I fit the demographic that you talk about. Looking to downsize the property (not sure how yet), take the house money and go cruising in about two years. My budget might be more around $200K and I will be shopping for exactly for what you mention. I would like a catamaran but might not be able afford one. My initial plan is to do an Atlantic circle, Med in summer and Caribbean in the winter. Any production boat can do this, no problem. The important factor is weather and it is easy to get all the time, anywhere now. Agree with the owner version boat with a very large bed and head. Disagree with the generator: with lithium batteries, solar and a proper alternator on your main engine, there is no need for a generator anymore. This might initially cost more but will be worth it in the long run. Generator are a pain. We need to break the myth that you need a blue water boat to go cruising. Most people don't plan to go around Cap Horn.
Hi there interestingly I have the same problem as you did long ago did you manage to get any good boat. My idea was to get into a steel boat but slowly getting back to the basic thinking that a beneatu will suffice. I sold my house i got 200k on hands but I don't want to pouring all my money into a boat so let's say my budget will be around 100k. I'm father of two kids so we are looking a boat with three cabin/two toilets..Good living onboard, safe and easy to use/mantain. I have some little experience Saling but as commercial engineer onboard big vessels but never used the wind to cross ocean. What do you suggest?
As a licensed yacht broker and owner of several sailing vessels, I would recommend this video to everybody who is out there looking for a sailing yacht. I almost bought, as a matter of fact, had an accepted offer on a 2007 473 at 200K, but decided to move on to the 49' 50' range for various reasons. Anyway, Great job here! All the best.
Tim, I have a few ideas for videos for newbs, especially for Canadians and North US: pros and cons of buying boats in Canada vs US or Islands / how to deal with money while cruising (where to get it, what to get, Interac, Visa or MC use, cash or cards, how to exchange excess when leaving a country) / 50 essential pieces of kit for cruising the Islands / what to avoid / pieces of paper you MUST have / cruising routes and times of year / canals or open ocean heading south. Keep up the great work man.
Funny you mentioned some of the things I've done, and rules. I bought the 4th bought I saw, when looking for one. Two 37 and a 34. One survey out the window, including launch and back to on the hard, about $600 US. For years when I lived by myself, I used to rent apartments with at least two bedrooms, and between 1100 and 1500 sq. ft. One a beachfront property , thinking that family would come to visit. Never happened. So I stopped wasting my money. Lesson learned. Applied the lesson to my boat, a 35 footer, one private cabin, one head, plentiful for me. Thanks for the video. By the way, the Catalina 42, is one of my favorite. But, too big for me.
473 owner here. We purchased her in 2014. Ours was actually the third to last 473 ever made, a model year 2007 (only three). The prior owners’ previous boat was a 2001 473. Yep. Replaced their 473 with a 473. In 2019 we planned to “upgrade” and couldn’t find anything that suited us better and ended up just pouring more upgrades in. Lithium batteries next up. Thanks for your spot on comments.
After 60 years sailing , delivering , Racing (Go TNZ) Living aboard - Spot on . 2 Cabin Definatly , little Honda gen set works for me , No P&S sliding F/Fs , Water maker is a must & dont go to windward in a Production yacht (Slamming) 2 cabin 473 , Boom furler over mast furler & all lines to the cockpit, 2 electric sheet winches do make life easy , Privately owned 100%.
I have actually sailed almost every boat you mentioned. Lived on some and chartered some. Great video. . The two cabin version is great advise if you plan on cruising. Most boats over 40 ft from charter companies are three cabins or more. Non charter boats in your manufactures are commonly dock boats, lack of use is not good. A qualified survey unfortunately with a low hours dock boat will not show much. A ten year old boat with less than 250 hours on the motor has not been broken in, beware. The charter boat for half the price or less may not be as pretty for the first mate. The 423 small sister to the 473 beneteau is a great option. Qualified survey, Qualified Survey. They look past the interior that is not pristine.
Good episode. I have a 3 cabin and love it. I find it better than having one super size cabin that’s not comfortable when you are on the way. With the 3 cabin you have the option of using it as a garage if needed. It gives you more options.
Great take on things ... I had. $150k all in... bought a Catalina 42 Mk2 for $120k US- nicely outfitted for hardcore cruising / Watermaker, banging solar array, GenSet, new dink. Had $30k for bottom, sails, engine maintenance & interior etc. living the dream 2 years later! IMHO, best bang for the buck live aboard made for the $.
Tim I love your honesty, insightful stories, and down to earth facts. I am intrigued by the lifestyle lately and always trying to learn more. Never sailed, but like you I am researching everything. What’s your thought on a Oceanis 43 CC? I think this is the one. Cheers from the Rock.
My wife and I bought our 473 (SV Linda Marie) in 2007 and have lived aboard it over 10 years now. We sailed it across the Pacific from Mexico to New Zealand where we are currently holed up for COVID. We've modified our boat extensively and absolutely love it. Very blue water capable.
Theres a big difrence between 473 and 45. 473 much more quality building, stronger, sails better with strong winds, and much better in other points... I dont agree with you about the Jeanneaus qualitye, i do agree, if you talk about more then 20yeas old Jeanneaus, yes they were better building then Beneteaus, the newers they ate realy bad, like the 45 that you talking on the video... I have a oceanis 473 from 2002, im very happy and agree with your points, this is my 6 boat, my ptevious boats, were Holson, Jeanneau, Bavaria, (2008 Beneteau not good boat), and now 2002 beneteau... I realy think, the 473 its a bluewater sailboat... The most important to do a ocean crossing, its not the boat, its the sailorman! Nice video!
