentions and do these rituals beforehand is because of you don’t and you go into a psychedelic experience Willy nilly.. you’re going to get freaked out and not know how to process what you’re even seeing or feeling aka BAD TRIP
Hello cult members. This is one of my favourite new concepts I've learned this year. Enjoy!
00:00 Intro
01:26 Expectation Effect & Placebo Effect
07:33 How the Mind Imitates Illness
16:19 Applying the Placebo Effect
27:40 Expectation Effect on Sleep & Ageing
33:49 Why Do These Effects Exist?
41:26 Does Willpower Deplete?
51:38 Contagious Expectations
58:44 Applying the Expectation Effect
1:04:41 Where to Find David
"Now and then it's good to pause in our pursuit of happiness and just be happy." -Guillaume Apollinaire
I had a sudden occurrence of really bad IBS back in 2010. I got prescribed a medication. It immediately helped my symptoms and then I decided to read the leaflet to the medication and it said icing sugar. It instantly stopped working, and then I discovered the placebo effect. Visualising and if you can lucid dream this really helps with real life results
How is this guy not getting more views… this is great informative content
doesnt matter, no of people seeing the video doesnt matter, what matters is the extent and quality to which the people who watched are effected
This reminds me of EFT. The Emotional Freedom Technique, aka 'tapping'. It's used by people to treat anxiety disorders.
I wish I didn't think that it was total bollocks now 😢
If it works it does not matter the means 🤷♂️
I had no idea what tapping was, but a heilpraktiker used the technique with me and I had a very heavy experience of deep mental torment coming out of me. It was shocking. An hour after the session I started shitting and puking, like all the darkness had to come out of me. So yeah, the only real way to know if something works on you is to try it. The drops the heilpraktiker gave me to take after the session I don't feel had any effect (possibly because they are dissolved in alcohol, and my body doesn't like alcohol, so taking the drops feels like the wrong thing to do)
Do the experiment. That's the only way to see
Mildly hilarious when science catches up with what spiritual people and practitioners have known since dirt: We create our own realities.
FR
The French example is not really a mystery and therefore doesn’t necessarily require a ‘framing’ explanation - saturated fat is simply NOT unhealthy. That is old dogma! It’s junk and processed food - high fat and sugar combinations that have no fibre and are nutrient poor, too much grazing and large quantities - the French tend not to eat that way, so their better health is entirely consistent with that fact
I am learning so much from this channel.. thank you!
Great work Chris. I could read the books you cover, but struggle to commit the time. Audio books would be faster, but Modern Wisdom and Chris Williams podcast condense these books into a discussion just over an hour with the main takeaways thoroughly explored! My number 1 RUclipsr!
Thank you Chris for having David Robson on... such good news for all of us.
How are those studies not in every single newspaper? This episode is crazy, great content!
because newspapers carry advertising for pharamcutical products?
This is why I've said for a long time that the increasingly graphic and absolute warnings on cigarette packets, could lead to an increase in their harm.
now that's an interesting thought! Maybe the fact that America has so many tv commercials for "medicines" is one of the reasons why America is only the 35th healthiest country in the developed world?
I believe the man with the electric wand was Fran Anton Mesmer if so it was magnet's not electricity. Mesmer is the The founder of mesmerism,a precourser to hypnosis. Hence the term mesmerizing someone.
@@EJS1972 your welcome 😁
You forgot to mention He was an outright fraud.
Very cool topic. Also both guys are genuine and knowledgeable so it makes the video soooo credible
This Kind of reminds me of these fantasy movies where the protagonist is being told do this miraculous thing you just need to believe! I.e expect it to work
The way to get started is to quit talking and begin doing. -Walt Disney
Walt Disney was a p3do
The setting during a psychedelic trip is important. Aka bad trip in Amsterdam when people aren’t speaking English to you.
06.38 the diet heart hypotheses has been debunked for years. Saturated fat does not cause heart problems.
Also, correlation is not causation.
I wish the French Paradox was not used as an example, saturated fat is protective against cardiovascular disease so there is no French Paradox.
This was a great podcast! Appreciate the nudge on the email this *monday* morning 😉
The kid from Charlie & the Chocolate Factory grew up so fast!🥲
This was a very interesting episode, but disappointing that they talked about the vaccines but not the virus.
We've been bombarded with fear the last two years, with daily death tolls, constant footage of people hooked up to machines in hospitals, etc etc. Seems to me that this is a perfect example of the psychological power of expectations! The CDC reported anxiety and fear-based disorders as the second highest contributing factor to death with Covid!
Since the start of this year I've seen more of my vaccinated friends catch Covid than the unvaccinated. More worrying, the vaccinated are suffering worse than the unvaccinated (seven to ten days of sickness compaired to an average three days) None of my unvaxxed friends have been worried about getting sick, whereas I have to assume my vaxxed friends were if they were willing to be injected multiple times with barely tested new technology. So can I assume it is their fear of the virus that is making them have a worse time once infected?
