Hope you enjoyed this video! To go a step further, challenge yourself & take ThatPickleball IQ Test to see how well you really know the game. VERY FEW get 10/10. I dare you to try: 😊 thatpickleballtest.typeform.com/to/YuHaz4N6
I'm subscribed to your channel. I recently retired and I need to exercise. I go in the morning to unused city racquetball court and for an hour I hit the pickleball against the wall to learn the nuance of the return; the timing, the bounce of the ball, the force required to effect the desired return...those basic elements. After 20 mins I'm sweating. I take a break; sip my ensure and get back to it. I Love it. This week I bought 2 extra canisters of balls so I can study my serve. This particular video was very helpful for my current learning level. Thanks.
I tried this technique today and it was like a miracle!!! Some of my serves were unreturnable. . Will continue to watch. Thanks so much for the tips!!!!!Sharing with my other players cause we all play with and against each other.
Your toss serve is illegal, watch it in slow mo upon contact the top of your paddle is even with or above your wrist. This is common with almost all former tennis players because it is taught that way what I call the tennis roll to create top spin. It comes naturally with almost all returns in tennis. Solution change the rules to the drop serve exclusively.
Excellent video! Finally, someone explained the drop serve, feet placement, left arm drop, etc. Plus, using the core body turn to explode the ball forward. Nice! Saved as a bookmark!
I’m brand new to Pickleball and this was very helpful. Last week I struggled with serving. Today I put your drop serve instructions in action practicing my serve and I can see a huge difference already. Thank you!
I really appreciate the baseball pitcher analogy. As someone who played baseball for 27 years and is just recently getting seriously into pickleball, that example really clicked for me. I was a pitcher in college and for most of my playing career, and I've been trying a lot of different things to improve my serve, but I really think using similar mechanics to pitching may be what will be most comfortable for me. Thank you very much for the tips.
If you can believe it I'm a legit 4.5 with a raquetball (not tennis background). My serve isn't as good as most 3.0 players (i've got major yips). Between this video and your third shot drop training video (Low, Loose, Lift and paddle out front) I firmly believe I can get to the next level. I cannot stress how appreciative of you and your videos that I am. Your teaching delivery is wonderful, just wonderful.
This is really good... almost EXACTLY how i coach serves to new players.. don't forget to have them "speed up" with their stroke... sometimes they get to busy tryin to "aim" and not have the ball go out.... I say forget that, SWING and HIT the ball and it'll go in.... Nice video, good work....
The pre-serve routine is huge. It has tremendously helped my consistency. I see so many people rushing their serves, and they often make mistakes. Slow it down, have a routine, and stick with it for better consistency. Great video!
When I taught serving (volleyball and tennis and pickleball) I always told people to create a routine, a boring ritual that was almost identical from time to time.
This video is going to totally change the way I serve my serves! I'm very new to pickleball, and really need to focus on consistency. Your very clearly defined approach is exactly what I need. Thank you!
@@thatpickleballguy I don't have any issue with the serve. Because I come from a tennis background. So I had no trouble with putting the spin and pace and depth on the serves. But does anyone know what's up with these bats? I need to talk to a pro player because I snapped one of the bats after just 6 hours of hitting the pickelball around with it.
Hey Kyle, great video. I try to help new beginners and I want to do it right so your videos help a great deal. I see an uncanny amount of the time when we are all playing that if the server calls the serve while serving they miss the serve a ton, as you said they just aren't completely focused on the serve. I would add into your video to teach the "routine" as you outline it but also add in to be sure to take a breath, say the score and only after that begin your serve service. thanks again!
As a beginner struggling with my serves, thank you! I’ve watched a few serving videos, but I come back to yours because I like how you teach your serving technique!
Hi Kyle, this video instantly improved my serve - thank you!! Prior to watching this video, I was a beginner who was constantly frustrated with my 50/50 consistency on the serve - yet never knew what I was doing wrong or how to correct it.
Glad you clarified the toss Had this discussion the other day in a rec Game. So as long as the contact is below the navel/ waist with paddle below ball and upward trajectory it is legal?
I watched this video last night since I needed help with my serve. I played today and used the tips from the video! I was very pleased with my serve! Loved the video! Thanks so much!
Thanks. He didn’t mention this. But make sure your wrist stays neutral, otherwise the ball may go out of bounds and you will develop shoulder problems.
Dude, your an awesome instructor. Your fluid and easy to listen to. I'm a beginner. I'm getting so much down. But, it's not overwhelming. Go pro. And I don't mean a head camera.
Great instructions! I do wish the drop serve section had video on what it looked like altogether to visualize the concept more. Maybe just one slowmo in the middle to recap what we’re going for. Thanks for uploading!
Hey Kyle - Great tips provided to help a beginner build correct mental as well as muscle memory! To help, I didn't see you mention 3 main points of the volley serve - the upward swing; point of contact below the waist aka belly button; top of paddle below the wrist at point of contact. At least until the next changes arrive. Keep up the good teachings!
