I'm confuse why Angela only got 30 years. She was the master mind for all of it. She control them till the end, it was about her till the end because she testified to destroy her son when she did it all. Right birth, she control them. I don't think the whole story is out. I believe he told the truth, I believe he didn't want to do it. It is sickening, they are all guilty. He could have stopped it, but he was under control his whole life, he didn't know any different. It destroyed him
That's exactly right. A narcissist can ruin an entire family and she sure did. Then she threw all of them under the bus because no one mattered to her but her. Awful people with an evil queen running the show. 🤯
@@Ilene.s You're exactly right .. This disgusting Matriarch had total control of everyone round about her, especially her own family, who were all under the thumb . Awful sad case ..
What a horrible shame that “mother” didn’t get life. She ran that family. She trained them from infancy not to question her and do what they were told.
The fact that they felt like they had to take out an entire family to make sure that they got custody of the child, says that they are so unfit that the only way they would get custody is if there was absolutely nobody else available.
It shakes me to my core too (like the defense attorney said) that one day Angela may be free. She was the ring leader - the consumate evil manipulator behind all that happened.
Because women are not held accountable for their crimes in this country...the only reason she got a lighter sentence is because she is a woman whether people want to admit it or not
Out earlier with good behavior, but I don't think she will walk out of prison because of her age when she went in, plus her being over weight and people that go to prison for a few years tend to put a lot weight on, she's a walking heart attack or stroke
Minus 10 years automatic discount. Her and Jake most be laughing., no loved George will paid for them. Unvileaval and infuriating that the so called justice allowed another injustice be done, shameful
I am so sorry for your community. This must have been a nightmare for all of you, especially when you didn't know who did it. That must have been terrifying. 💔
Omg.. 35 years ago I was married for 9 months. I was very young and we moved next door to his mother on their property. His sister was creepy, jealous.. his brother hated me... his mom took my dog and CONTROLLED the family. She would report what times I came and went, my family was not allowed to visit, 😢 and my husband was controlling and abusive. He beat me when he was drunk and kicked me while I was on the floor. His mother came over and asked me "What did I do to cause him to do this!" I grabbed my keys to flee and she took them from me 😮 I then managed to sneak my spare set of keys, run to car, and locked the doors. Covered in blood, hardly able to bend or lift my arms I drove across the state line to a coworkers house and she took me to the hospital. My kidney was so swollen you could visually see it protruding in the photos, doctors said 1 more Kick and it would have ruptured. My sternum was fractured , making it difficult to raise my arms and painful to move, cough,sneeze 😢. Doctors stitched my face while the police took pictures and reports. When the divorce was final and I got my name back all I could say was, "Thank God I didn't have children with this man and his psycho family!!!" I've been happily married for 26 years and retired comfortably. Haven't thought about that past in long time. Listening to the testimony of these women brought back floods of horror and only reminded me 😭 that I had been so thankful 🙏 that I had no offspring attachment to that hideous family... Who knows what could have happened to me and my extended family 😵 I've never shared this life detail with strangers but hopefully I've shown enough RED 🚩Flags to help another person to get out of that type of relationship before it goes bad 💔🙏🙏🙏
Happy you escaped/ survived. So sad you went through that. I know you don’t like to think about it, but your story should be made into a movie or something. It might help others to escape their horrible relationships like yours was.
They seperate so they can control & abuse. Glad u left but even tho bruises heal, verbal abuse lasts longer. Hope u can heal bc none of the abuse was ur fault they just project! Always ask HOW DO OR DID U GET ALONG WITH UR MOTHER, from now on. I too, was abused with his family taking his side.
ALL of them are guilty ! George squirmed throughout the whole trial. Billy is up next. RIP to the 8 souls. The trial was absolutely gut wrenching. I hope the families are healing and surrounded with lovè & support 💕
OMG the victim impact statements 😭 I could not stop crying for an hour straight. It was so sad. This crime was absolutely uncalled for. All to get custody. Now the little girl has two generations gone. Mom and her siblings and parents dead. Dad and his parents and sibling In prison forever. It's awful!!
Even if he didn't pull the trigger, he did not report the murders to the police, making him as guilty as they are. Life in prison was a good decision by the jury. They didn't fall for his "I am different than the rest of my family" self pity crap. 3 down, 1 more to go. Billy, do yourself and everyone else a favor, enter a guilty plea
I feel like I know the Rhodens from the trials. George's ex was alive bc she gave up her child to the Wagners or she too would be dead. So hope all their victims heal.wagners had a puppy mill too. ADOPT DONT SHOP!💜🐾💜🙏
This story out of thousands of crime stories I’ve seen on utube or read about, this on is so crazy to wipe out a whole family , the audacity behind this unreal!
This case is beyond comprehension. The roots of madness in this family run deep. There were never going to be any winners. So sad for the children to be left with such loss. 💔
It's so unthinkable. She was going to take all of them down even though she planned everything, so she had a shot at freedom one day. Wow. I think Billy wasn't found innocent because he didn't do enough to be separate from his family. He was there, and if he didn't want anyone murdered, he should have gone to the police before the killings. He could have stopped all of this if he really wanted to.