Solo sailing has a beautiful boat call Beneteau Oceanis 41.1 I always thought about Island Packet 380 or 39 but they are ridiculously pricey. After long and meticulous research, I found no equal for the Beneteau Oceanis 41.1 under 10 years. The price fit my budge, beautiful vessel with 2 cabins and 1 head. Length overall at 40.58 foot length at waterline 38.25 ft. Cannot do better I believe. Less costly when you dock your vessel. Beam at 13.75 ft with engine hrs at 3671. Hr power at 45 and fresh water at 145 gallons and full tank at 53 gallons. The vessel is under 120K. That is a good sailing boat to go anywhere, crossing or Island humping. Any thoughts or maybe different opinion are welcome!
Tim, on my route to a bigger boat in retirement, I chartered a Bene 41.1 Oceanis for a week. This was all part of 'my plan' and a great learning experience. I watched your vid before and after our charter (I returned last night). My thoughts in no particular order on the Beneteau 41.1 Oceanis after a 4 day/4 night charter in the USVI 1) I own a 24' sloop. When I stepped aboard, the boat seemed HUGE. After 4 days, it seemed very manageable. 2) The deck, hull, standing rigging and winches seemed quite substantial and sturdy. 3) this was a 3-berth layout (brochures say sleeps 6). The aft berths are pretty small (I mean, of course, how big could they be?). With that, I would tend to want that added third berth due to their small size. 4) the systems seemed good and it had a Yanmar diesel. On the negative side for ownership of this boat, 5) there was little in the way of access for maintenance. Things break, things need to be fixed and eventually replaced. The design of the systems in this boat leaves you with some major "taking apart" to access things. I may be wrong here, being so new to boating, but I would be worried about this and the added costs due to lack of good access. 6) The boats interior quality was really low-end. Lots of particleboard and cheap veneer. The boat's sole was fake wood (what is more beautiful than a teak and holly sole?). Much of the hardware throughout was plated steel and plastic. This was a six-year-old boat and the corrosion on the hardware had already taken its toll. The interior hardware looked 30 years old. Much of the interior will need major attention in another 6 years. My thought is that a higher-quality boat build will yield a less expensive year-over-year cost of maintenance and in the long run the better quality boat will cost less.
I've been noodling around building a cost of ownership calculator for this sort of thing. The logic is pretty easy the hard part is acquiring data to fill the model, but the concerns about cheap materials and wear and tear leading to higher cost of ownership has me looking smaller boats....which leaves me with the first mate problem
What a fabulous video, have been pondering the budget commitment and you exactly summarized my choices. 20 years, two cabin, sale with one person, budget at about $125,000. Surprised bow thruster is not on the must haves. Now I will look at 47.3
I always enjoy your commentary on the various boats you review. I am a few years away from "the big purchase" and love your input. I now have a smaller sloop. It is my learning boat that I do weekending. Next week I am heading to the USVI to bareboat a Beneteau Oceanis 41.1 for most of a week. I want to start to get some experience in a boat about the size I want to start my longer-term cruising. Your channel has been helpful in learning "who's who" in the sailboat manufacturing world. If you ever find yourself Downeast, I'd love to meet you over dinner and drinks!
Great episode! You've pretty.much hit my demographic (lower end). My wife and I are looking at spending around 100K and not planning on an ocean crossing. Love your boat review/opinion episodes. Keep em coming! :)
Love your channel and I have seen all of them. Was starting to wonder if there was something new and behold Lady K Sailing. I would love to spend money on an Oyster or similar but that's not my budget. I have also listened to your advice so far. Especially regaring the three cabin issue. But size will matter some. A larger boat will have larger tanks, more storage and is capable of carrying more load. Please do an episode about that. And if dooing so, please have a look at Benneteau 57 (especially with the Amel type steering console) or Moody 47, 49 or even better 54 (pre 2010). They are about 270-350 USD so about double of the normal budget I admit. But significantly less than the Oysters, Southerlys, Hallberg-Rasseys and Amels of the same age.
I agree. It may not suit all and take away some of the feeling, especially with the hydraulic steering but it frees up a lot of space in cc boats and keeps you dry and comfy on passages.
Is the oceanis clipper 311 too much boat for a beginner going solo? Should I be looking something smaller? A 26 ft cutter or go the other way with a Cornish crabber 26 type? This is a nightmare lol
Interesting about the cabins...we are starting to shop for a live-aboard cruiser, (more in the $50k-$100k range more likely) and your right in the place we are looking (40-50ft, set up, sail plan that could be solo-sailed just in case...). However, we are not retired and still will have 2 of our 3 kids living with us for at least 4 years. We have been looking for the 4th cabin as our guest bedroom for our parents, or my oldest boy comes to visit...gave us something to think about.
We are a family of 5 and in a similar place to you. We live near Lake Huron and bought a C&C Landfall 38 as our first boat for $30,000 Canadian dollars. You'll be hard pressed to find a 4 cabin monohaul or cat for $50-100 k. If you do find one it will likely come out of a Carter fleet as more cabins are favourable to charters. Good luck with you search.
We went with the 1985 Bene idyll 1150, 37'. No complaints, skeg hung rudder, roomy, protected prop shaft, (bolt on keel) shoal draft of 4.3',nice hull shape for moderate speed and comfort. Only have several hundred miles on it so far, but compared to our cat30 we're thrilled. Payed about 20k USD, left the other 80k for a 2year Bahamas/Caribbean trip. Thanks for the videos, it's nice to still see your passion. Hope to see you on the water again!
