ARIEL HELWANI | DANA WHITE: "James TONEY is DONE with UFC!" | Classic Interview UFC 118
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- Опубликовано: 2 окт 2024
- Ariel Helwani hears Dana White say boxer James Toney is DONE with the UFC after his one-sided loss to Randy Couture at UFC 118.
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Can't believe this was 10 years ago, I'm getting old
You may never know. Boxing and MMA are both sport that is unpredictable
A lady MMA fighter v a decent male boxer
i'd really like to see it. People don't respect MMA enough.
UK man loves goddesses MMA and BOXING ARE BOTH ABOUT MAKING MONEY
UK man loves goddesses a man vs a woman isn’t a fight
@BentHenny
Its a part of the sport. Hate it or love it. I enjoy watching crazy KO's but if a guy like maynard would stay up and slug with Florian he would be F'ing stupid.
kinda hard to concentrate when all i see is dana looking at ariels nose or lips the entire time lol like why do people do this
I usually either look at the chin it between the eyebrows. Why would I to gaze into another name eyes?
I wonder if this sold a lot of PPV's.
Dana is still the man.
Floyd won't get in the octagon because he is a loudmouth that can't back up his crap.
Randy is looking skinny and small.
Frankie should get his credit now. He is the man of the moment.
@converstion -> UFC # 1
"We already answered this question in 1993", - Dana White. Thats exactly the same thing ive been saying ever since the Couture Toney fight was announced.
@shaun0069 BJ fans have a lot of excuses....but the fact is that he was outclassed the whole time.
Ufc fighters are amateurs james toney couldnt represent boxing
@dunlap15 I wanna see mayweather fight aldo that would be epic
Tim Sylvia? Tim "I Fucking Suck" Sylvia? Nigga are you serious?
Love these post event interviews with Dana.
Good job, and keep em coming.
I'm from the future he won't even talk with Ariel anymore 😂 I won't tell you why though 😂🤣
Aww I wanted to see toney get beat in more fights....goddamn it
WHy did not dana put James Toney with a striker, to make a fight more competitive and give the man more time to learn the ground game. James toney had 6 months to learn grappling and couture had 14 years to learn striking. Now he says James is done put him in with a striker I wanna see that fight.
How can this guy only have 14,500 subscribers :(? This guy should be at least in the top ten subscribers. Is just SAD to see REAL good talent with low ratings:(
Keep up the good work man. BEST interviews EVER!
@LivingLegend1972
lol where do you live?
can sombody PLEASE tell me what gray's walk in music was??? it sounded wicked!!!!!!
And you also forget to mentino Mercer vs Kimbo (Kimbo not only beat him on the ground, but standing up as well), Mercer vs Musashi, and Mercer vs Bonjaski where he verbally submitted after a head kick very early in the fight, and the only strike that was thrown in the fight if I remember correctly.
Sylvia is and always has been garbage, and he was stupid enough to just stand in front of Ray Mercer and not use any of his tools. The reach advantage was huge, and he just let Ray set him up.
Toney gave it a go.
That's what Dana White doues ...Making Millions of old fighters.
@onenewshoe he did it for the money he knew that he will get his ass kicked but he has to sell the fight and the best way is to trash talk but all respect to randy he was amazing
@xXCORNNXx
actually that analogy fails.Boxing is a part of mixed martial arts, and thus not a different sport so much as an incomplete sport in comparison.
@ThePintoAce Herp Derp on your part, kid. Nobody who is a top ten pound for pound fighter would get submitted by Fabricio Werdum in less than three minutes.
@TheDomy23, hmm it seems I missed some point in your previous posts. As for Jones and Bader, you do realise that they are wrestlers, right? Jones is a junior college national champion in greco roman wrestling. He could have gone olympic if he would have wanted to make the sacrifice (in time/training) for it. Bader is another good wrestler. Jones also has an amazing athletic ability and is a quick and hungry learner. As far as mastering goes,it depends on what you mean. You can always get better.
I like how Ariel asks the questions the fans want asking and that Dana answers them honestly.
@MegaMma4life Good point, it still pisses me off considering all the sacrifices these real fighters make and as a fan I'd like to see them get paid as much as possible.
@70shavoc it sucked because bj was awful , frankie fought a big fight but bj is the one that made the fight boring not frankie
@ObieG93 lol manny is fast with 8 oz imagine with 4 oz he would break peoples faces literally
I disagree radiant for the simple fact that any good fighter knows how to deflect punches to the point of making them ineffective. Once you realize that you're fighting with a strong puncher or someone with good hand speed that may even be better than yours, then you must take that person out of his element by taking them to the ground. Once on the ground if that person is a good ground fighter then it becomes a chess match the same goes for kickers.
Holm a boxer knocking out what's her name again o yh ronda rousey brutal boxing skills from holm
+Nathan Lee Holy Holm isn't "a boxer" anymore. She knocked Rousey out with a head kick. You can't head kick in boxing. She's an MMA fighter with her strengths in Boxing. Just like Rousey is an MMA fighter with her strengths in Judo.
