Do You Need All These WARCRY Books?
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- Опубликовано: 19 ноя 2024
- FIVE new books for Warhammer Age of Sigmar Warcry dropped last month - what do they do? Do you need them for your armies? And what does it mean for the future of Warcry?
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Warhammer players: "You said no more books"
GW: "We said no, more books"
I was saying boo-oks
Ha, I like you. You're funny
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Grammar can be a fickle bitch...
And imagine how flustered we'd all be if those books had 10 different languages like the card packs do! :-)
I was so confused when I opened my first pack and realize I only needed two of the cards in that thick pack, haha.
True...Now they reach other regions by translating the books. More book sales, but at least it’s less waste...
Yeah, they’d be some thick books. Thanks for watching!
Why would you be flustered? This is a way to cut down on production costs by only having one SKU for many regions. Board games do this. Zombicide always had 5 languages in the box.
Never understood this complaint.
I'd be way more flustered that the card packs are completely useless now. Money wasted because GW couldn't figure out what the hell they wanted to do.
Yeah, but when they translated books on russian and quality is beyond bad. The books in russian is way harder to understand for russians than the books in english. And add to confusion, they translated all the unit names. Unconventionally. That they do not do often in other translated books. And the units names translated badly.
I honestly believe they'll do themselves a disservice in the long run. People will wait for the self contained games like the new warhammer quest, rather than essentially having to play a subscription based rules service to be able to keep up with a game.
But then the expansions
@@darksquirtle3041 true, but I guess these could be optional, whereas competitive play for warcry might require you to have the myriad books on order to participate.
@@SpymasterGaming my original set of warcry is still in the box under the bed.... maybe one day.
Subscription-based service (which is all the rage these days, sadly) is an apt descriptor, actually. Thanks for watching!
You're completely right. I'd be interested in Warcry but it seems quite bloated and a bit overwhelming to get into. I've very much enjoyed blackstone fortress; once you have the original set it's easy to follow and pretty much pick and choose what expansions you want to buy. I plumped for escalation and will get ascension too. 3 boxes with everything that's needed; easy.
I'll wait for the new WQ I think as a fresh game to get into.
The new Grand Alliance books include all the rules for monsters, including challenge battles for recruiting monsters in campaign games, so that half of Monsters & Mercenaries has been superceded too.
I'm just looking at getting into Warhammer as aw whole and Warcry seems to be the best way. Thank you so much for this video.
It's been said before "A hamster has a longer life expectancy than a GW rule book".
I updated Battlescribe yesterday, Warcry v30 in Battlescribe and it has all the new units. Just build a list using some new Bonereaper stuff, excited to try them out! :p
As a relative newcomer to all things warhammer, all these books are just offputting. I have a limited budget for hobby and would rather spend it on the models and supplies especially as the books have no guaranteed life span.
I’ve recently discovered Rangers of Shadow Deep and other rules-only systems that allow you to use whatever models/terrain you want. One book. Skirmish campaigns. Creative freedom
Get a resin printer then sub to some patreon and myminifactory
Infinity has free rules online and with a free app.
If you own fantasy miniatures already and terrain, Frostgrave is a fun skirmish ruleset you can get for free
And THAT's why they put out so many rulebooks!
@@swordssolitude3861 there's a whole industry of indie tabletop games like Rangers of Shadow Deep and Frostgrave that are miniatures agnostic and don't require you to buy a new book once a year. Some of them are Zona Alfa, Reality's Edge, Pulp Alley, Dragon Rampant, Song of Blades & Heroes, etc. :)
These are books that should have been released right at the beginning when Warcry dropped. Great to have them now.
And to think, at one point I was worried about Necromunda getting a new book every few months.
It's a living ruleset which is kinda cool but it's living a little too fast. I find this with a couple of G.W's boxed games, cards and rules appear and then suddenly disappear leading to confusion.
Love the new books, I like to play with different warbands, bit of an expensive outlay, but loads of new units, and the additional heroes rule makes for some really interesting warband set ups. Love the books
Gw have said before that they work on a boom and bust release system - in good times they'll launch alot of games, then when things start to die down they will pull back and focus on their core products.
If you look at the glory days of gorkamorka, mordheim, inquisitor, they got a bit of support but were always kind of left to their own devices - the idea being that the community for smaller games would be happier to self sustain unlike 40k which has more casual players who's interest needs to be kept.