Catalina 22 sailor here, looking to upgrade in the near future. Would love to stay under $100k, but gotta be the right boat. Not a long term cruiser, but a weekender. A lot of Beneteaus seem to fall into my criteria.
When it comes to Sailboats, there is one thing about them that is always true. No matter what boat you sail you are always sailing the same ocean, so it really doesn’t matter what kind of boat you have..
I think I want a Beneteau Oceanis 510. Save I'm near 50 and want to sail Solo. I have a house a vehicle and some property to sell, but I live in the middle of the dirt and have no idea where or how to start. I'm so sad I'm this far in my life and I've not left my mundane life for the sea.. So envious of folks that can do this.
I have a 90’s Jeanneau SO 36.2, and it’s a better boat in many small ways than its current iteration. The dollar bought more and better materials back then, plus it was largely hand-built.
@@wallacegrommet9343 Two cabin version of Jeanneau SO 36.2 from '96 here and I totally agree on the build quality compared to the later Jeanneaus. Nowadays they feel more like "designed by Ikea".
We have a Beneteau 58. She can sail anywhere, we have the three cabin option and it gives us plenty of room. Two people can sail her easily. We have upgraded critical parts to us. Our three heads are tecma and are excellent, we have washing machine, we have all the dive kit including compressor, we have a water maker. She is a lovely boat and like I say we have sailed her 3/4 of the way around the world. You would be a fool not to look at Beneteau. They are solid
Another informative video, keep 'em coming! I too really like the Catalina 42 for all the reasons you mentioned and then some, but unfortunately my offer on one wasn't accepted. My second choice was a Hunter 410, and the longer I've had it the more I've come to appreciate it. Two heads, one forward like the C42 and the other with a separate shower stall, Pullman berth forward (also like the C42) and a large queen-sized berth athwartships in the aft cabin. I was single-handing her through the Bahamas when you were there, and never once had an "oh sh!!t" moment. We're hoping to head back there this fall and then continue further south.
Excellent video Tim. Coming from someone looking to upgrade in the future. Your videos are showing us a lot of options to look at and we are grateful. Oh and looking forward to warm weather water under the keel and rum.
Personally I’m partial to a Hunter, because that’s the first boat I owned at 25 years old. But I think for most of us it will simply be a question of what is actually available near us. I’m on Long Island sound, so within 25 or so miles on that stretch of water is good. South shore of Long Island on the other hand would require an East River trip (dangerous) or rounding Montauk (long trip). We sure do value our convenience
I found the best way to beat that boat shopping high. Go in with the mindset that every boat you're going to look at, is going to be a piece of sh*t and need thousands of dollars in repairs. The first 5 boats I saw were exactly that. Pieces of sh*t. One owner claimed his boat was "completely refit". Wasn't even fit for the bottom of the ocean. I went to the 6th boat thinking "41 years old. Why am I wasting my time driving 5 hours? " I was pleasantly surprised upon arrival. Cabin had been completely gutted and redone including a new cabin sole. The owner had started on the exterior, but couldn't continue for health reasons. So, I got an instant insurance quote, made an offer pending survey and scheduled survey. The surveyor was also shocked how nice the boat was and it passed his survey with flying colors. Submitted survey to insurance company. They approved the survey and the next morning, a wire transfer commenced. Two days after that, I was loading all my stuff onboard and leaving the dock. I made it from Virginia to Florida with only a few small issues which all have been fixed. I couldn't be happier with my purchase. She's getting hauled out this weekend for some hull paint and a new packing gland. Then she'll be ready for the trip north to PA and NJ.
Beneteaus have flat bottoms and pound in chop and heavy seas. Autohelms don't work well in rough seas. I have chartered many and they are nice for coastal cruising in good weather. Interiors are nice and sail handling easy. But I think they would be very uncomfortable on a open ocean cruise or to cross an ocean. That being said for a coastal cruiser, or to do the "loop" (a dream I have) or to sail on my N Georgia lake, an Oceanus 30.1 would be ideal. Currently I own a Catalina 28mii sailing on a small lake.
Lots of references to coastal & Bahamas cruising here. Some of you might be interested in how a couple thoughtfully set up a Beneteau Oceanis 40 for serious, long distance sailing. Many useful ideas for any owner/sailor. Of special note: Their rig modifications and the overall excellent material condition of the vessel after a Norway - Caribbean run. In our Atlantic and Pacific runs it was very rare to see a boat that wasn't kept in relatively keen condition. Well worth your time: ruclips.net/video/eOHP75uBf5A/видео.html
We're giving thought to a beneteau as looking for something beamy, with comfortable living conditions etc - easy to sail short handed etc...we were actually looking at beneteaus - we have some learning to do costal cruising wise before we try anything more dramatic but we certainly would hope to take it on blue water passages etc and tour the world.... We're sort of looking comfort ratios of 24 and over and capsize screening formula of near 2, we'll put up with a little more than that... Don't get all the beneteau hate out there just because they're production boats. I hear the term floating campervan bandied about disparagingly- we'd love a floating caravan that we can eventually take around the globe.
When I first found your channel, I was not impressed. It's been so long I can't remember why. I have come to rely on your insight, despite my first judgement, LOL. I fall into the category you just have highlighted. I just sold my house, and can afford the higher end of your recommendations. Thank you. Keep telling the truth, even if the "real" sailors don't want to hear it, I do!
Thanks for that highly informative video. I love the presentation style too, very down to earth and pragmatic. There's a lot of snobbery around 'plastic fantastics' but they are popular for4 a reason. I fall into that demographic completely and having watched videos of purists with their heads in the engine bay, I really don't want that, not all the time anyway. Respect to the purists BTW. I want comfort, great sailing, safety etc. I have been considering a Beneteau 473 and this has really helped.