It never fails to amaze me how far a narcissist will go to maintain control. She created children who dare not defy her and then she used them to do what she wanted done. Imagine how she treated her kids growing up in order to have that much control over them. Yikes 😳
I believe that mother was the mastermind in this insidious act🤬🤬🤬 They should not of given her a deal. She should of been sentenced to death. Infact all of them should of gotten the death penalty 🤬🤬
I think living a miserable lifetime in prison dealing with your guilt is a good punishment! Their gonna die anyway, I just think prison is hell on earth, then the real thing comes and they have no hope! You ever lived without hope?? It's abject misery.
@frankskoda-simmons satan is a liar and a deceiver much like you, God gave everyone free will to do good or evil, they chose evil, that's on satan. Repent and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior before its to late
This is the one case that I will never forget. I've lived in Ohio all my life and I remember when the Rhoden family were murdered. My heart goes out to each and every one of their loved ones that were left behind. ❤
I hate when the perpetrators or their families get custody of the child or children. I hope someone from the Rhodes family got custody of the little girl and not the Wagner’s.
Jake and Mom, the two most guilty in my opinion received the sweetheart deals of a lifetime. George and Dad will pay the real price for Jake and Mom's diabolical plan/scheme. They should not have given any deals and instead charged all of them.
After watching so many crime stories one thing is true, whomever talks first gets the better deal. George should have said something at first maybe he would have gotten a deal. No way this was going to have a not guilty verdict. He was there and he saw things and didn't say anything so in my eyes and the jury's eyes he's guilty thank God.
I’m pissed about the sweetheart deals. Real pissed. George is a liar and guilty but he did not do the most evil here. Angela and Jake did. Then prob Billy. George should’ve gotten the least time! In a way, he got railroaded in life by his sick mom and brother before all this and even with the murders he got railroaded
The dynamic is a bit like for when the last woman to be executed in Sweden in the late 19th century, Anna Månsdotter. They even look a bit alike. Her son and his wife lived at her farm and they killed the wife/daughter in law. She received a lifetime prison sentence for the inappropriate relationship with the son and death by beheading for the murder which she had instigated and participated in. Her son was sentenced to death as well but he was pardoned so he was to serve lifetime in prison with obligation to work. He was described as very much under his mother's spell, he had two siblings but they had both passed in early years. One of them was his twin sister.
As weird as Angela Wagner acted with the grandchildren and how she accused the mothers of sexually molesting them, I wouldn't doubt one bit if SHE was molesting them! Why would she INSIST her grandson's mom go lay down for a nap while she (Angela) played with him? 🤔 Think about it.
I am so glad I am not the only one who was convinced that was exactly what was happening! I started scrolling through comments just to see if anyone else caught that part of her statement
George was thrown out to the wolves smh. You could see he was the one who was the most free willed and compassionate, which is why they all flipped on him before he could. Idk what the procecuters where thinking giving those kinds of deals out to the mother and the son who had the most incentive to kill the family for his kid. George deserves 15 to life with the possibility of parole the rest of them deserve the death penalty
So they take out an entire family over a baby that was conceived by statutory R…then they all turn on each other. They all deserve the same sentence they gave to all 8 (9 including that baby girl) victims.
In small towns, young girls are running around freely with much older men. As they congratulate the man, the female is damned for everything even though she is a victim of a predator. These men are sick and never are held accountable for their actions.
Agree! We must be more vigilant to protect innocence always! Unfortunately in my experience these girls don't cooperate as they think they're cool. Praying things will change quickly! We can't stop standing to protect innocence!
I remember when this happened it scared me then and still sticks with me now because it was horrible what they did to that whole family . They found Billy in Lexington Ky not far from where I live and I just couldn’t believe that he was that close to us . All because of a custodial dispute of a little girl that now doesn’t have a mother or a father it was all so senseless . They’re a cold blooded bunch of people no doubt about it !
"Anyone with a badge is crooked, " o...k...... so murdering an entire family is... His family are delusional. I also wonder if Angela had an unhealthy obsession with her son Jake. Randomly accusing women of SA kids to get them out of his life.
This “mother” valued family so much that the first thing she does to save herself was turn against her son. George wasn’t stuck. He made choices to stay and go along w his mother’s deranged wishes. They were all whacked mentally. George was there. Despite all the antecedents, he was complicit.
Did anyone else that watched the entire trial realize that the defenses main argument was that George had no idea about the murders, but then at one point actually said he only went along the night of the murders to protect Jake from their dad?😂 I remember thinking throughout "there is no way all this planning went into it and then their actions after and he had no clue" then at the point they said he went along to the crime scenes that night to protect his brother i was like WAIT WHAT!!!!! How did he have no idea they was involved but yet he went with them that night make it make sense.
It's such a horrific tragedy! Truth is definitely stranger than fiction. Hard, hard trial to watch (for real, the "ummms and uhhhs" were excruciating). And I do not think Angela nor Jake should have had the right to opt out of being on TV. They wanted to stay "hidden" like the cowards they are! So, so many affected by these acts of deviant creatures 😢💔
@Sandi-ke9mi we know him way back in the day from Court TV. Vinnie was and still is one of the best. I am not sure if I started watching him from Scott Peterson's case or a little before that.
You did a good job presenting these cases to the public. That's the hard part seeing this entire family as guilty. When you think about it though that's the way they treated their victims: one unsubstantiated crime then the entire family was guilty and needed to pay with their lives.
They all deserve at minimum life in prison without the possibility of parole. This family took eight lives. They do not deserve freedom if there is justice.