The reference to the navel was removed from pickleball rules several years ago. They changed it to "waist" but don't clearly define that term. Of the three, that is the one I have never heard a referee call for a fault. If you comply with the other two requirements, upward motion and no part of the paddle head (face) above your wrist (when the paddle contacts the ball), hitting the ball a few inches higher than your waist doesn't give you any advantage.
Watch old videos of Sharapova before she served. It was always "tuck, tuck, bounce, bounce", where she would tuck her hair behind one ear and then the other, and then do two deliberate bounces. Or watch college softball pitchers. Almost all of them have a routine down pat prior to a pitch! Routines are such a great way of getting into that right headspace :)
Well done! Great lesson for intermediates. For beginners, there is a much simpler serve with less potential for error. Tennis is infiltrating all aspects of pickleball.
@@thatpickleballguy I'm a real beginner because the bat I was given to hit with I had broke it after just only 6 hours of play when using tennis drives with it The bat didn't last me long.
Hi Kyle. I am a 70-year-old woman and I just took my first pickleball clinic. I really like it! Our instructor sent us some videos to watch including this one. This is my problem. I am blind in my right eye so my depth perception is bad. I played a few practice games with some friends and chase the ball more than I hit it. I was wondering if you had any tips for me to overcome this disability. I really enjoy the game. Thank you in advance.❤
Hi there! Hope this video helped! The truth is, more reps will be your best friend right now! I think everyone chases the ball more than they hit it with they first start playing :) You're doing fine. Keep at it!!
Excellent video! Your instructions were to the point, easy to understand, and presented a nice and clean method for consistency. Best wishes for your continued success here on RUclips as well as the Pickleball Court!
You're a great coach! Other than subscribing to your channel and liking your videos, i won't be able to reward you for sharing your knowledge. I wish you all the best in everything you pursue.
Please, please more emphasis on keeping the head, thusly the eyes down as if they were hitting four balls in secession. For you it is second nature, for beginners probably not.
Me and my co-worker beat a team 11-0 last week and beat a team 4x in a series today. Can you believe he finally called me out on my bad or weak serving on this day 😂 I'm like the best kitchen line player in the group as they say. So I told him man I can't be perfect all around, we all have a weakness😅
Hi Kyle, I’ve seen your serve tutorial multiple times, went out to practice at the court. I still do poorly. I can do the even court drop serve. The odd court, I’m too short. The only way I can only drop serve and two handed back hand. Your thoughts?
Is it good to mix up serves to confuse the player returning the ball ? Like a baseball pitcher mixing pitches? A hard serve, soft serve (underhand lob) etc? Mixing up a serve from hard to soft to spin? Effective?
My primary serve is a fast topspin, close to the baseline, especially if they are standing too close. It's funny to watch what happens when I change the pace and serve a high, slow lob. More often than not, they hit it out. The change in pace throws off their timing I guess.
@@thatpickleballguythis is why I'm watching this video! I pretty much release the ball and contact it with the paddle almost simultaneously - no toss. spent an hour trying to fix this habit today and hit a 'proper ' volley serve. it didn't go well so not sure what to do next! to toss or not to toss!
@@JasonKibbe Kyle's serve is very similar to mine. The slight toss helps with my timing. The ball barely goes up, stops then I hit it in the exact same place every time.
Kyle quick question about serve rules section 4 in the rule book. I know your feet can't touch the line or one foot can hover over the court. At what point can a foot or feet cross the line and touch the court? Is it when the ball leaves the paddle or crosses the net, or something different? Thanks Rick D.
Definitely practice your backhand. Switching hands isn't bad. Some do it. But in my opinion, takes much longer to get good at than working at your backhand.
Crazy enough, I have a video I'm about film called, 5 easy to play chess on a pickleball court! There is mention of magnus carlsen and gary kasparov in it :)
I'm having trouble visualizing what I should physically be doing differently in the two different methods of generating power (weight shift vs weight shift+core twist). If I watch your demonstration of both methods (6:56 vs 7:43), visually it looks like you're doing the exact same thing both times?
Thanks for the serving tips! I'm guilty of rushing my serves and not focusing and either hitting it out or in the net. You didn't talk about your eye contact. Do you pick a spot in the court and then watch the ball as you make contact? Sometimes I find myself not watching the ball as well
Definitely keep an eye on that ball & point the paddle in the direction where you want the ball to go. That's what I was taught. My serves are very consistent. Not powerful, but consistent.
Correct me if I'm wrong since I've only played a few days and my own equipment is on the way as we speak, but isn't there room for a drop serve where you squat down A LOT and then explode upwards with your legs when hitting the ball, providing greater theoretical top-spin?