Demographic discussion was spot on. This is who buys 80% of the larger cruising boats out there (setting aside charter fleets). Live aboard decision comes at the end of 40 years of building a career so that you could raise a family, put the kids thru university and build a retirement nest egg. In essence, we "bought the couch" and don't regret it. The full time cruising lasts about 10-15 years until you reach an age where your body decides it's time for a softer life and you move back ashore to real estate you continue to own. That scenario doesn't call for a pure blue water boat because most 60-somethings aren't crossing oceans. Hence the popularity of the big production boats.
I am sure all these French production boats suit lots of people but I couldn’t live with the poor quality. Ben 57 flagship has a teak deck that is stapled on to ply from beneath. As the deck wears the staples poke through in to your feet! A stunning Farr design ruined by crap construction
Excellent video, love the closing comments. I am not in that category of buyer. I’m in the, bought the biggest boat I could afford, didn’t have more than 15,000, category; but love my core rotted j34 IOR. Boats with all the systems seem like a nightmare waiting to happen. But that’s just me.
I'm in the democratic way below as talked about in this video. A 20 to 30 year old boat, 30-55k and have been looking at Beneteau first 38s5. I just want to hop around the Keys for 6 months then come home and work a little bit and repeat.
Whatever your production boat choice, make sure the ladder frame/stringers are fiberglassed to the hull. It seems many modern era production boats have the frame glued to the hull which means you're one hard grounding away from extensive repairs. Sailing Aurora is an example but there are others on RUclips. Otherwise, I'm a fan of production boats (we own a Catalina 42) as they give a huge value for $$$ for all the reasons you described in the video.
There's less demand for the larger boat 50+, so you get a lot boat for you $. As the boats get bigger, the more comfortable they get, in any seaway. As a Cruiser the more cabins you have the better for storage.
I agree with you entirely. Sailing is sailing. It's only as I have gotten older that I realize there are all these "rules" depending on what group you currently are hanging out with. It's a little silly. Are you on a boat, having fun and feeling adventurous and alive. Great. End of story.
Great video as I to fall into this category but what I’m really looking for is good information on aluminum or steal boats. These seem to be the safest of all. But I know I will probably end up with one of these you have talked about
In early 2018 I had a vintage wooden sailboat, I was looking around for a bigger sailboat I'd just retired early aged 50 from Manchester University England ( Professor of Economics ) I found a 2016 Beneteau Oceanis 48 the owner was selling for financial reasons ( I won't go into the reasons ) I did get it for a steal though. After 6 months in refit eg Engine overall to hybrid conversion, solar panels and collector, more sails etc Internet and upgrade to onboard tech and bottom paint and a re-name ( I know you shouldn't but She was named after the families Pub and Restaurant ) She's been brilliant, she has two staterooms if more beds are needed the seating area in Galley/ lounge area can be converted. A washing machine and watermaker are a must for her. She's taken out for 7 months of the year, in 10 days we leave Royal Liverpool Marina in England UK en route for Hamilton Bermuda and onto the Caribbean and Key-West for the Summer. That's me and 3 mates from University from the 1990's all single again we'll have a blast I'm sure of it.
Sounds like a trip of a lifetime! I’m in Macclesfield UK and of similar age and although I’m sans sailboat for now, it is a dream to eventually travel the world by sailboat. PS I’ve also noticed my friends becoming single again very late in life 🤷♂️
I fit the demographic that you talk about. Looking to downsize the property (not sure how yet), take the house money and go cruising in about two years. My budget might be more around $200K and I will be shopping for exactly for what you mention. I would like a catamaran but might not be able afford one. My initial plan is to do an Atlantic circle, Med in summer and Caribbean in the winter. Any production boat can do this, no problem. The important factor is weather and it is easy to get all the time, anywhere now. Agree with the owner version boat with a very large bed and head. Disagree with the generator: with lithium batteries, solar and a proper alternator on your main engine, there is no need for a generator anymore. This might initially cost more but will be worth it in the long run. Generator are a pain. We need to break the myth that you need a blue water boat to go cruising. Most people don't plan to go around Cap Horn.
YES.
Hi there interestingly I have the same problem as you did long ago did you manage to get any good boat. My idea was to get into a steel boat but slowly getting back to the basic thinking that a beneatu will suffice. I sold my house i got 200k on hands but I don't want to pouring all my money into a boat so let's say my budget will be around 100k. I'm father of two kids so we are looking a boat with three cabin/two toilets..Good living onboard, safe and easy to use/mantain.
I have some little experience Saling but as commercial engineer onboard big vessels but never used the wind to cross ocean.
What do you suggest?
As a licensed yacht broker and owner of several sailing vessels, I would recommend this video to everybody who is out there looking for a sailing yacht. I almost bought, as a matter of fact, had an accepted offer on a 2007 473 at 200K, but decided to move on to the 49' 50' range for various reasons. Anyway, Great job here! All the best.
We'll let you know
Tim, I have a few ideas for videos for newbs, especially for Canadians and North US: pros and cons of buying boats in Canada vs US or Islands / how to deal with money while cruising (where to get it, what to get, Interac, Visa or MC use, cash or cards, how to exchange excess when leaving a country) / 50 essential pieces of kit for cruising the Islands / what to avoid / pieces of paper you MUST have / cruising routes and times of year / canals or open ocean heading south. Keep up the great work man.
That's my demographic group... :) This is 100% me... a nice video, but I didn't learn anything new... Keep up with good work!!!