I know this whole family and they are good people. I miss my friends. The Wagner's were always out for themselves and money. Kenneth bought the property off my father-in-law on left fork. I brought our daughter home when she was born to camp creek. I'm so sorry for my friends who died. Hannah Frankie and froggy (lil Chris) was with me a lot when they were younger. Bobby Jo their ain't was a good friend of mine and Dana was a hard working woman who loved her kids. I hate those for the Rhodens...
Good families to not have sophisticated pot grow labs on their property. Both of these families are typical Appalachian region outlaw types. We have plenty just like the Wagners and Rhortens living in eastern tn. Lots of illegal drug activities going on in our Appalachian mountains in Tennessee and over in far southwest region of Virginia.
Wow. The underlying spirit in the Wagner family was the mother's....she made the rules and planted the idea that the grandchildren were possibly being abused...unchecked by her husband and a consciousness that died in her soul long before these murders.
His defense talking about him right before he took the stand saying "he was a different person, he was an individual" which proved the DA's point. He was an individual he could've said no or went to LE he didn't HAVE to take part in the massacre! Good Job Bud!
The defense put up a good trail for George. I almost thought they might say not guilty. I don’t know if he actually killed anyone but he knew about it and didn’t do anything at the least. I wish he would of just left that day instead of going back. I’m sure he does too. It’s so crazy how they blew out an entire family and thought they’d get away with it.
I live in Warren County…NE of Cincinnati…. We were all shocked… Mike DeWine was the Phio State AG, at the time…He has a lot to do with the investigation… and went on to be Governor… …
This case is beyond heartbreaking and gut wrenching. The fact that one family unalived generations of another family all over custody of a child is mind-boggling to me. I am also shocked that Angela wasn’t at least given life without the possibility of parole since she was the mastermind and ring leader of this abhorrent plot. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims’ families and loved ones. I hope that the children are being raised in a loving and supportive home where they are given the tools necessary to process and to begin to heal from this hellacious tragedy.
When your poor ,COMMING from a big family ,Family is everything to each other ,I would imagine them helping out each other , friends with each other , very close ! That dear grandmother that lost he whole family she broke my heart God Bless them left behind May God Bless them with peace of mind ,❤️🙏🇨🇦
George might have wanted to get away from his family but it was clear from the trial he still did what mommy and daddy asked of him. If his ex wife had the money to fight for her child she maybe dead to but George got control of his child. George may not have pulled the trigger but he was there during the planning and the murders. He could've came forward and might have saved himself a lot of jail time.
We can't help but think, had the local law followed through with statutory rape, as the one Wagner son, Jake, was probably having sex with Hannah when she was 13 or 14yrs old, and he was an adult. You have to wonder about someone like that, as well as the family that allowed her to move in and live with him under their roof. You'd think that would be contributing to the delinquency of a minor. What the heck is wrong with all those people there? It's just okay that an adult male has sex with young teenagers of 13, 14 or 15? Would all those people still be alive today if they'd have dealt with sketchy behavior years earlier? Good grief!
He had just turned 17. However, my Sister had a gf who was 13 while I was 17. Her mom had her send me cookies while I was in jump school. It bothered me that a mother would encourage her daughter to "grow up too quickly." I gave the cookies to teammates. I would help her with her fixing her first car. After she had turned 18. If I could politely without hurting a young girl's feelings say no to a relationship of any kind in allowing a young girl to grow up at her own pace into adulthood, then he could have too.
I got to see this story all over the news when this happened. If you loved your child so much why would you kill her mother while she's sleep in Mom's bed?
I can believe that George wanted to get away from his family, and I believe that he didn’t shot anyone, but he was there and knew the plans and did nothing to stop it. As far as Jake smiling and chuckling, that is most likely because of nervousness, which is common. I’m not defending Jake at all, but you can’t take those actions, the smiling and chuckling, as a sign of enjoyment.
I don't agree....in his eyes he won. Hope he treasured the small amount of time he spent with his daughter. Hopefully he will never lay eyes on her again. What a shame that innocent little girl has to grow up know her sperm donor was an actual animal.
George is a bitter and twisted little POS. He thought his sneering "I don't remembers" would separate him from the scum and convince people he would never align himself with them but he was just another cut of the same cloth. 👿
All we should have heard was “20 year old has a baby with a 15 year old and is sent straight to jail” and it should’ve ended right there. So sad they didn’t get him before him and his crazy family could even commit these murders.
I had some friends from there. Big on breeding, drinking, and mudding. Not big on education, but huge on hunting and showing off the kills. Why would anyone be surprised when they hunt each other is the biggest question.
Amazing how the state of Ohio made the deals with the two worst member of that family. The mother was prodding the sons crimes, she's the one that demanded the children be turned over to her, and Alex is the one who wanted them all dead, as the only way he could have his child.
We were right around that area that day picking up our puppy Wheaton Terrier. All of the sirens, would never had realized what was happening for the four hour drive back to Cleveland then seeing the news being horrified. Such a sad story that never needed to happen, so glad people are paying the price for this devastating family annihilation.
This family the Wagner's , where all possessed by demons,people don't believe demons exist,well,here is a proof. Thanks Vinnie and team for another excellent story account.