I was skeptical with that release. But really enjoy having them now. The inclusion of lots of models we couldn't use before has been pretty cool to reconfigure war bands.
So, to you allies info, to be clear. Most allies from M&M are now leader runemarked. Leaders can brought as heros, 1 in matched, and up to 3 in narrative. Previously allies could be 1 in matched, and 1 per dominate territory in narrative. If I read things correctly.
Thanks for the video uncle atom 👍 I've recently started looking at getting into warcry and this video was a great help
Good old GW 😂
I’m sticking with planet 28 instead of kill team and (the new) Brutal quest instead of warcry...
The best thing I found about Tome of Champions 2020 is the Soroth Kor campaign which is pretty much Mordheim in a new "skin". Alliance books also introduce not only new models but leader abilities which were not available before if I remember correctly.
Hmm... making new models is hard, how are we gonna make money this year? BOOKS.
I bought all the 8th edition codex books and chapter approved and campaign books and I feel a little bit of a mug right now but they are ok to look at art and mini photos and some of the codex books are valid right now but still...
What?! GW not use Blender + 3D printers? That explains a lot 🤣
The only difficult part today is GWs mass production, transportation, storage and stores. Many things that is quickly getting outdated. Different, modern business model would fix that all and they could still keep it all under control with some creative thinking 😏
@@KrullMaestaren Someone here in Spain mentioned GW maybe going for their own 3d printers with their own encrypted 3d printer file format which you cannot pirate, This maybe a good idea going forward.
Battlescribe just updated with a large portion of the new data. I don't think they are quite done.
The new thumbnails looks really great:D
Thank you! I’m (slowly) working on changing the overall marketing “look” and they’ve been fun to work on. Thanks for watching!
Why are there so many books? I can't understand how to get into actually playing these games since I don't want to dive into getting all of them, they need a flow diagram to even understand what books you need to get.
At least Warhammer Underworlds has 1 book / 1 Box per year and I can decipher what is going on.
They are basically expansions, you don't need them. I have no intentions of buying them.
They include updated warband options and more scenarios to play through.
All updates at once is great. Creates balance, the problem is players that think that they need to buy them all at once. If your group play all books, get organized and buy one each as a start and then get the rest yourself 😉
Two things, Dropping all four for grand alliances at the same time is great- if people want to get all four and can't afford to get them all in one go....they can budget OR as I do, borrow a mates book.
Secondly, I think we'll see Warcry slowly shift away from the Eightpoints its self. Turn to new settings. Its become Warhammer skirmish which is great for collectors and for cinematic skirmish games, and I'm pretty sure GW didn't anticipate it being so popular. I just wish they original factions where competitive in that arena... we've already seen Shadow Elves and I wouldn't be surprised if Ossiarch get their own unique war band and then they drop a different setting starter set soon. Kurnothi might find its way there too... Warhammer Quest, Underworlds have shown a desire for smaller corners to be explored whilst Blood Bowl and to an extent Necromunda based conversions must be demonstrating that on some level too.
I just started playing Warcry with the Catacombs set, and I'm totally hooked. I picked up the TOC 2020 for the Soroth Kor city stuff, very cool.
Have a few AoS armies and just picked up Catacombs at Christmas ... it’s great and has lots of terrain and value ... 2 additional Warbands ... so lots of options. Finding Warcry a good option for lockdowns.
I'm toying with getting into Warcry, so found this video very useful Cheers!
Thanks for the video!
Monsters and Mercenaries is mostly obsolete now. Both the Allies and the Monster rules have moved into the Alliance books. Only the narrative campaigns and challenges are still relevant. That's a bummer, but I think the gain is worth it.
The new Alliance books now have rules for the whole Age of Sigmar model range, with the exception of named characters and the truly big models (behemots and such). Therefore, every faction received a big or even massive increase in the number of warscrolls. I consider that a good thing, because it means that I can now use almost all of my AoS models for Warcry as well.
I'm also happy that the monster & ally rules are consolidated in those books, so that the core book plus one GA book make me kind of complete.
We also got several rules changes for more flexibility. The new hero rule gives us more options; Death and Destruction received new Thralls (but not Order, strangely enough).
So overall, I consider the books a great update and frankly something I would have loved earlier on.
Now, Tome of Champions... if you look closely, the 2019 book did not do what you said in the video. There were no point updates. It was mostly narrative as well, containing the campaigns for the warbands of the second and third card pack release. Plus a couple of generic campaigns and challenges, and a re-print of the cards of the first wave of card packs. Those reprints were identical to the card packs, even including the same errors that had already been errated...