I am pretty shocked at how David's idea of "vaccine injury" is people having a "sore arm" for a few days. Many people have been crippled for life by these vaccines! Maybe he should take a look at some of the shocking things that have happened to people worldwide: www.jabinjuriesglobal.com/
With over 450 people in the UK alone going blind after receiving the shots, I think that dismissing vaccine injuries as a "sore arm" shows he knows very little about the subject.
he definitely didn't know what he was talking about when they got into that section, I think the fault lies with chris there, suddenly yanking the conversation in that direction when the other guy didn't really know what he was talking about when it came to it
Awesome episode thanks Gents
Yes, now if only it worked or didn't work for everyone.
I get what he’s saying, but with the France thing, couldn’t saturated fat just be… I don’t know… good for you? Maybe?
Killing it man i love it!! Check out the book biology of belief also epigenetics
Appreciate you guys. Check out Sevan Bomar when you get a chance. YOU are way more powerful than you know .
Proverbs 23:7
More people are gluten sensitive because in the 50s they started inflaming foods with preservatives and junk and Americans started eating more bread and carbs. So over time more and more people become gluten sensitive, this is how humans evolve overtime.
Evolution doesn't happen that quickly on humans.
@@user-zk6fc3dw9e no but your body definitely adapts to stimulus very quickly. Go eat McDonald’s 5 times a day for a year and tell me If you haven’t gained 20 lbs lol
@@Bolden47 Agreed, but evolution and adaptation are very different. Based on your second comment, I'm sure you understand that.
Looking into Mesmerism would be interesting!
Science slowly catching up to the law of attraction.
No,it’s really not.
He addressed that whoo nonsense earlier in the interview.
Are these studies from intro checked well and replicated?
Is it possible that the placebo effect is - in part - a convenient get-out-of-jail free card for scientists who don't want to tweak or challenge the current paradigm. For example, French people "should have high levels of cardio-vascular disease... and yet they don't..." Must be the placebo effect!!
They're required to run placebos
If he dropped the word “like” out of his vocabulary, this conversation would only have been 37:40 long.
Great conversation, but his nutrition information is lacking. The French are in better shape preciously because they eat more saturated fats.
This guy was told he'd be more popular with lots of likes. He misunderstood.
So Anime was right all along
The problem with this kind of science is it measures correlates and implies causation. Which is BS. We don't know if there is a causal relation between correlates and even if we did we don't know which way the chain of causation goes. For example, people with "good sleep" who complain tend to have the symptoms of insomnia? OK, that's interesting, but how do we know it's because they complain that they get the symptoms and not that they complain BECAUSE they have symptoms of insomnia despite getting "good sleep"? It's entirely plausible that the way we measure quality sleep is flawed and that, in fact, those people, despite sleeping 8 hours a night, feel tired anyway. The causal chain could be completely reversed from what is assumed.
48:06
He's not wrong ab that caffeine effect
The double slit experiment.
Wow, I guess it's true. Expectations are really powerful. For instance, I expected this video to suck, and it really, really does!
🤣🤣🤣
Brah is it that bad , just started
All good except the braindead take on perpetual skepticism.
Being skeptical is not the same as being eminently optimistic, and it does not require “just as little brain power”.
Being skeptical is literally the act of remaining neutral until you have engaged with and been convinced or dissuaded by the evidence. It is precisely the opposite of reaching a conclusion hastily. Cynicism should have been the word used throughout, and I have no idea why he switched it.
Here you go, being too negative and making yourself upset over nothing. It's a simple mistake or misspeaking, not a "braindead" take. I guess the guy should've said pessimism rather than skepticism.
@@kingkefa7130 he did talk about pessimism as well, this guy's just getting antsy
The like like like like is too much for me
too many likes
Didn’t notice it until I read this. Damn expectation effect
Idk why but lately chris has been expressing views that make me quiver and question what I think of him haha
You can’t make a judgment on the validity of the psychedelic experience if you’ve never done them. And if you think from first principles.. there’s no way the ritual is setting the expectation for the experience.. there was a patient 1 who didn’t know what they were getting themselves into by eating a mushroom or licking a toad.. it was random occurrence. They did it and boom their world was rocked and then they tell others and slowly you have people tripping and trying to make sense of the feelings, visuals, and existential data they are receiving. People are so quick to invalidate anything that’s spiritual with logic and reason haha
And the reason you set intentions and do these rituals beforehand is because of you don’t and you go into a psychedelic experience Willy nilly.. you’re going to get freaked out and not know how to process what you’re even seeing or feeling aka BAD TRIP
This is child talk to a metaphysician