Blaming it on demons takes away the agency that we all possess and gives this terrible family a way out, an excuse. Every single person learns right from wrong as a child and has the ability to control their own actions. Demons are a made-up entity that people who commit atrocious crimes use to pretend that they were not in control of themselves at the time. We should not let terrible people explain away their misdeeds by claiming it wasn't actually them who committed the murders but some vague other who popped into them like they were popping in for a cup of tea. Bad people exist, bad people have existed since the dawn of time, we see them all the time. But actual demon entities who inhabit people just for a couple hours to commit atrocious crimes, no. Four demons didn't just look up and think "yeah! Let's jump into these four family members and murder another family so they can have custody of this baby!" No, they are just bad people who decided to do whatever they wanted to achieve their goals. It's that simple.
Some people are bad. This family was led by bad parents who manipulated their children, kept them stupid and dependent. Demons are convenient but not as frightening as this woman.
@@lindseyhudson1274 NOT TRUE, they do exist and they can possess humans as well as animals, and I perceive that you are an ATHEIST, because you couldn't be a Christian since Jesus himself relieved people of this type of possession.
It’s so sad that this is how things go in some families where they do something to a family member, and then accuse that family member of doing it to them as we can see here in this court case it’s projection 26:36
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I'm confuse why Angela only got 30 years. She was the master mind for all of it. She control them till the end, it was about her till the end because she testified to destroy her son when she did it all. Right birth, she control them. I don't think the whole story is out. I believe he told the truth, I believe he didn't want to do it. It is sickening, they are all guilty. He could have stopped it, but he was under control his whole life, he didn't know any different. It destroyed him
I watched the entire trial , it still makes me angry, the mother was the instigator, she deserved the death penalty..
A 20 year old having a baby with a 15 year old! The family should have gone to police upfront.
YES!!!!!
I don't like it but I have a problem with blaming the victim's family for any of this. But that's just me.
I'm from Appalachia. I'm not surprised at all.
Depends on the jurisdiction because the age of consent is different from place to place.
Yup..
Seems to me that this all happened bc that horrible woman wanted sole control of her grandchild at any cost and her family complied.
That's exactly right. A narcissist can ruin an entire family and she sure did. Then she threw all of them under the bus because no one mattered to her but her. Awful people with an evil queen running the show. 🤯
@@Ilene.s
You're exactly right ..
This disgusting Matriarch had total control of everyone round about her, especially her own family, who were all under the thumb .
Awful sad case ..
They had collective narcissism, but the matriarch was ruler in that family.
Yep and then testified against one son and already agreed to help convict her husband next year too. She got the lightest sentence. She is the devil!
Tabby is only alive because she gave in. Hannah fought back and it cost her the lives of her entire family. They're evil.
What a horrible shame that “mother” didn’t get life. She ran that family. She trained them from infancy not to question her and do what they were told.
Thanks for the premise of the story , that saved me 41 minutes.
I think she should’ve been the main one to get the death penalty
@@hollybland9928 Ugh My bad 😞
She is a control freak with zero morals. Manipulator!
That actually sounds like almost any American family I have ever heard about ...
No deals should have been given to those demons. They all need the death sentence.
The fact that they felt like they had to take out an entire family to make sure that they got custody of the child, says that they are so unfit that the only way they would get custody is if there was absolutely nobody else available.
It shakes me to my core too (like the defense attorney said) that one day Angela may be free. She was the ring leader - the consumate evil manipulator behind all that happened.
She is never getting out. Too many people will be at any parole hearing she might have. Thank goodness.
If anything George should of gotten 30 and she got life
well this is earth God she cant escape Gods judgement
Yeah ,shes the one that wanted the baby taken away from Annamae in the first place, it was all her doing.
Because women are not held accountable for their crimes in this country...the only reason she got a lighter sentence is because she is a woman whether people want to admit it or not
I think the mother was in charge of everything. She is controlling and clearly evil.
Too bad she can get out in 30 years
Out earlier with good behavior, but I don't think she will walk out of prison because of her age when she went in, plus her being over weight and people that go to prison for a few years tend to put a lot weight on, she's a walking heart attack or stroke
Hopefully meet her demise in jail b4 that time 💥
Minus 10 years automatic discount. Her and Jake most be laughing., no loved George will paid for them. Unvileaval and infuriating that the so called justice allowed another injustice be done, shameful
This was10 minutes from my house...really hit our small community hard 😢 thanks for covering!
I am so sorry for your community. This must have been a nightmare for all of you, especially when you didn't know who did it. That must have been terrifying. 💔
Terrifying, heartbreaking, and so helpless...thank God gov DeWine and law enforcement worked so diligently on this! Prayers for families ❤️
❤ Prayers for the victims of this beasty mob .
I'm sorry for you and the family that loss of lives. So sad. I thing grandma had some part of this.
Such horror for all concerned.