ToC2020 is in the same category. Some rules changes that make sense and add more fun (campaign points 2019, one-use items in 2020). Some updated matched play battle plans. A ton of stuff for the narrative game. ToC20 is definitely not required at all. But if you like the narrative side of Warcry, then it is a good addition with more options and a very nice multi-player campaign.
Do the new Grand Alliance books really contain point updates? For my factions, I did not notice any.
Keen for the chaos book given that’s the forces I predominantly collect.
Regarding new books - The Skaven Warcry card packs did come out 1 year ago in Jan 2020 and Monsters and Mercenaries around Sept 2019 to be fair - while remembering this is a less competitive more narrative game I think that some updates were coming either way but it’s the sort of game you’d be fine just playing either way with friends.
My question: for someone entirely new, could you just get one of these new books and play one of the factions in it right off of that? Or would you need to go back and get the card packs or something else, too?
These books replace the card packs, too. All you’d need would be the core rule book and then one of these books that includes your preferred warband. Thanks for watching!
The books have everything you need for the warbands, no need to get the card packs at all. But you would still need the rulebook.
dont waste your money on the cards
I really liked the faction books. Being able to bring more things in my game is exciting!
I love Warhammer models, but I simply can't be bothered with GW's constant book rotation and rules bloat. I'll stick with using my minis for Frostgrave and One Page Rules.
please do the same with Necromunda. It can be so hard for beginners to figure out which books to get and what not to get,
If you cut all these books down to pure crunch You get 24 page pamphlet.
Thaaaat's GW for you.
The fluff, artwork and such is all wonderful and good. But it'd be awesome if we could have a stripped back version of these books with less fluff to justify the exorbitant prices.
Warcry has never been just about the crunch though. Neither has any other GW game except maybe Underworlds. The lore and the art are as intrinsic to the game as the rules - in fact I would argue they're more important! No one claims that GW makes the best rules but few can compete with them when it comes to the miniatures, art and the game world!
GW´s own Varanscribe was updated w` all the new units and point, if you need a list building tool. As a downside, that doesn`t have stats...but I guess that`s what the books are for...
They actually updated it??? And here I thought the GW web devs forgot about Varanscribe immediately after they added it to the website.
Got into warcry (and back into the hobby) early fall 2020, was a nightmare to try and find cards, some(all?) of them was limited run. Some of them go on ebay for US$100+ per pack, at least Bonesplitterz do.
So I really like that they dropped all the books at once (even though I have most of the card packs too, yeye Im a hoarder/collector).
Good to get all the rules for all warbands updated at the same time, so no one feels left out. Which I feel is important in warcry since I think it is more of a casual game than AoS, 40k or killteam. But I'm still a bit annoyed that the core book in the catacombs box was exactly the same as the one I bought when I started playing. Not even the erratas were corrected! :(
Going to miss the cards though, I like the idea that you had the cards when you played for reference. Not faffing around with a book to look stuff up, but hopefully the statlines havent changed too much
Meh, if you're gonna kill me with book prices you had better be selling me an RPG. I was fine with the old boxed game model, rulebook in the core, expansion rulebook in the expansion, and you're good. Nowadays they spread them out so thin that even if I can get them for free, and I can, it'd be a terrible headache to read them all, and boring to boot.
For those of us keeping up with it all. Those who may have already have a number of disparate grand alliance warbands and maybe spent way too much time and effort tracking down all the cards. This is a big cost hit at once for an otherwise low cost skirmish game. For new players. I think this will be great. At this point all new players really is the core book, their chosen alliance book, and some models. No more hunting down incredibly hard to find card packs.
Unfortunately, the card format did not work out super well because of the frequently changing stats and point costs for a game like this. You can still use cards on the table to mark Wounds and other things but the new books do make them kind of obsolete.
Still, I am super happy with the new books. Warbands are nicely compiled, abilities updated, Monsters integrated, and the change from M&M to use heroes instead of allies is genius. These specialist HQ-like units for affordable point costs is exactly what Warcry needed and the original Ally rules were a bit iffy and clunky in campaign. Now I can field two leader-like anchor warriors for each warband. The only thing that feels a bit out of place is the addition of a ton of cavalry but what do I know. These books are imo a huge step forward from the cards (that you couldn't buy after a while).