Funny you mentioned some of the things I've done, and rules. I bought the 4th bought I saw, when looking for one. Two 37 and a 34. One survey out the window, including launch and back to on the hard, about $600 US. For years when I lived by myself, I used to rent apartments with at least two bedrooms, and between 1100 and 1500 sq. ft. One a beachfront property , thinking that family would come to visit. Never happened. So I stopped wasting my money. Lesson learned. Applied the lesson to my boat, a 35 footer, one private cabin, one head, plentiful for me. Thanks for the video. By the way, the Catalina 42, is one of my favorite. But, too big for me.
Another great video, I only wish I had 150 grand for a boat. I’m looking at the 35 to 40 grand range, but I need it to be a full-time live aboard.
wind in your sails, water under your keel, rum in your cup, and good stories to tell around the campfire. Most excellent!
473 owner here. We purchased her in 2014. Ours was actually the third to last 473 ever made, a model year 2007 (only three). The prior owners’ previous boat was a 2001 473. Yep. Replaced their 473 with a 473. In 2019 we planned to “upgrade” and couldn’t find anything that suited us better and ended up just pouring more upgrades in. Lithium batteries next up. Thanks for your spot on comments.
After 60 years sailing , delivering , Racing (Go TNZ) Living aboard - Spot on . 2 Cabin Definatly , little Honda gen set works for me , No P&S sliding F/Fs , Water maker is a must & dont go to windward in a Production yacht (Slamming) 2 cabin 473 , Boom furler over mast furler & all lines to the cockpit, 2 electric sheet winches do make life easy , Privately owned 100%.
I have actually sailed almost every boat you mentioned. Lived on some and chartered some. Great video. . The two cabin version is great advise if you plan on cruising. Most boats over 40 ft from charter companies are three cabins or more. Non charter boats in your manufactures are commonly dock boats, lack of use is not good. A qualified survey unfortunately with a low hours dock boat will not show much. A ten year old boat with less than 250 hours on the motor has not been broken in, beware. The charter boat for half the price or less may not be as pretty for the first mate. The 423 small sister to the 473 beneteau is a great option. Qualified survey, Qualified Survey. They look past the interior that is not pristine.
Good episode. I have a 3 cabin and love it. I find it better than having one super size cabin that’s not comfortable when you are on the way. With the 3 cabin you have the option of using it as a garage if needed. It gives you more options.
Great take on things ... I had. $150k all in... bought a Catalina 42 Mk2 for $120k US- nicely outfitted for hardcore cruising / Watermaker, banging solar array, GenSet, new dink. Had $30k for bottom, sails, engine maintenance & interior etc. living the dream 2 years later! IMHO, best bang for the buck live aboard made for the $.
You keep your fruit in the oddest places Tim...first a banana, now an orange?
Next week: the pineapple!
Orange you glad he got rid of the banana?
@@Roguefun1976 well played! 👏👏👏
Tim I love your honesty, insightful stories, and down to earth facts. I am intrigued by the lifestyle lately and always trying to learn more. Never sailed, but like you I am researching everything. What’s your thought on a Oceanis 43 CC? I think this is the one. Cheers from the Rock.
My wife and I bought our 473 (SV Linda Marie) in 2007 and have lived aboard it over 10 years now. We sailed it across the Pacific from Mexico to New Zealand where we are currently holed up for COVID. We've modified our boat extensively and absolutely love it. Very blue water capable.
The Hunter 466 is actually quite fast and balanced.
is that an orange in the background this time?
This is gonna become a thing, isn't it?
I miss the old 'banana' days. Brings back fond memories of videos I watched yesterday 😋😀 Hey, maybe a Lady K banana t-shirt idea? I'd buy one!
Theres a big difrence between 473 and 45.
473 much more quality building, stronger, sails better with strong winds, and much better in other points...
I dont agree with you about the Jeanneaus qualitye, i do agree, if you talk about more then 20yeas old Jeanneaus, yes they were better building then Beneteaus, the newers they ate realy bad, like the 45 that you talking on the video...
I have a oceanis 473 from 2002, im very happy and agree with your points, this is my 6 boat, my ptevious boats, were Holson, Jeanneau, Bavaria, (2008 Beneteau not good boat), and now 2002 beneteau...
I realy think, the 473 its a bluewater sailboat...
The most important to do a ocean crossing, its not the boat, its the sailorman!
Nice video!
Solo sailing has a beautiful boat call Beneteau Oceanis 41.1 I always thought about Island Packet 380 or 39 but they are ridiculously pricey. After long and meticulous research, I found no equal for the Beneteau Oceanis 41.1 under 10 years. The price fit my budge, beautiful vessel with 2 cabins and 1 head. Length overall at 40.58 foot length at waterline 38.25 ft. Cannot do better I believe. Less costly when you dock your vessel. Beam at 13.75 ft with engine hrs at 3671. Hr power at 45 and fresh water at 145 gallons and full tank at 53 gallons. The vessel is under 120K. That is a good sailing boat to go anywhere, crossing or Island humping. Any thoughts or maybe different opinion are welcome!
Opinions are like assholes, everyone has one...