Strength and peace to all affected 💟
Omg.. 35 years ago I was married for 9 months. I was very young and we moved next door to his mother on their property. His sister was creepy, jealous.. his brother hated me... his mom took my dog and CONTROLLED the family. She would report what times I came and went, my family was not allowed to visit, 😢 and my husband was controlling and abusive. He beat me when he was drunk and kicked me while I was on the floor. His mother came over and asked me "What did I do to cause him to do this!" I grabbed my keys to flee and she took them from me 😮 I then managed to sneak my spare set of keys, run to car, and locked the doors. Covered in blood, hardly able to bend or lift my arms I drove across the state line to a coworkers house and she took me to the hospital. My kidney was so swollen you could visually see it protruding in the photos, doctors said 1 more Kick and it would have ruptured. My sternum was fractured , making it difficult to raise my arms and painful to move, cough,sneeze 😢. Doctors stitched my face while the police took pictures and reports. When the divorce was final and I got my name back all I could say was, "Thank God I didn't have children with this man and his psycho family!!!" I've been happily married for 26 years and retired comfortably. Haven't thought about that past in long time. Listening to the testimony of these women brought back floods of horror and only reminded me 😭 that I had been so thankful 🙏 that I had no offspring attachment to that hideous family... Who knows what could have happened to me and my extended family 😵 I've never shared this life detail with strangers but hopefully I've shown enough RED 🚩Flags to help another person to get out of that type of relationship before it goes bad 💔🙏🙏🙏
So glad you escaped!
Best wishes to you and all 🩷💫
Reminds of the Kevin Costner & Diane Lane movie & countless other stories I've heard. So sorry u had to go through that, but glad u survived it! 💜💜💜💜💜
Happy you escaped/ survived. So sad you went through that. I know you don’t like to think about it, but your story should be made into a movie or something. It might help others to escape their horrible relationships like yours was.
They seperate so they can control & abuse. Glad u left but even tho bruises heal, verbal abuse lasts longer. Hope u can heal bc none of the abuse was ur fault they just project!
Always ask HOW DO OR DID U GET ALONG WITH UR MOTHER, from now on. I too, was abused with his family taking his side.
Damn I'm truly sorry much love
ALL of them are guilty ! George squirmed throughout the whole trial. Billy is up next. RIP to the 8 souls. The trial was absolutely gut wrenching. I hope the families are healing and surrounded with lovè & support 💕
OMG the victim impact statements 😭 I could not stop crying for an hour straight. It was so sad. This crime was absolutely uncalled for. All to get custody. Now the little girl has two generations gone. Mom and her siblings and parents dead. Dad and his parents and sibling In prison forever. It's awful!!
Even if he didn't pull the trigger, he did not report the murders to the police, making him as guilty as they are. Life in prison was a good decision by the jury. They didn't fall for his "I am different than the rest of my family" self pity crap. 3 down, 1 more to go. Billy, do yourself and everyone else a favor, enter a guilty plea
I feel like I know the Rhodens from the trials. George's ex was alive bc she gave up her child to the Wagners or she too would be dead. So hope all their victims heal.wagners had a puppy mill too. ADOPT DONT SHOP!💜🐾💜🙏
This story out of thousands of crime stories I’ve seen on utube or read about, this on is so crazy to wipe out a whole family , the audacity behind this unreal!
Yes, all because of a child, that’s now orphaned. 😢
@@Sandi-ke9mino, it was all because a horrible woman thought that her desires were the only thing that mattered.
This case is beyond comprehension.
The roots of madness in this family run deep.
There were never going to be any winners.
So sad for the children to be left with such loss. 💔
It's so unthinkable. She was going to take all of them down even though she planned everything, so she had a shot at freedom one day. Wow. I think Billy wasn't found innocent because he didn't do enough to be separate from his family. He was there, and if he didn't want anyone murdered, he should have gone to the police before the killings. He could have stopped all of this if he really wanted to.
Even sadder if they hadnt been spared
so sad their children carry those genes.
Genes will be transferred for sure.
It never fails to amaze me how far a narcissist will go to maintain control. She created children who dare not defy her and then she used them to do what she wanted done. Imagine how she treated her kids growing up in order to have that much control over them. Yikes 😳
Angela Wagner definitely deserved the death penalty for her evilness. The world is a better place without humans like her.
@@MrBetc💯
Not no more... karma always waiting.
Angela is a criminal, I can't believe she will be out one day. Makes no sense.
It why I don’t believe George was the one who wanted the ppl died she was the boss
I watched this story all fall into place. I can’t imagine how evil this family is. These children growing up without the parents. All for jealousy…
I believe that mother was the mastermind in this insidious act🤬🤬🤬
They should not of given her a deal. She should of been sentenced to death. Infact all of them should of gotten the death penalty 🤬🤬
I think so too
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I think living a miserable lifetime in prison dealing with your guilt is a good punishment! Their gonna die anyway, I just think prison is hell on earth, then the real thing comes and they have no hope! You ever lived without hope?? It's abject misery.
Justice for the Rhoden, Manley, & Gilley families 🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡
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God Bless those surviving children. Someday they will be able to piece this together. Extremely haunting and cruel.
@frankskoda-simmons satan is a liar and a deceiver much like you, God gave everyone free will to do good or evil, they chose evil, that's on satan. Repent and accept Jesus as your Lord and Savior before its to late
This is the one case that I will never forget. I've lived in Ohio all my life and I remember when the Rhoden family were murdered. My heart goes out to each and every one of their loved ones that were left behind. ❤
Is it a good place to live would you say? And what exactly is a buckeye? Is it a chestnut?
@@bennyd345no! They are chocolate covered peanut butter balls! It's like a gourmet version of a Reese's peanut butter cup
No one left behind except children that cant talk, 1 was the one they wanted and the others were to young to talk. Devils.
I hope the mother never gets out of jail. She was the master mind! So Sad for the eight souls murdered.
ShEll be that old and sick for the remainder of her life outside of prison with no one so she'll die a lonely old lady.