Oh and the new narrative campaign system in Tome of Champions is fantastic, too. That alone is worth the price.
As a killteam player a feel like a man dying of thirst watching another one drown.
Warcry took a while to catch my eye, but I love it. It plays the way I want a tabletop wargame to play. It's been easy to learn and teach, and very cinematic and fun. Hopefully this is a sign of more things to come, not fewer. The limited range of models available was a big criticism when the game first dropped, so it's good to see the new models added. But I agree the way they released these books was less than ideal.
I just bought them all before they went out of stock. Warcry doesn't get rules update frequently so why not I thought.
I dont "need" them, I can quick whenever I want to!
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I think Warcry can't get too much updates because the core rules are just fine. So It makes sense that the only thing they have left is adding more units and new campaings. On the other side I'm pissed GW din't released digital versions of the manuals... just like in 40k :(
Personally i am a big fan of all of these books and i think launching them all at once is better than seperately.
Was never a fan of this game being so deep into "cards" it just doesn't suite it when its such a casual dice roller title - that complex stuff is for underworlds [ also great btw ] - but all of these literally gives you everything in one, with ALOT of bonus material.
Tome of champs gives you pit fights, decent updates to the campaign system, a whole new list of artifacts to pick from, even a "Coop" mode against enemy AI warbands.
The grand alliance books have expanded the roster so decently, S2D and Nurgle were an over expensive joke before....But now you can literally deck your Blightkings out into various different builds,
take cavalry, and all the heroes which should of been there in the first place!
Personally i think tis a great move all round.
I wonder now that we have seen the new box games that will be coming this year if this is going to be a shift away from the expense that Warcry has and make them more entry type games.
The Battle Scribe Data ( that is updated by nonpaid volunteers, keep that in mind) is now updated for anyone wondering =)
Do you think that the plethora of options that the warband for each AoS army gets invalidates the original Warcry warbands? The original chaos warbands get very options and their choices are limited for building a warband
I like to watch a bunch of VLOGS on painting, more the bottom end of the spectrum but still quality painters like Midwinter Minis and Squidmar to name but two. Anyway it has formulated a question in my mind resulting from the commentary and colour schemes and I thought you the best person to run a commentary on this. That question is, does knowing your army or even gaming system impact your paint schemes and styles? For reference, I game Sci Fi and WWII and tend not to paint outside the minis required for those systems. But I see these talented people paint figures while making commentary about their colour choice that demonstrates they don't know the game, no foul on this by the way. But they don't know their subject and choose options that I don't think fit.
Anyone would think they are pushing a ‘churn and burn’ approach to selling us books for WarCry. You have to keep up unless you’re playing opponents who agree not to use the latest stuff (which is probably more powerful or cheaper points wise, in many cases).
Why didnt they put them all in one book? Oh wait .........money.
Reason why i dont but warhammer books anymore is cause they constantly change the rules. Its like they never think through the rules before publishing.
@UncleAtom Merch suggestion: more shirts/hats mugs with the Tabletop Minions logo and “Hobby Hero,” please!
Battlescribe is actually updated, has been for over a week I think
I do worry about Warcry as it's the only GW line I am still with and the horizon is looking very empty. But I was very happy with my Agents Of Chaos 😁
Well, at least the thinner books were cheaper.
So I know this is a little late, hope you see this, do the new Soulblight rules take the place of the Legions of Nagash rules in the death book? I’m playing SBGL, do I even need one of these books?
I like the cards (less hassle to see on a table) but $8 and only 1 card (rest were foreign language) However I only play one army so buying a whole book for just a few pages doesn't sit real well with me either. Thanks for another informative video!
If you're like me and enjoy having a lot of warbands, these books are cheaper than buying 4 card sets. And, you can pick and choose as you said - I don't play Destruction or Death so I skipped those books. However, a lot will depend on how frequently they release new books. If they only release a new Tome of Champions each year, fine. But if they release 5 books every year? Ouch.
And what about Age of Sigmar: Bladeborn? What do you think about it - for me, it looks like 'new' Warcry, kind-off.
Bladeborn will be a mass-market board game-type set that will only be available probably at Target and maybe a few other big box stores. Thanks for watching!
I think it's an intro to Warcry.
Putting all books out at once is great imagine if they did that with codexes.
I bought all 5 books on release. Yes, it was a big amount of money to spend in one go and yes, I had some reservations about what the books would be like, but having said that once I got the books I was happy that I bought them. There is plenty of content in all of them to justify picking them up if you are a fan of Warcry.