Excellent video, as always! Question: Is there any *objective* advantage to using the volley (toss) serve vs. the drop serve? It seems like the swing path and strike point are almost exactly the same between the two. I've been playing almost a year now and when I first started, I couldn't get the hang of the volley serve so I learned to drop. I can serve with pace and placement and even mix things up between topspin and slice. Yet most of the people I play who are at my level or better do NOT use the drop. I just wonder if I'm missing something if I want to get to 4.5 or 5.0 and beyond?
I have had a lot of success with a drop forehand SLICE serve. I use this shot a lot in tennis, so I have the feel of it. If the wind is behind me, the opponent is in trouble if it goes deep, and if the wind is in my face, he's in trouble if my serve is short! I mix in 3 or 4 other serves, sidespin, a combination of slice and side, and topspin. They all help. It's like pitching
It's a valid question. In my opinion, you can be dangerous with both. I'd experiment more for yourself with the volley (toss) serve and see. I feel like I can generate a bit more whip and topspin by not using the drop serve. But remember, if you're hitting it consistently with depth each time, doesn't matter which type you're using. That's the principle that creates the most success!
Standing in the middle while serving in doubles is pretty standard. If you're playing singles, i suggest standing closer to the center so you're ready for their return to be hit either way!
Hi Kyle, I was under the impression that you could not toss the ball up, but you clearly did on the toss serve. Is there a rule on that or is it just that until your video, I had never actually seen anyone do that in practice. Thanks!
@@philippeacock4729 You cannot toss the ball up or throw it down with a "drop" serve. You can only open your hand and drop it. The reason is, that up or down motion would cause the ball to bounce higher (possibly above your waist) and give you a big advantage since the 3 volley serve rules do not apply. With a volley serve, you can toss the ball up but the 3 volley serve rules apply. You can toss the ball 20 feet in the air if you wish but you can't hit it until the ball drops at or below your waist.
Hi Kyle, so I was told that it wasn't legal to toss the ball in the air, at all, when doing a toss serve, that it could only be dropped. Correct or no plz?
Love your videos and i always share. The volley serve instructions however i totally disagree with unless the newbie comes from a tennis background able to do a successful tennis serve. The newbie player without skill will struggle getting the serve in if I taught them your feet positioning. I teach learn to play and the majority would not have the mental ability to do the body rotation before hitting the ball. Excellent video for those moving to the next level of improving your serve but not learning how to serve for those new to pickleball.
Our local club has some disagreement about tossing the ball up on a volley serve. While some agree with you that because 4.A.7 does not address the toss serve that it is legal. Others contend that 4.A.5 prohibits "MANIPULATING" the ball on ANY serve and that a "toss" is a form of manipulation.
Thats fair. But the truth is, in my opinion it doesnt really matter that much. The manipulation rule was put into place to prevent spin serves that kick hard when they hit the ground.
We asked USA Pickleball about this seeming discrepancy and here is their reply I just received: It seems like those same folks may be overlooking the rule language that says some natural rotation is expected when releasing that ball. Here is the rule itself: "4.A.5. The serve shall be made with only one hand releasing the ball. While some natural rotation of the ball is expected during any release of the ball from the hand, the server shall not impart manipulation or spin on the ball with any part of the body immediately prior to the serve." You can certainly toss the ball up on the volley serve, as long as unnatural spin is not imparted during the toss. That is certainly a judgement call for the referees or the opponents if a non-officiated match. But, if the opponent thinks there was some added manipulation, beyond that that which occurs naturally, then it's a replay. Mark Peifer | Managing Director of Officiating, USA Pickleball Chairman, USA Pickleball Rules Committee
@@TheKiplarsen "4.A.5. ........ While some natural rotation of the ball is expected during any release of the ball from the hand, the server shall not impart manipulation or spin on the ball with any part of the body immediately prior to the serve." It would cause less confusion if they would change the wording from "the server shall not impart manipulation or spin on the ball with any part of the body" to "the server shall not impart spin on the ball" Other than a spin, what "manipulation" are they referring to??? Also, the rule clearly states only one hand can release the ball so what other parts of the body are they talking about???
I don't stand still and serve. I begin every serve by calling the score and then advance toward the baseline in one fluid motion, rotating my torso as my paddle contacts the ball. My opponent was a pickleball coach recently and he said one of my serves was not legal because I called the score with one foot outside the extended centerline then advanced toward the baseline (well within the extended sideline and centerline and behind the baseline) and hit the ball. The rule states: 4A.4… The moment the ball is served…4A4c neither of the server’s feet may touch the playing surface outside the imaginary extension of the sideline or centerline. In my opinion, "The moment the ball is served" is the same thing as saying "The moment the paddle contacts the ball" I asked another coach who agreed with my interpretation of the serving rules.
One year player with limited mobility. I play in a local league of 3.0 - 3.5. I served very hard for four points to win a game. I overheard our opponent say, "Winning points on serves is not the way to win points, play the game." Is serving hard a breach of etiquette? I want to continue playing in this space. I ask for Kyle and community advice. Thanks, JM
It could vary from person to person! Some might view it as breach of etiquette while others don't, but at the end of the day everyone plays different so everyone has to be ready to play against different styles!