It's truly scary that they almost got away with this.
Absolutely!
I hate when the perpetrators or their families get custody of the child or children. I hope someone from the Rhodes family got custody of the little girl and not the Wagner’s.
Jake and Mom, the two most guilty in my opinion received the sweetheart deals of a lifetime. George and Dad will pay the real price for Jake and Mom's diabolical plan/scheme.
They should not have given any deals and instead charged all of them.
They are not getting off easy. Their testimony guaranteed that none of them would get off. Plus it is great seeing them turn on each other.
After watching so many crime stories one thing is true, whomever talks first gets the better deal. George should have said something at first maybe he would have gotten a deal. No way this was going to have a not guilty verdict. He was there and he saw things and didn't say anything so in my eyes and the jury's eyes he's guilty thank God.
Billy did his fair gruesome share. 👿
@@Ilene.sAngela has a chance of getting out of prison.
I’m pissed about the sweetheart deals. Real pissed. George is a liar and guilty but he did not do the most evil here. Angela and Jake did. Then prob Billy. George should’ve gotten the least time! In a way, he got railroaded in life by his sick mom and brother before all this and even with the murders he got railroaded
7:30pm on a Saturday evening and Vinnie pops up. Perfect timing.
Pray tell! Where are you that's it's 7:30 an hour ago, on this saturday?
It's 11:48am in Bakersfield, California, in saturday.
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Not bad for the middle of the day either. 😊
It came on at 70:30 here in Ireland aswell 🇮🇪
3:00pm in Los Angeles...love ittttt
GOD BLESS The Rhodens, Manleys and Gillies. Survivors 🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡🧡
Unbelievable story.. the whole family is absolutely mad.. and now the baby has no one..
all these people who survived that family, totally traumatized. Wow. I just cannot handle that such evil even exists. Terrifying.
Clearly no boundaries in that family. Very much premeditated.
The dynamic is a bit like for when the last woman to be executed in Sweden in the late 19th century, Anna Månsdotter. They even look a bit alike. Her son and his wife lived at her farm and they killed the wife/daughter in law. She received a lifetime prison sentence for the inappropriate relationship with the son and death by beheading for the murder which she had instigated and participated in.
Her son was sentenced to death as well but he was pardoned so he was to serve lifetime in prison with obligation to work. He was described as very much under his mother's spell, he had two siblings but they had both passed in early years. One of them was his twin sister.
That family is beyond cold. They have no heart.
They worked as a “unit” and then turned on each other…so sick
The family was everyone's worst nightmare
As weird as Angela Wagner acted with the grandchildren and how she accused the mothers of sexually molesting them, I wouldn't doubt one bit if SHE was molesting them! Why would she INSIST her grandson's mom go lay down for a nap while she (Angela) played with him? 🤔 Think about it.
Narcissist accuse others of what they are doing.
I agree with what your saying
Thats a real good question
Yes and George's ex wife said she rubbed his back every single night in bed without the wife able to be in there
I am so glad I am not the only one who was convinced that was exactly what was happening! I started scrolling through comments just to see if anyone else caught that part of her statement
George was thrown out to the wolves smh. You could see he was the one who was the most free willed and compassionate, which is why they all flipped on him before he could. Idk what the procecuters where thinking giving those kinds of deals out to the mother and the son who had the most incentive to kill the family for his kid. George deserves 15 to life with the possibility of parole the rest of them deserve the death penalty
That mother considers the grand daughter a piece of property, just like her own kids
The fact that the kids were spared,shows that it was personal.
So they take out an entire family over a baby that was conceived by statutory R…then they all turn on each other. They all deserve the same sentence they gave to all 8 (9 including that baby girl) victims.
In small towns, young girls are running around freely with much older men. As they congratulate the man, the female is damned for everything even though she is a victim of a predator. These men are sick and never are held accountable for their actions.
Agree! We must be more vigilant to protect innocence always! Unfortunately in my experience these girls don't cooperate as they think they're cool. Praying things will change quickly! We can't stop standing to protect innocence!
It happens everywhere.
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I remember when this happened it scared me then and still sticks with me now because it was horrible what they did to that whole family . They found Billy in Lexington Ky not far from where I live and I just couldn’t believe that he was that close to us . All because of a custodial dispute of a little girl that now doesn’t have a mother or a father it was all so senseless . They’re a cold blooded bunch of people no doubt about it !
"Anyone with a badge is crooked, " o...k...... so murdering an entire family is...
His family are delusional. I also wonder if Angela had an unhealthy obsession with her son Jake. Randomly accusing women of SA kids to get them out of his life.
A narcissist will do pretty much anything to maintain control. She is the perfect example.
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" Made to go take a nap .. while Angela played with my son "
Did Angela have unhealthy obsessions with her grandchildren too 🤔
@@mol588I immediately thought that too
Jake, and possibly children as these types need new victims.
Angela just wants her own baby girl and do what a psychopath do better. Take what they want no matter the cost.
This “mother” valued family so much that the first thing she does to save herself was turn against her son. George wasn’t stuck. He made choices to stay and go along w his mother’s deranged wishes.
They were all whacked mentally. George was there. Despite all the antecedents, he was complicit.