Tim, on my route to a bigger boat in retirement, I chartered a Bene 41.1 Oceanis for a week. This was all part of 'my plan' and a great learning experience. I watched your vid before and after our charter (I returned last night). My thoughts in no particular order on the Beneteau 41.1 Oceanis after a 4 day/4 night charter in the USVI 1) I own a 24' sloop. When I stepped aboard, the boat seemed HUGE. After 4 days, it seemed very manageable. 2) The deck, hull, standing rigging and winches seemed quite substantial and sturdy. 3) this was a 3-berth layout (brochures say sleeps 6). The aft berths are pretty small (I mean, of course, how big could they be?). With that, I would tend to want that added third berth due to their small size. 4) the systems seemed good and it had a Yanmar diesel. On the negative side for ownership of this boat, 5) there was little in the way of access for maintenance. Things break, things need to be fixed and eventually replaced. The design of the systems in this boat leaves you with some major "taking apart" to access things. I may be wrong here, being so new to boating, but I would be worried about this and the added costs due to lack of good access. 6) The boats interior quality was really low-end. Lots of particleboard and cheap veneer. The boat's sole was fake wood (what is more beautiful than a teak and holly sole?). Much of the hardware throughout was plated steel and plastic. This was a six-year-old boat and the corrosion on the hardware had already taken its toll. The interior hardware looked 30 years old. Much of the interior will need major attention in another 6 years. My thought is that a higher-quality boat build will yield a less expensive year-over-year cost of maintenance and in the long run the better quality boat will cost less.
I've been noodling around building a cost of ownership calculator for this sort of thing. The logic is pretty easy the hard part is acquiring data to fill the model, but the concerns about cheap materials and wear and tear leading to higher cost of ownership has me looking smaller boats....which leaves me with the first mate problem
What a fabulous video, have been pondering the budget commitment and you exactly summarized my choices.
20 years, two cabin, sale with one person, budget at about $125,000. Surprised bow thruster is not on the must haves. Now I will look at 47.3
Please please please do wharram catamarans there's a good story there
CHECK HALBERG RASSY :-)
I always enjoy your commentary on the various boats you review. I am a few years away from "the big purchase" and love your input. I now have a smaller sloop. It is my learning boat that I do weekending. Next week I am heading to the USVI to bareboat a Beneteau Oceanis 41.1 for most of a week. I want to start to get some experience in a boat about the size I want to start my longer-term cruising. Your channel has been helpful in learning "who's who" in the sailboat manufacturing world. If you ever find yourself Downeast, I'd love to meet you over dinner and drinks!
Good summary and Fair judgement. Keep up the hard work of being straight forward into the issue. Thanks.
Great episode! You've pretty.much hit my demographic (lower end). My wife and I are looking at spending around 100K and not planning on an ocean crossing. Love your boat review/opinion episodes. Keep em coming! :)
Love your channel and I have seen all of them. Was starting to wonder if there was something new and behold Lady K Sailing. I would love to spend money on an Oyster or similar but that's not my budget. I have also listened to your advice so far. Especially regaring the three cabin issue. But size will matter some. A larger boat will have larger tanks, more storage and is capable of carrying more load. Please do an episode about that. And if dooing so, please have a look at Benneteau 57 (especially with the Amel type steering console) or Moody 47, 49 or even better 54 (pre 2010). They are about 270-350 USD so about double of the normal budget I admit. But significantly less than the Oysters, Southerlys, Hallberg-Rasseys and Amels of the same age.
The 57's having that console steering, wish more brands did it.
I agree. It may not suit all and take away some of the feeling, especially with the hydraulic steering but it frees up a lot of space in cc boats and keeps you dry and comfy on passages.
Is the oceanis clipper 311 too much boat for a beginner going solo? Should I be looking something smaller?
A 26 ft cutter or go the other way with a Cornish crabber 26 type?
This is a nightmare lol
Interesting about the cabins...we are starting to shop for a live-aboard cruiser, (more in the $50k-$100k range more likely) and your right in the place we are looking (40-50ft, set up, sail plan that could be solo-sailed just in case...). However, we are not retired and still will have 2 of our 3 kids living with us for at least 4 years. We have been looking for the 4th cabin as our guest bedroom for our parents, or my oldest boy comes to visit...gave us something to think about.
We are a family of 5 and in a similar place to you. We live near Lake Huron and bought a C&C Landfall 38 as our first boat for $30,000 Canadian dollars. You'll be hard pressed to find a 4 cabin monohaul or cat for $50-100 k. If you do find one it will likely come out of a Carter fleet as more cabins are favourable to charters. Good luck with you search.
We went with the 1985 Bene idyll 1150, 37'. No complaints, skeg hung rudder, roomy, protected prop shaft, (bolt on keel) shoal draft of 4.3',nice hull shape for moderate speed and comfort. Only have several hundred miles on it so far, but compared to our cat30 we're thrilled. Payed about 20k USD, left the other 80k for a 2year Bahamas/Caribbean trip. Thanks for the videos, it's nice to still see your passion. Hope to see you on the water again!
Catalina 22 sailor here, looking to upgrade in the near future. Would love to stay under $100k, but gotta be the right boat. Not a long term cruiser, but a weekender. A lot of Beneteaus seem to fall into my criteria.
When it comes to Sailboats, there is one thing about them that is always true. No matter what boat you sail you are always sailing the same ocean, so it really doesn’t matter what kind of boat you have..
Those Keels though....I'd clean them right off?!?
Thanks for this episode! Great idea and thoughtful questions
Probably the best summary I have ever seen. This is me 100% as well as most others. Subscribed and liked. Top stuff.
Great advice. I would also suggest, as boat owners check out other boats before you're even looking for your next up grade
I think I want a Beneteau Oceanis 510. Save I'm near 50 and want to sail Solo. I have a house a vehicle and some property to sell, but I live in the middle of the dirt and have no idea where or how to start. I'm so sad I'm this far in my life and I've not left my mundane life for the sea..
So envious of folks that can do this.
I don’t know if it’s the right boat, but some of them from the 90s looked great. I’m looking forward to hearing the facts.