The serve is my biggest challenge. I have gone to a backhand serve as its the only one I can consistently get in. Its not a bad serve but im hoping a routine can help me perfect a forehand serve with power. (The forehand is IN MY HEAD) like a pitcher who can't throw a strike. :/
I have played 5 years. Old tennis player. My serve always has been my strong point. All of a sudden, the yips showed up. I am trying to get back to basics... but why does it happen? And how to get it back. Thank you!
Oo yeah good question. I've had that happen too. After you miss some, peopl tend to question their ability in their shot. One of the quickest ways to get it back is to. 1. go out and drill your serve. Hit about 100 and think about your technique as you do it. 2. Take some pace off it and focus on consistency. See how that works!
Hey ! Just a follow up with you! I did applied some of the techniques and ideas last couple weeks. It’s simple a big difference. I had improved my our skills., and l shared it with a few friends and they are impressed with these advice and glad to use them in their games . Thanks again! I am still following you !! Take care of enjoy your game !
when you do the stop action model of hour serve, it looks as though the top of the paddle is above your wrist. Is that serve rally 97mph? that's hard to believe.....
Explain, please, where we should stand behind the line. Close to the middle line, two feet from the line, etc. It's not clear to me what advantage we can gain by how close or far away from the center line we are.
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I'm subscribed to your channel. I recently retired and I need to exercise. I go in the morning to unused city racquetball court and for an hour I hit the pickleball against the wall to learn the nuance of the return; the timing, the bounce of the ball, the force required to effect the desired return...those basic elements. After 20 mins I'm sweating. I take a break; sip my ensure and get back to it. I Love it. This week I bought 2 extra canisters of balls so I can study my serve. This particular video was very helpful for my current learning level. Thanks.
That's fantastic!
I tried this technique today and it was like a miracle!!! Some of my serves were unreturnable. . Will continue to watch. Thanks so much for the tips!!!!!Sharing with my other players cause we all play with and against each other.
Let's go!! Thanks for sharing.
Your toss serve is illegal, watch it in slow mo upon contact the top of your paddle is even with or above your wrist. This is common with almost all former tennis players because it is taught that way what I call the tennis roll to create top spin. It comes naturally with almost all returns in tennis.
Solution change the rules to the drop serve exclusively.
Excellent video! Finally, someone explained the drop serve, feet placement, left arm drop, etc. Plus, using the core body turn to explode the ball forward. Nice!
Saved as a bookmark!
Fantastic! glad it helped
I admire your down-to-earth and practical style of teaching.
Thank you!!
I’m brand new to Pickleball and this was very helpful. Last week I struggled with serving. Today I put your drop serve instructions in action practicing my serve and I can see a huge difference already. Thank you!
Glad it was helpful!
I really appreciate the baseball pitcher analogy. As someone who played baseball for 27 years and is just recently getting seriously into pickleball, that example really clicked for me. I was a pitcher in college and for most of my playing career, and I've been trying a lot of different things to improve my serve, but I really think using similar mechanics to pitching may be what will be most comfortable for me. Thank you very much for the tips.
Thats fantastic!!
If you can believe it I'm a legit 4.5 with a raquetball (not tennis background). My serve isn't as good as most 3.0 players (i've got major yips). Between this video and your third shot drop training video (Low, Loose, Lift and paddle out front) I firmly believe I can get to the next level. I cannot stress how appreciative of you and your videos that I am. Your teaching delivery is wonderful, just wonderful.
Glad they are helpful! You got this!
This is really good...
almost EXACTLY how i coach serves to new players..
don't forget to have them "speed up" with their stroke... sometimes they get to busy tryin to "aim" and not have the ball go out....
I say forget that, SWING and HIT the ball and it'll go in....
Nice video, good work....
I like that! Good thoughts.
The pre-serve routine is huge. It has tremendously helped my consistency. I see so many people rushing their serves, and they often make mistakes. Slow it down, have a routine, and stick with it for better consistency. Great video!
Absolutely!
When I taught serving (volleyball and tennis and pickleball) I always told people to create a routine, a boring ritual that was almost identical from time to time.
I drop the drop serve from knee level. It forces me to bend my knees and WATCH THAT BALL and definitely not hesitate.
This video is going to totally change the way I serve my serves! I'm very new to pickleball, and really need to focus on consistency. Your very clearly defined approach is exactly what I need. Thank you!
So glad it helped!
@Warren_L. - "serve my serves"...very redundant redundant
@@thatpickleballguy
I don't have any issue with the serve. Because I come from a tennis background. So I had no trouble with putting the spin and pace and
depth on the serves. But does anyone know what's up with these bats? I need to talk to a pro player because I snapped one of the bats
after just 6 hours of hitting the pickelball around with it.