Did anyone else that watched the entire trial realize that the defenses main argument was that George had no idea about the murders, but then at one point actually said he only went along the night of the murders to protect Jake from their dad?😂 I remember thinking throughout "there is no way all this planning went into it and then their actions after and he had no clue" then at the point they said he went along to the crime scenes that night to protect his brother i was like WAIT WHAT!!!!! How did he have no idea they was involved but yet he went with them that night make it make sense.
I really like this show! Vinnie is the best at what he does and that makes all the difference!
It's such a horrific tragedy! Truth is definitely stranger than fiction. Hard, hard trial to watch (for real, the "ummms and uhhhs" were excruciating). And I do not think Angela nor Jake should have had the right to opt out of being on TV. They wanted to stay "hidden" like the cowards they are! So, so many affected by these acts of deviant creatures 😢💔
I followed this case and watched the trial. Very sad 😢 senseless crime.
When did this happen?
The artist is remarkable.
The podcast is really good, too. No one "wins" in this.
Thank you so much Vinnie, we love you!!
I am new to Vinnies show, but I see so many people showing him love. That’s nice to see. 🙏🏻🥰
@Sandi-ke9mi we know him way back in the day from Court TV. Vinnie was and still is one of the best. I am not sure if I started watching him from Scott Peterson's case or a little before that.
@@laurenmay2098 I started watching him from the Travis Alexander case.
Family member ?
You did a good job presenting these cases to the public. That's the hard part seeing this entire family as guilty. When you think about it though that's the way they treated their victims: one unsubstantiated crime then the entire family was guilty and needed to pay with their lives.
They all deserve at minimum life in prison without the possibility of parole. This family took eight lives. They do not deserve freedom if there is justice.
To me it sounds like the mother was more involved, what she said goes. Throw them all in jail. The world will be a better place.
I know this whole family and they are good people. I miss my friends. The Wagner's were always out for themselves and money. Kenneth bought the property off my father-in-law on left fork. I brought our daughter home when she was born to camp creek. I'm so sorry for my friends who died. Hannah Frankie and froggy (lil Chris) was with me a lot when they were younger. Bobby Jo their ain't was a good friend of mine and Dana was a hard working woman who loved her kids. I hate those for the Rhodens...
I'm sorry for your loss 😢
Good families to not have sophisticated pot grow labs on their property. Both of these families are typical Appalachian region outlaw types. We have plenty just like the Wagners and Rhortens living in eastern tn. Lots of illegal drug activities going on in our Appalachian mountains in Tennessee and over in far southwest region of Virginia.
Hopefully, you feel some justice! These people are monsters! So sorry for your loss. 😢
Wow. The underlying spirit in the Wagner family was the mother's....she made the rules and planted the idea that the grandchildren were possibly being abused...unchecked by her husband and a consciousness that died in her soul long before these murders.
His defense talking about him right before he took the stand saying "he was a different person, he was an individual" which proved the DA's point. He was an individual he could've said no or went to LE he didn't HAVE to take part in the massacre! Good Job Bud!
The defense put up a good trail for George. I almost thought they might say not guilty. I don’t know if he actually killed anyone but he knew about it and didn’t do anything at the least. I wish he would of just left that day instead of going back. I’m sure he does too. It’s so crazy how they blew out an entire family and thought they’d get away with it.
Excellent production.
Thank you, Vinnie!! We love you!!
I live in Warren County…NE of Cincinnati…. We were all shocked… Mike DeWine was the Phio State AG, at the time…He has a lot to do with the investigation… and went on to be Governor… …
This case is beyond heartbreaking and gut wrenching. The fact that one family unalived generations of another family all over custody of a child is mind-boggling to me. I am also shocked that Angela wasn’t at least given life without the possibility of parole since she was the mastermind and ring leader of this abhorrent plot. My thoughts and prayers are with the victims’ families and loved ones. I hope that the children are being raised in a loving and supportive home where they are given the tools necessary to process and to begin to heal from this hellacious tragedy.
What a pit of vipers. I understand his brother turning on him, but his mother??? Shocking
When your poor ,COMMING from a big family ,Family is everything to each other ,I would imagine them helping out each other , friends with each other , very close ! That dear grandmother that lost he whole family she broke my heart God Bless them left behind May God Bless them with peace of mind ,❤️🙏🇨🇦
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This guy has a lot of courage to run away from that corruption that takes so much strength 31:47
George might have wanted to get away from his family but it was clear from the trial he still did what mommy and daddy asked of him. If his ex wife had the money to fight for her child she maybe dead to but George got control of his child. George may not have pulled the trigger but he was there during the planning and the murders. He could've came forward and might have saved himself a lot of jail time.
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Let’s see how tough Angela is in prison.
She’s probably running scams in there too
Yep she's an older Jodi Arias.
the number of lives that Angela and Billy Wagner destroyed is staggering. staggering.
Rest In Paradise To The The Rhoden Family.
Reality stranger than fiction. Pure ghastly evil brooding in their family cauldron for months. Wish I heeded the warning message and NOT watched this.
So George didn’t kill anyone and got life with no parole? Sheesh
Judges should be able to overturn amenity for horrible people like these.
Thanks!
These fools really thought that they were going to get away with this crime is ridiculous. RIH To The Deceased Victims
Sick family, I believe the mother is the ringleader
Many things can go wrong when one family are known criminals and the other family are known drug dealers.
I followed the whole trial! Pops is next!!!