+@1337johnnyG That head kick was only the finishing move. Holms dominated ronda with her boxing
+Luster Bustuh I guess they also teach takedown defense in boxing. GTFO. She's a MMA fighter now. If she had no takedown defense she would've been done with. If you rewatch the fight you'll see that Ronda caught her and was about to take her down and tried to get an armbar in. It didn't work. Why? Cuz Holly is a MMA fighter now.
Her boxing skills helped 4 sure. Her footwork was Boxing 101 which rarely is seen in MMA. Holly was the matador and Ronda was the bull.
But ultimately it was her other skills that also played a role in her win. The ''oblique kicks'' that slowed Ronda down. The kick that finished Ronda. The takedown defense that prevented an armbar. A boxer coming straight from boxing wouldn't be able to defend those takedowns and u just can't say ''Oh he/she would just get in a nice left hook and KO her ass''
Luster Bustuh You're missing the point. You can't call Holm "a boxer who beat Ronda with boxing". This isn't a boxing match and Holm has developed way more fighting skills other than boxing AND uses those other skills MANY times through out her *MMA* fights.
Calling Holm just "a boxer" is actually an insult because it's basically suggesting that despite all her hours of MMA practice, she has no other recognizable fighting skills other than boxing. You're basically calling her 1 dimensional. Holm's strength is in boxing for sure but give her some fuckin cedit for becoming a beast with other fighting techniques. She on numerous occasions defended an Olympic medalist from tossing her with a vicious judo throw... they don't teach you how to do that in boxing - that's taught in MMA.
I'm a strong believer that most pro Boxers wouldn't stand a chance in a pro MMA fight and most pro MMA fighters wouldn't stand a chance in a pro boxing fight. Boxers would have no wrestling, jiu jitsu, muay thai / kickboxing (etc) knowledge so they would get completely murked by a thousand+ different possible attacks. And conversely, MMA fighters divide so much of their time into multiple different fields of fighting, that they would almost never be able to compete with a specialist who dedicates 100% of their time just to Boxing.
So if you think Holm is just a boxer who only uses boxing then you're completely delusional because she couldn't of possibly won this fight with only Boxing skills. Holm is a well-rounded beast, give her some credit for expanding her skill set.
who choked out Holm again? oh wait...MIESHA TATE
@LuqmanNaq THe thing people dont understand about some systems in kung fu. If I went and studied boxing and BJJ for 3 years, i probably would have a much better benefit than if i studied kung fu for 3 years. Kung fu is not as practical because it takes too much time to get decent at it. Just the training on your hands takes about a decade and that is no exaggeration. People study artful kungfu styles that look great for a few years, and claim to be kung fu masters.
@whatevamang EXACTLY! Wow there is someone with a fucking brain out there. amazing. I couldn't agree with you more. I am no fighting expert by any means, but when I was young I studied in kung fu. And ALOT of the shit they were teaching would not be allowed in MMA. We did a lot of stuff on how to finish fights quickly for self defense or how to get an attack off of you by throat strikes eye strikes ear strikes. temple strikes. etc.
@achillesbeast I think its more classless for one. I find the majority of matches are like totally dead locked on the ground. In other words many of the fights are like watching mud wrestling. Its just not as intriguing to watch.. Its more of a gimmick to satisfy the sadistic nature of people under the guise of the term "mixed martial arts" Another reason is because people underestimate some traditional fighting systems because of the MMA marketing.
@SJFTV I know your older but you sound like all the other 14 year olds in this country who were too young to be there for the great moments in boxing. Yes boxers only learn one aspect of fighting but they learn it too an extremely high level whereas mma fighters learn every style to a satisfactory standard. If mma fighters competed in boxing or in muay thai or ji jitsu tournaments they would get killed! By the way have you ever seen an amatuer mma fight? Its the sloppiest shit you would ever see
MMA doesn't limit anything a boxer does. Toney could still use everything he had from his boxing skills in there. on the other hand, the boxing rules puts loads of limitations on people, to force a systematic fight that always happens the way they want. this is as close to a real life fight situation you'll get. if they fought for real its clear that Coulture would easily win. if limited by boxing rules, Toney would win obviously.
@LuqmanNaq Just cause some idiots say they know kung fu doesnt mean anything. most of the people who studied it for decades don't compete in these type of events, they only compete within their own tournaments. and the strikes in kung fu are throat strikes, eye strikes and strikes that deal with an attacker on the street, not a full contact sport.
@BentHenny
Trust me. Thoose body shots from top position hurts like hell. U got to constantly keep moving and try to keep the wrestler busy and try to make him not to hit you. Then get up(if u are a striker) and try to look for the knock out. Florian did not manage this and Maynard was the better fighter. Respect!
@BentHenny
The wrestlers was the stronger ones last night, yes. But who knows what will be the out come if maynard is matched against Penn, or Edgar is matched up against Maynard. The out come of MMA-fights u can never predict. That is why i love the sport. And i do practise it myself. So i see the fights from a whole different angle than u regular viewers.