Hey Kyle, great video. I try to help new beginners and I want to do it right so your videos help a great deal. I see an uncanny amount of the time when we are all playing that if the server calls the serve while serving they miss the serve a ton, as you said they just aren't completely focused on the serve. I would add into your video to teach the "routine" as you outline it but also add in to be sure to take a breath, say the score and only after that begin your serve service. thanks again!
Thanks for watching and helping grow the game!
As a beginner struggling with my serves, thank you! I’ve watched a few serving videos, but I come back to yours because I like how you teach your serving technique!
Glad you find them helpful!
By far the best video I've seen on serving!! Thank you!
Thank you! Glad it helped!
Addressed all my serving questions in a short amount of time. Great video, thank you.
Fantastic! Glad it helped!
Hi Kyle, this video instantly improved my serve - thank you!! Prior to watching this video, I was a beginner who was constantly frustrated with my 50/50 consistency on the serve - yet never knew what I was doing wrong or how to correct it.
Great to hear!
Love how you explain clearly and concisely
Great video. Appreciate you giving simple and easily rememberable cues
Glad it was helpful!
Glad you clarified the toss Had this discussion the other day in a rec Game. So as long as the contact is below the navel/ waist with paddle below ball and upward trajectory it is legal?
The best thing I learned was at the end: the pre-serve routine. Loved it!
Awesome!!
I watched this video last night since I needed help with my serve. I played today and used the tips from the video! I was very pleased with my serve! Loved the video! Thanks so much!
Amazing! So glad it helped!
Thanks. He didn’t mention this. But make sure your wrist stays neutral, otherwise the ball may go out of bounds and you will develop shoulder problems.
Dude, your an awesome instructor. Your fluid and easy to listen to. I'm a beginner. I'm getting so much down. But, it's not overwhelming. Go pro. And I don't mean a head camera.
Thanks for the compliments! Glad to help!
THANK YOU FOR A VERY CLEAR, HELPFUL VIDEO.
Your video is a lifesaver for me. Question though. What angles would you recommend while serving from the other side of the court.
The 24.6 degree angle is the best.
Great instructions! I do wish the drop serve section had video on what it looked like altogether to visualize the concept more. Maybe just one slowmo in the middle to recap what we’re going for. Thanks for uploading!
Ahh shoot. that's a good point. sorry about that. Will make note for the next time I do a video on serving!
RUclips allows for playing vids in SloMo, as in 0.25 speed
Hey Kyle - Great tips provided to help a beginner build correct mental as well as muscle memory! To help, I didn't see you mention 3 main points of the volley serve - the upward swing; point of contact below the waist aka belly button; top of paddle below the wrist at point of contact. At least until the next changes arrive. Keep up the good teachings!
Thanks for watching!
The reference to the navel was removed from pickleball rules several years ago. They changed it to "waist" but don't clearly define that term.
Of the three, that is the one I have never heard a referee call for a fault.
If you comply with the other two requirements, upward motion and no part of the paddle head (face) above your wrist (when the paddle contacts the ball), hitting the ball a few inches higher than your waist doesn't give you any advantage.
Watch old videos of Sharapova before she served. It was always "tuck, tuck, bounce, bounce", where she would tuck her hair behind one ear and then the other, and then do two deliberate bounces. Or watch college softball pitchers. Almost all of them have a routine down pat prior to a pitch! Routines are such a great way of getting into that right headspace :)
Agreed!
Well done! Great lesson for intermediates. For beginners, there is a much simpler serve with less potential for error. Tennis is infiltrating all aspects of pickleball.
Thanks for watching!
@@thatpickleballguy I'm a real beginner because the bat I was given to hit with I had broke it after just only 6 hours of play when using
tennis drives with it The bat didn't last me long.
Being consistent
Hi Kyle. I am a 70-year-old woman and I just took my first pickleball clinic. I really like it! Our instructor sent us some videos to watch including this one. This is my problem. I am blind in my right eye so my depth perception is bad. I played a few practice games with some friends and chase the ball more than I hit it. I was wondering if you had any tips for me to overcome this disability. I really enjoy the game. Thank you in advance.❤
Hi there! Hope this video helped!
The truth is, more reps will be your best friend right now! I think everyone chases the ball more than they hit it with they first start playing :)
You're doing fine. Keep at it!!
@@thatpickleballguy thank you. Love your videos!
Excellent video! Your instructions were to the point, easy to understand, and presented a nice and clean method for consistency. Best wishes for your continued success here on RUclips as well as the Pickleball Court!
Hey Frank, thanks for watching! And glad it helped!
Great tips Kyle, Pickle Ball here I come! There IS life after Tennis! Thanks! 67 and NOT done quite yet.
You got this!