I also think there is plenty of life left in Warcry, it is just that the pandemic has effected development schedules at GW.
I hate to have to rebuy stuff to keep playing this game....it feels like you always need to buy ans buy and buy....cant the game just be done and good....this is why i prefer board games. No patches, no revised stuff no new codex , just one good game!
If they where cheaper books (basically $10 less each) I would have bought them all already.
I have all the card packs for the armies I want and I think I'm good with that, since I only play at home and provide all the stuff to play.
The real question is do you need all these warcry warbands?
And the answer is yes, yes you do
(coming from a new 40k player who drools everytime the warbands are shown)
"Do you need all these Warcry books?"
YES, because they're awesome!
(but no, only the book for the warband you want to play, if you dont have the cards)
And the Core Rule book
Does the Tome of Champions 2020 replace the 2019 version or do you need both?
There is that new board game they've announced, it looks like a warcry lite kind of like what they did with underworlds
It’s more like Blackstone Fortress, and less like Warhammer Underworlds, actually. But the models they’ve showed off already are amazing! Thanks for watching!
@@tabletopminions sorry I was referring to how warhammer underworlds dreadfane ( barnes and noble exclusive) is a lite version of warhammer underworlds. The new boxed game they announced the other day called warhammer age of sigmar bladeborn looks to be a lite version of warcry. On that note warhammer 40k fireteam looks to be a simplified version of kill team. These all seem like good ways at bridging that board game and war game divided.
Much apprecaited info. thanks.
40k has problems because there's power creep and factions are released one at a time. I prefer the idea of all at once (hopefully balanced).
Blightkings cards never had a difference with/without shield card before.
I'm just elated that cities of Sigmar is now supported officially in warcry so I can play warcry now
they need to release card packs for the new books.
I feel like it’s unlikely. Maybe, tho? Thanks for watching!
Mmm...that city campaign in Tome of Champions 2020 tho
I learned nothing... Don't get me wrong, you perfectly answered the question of the video, but ultimately I have no idea how the hell to start and what I would specifically need to play a single army.
I would need the specific army book. I assume I would need the rule book if I don't buy a starter box with terrain and stuff, but the info would probably be out of date? I might need the cards because they either have info the book doesn't have or maybe I don't need them? The books don't update often enough, meaning what exactly? No new missions which means less replayability or a book for a different faction releases and it directly affects yours some how?
Would I be stupid for wishing that GW would just create a ruleset and specific faction books for a specific game and then not touch it at all and any new faction would have to comply with what already exists?
It sucks because the models are really cool and I really want to get them and get into the game, but I'm just clueless and I feel GW does very little to make getting into these things easier.
Love Warcry 😀 Hi from Ukraine👍
From the Warband club?)
I bought cards for all chaos gods specific warbands (both mortals and demons), which was 8 cards packs and also the skeletons and ghosts...and now they modify all of that. I am now very angry and I don't know if I even want to use them or just ignore them.
I’m going to have to decide if I’m going to go through and modify the cards I already have or not. Maybe with a Sharpie? Thanks for watching!
Dude, play with the card packs! The game is a lot more fun with the cards. The few changes aren't worth the investment. What's in these books is DLC (in videogame terms) you don't need them, you only buy it if you want too.
@@CesarIsaacPerez I like the added models and I want to use some of them...but I don't like the changes (especially the Khorne demons where my leader is no longer a leader). If only models and abilities were added it would be fine...but changing something that just recently got released is infurationg
I bought all of the cards and I now carry all of the shame and resentment that comes with that! :)
How useful is the 2019 tome now, with 2020 out?
The real {?} is can they keep them in print?
Can’t help but take away from this that fans of Warcry are being taken for a ride.
I wish they are hard cover.
I have not tried Necromunda because the sheer amount of rulebooks out there.
To my knowledge it is the most expensive skirmish game on the market.
My thoughts exactly. I did buy it, none of the rules, but the minis and terrain is cool. These get repurposed for use in several Indy games like this is not a test or the upcoming Stargrave.
Warcry got bought for the terrain and models too. These get used in Frostgrave. Warcry has been played a bit, but it’s not the main purpose of my purchase. Buying GW games to play the GW version of the game? No. Therein is the road to disappointment.