I have a 90’s Jeanneau SO 36.2, and it’s a better boat in many small ways than its current iteration. The dollar bought more and better materials back then, plus it was largely hand-built.
@@wallacegrommet9343 - Those are beautiful boats, and I really like the interiors.
There was one for sale last summer here in Seattle, but the previous generation. I liked that one even more, and it was only $39k
@@wallacegrommet9343 Two cabin version of Jeanneau SO 36.2 from '96 here and I totally agree on the build quality compared to the later Jeanneaus. Nowadays they feel more like "designed by Ikea".
Some assembly required
I AM selling the house lol
We have a Beneteau 58. She can sail anywhere, we have the three cabin option and it gives us plenty of room. Two people can sail her easily. We have upgraded critical parts to us. Our three heads are tecma and are excellent, we have washing machine, we have all the dive kit including compressor, we have a water maker. She is a lovely boat and like I say we have sailed her 3/4 of the way around the world.
You would be a fool not to look at Beneteau. They are solid
no Bavaria mentioned? they would have been my first choice and I fit that demographic
Bav Ben Jen all one and the same these days you can also throw Hanse and Dehler in with that lot with Dufour running last.
Another informative video, keep 'em coming! I too really like the Catalina 42 for all the reasons you mentioned and then some, but unfortunately my offer on one wasn't accepted. My second choice was a Hunter 410, and the longer I've had it the more I've come to appreciate it. Two heads, one forward like the C42 and the other with a separate shower stall, Pullman berth forward (also like the C42) and a large queen-sized berth athwartships in the aft cabin. I was single-handing her through the Bahamas when you were there, and never once had an "oh sh!!t" moment. We're hoping to head back there this fall and then continue further south.
Hope your keeping safe and well,for what its worth before blowing 200,000 on a boat get a half decent one and learn the boat work first :)
Hi there. Why wasn’t Island Packet on your list?
Beneteau 375 80's model built strong...
Come on say “deeznuts” ds nuts lol I wonder if that was intentional
Why didn't the bavaria come up on the list?
Excellent video Tim. Coming from someone looking to upgrade in the future. Your videos are showing us a lot of options to look at and we are grateful. Oh and looking forward to warm weather water under the keel and rum.
Love the quick reference to Larry Pardey...keep it simple!
The entire time you were explaining the boat specifications I was thinking Catalina.
As usual, your comments and advice are right on point!
I think I found an Easter egg in this video;).
100k is cheap for average people. Lol sure
Dam your easy to listen to. Good stuff to say.
Talking about cruising with a sofa
If you had the budget, what boat would you buy?
Great wrap-up about sailing in the end....
So. The internet hivemind has declared Beneteau uncool. Good to know.
Happily still on Team Beneteau!
Good stuff! Cleveland loves ya!
This Video is why I owned an Irwin 42!
Well done. Your comments are “spot on”.
Personally I’m partial to a Hunter, because that’s the first boat I owned at 25 years old. But I think for most of us it will simply be a question of what is actually available near us. I’m on Long Island sound, so within 25 or so miles on that stretch of water is good. South shore of Long Island on the other hand would require an East River trip (dangerous) or rounding Montauk (long trip). We sure do value our convenience
Ds Nut…Tim????!!!!
Great info. Loved the ending!!
1986 Beneteau first 32 vs 86 Hunter 31??? cockpit winner Hunter but what's the better cruiser for Lake Erie?
I found the best way to beat that boat shopping high. Go in with the mindset that every boat you're going to look at, is going to be a piece of sh*t and need thousands of dollars in repairs. The first 5 boats I saw were exactly that. Pieces of sh*t. One owner claimed his boat was "completely refit". Wasn't even fit for the bottom of the ocean. I went to the 6th boat thinking "41 years old. Why am I wasting my time driving 5 hours? " I was pleasantly surprised upon arrival. Cabin had been completely gutted and redone including a new cabin sole. The owner had started on the exterior, but couldn't continue for health reasons. So, I got an instant insurance quote, made an offer pending survey and scheduled survey. The surveyor was also shocked how nice the boat was and it passed his survey with flying colors. Submitted survey to insurance company. They approved the survey and the next morning, a wire transfer commenced. Two days after that, I was loading all my stuff onboard and leaving the dock. I made it from Virginia to Florida with only a few small issues which all have been fixed. I couldn't be happier with my purchase. She's getting hauled out this weekend for some hull paint and a new packing gland. Then she'll be ready for the trip north to PA and NJ.
Beneteaus have flat bottoms and pound in chop and heavy seas. Autohelms don't work well in rough seas. I have chartered many and they are nice for coastal cruising in good weather. Interiors are nice and sail handling easy. But I think they would be very uncomfortable on a open ocean cruise or to cross an ocean. That being said for a coastal cruiser, or to do the "loop" (a dream I have) or to sail on my N Georgia lake, an Oceanus 30.1 would be ideal. Currently I own a Catalina 28mii sailing on a small lake.
Lots of references to coastal & Bahamas cruising here. Some of you might be interested in how a couple thoughtfully set up a Beneteau Oceanis 40 for serious, long distance sailing. Many useful ideas for any owner/sailor. Of special note: Their rig modifications and the overall excellent material condition of the vessel after a Norway - Caribbean run. In our Atlantic and Pacific runs it was very rare to see a boat that wasn't kept in relatively keen condition. Well worth your time: ruclips.net/video/eOHP75uBf5A/видео.html
We're giving thought to a beneteau as looking for something beamy, with comfortable living conditions etc - easy to sail short handed etc...we were actually looking at beneteaus - we have some learning to do costal cruising wise before we try anything more dramatic but we certainly would hope to take it on blue water passages etc and tour the world....