U are THAT PICKLEBALL GUY!!! Keep it up man really appreciate it!! Always watching ur journey! Just waiting for that gold against Ben johns
Coming :)
Newbie here and wonderful visual on how I should be doing my serve when not using the drop serve. Thank you.
Glad it helped!
Best intro basic striking skill on YT!
Wow, thanks!
Great form and swing
Great timing on this video because I hit all my serves out this past week 🙃🙃
Lets go!! Time to get right.
Just starting out you video are very helpful. Yes. You need to practice the basics until you get good or master it.
Glad it was helpful!
Love all your videos, Kyle. You’re my fave. Thanks for making us all better players + keeping it fun.
Oo
Wow! Thanks
For watching. Glad its helpful :)
Thankyou. I have passed it along to my granddaughter, who is a beginner
Glad it was helpful!
Great video. Very clear and very entertaining! Thank you.
Glad it was helpful!
Great video, will watch more of yours!!
Glad it was helpful!
Thank you Kyle! I love your videos!
Thanks for watching!
You're a great coach! Other than subscribing to your channel and liking your videos, i won't be able to reward you for sharing your knowledge. I wish you all the best in everything you pursue.
Thank you!
Please, please more emphasis on keeping the head, thusly the eyes down as if they were hitting four balls in secession. For you it is second nature, for beginners probably not.
Is your website down I just went to opt in for the 10 video series?
When you say all the nuanced rules are out the door on the drop serve, does that mean wrist paddle contact position?
Do you squat down only with the drop serve?
Either either. Use your legs for power
what's the stance as serving at the left side area (second serve area)?
I am a newbie do you have videos out there learning a lot from you
Check out these videos
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I don’t have an Instagram account. Is there another way to get the additional helps for serving? Thanks
Me and my co-worker beat a team 11-0 last week and beat a team 4x in a series today. Can you believe he finally called me out on my bad or weak serving on this day 😂 I'm like the best kitchen line player in the group as they say. So I told him man I can't be perfect all around, we all have a weakness😅
Love it! Great job, keep killing it!
Hi Kyle, I’ve seen your serve tutorial multiple times, went out to practice at the court. I still do poorly. I can do the even court drop serve. The odd court, I’m too short. The only way I can only drop serve and two handed back hand. Your thoughts?
One of your Best video's to date! Subscribed! and a great sense of humor!
Awesome Ward! Thanks for the encouragement. Glad it helped.
Great tips! Any updates to your pre-serve routine?
beside the backflip I added, still the same :)
Jk, but it is still similar! I'm really conscious about a breath before the serve now!
@@thatpickleballguy maybe you need a burpee :)
Which server is better to use, bounce or toss?
honestly its all preference! :)
Is it good to mix up serves to confuse the player returning the ball ? Like a baseball pitcher mixing pitches? A hard serve, soft serve (underhand lob) etc? Mixing up a serve from hard to soft to spin? Effective?
Yes switching up the serve, just like switching up between dinks and lobs, will keep you less predictable!
My primary serve is a fast topspin, close to the baseline, especially if they are standing too close.
It's funny to watch what happens when I change the pace and serve a high, slow lob. More often than not, they hit it out. The change in pace throws off their timing I guess.
On the toss serve, do I need to toss it up? I have been just dropping it down onto my paddle, not a drop serve where I let it bounce. Thank you!
It is all personal preference! Some toss it slightly, others don't. I recommend testing it out to see what works best for you!
@@thatpickleballguythis is why I'm watching this video! I pretty much release the ball and contact it with the paddle almost simultaneously - no toss. spent an hour trying to fix this habit today and hit a 'proper ' volley serve. it didn't go well so not sure what to do next! to toss or not to toss!
@@JasonKibbe Kyle's serve is very similar to mine. The slight toss helps with my timing. The ball barely goes up, stops then I hit it in the exact same place every time.
This was a gem!
Thanks for watching!
Great session. can i have that website again for serve lessons
Hey there, I don't do serve lessons at the time!
Kyle quick question about serve rules section 4 in the rule book. I know your feet can't touch the line or one foot can hover over the court. At what point can a foot or feet cross the line and touch the court? Is it when the ball leaves the paddle or crosses the net, or something different? Thanks Rick D.
After the ball has been struck!
I do toss serve and ppl those who can't return my serve starting to complain my form too high should i change to drop or just keep it.
Should I be practicing switching hands or practice by backhand? Thanks - subscribed!
Definitely practice your backhand. Switching hands isn't bad. Some do it. But in my opinion, takes much longer to get good at than working at your backhand.
@@thatpickleballguy You are the GOAT! Thanks Kyle. Your videos instantly made me a better player.
ah yes, the opening is very important on the path to improvement 😉
Touche. Couldn't agree more!
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Fantastic video! New player here, and this is very helpful
Glad it was helpful!
I'm having trouble visualizing what I should physically be doing differently in the two different methods of generating power (weight shift vs weight shift+core twist). If I watch your demonstration of both methods (6:56 vs 7:43), visually it looks like you're doing the exact same thing both times?