The books are great, they just should have put this out originally. Stops the rules being split all over the place( hunting card packs etc)
What's the name of the painting shop Atom's buddy works for again? Has anyone used them? I am getting a settlement soon and want to get a professionaly done Chaos lord for My Night Lords army. I love painting and all but really want something special for my main guy!
@@tommys_hobbies thanks bud! I knew it was something table and that it was a color , for some reason I thought it was green but that wasn't right.
Anyhow thanks once more! If anyone has any suggestions for pro painters that do warhammer conversions and paint commissions I'm all ears!
@@tommys_hobbies I just filled out the initial form for what I'm wanting done, thanks again!
Warcry looks so awesome. I want to pick it up, but I'll probably never get to play it lol.
Edit: Is it possible to play demons of chaos in Warcry?
yup all gods minions are in chaos book
The miniature wargamer's come to Jesus moment!
Better all at once then sit for half an edition waiting on a codex to make your army not suck.
I think warcry will be supported only on white dwarf sporadicaly because of the new warhammer quest cursed city. Time to get all the warcry stuff you want now, it will be sold out before 2022.
probably not, but I want them...
Waiting on these until I can actually play with other people again...thought I could convince my wife to at least play Warcry with me if not AoS, sadly, still didn't work.
GW really sucks at sticking to a design decision. They should have included new cards with the books for all the units that changed. Now I have to edit a template, print and sleeve them. I normally pay money to NOT do additional work.
On tze other hand it's cool they publish them all at once, because why would you give an Orc player his book first and then wait some weeks to give an Undead player his? Makes more sense this way.
I mainly just buy the figures to paint, collect, and maybe use in my D&D games. I hope to someday actually play Warcry. I have the first starter set and a bunch of the apparently now obsolete card packs. Stuff like this is why I have not gotten into actually playing any of the GW games. I watch all these youtubers/wargamers for the painting tips but also hear a lot of super annoying things about the GW.
Definitely seems like a cash grab format, when all of this could have been rolled into 2 books (1 for all the updates warband rules, 1 for tome of champions 2020). I have yet to play warcry again since it's initial launch, mostly due to the necromunda-like release cycle, where it costs more in terms of rule support books than it does the models to play the game (if you're actively trying to keep up with the release). I think i'll stick with underworlds until Tome of Champions 2021 or other cues from GW about how they plan to support warcry. Thanks for the Content Uncle Atom!
If i were interested in Warcry, what book would contain the basic rules?
The Warcry core rule book. It sells for $40 USD. Thanks for watching!
They had to print the books for the armies because the company that prints the Warcry cards dropped GW as a client.
I think these books made an decent game excellent from the choices of models alone. These should have been released when WC dropped in the first place. In 15 years they will be worth a mint. The game plays easier than Mordheim with all of the cool look of Mordheim. Out of all the GW games in recent history WarCry will be the one that lasts IMO.
That’s all I need to know to not want Warcry. Seriously. I was loving Necromunda until the game where a guy got to pick a scenario I had never seen for which he had hand picked a force from a gang I had never seen. The cash to buy all the books was stiff, but the time to collect and learn everything was simply overwhelming. No thanks.
Is there competitive play for Necromunda? I thought it was just a game you played for laughs with your chosen group of friends... I thought games like Underworld were what you played if you wanted a competitive scene. (I may very well be wrong!)
@@theandfNecromunda is a highly thematic and competitive campaign game. That’s mostly how it is played. Different players will be more or less competitive, as in any setting, but the version from a few years ago made it very hard to even play the latter campaign games if you lost too often while early winning streaks made it easy to dominate your later matches.
Choose: use a FREE app, that can update online or use one book for one game. This books, coming every half of a year is cash stealing.
it kind of reminds me what took me out of play 40k. i just got the index, then the codex cacme out,,, than some urban cobat book came out but no rules so that's ok, than came bigilus witch had like 1 page of rules for space marine's. and it just felt like i was missing out on that one page but i'm not gonna buy the whole book for 1 page of rules so i just stopped playing
Starting a CSM army through Killteam around the time Vigilus was happening was certainly an interesting time, lemme tell ya. I've mostly relied on Battlescribe and looking up stratagems for most of the big rules stuff.
No but they are fun. I dislike who the longlivety of GW books To have all 4 makes for whole cycle- one can play with only theese. But knowing GW an FAQ or White dwarf will shift them before I have all four alliances... The battlescribe is great. Wish they kept that up to date instead.