We're sort of looking comfort ratios of 24 and over and capsize screening formula of near 2, we'll put up with a little more than that...
Don't get all the beneteau hate out there just because they're production boats. I hear the term floating campervan bandied about disparagingly- we'd love a floating caravan that we can eventually take around the globe.
When I first found your channel, I was not impressed. It's been so long I can't remember why. I have come to rely on your insight, despite my first judgement, LOL. I fall into the category you just have highlighted. I just sold my house, and can afford the higher end of your recommendations. Thank you. Keep telling the truth, even if the "real" sailors don't want to hear it, I do!
what is the boat shown at 2:31?
473 is for me. Will call u
I've taken many many trips down the yachtworld rabbit hole.
Thank you for the chat.
Thanks for that highly informative video. I love the presentation style too, very down to earth and pragmatic. There's a lot of snobbery around 'plastic fantastics' but they are popular for4 a reason. I fall into that demographic completely and having watched videos of purists with their heads in the engine bay, I really don't want that, not all the time anyway. Respect to the purists BTW. I want comfort, great sailing, safety etc. I have been considering a Beneteau 473 and this has really helped.
Demographic discussion was spot on. This is who buys 80% of the larger cruising boats out there (setting aside charter fleets). Live aboard decision comes at the end of 40 years of building a career so that you could raise a family, put the kids thru university and build a retirement nest egg. In essence, we "bought the couch" and don't regret it. The full time cruising lasts about 10-15 years until you reach an age where your body decides it's time for a softer life and you move back ashore to real estate you continue to own. That scenario doesn't call for a pure blue water boat because most 60-somethings aren't crossing oceans. Hence the popularity of the big production boats.
I am sure all these French production boats suit lots of people but I couldn’t live with the poor quality. Ben 57 flagship has a teak deck that is stapled on to ply from beneath. As the deck wears the staples poke through in to your feet! A stunning Farr design ruined by crap construction
Excellent video, love the closing comments. I am not in that category of buyer. I’m in the, bought the biggest boat I could afford, didn’t have more than 15,000, category; but love my core rotted j34 IOR. Boats with all the systems seem like a nightmare waiting to happen. But that’s just me.
Great episode and presenter, I’m looking for our first boat a fit the demographic except it’s the sailing I love, not the sitting on a boat
I'm in the democratic way below as talked about in this video. A 20 to 30 year old boat, 30-55k and have been looking at Beneteau first 38s5. I just want to hop around the Keys for 6 months then come home and work a little bit and repeat.
@Lady K Sailing great videos! What do you think of saildrive vs shaft/direct drive for long time Beneteau cruisers?
First of all compliments. Then a question, if I may: any room for Dufour in your analysis? E.g. Grand Large 460? Thanks
Whatever your production boat choice, make sure the ladder frame/stringers are fiberglassed to the hull. It seems many modern era production boats have the frame glued to the hull which means you're one hard grounding away from extensive repairs. Sailing Aurora is an example but there are others on RUclips.
Otherwise, I'm a fan of production boats (we own a Catalina 42) as they give a huge value for $$$ for all the reasons you described in the video.
GOOD TaLK
what a beautiful ending of the episode. stories. so right. thank you so much for putting this together
Nice video
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I cant express this enough. Thank you so much for this video but now I want to speak to you with more questions
I had a 2012 Beneteau B45. A LOT of cracks in the gelcoat. Quality control was week.
There's less demand for the larger boat 50+, so you get a lot boat for you $. As the boats get bigger, the more comfortable they get, in any seaway. As a Cruiser the more cabins you have the better for storage.
If your spending 100k+ your not sailing your just pointing it in the direction you want to go and pushing buttons
I agree with you entirely. Sailing is sailing. It's only as I have gotten older that I realize there are all these "rules" depending on what group you currently are hanging out with. It's a little silly. Are you on a boat, having fun and feeling adventurous and alive. Great. End of story.
Get an old Cheoy Lee! Pay the money, and make it yours! Best sailing boat out there. No doubt.
You’ll know “your” boat when you step aboard - or at least the type of boat you want. And it is all about the wind and the tide
This was an excellent video. Very thoughtful and helpful. Thank you.
Great video as I to fall into this category but what I’m really looking for is good information on aluminum or steal boats. These seem to be the safest of all. But I know I will probably end up with one of these you have talked about
That last point you made about sailing was worth watching the entire episode. Thanks for that.
Informative. Balanced. Thanks.
In early 2018 I had a vintage wooden sailboat, I was looking around for a bigger sailboat I'd just retired early aged 50 from Manchester University England
( Professor of Economics ) I found a 2016 Beneteau Oceanis 48 the owner was selling for financial reasons ( I won't go into the reasons ) I did get it for a steal though. After 6 months in refit eg Engine overall to hybrid conversion, solar panels and collector, more sails etc Internet and upgrade to onboard tech and bottom paint and a re-name ( I know you shouldn't but She was named after the families Pub and Restaurant ) She's been brilliant, she has two staterooms if more beds are needed the seating area in Galley/ lounge area can be converted. A washing machine and watermaker are a must for her. She's taken out for 7 months of the year, in 10 days we leave Royal Liverpool Marina in England UK en route for Hamilton Bermuda and onto the Caribbean and Key-West for the Summer. That's me and 3 mates from University from the 1990's all single again we'll have a blast I'm sure of it.
Sounds like a trip of a lifetime! I’m in Macclesfield UK and of similar age and although I’m sans sailboat for now, it is a dream to eventually travel the world by sailboat.
PS I’ve also noticed my friends becoming single again very late in life 🤷♂️