Yes, they aren't different methods. They work together to generate power.
Sorry if I made that a little bit confusing!
Short, sweet & helpful. Ty!
thanks for watching!
what about serving from the left side? how to arrange the feet?
Great video, my serve has been horrendous and makes pickleball no fun, do you change anything when serving from the other side?
I try to use similar technique on both sides. Try to go out one day and hit about 100 serves in a row to get more reps!
Thanks for the serving tips! I'm guilty of rushing my serves and not focusing and either hitting it out or in the net. You didn't talk about your eye contact. Do you pick a spot in the court and then watch the ball as you make contact? Sometimes I find myself not watching the ball as well
Definitely keep an eye on that ball & point the paddle in the direction where you want the ball to go. That's what I was taught. My serves are very consistent. Not powerful, but consistent.
So which serve style should a person concentrate on? Drop or toss?
It's all personal preference! I suggest testing both to see which one you like better and are more consistent at!
Correct me if I'm wrong since I've only played a few days and my own equipment is on the way as we speak, but isn't there room for a drop serve where you squat down A LOT and then explode upwards with your legs when hitting the ball, providing greater theoretical top-spin?
Yes you can do that!
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Excellent video, as always! Question: Is there any *objective* advantage to using the volley (toss) serve vs. the drop serve? It seems like the swing path and strike point are almost exactly the same between the two. I've been playing almost a year now and when I first started, I couldn't get the hang of the volley serve so I learned to drop. I can serve with pace and placement and even mix things up between topspin and slice. Yet most of the people I play who are at my level or better do NOT use the drop. I just wonder if I'm missing something if I want to get to 4.5 or 5.0 and beyond?
I have had a lot of success with a drop forehand SLICE serve. I use this shot a lot in tennis, so I have the feel of it. If the wind is behind me, the opponent is in trouble if it goes deep, and if the wind is in my face, he's in trouble if my serve is short! I mix in 3 or 4 other serves, sidespin, a combination of slice and side, and topspin. They all help. It's like pitching
It's a valid question. In my opinion, you can be dangerous with both. I'd experiment more for yourself with the volley (toss) serve and see. I feel like I can generate a bit more whip and topspin by not using the drop serve. But remember, if you're hitting it consistently with depth each time, doesn't matter which type you're using. That's the principle that creates the most success!
I am left handed. Where should I position myself? You stand closer to the middle line. Would I stand closer to the side line?
Standing in the middle while serving in doubles is pretty standard. If you're playing singles, i suggest standing closer to the center so you're ready for their return to be hit either way!
🔥Thanks! Great tips!🔥
Glad it was helpful!
When serving can you step in to the court as if walking then hit the ball?
Your foot can hover over the court but your foot can not touch in the court until after you have served!
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Hi Kyle, I was under the impression that you could not toss the ball up, but you clearly did on the toss serve. Is there a rule on that or is it just that until your video, I had never actually seen anyone do that in practice. Thanks!
You can toss the ball up :)
@@thatpickleballguyall the rules I’ve read say that the ball cannot be tossed up
@@philippeacock4729 You cannot toss the ball up or throw it down with a "drop" serve. You can only open your hand and drop it. The reason is, that up or down motion would cause the ball to bounce higher (possibly above your waist) and give you a big advantage since the 3 volley serve rules do not apply.
With a volley serve, you can toss the ball up but the 3 volley serve rules apply. You can toss the ball 20 feet in the air if you wish but you can't hit it until the ball drops at or below your waist.
Hi Kyle, so I was told that it wasn't legal to toss the ball in the air, at all, when doing a toss serve, that it could only be dropped. Correct or no plz?
Incorrect
Same here, I was told according to the new rules you can't toss the ball up anymore.
Yea, I just started and there seem to be conflicting messages out there
@@AlbertoOnWheels You can't toss the ball up or down with a Drop serve.
You can with a Volley (Kyle calls it a Toss) serve.
It's legal to toss the ball up on the toss (or volley) serve. You just can't spin it. No tossing on the drop serve..just hold and release.
I needed this video so bad.. love pickleball.. but I'm a terrible server. Thanks.
Lets go!!
Love your videos and i always share. The volley serve instructions however i totally disagree with unless the newbie comes from a tennis background able to do a successful tennis serve.
The newbie player without skill will struggle getting the serve in if I taught them your feet positioning. I teach learn to play and the majority would not have the mental ability to do the body rotation before hitting the ball.
Excellent video for those moving to the next level of improving your serve but not learning how to serve for those new to pickleball.
Good thoughts here :)
Thanks for sharing!
If my opponent misses hitting my serve what happens, is it a fault for either side?
That would be a point for you and you serve again!
@@thatpickleballguy Thanks!
Do a video on keeping score Please!