You. Are Badass, Vinnie! I like you more and more
He's where he belongs
You become an adult . You ran out of money and gas ! Go to a shelter . Get a job and get away . No excuse for him 🤷🏼♀️
The mother wanted the baby for herself, she didn't acknowledge the girl as the baby' mother.... .
ROT IN JAIL WAGNERS !!!!
Monsters the whole family
Greetings from Norway.
We can't help but think, had the local law followed through with statutory rape, as the one Wagner son, Jake, was probably having sex with Hannah when she was 13 or 14yrs old, and he was an adult. You have to wonder about someone like that, as well as the family that allowed her to move in and live with him under their roof. You'd think that would be contributing to the delinquency of a minor. What the heck is wrong with all those people there? It's just okay that an adult male has sex with young teenagers of 13, 14 or 15? Would all those people still be alive today if they'd have dealt with sketchy behavior years earlier? Good grief!
He had just turned 17. However, my Sister had a gf who was 13 while I was 17. Her mom had her send me cookies while I was in jump school. It bothered me that a mother would encourage her daughter to "grow up too quickly." I gave the cookies to teammates. I would help her with her fixing her first car. After she had turned 18. If I could politely without hurting a young girl's feelings say no to a relationship of any kind in allowing a young girl to grow up at her own pace into adulthood, then he could have too.
Prayers to the families of this un senseless crime May the victim’s R.I.P. 🙏🏻
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I got to see this story all over the news when this happened. If you loved your child so much why would you kill her mother while she's sleep in Mom's bed?
Angela Wagner is pure evil. This sounds like a movie in real life.
loving these episodes with vinnie
I can believe that George wanted to get away from his family, and I believe that he didn’t shot anyone, but he was there and knew the plans and did nothing to stop it. As far as Jake smiling and chuckling, that is most likely because of nervousness, which is common. I’m not defending Jake at all, but you can’t take those actions, the smiling and chuckling, as a sign of enjoyment.
I don't agree....in his eyes he won. Hope he treasured the small amount of time he spent with his daughter. Hopefully he will never lay eyes on her again. What a shame that innocent little girl has to grow up know her sperm donor was an actual animal.
@@xxvibez_alyssaxx7181 I’m sorry, I was talking about George, not Jake. George has a son not a daughter.
George is a bitter and twisted little POS. He thought his sneering "I don't remembers" would separate him from the scum and convince people he would never align himself with them but he was just another cut of the same cloth. 👿
All we should have heard was “20 year old has a baby with a 15 year old and is sent straight to jail” and it should’ve ended right there. So sad they didn’t get him before him and his crazy family could even commit these murders.
I had some friends from there. Big on breeding, drinking, and mudding. Not big on education, but huge on hunting and showing off the kills. Why would anyone be surprised when they hunt each other is the biggest question.
Amazing how the state of Ohio made the deals with the two worst member of that family. The mother was prodding the sons crimes, she's the one that demanded the children be turned over to her, and Alex is the one who wanted them all dead, as the only way he could have his child.
Who’s Alex ? I thought the dude who had the daughter with the Rohden girls name was Jake ?
“Your day will come. We will appeal.” 😮😮 ???? Best wishes on that buddy!
Thank you Vinnie for taking us all along for a view of the place where there absolute tragedy happened , very very sad .
Did they say George did not pull the trigger?
Yes
I am just now watching this case after Jake was sentenced. It’s out of control.
Thank you Court TV for a riviting series!
We were right around that area that day picking up our puppy Wheaton Terrier. All of the sirens, would never had realized what was happening for the four hour drive back to Cleveland then seeing the news being horrified. Such a sad story that never needed to happen, so glad people are paying the price for this devastating family annihilation.
And I’ll live in the next county over. And I remember when this happened. I didn’t realize Billy Wagner has not gone to trial yet.
Proof psychopathy can run in a family
If ever the Death penalty applied ... its here for all FOUR
This family the Wagner's , where all possessed by demons,people don't believe demons exist,well,here is a proof. Thanks Vinnie and team for another excellent story account.
Blaming it on demons takes away the agency that we all possess and gives this terrible family a way out, an excuse. Every single person learns right from wrong as a child and has the ability to control their own actions. Demons are a made-up entity that people who commit atrocious crimes use to pretend that they were not in control of themselves at the time. We should not let terrible people explain away their misdeeds by claiming it wasn't actually them who committed the murders but some vague other who popped into them like they were popping in for a cup of tea. Bad people exist, bad people have existed since the dawn of time, we see them all the time. But actual demon entities who inhabit people just for a couple hours to commit atrocious crimes, no. Four demons didn't just look up and think "yeah! Let's jump into these four family members and murder another family so they can have custody of this baby!" No, they are just bad people who decided to do whatever they wanted to achieve their goals. It's that simple.
Some people are bad. This family was led by bad parents who manipulated their children, kept them stupid and dependent. Demons are convenient but not as frightening as this woman.
@@lindseyhudson1274damn!! Wtf you have against demons because that was a passionate comment
@@lindseyhudson1274 NOT TRUE, they do exist and they can possess humans as well as animals, and I perceive that you are an ATHEIST, because you couldn't be a Christian since Jesus himself relieved people of this type of possession.
It’s so sad that this is how things go in some families where they do something to a family member, and then accuse that family member of doing it to them as we can see here in this court case it’s projection 26:36
George could have STOPPED IT ALL! He didn't!