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Our local club has some disagreement about tossing the ball up on a volley serve. While some agree with you that because 4.A.7 does not address the toss serve that it is legal. Others contend that 4.A.5 prohibits "MANIPULATING" the ball on ANY serve and that a "toss" is a form of manipulation.
Thats fair. But the truth is, in my opinion it doesnt really matter that much. The manipulation rule was put into place to prevent spin serves that kick hard when they hit the ground.
We asked USA Pickleball about this seeming discrepancy and here is their reply I just received:
It seems like those same folks may be overlooking the rule language that says some natural rotation is expected when releasing that ball. Here is the rule itself:
"4.A.5. The serve shall be made with only one hand releasing the ball. While some natural rotation of the ball is expected during any release of the ball from the hand, the server shall not impart manipulation or spin on the ball with any part of the body immediately prior to the serve."
You can certainly toss the ball up on the volley serve, as long as unnatural spin is not imparted during the toss. That is certainly a judgement call for the referees or the opponents if a non-officiated match. But, if the opponent thinks there was some added manipulation, beyond that that which occurs naturally, then it's a replay.
Mark Peifer | Managing Director of Officiating, USA Pickleball
Chairman, USA Pickleball Rules Committee
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"4.A.5. ........ While some natural rotation of the ball is expected during any release of the ball from the hand, the server shall not impart manipulation or spin on the ball with any part of the body immediately prior to the serve."
It would cause less confusion if they would change the wording from "the server shall not impart manipulation or spin on the ball with any part of the body" to "the server shall not impart spin on the ball"
Other than a spin, what "manipulation" are they referring to???
Also, the rule clearly states only one hand can release the ball so what other parts of the body are they talking about???
Thanks, great video!
Thank you!
Can drop the ball inside the line????
Link for beginner videos doesn't work.
Just wondering. I let go of the ball while hand facing down and strike the ball almost immediately. I do not release the ball with any spin.
Yep that's good!
Just to be complete, the server also has to be between the centerline and sideline.
Yes good call!
I don't stand still and serve. I begin every serve by calling the score and then advance toward the baseline in one fluid motion, rotating my torso as my paddle contacts the ball.
My opponent was a pickleball coach recently and he said one of my serves was not legal because I called the score with one foot outside the extended centerline then advanced toward the baseline (well within the extended sideline and centerline and behind the baseline) and hit the ball.
The rule states:
4A.4… The moment the ball is served…4A4c neither of the server’s feet may touch the playing surface outside the imaginary extension of the sideline or centerline.
In my opinion, "The moment the ball is served" is the same thing as saying "The moment the paddle contacts the ball"
I asked another coach who agreed with my interpretation of the serving rules.
One year player with limited mobility. I play in a local league of 3.0 - 3.5. I served very hard for four points to win a game. I overheard our opponent say, "Winning points on serves is not the way to win points, play the game." Is serving hard a breach of etiquette? I want to continue playing in this space. I ask for Kyle and community advice. Thanks, JM
It could vary from person to person! Some might view it as breach of etiquette while others don't, but at the end of the day everyone plays different so everyone has to be ready to play against different styles!
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It's awesome!
The serve is my biggest challenge. I have gone to a backhand serve as its the only one I can consistently get in. Its not a bad serve but im hoping a routine can help me perfect a forehand serve with power. (The forehand is IN MY HEAD) like a pitcher who can't throw a strike. :/
Keep practicing and working on the forehand serve! You will get it!
what about body being outside the extended sideline ?
You gotta be inside!
THIS VIDEO IS AWESOME!
Glad it helped DaviD
I have played 5 years. Old tennis player. My serve always has been my strong point. All of a sudden, the yips showed up. I am trying to get back to basics... but why does it happen? And how to get it back. Thank you!
Oo yeah good question. I've had that happen too. After you miss some, peopl tend to question their ability in their shot.
One of the quickest ways to get it back is to.
1. go out and drill your serve. Hit about 100 and think about your technique as you do it.
2. Take some pace off it and focus on consistency.
See how that works!
@@thatpickleballguy thank you much...!
Thanks these are great advice for beginners!
Thanks! Glad it helped!
Hey ! Just a follow up with you!
I did applied some of the techniques and ideas last couple weeks.
It’s simple a big difference.
I had improved my our skills.,
and l shared it with a few friends and they are impressed with these advice and glad to use them in their games .
Thanks again!
I am still following you !!
Take care of enjoy your game !
when you do the stop action model of hour serve, it looks as though the top of the paddle is above your wrist. Is that serve rally 97mph? that's hard to believe.....
Serve was not 97 MPH, that was just a joke :)
@@thatpickleballguy top speed is usually 40 mph, according to online sources.....I didn't realize you were joking.
Explain, please, where we should stand behind the line. Close to the middle line, two feet from the line, etc. It's not clear to me what advantage we can gain by how close or far away from the center line we are.
My mom always tells me to slow down! I still need to work on that :) Thanks for the kind words!