I'm starting to dislike Ariel's interview style more and more. I like his Jim Gray/Craig Sager line of questioning and pursuit of answers, but I wish he had a different demeanor. Just a pinch more of........something else would completely change my opinion on him.
@BentHenny If u were Chael Sonnen would u have choosed to stand up with Anderson Silva? Or if u was Brock Lesnar, would u like to stand up with Shane Carwin? U need to work where ur best aspect of fighting is. For Maynard it is on the ground and i love to see when a fighter does what he does best.
GREAT CARD. Florian got his ass kicked, Edgar showed who's the man, slugfest between Diaz and Davis, and one of my favourite Lauzon showed himself in better shape than ever. Only fight i did not like was Miranda vs Maia, Maia was close to submit him though. And Toney got his ass kicked :D
@osbornehunter Fighting under boxing rules don't prove anything. In boxing, the boxer can use his main weapon, the MMA fighter can't. In MMA, the boxer can use his best weapon and so can the MMA fighter. MMA fight is an even playing field, the boxing ring isn't, so why should an MMA fighter go to the boxing ring? If anything needs to be proven, it has to be proved in an MMA fight.
Dana Read this......Ariel give him this message.......we hardcore mma fans are not gonna be excited to see Edgar vs Maynard...and im not "The Media"..
(personal Opinion)
He was talking about how bjpenn was degrading ufc product was where they had a difference of opinion. Penn downplayed how good edgar was and called him a fluke, that doesnt sell tickets. If he gave him more respect it would have been different.
@Guinea54 many of those things were allowed in original vale tudo and early UFC... but you didn't see kung fu guys dominating. (you can strike to the temple)... Also check out pride rules where you could knee, stomp and kick your opponent when they were on the ground.
@BentHenny
I would pay to watch it if i knew the wrestler, read about him and so on. I would love to see a wrestling match between Jon Jones and Phil Davis but not as much as i would like to see them in a MMA-fight.
is it just me or is every single boxing fan on these comments talking about the money boxers get? i think that's their only shout they have over MMA fighters now after couture just tea bagged their champ.
@RichCwm By getting choked out by Kimbo Slice? Yeah, real exposure.
@comedicstuff yeah the fighters themselves should be bothered, the boxing fan base seem to be just as bothered about money and using it as a way to 'prove' boxing is better than mma..
@ruudski Yeah, you don't prove yourself through a real fight. You prove yourself from making a ridiculous agreement that you only use 1 type of attack in a fight.
LOL
@SpudKidda No, he beat BJ hands down once.
Their first fight was close, but BJ won, just not on the scorecards of the judges.
@Guinea54 'There hasn't been any real kung fu masters involved.' that's the 'no true scotsman' argument I was talking about. It's great that you're humble enough to admit they aren't invincible - you'd be suprised how many people have that belief about kung fu/internal martial arts masters. I'm going to study some Yi Quan myself, and I've studied breifly with some internal martial arts teachers who could fight well, but they would tell people learning this stuff doesn't make you invincible.
@Guinea54 the 'no true scotsman' argument. Kung fu guys had the opportunity to dominate when there were minimal rules in the early days of vale tudo and the UFC - they didn't. If your kung fu is about street fighting then ok.. but I'd personally rather have a functional skill set that i can practice agaisnt a resisting opponent, over one that I can't (throat strikes, etc) they may be effective but I trust what I've practiced. Check out the video 'words of wisdom pt1' to understand.
@bcibibcibcpCB They've probably been saying it for 15 years because it has grown during those 15 years. And you claimed that europe doesn't know anything about mma. Well, I live in Finland and often watch MMA videos from my TV. Sure, we don't have MMA events here (that I've heard of?) but the boxing scene isn't really visible or huge either.
And don't be so surprised if a "stupid internet loser" attacks you for your un-educated disrespectful claims about a sport that the video is about.
@AdmiralBirdseye Yeah, I DID have a thought in my head that "hmm.. what if? Maybe his punches ARE so damn powerful that he could actually win?"
I hoped for Couture's win and expected it... Kinda disappointing though that we didn't get to see any stand-up action as it would've been kinda interesting to see, even though I got what I hoped for. (Toney The Trashtalker going down like a total amateur.)
@whatevamang American or unified rules do favour wrestlers... Pride FC rules were more balanced. You could kick, stomp and knee a grounded opponent. So if a competitor sprawled on a takedown they could follow up with a leg strike, in unfied rules it's illegal if they have a knee on the ground. Check out some pride fc fights to see what I'm talking about.
All the hardcore boxing fans going into this fight were all saying James Toney is going to KO Randy Couture. Now that Toney lost - all the hardcore boxing fans are throwing Toney under the bus saying "he's old" or "he's past his prime" and that someone like Mayweather would be able to win. Guess what - MMA is the superior fighting sport. Stop making excuses and get over it.
@whatevamang and u know whats gonna happen, if they do change the dumb rules, than your going to see good boxers and other martial arts start dominating.
Frankie is a magnificent tactician and a great fighter. Props to the dude he fought a great fight. He doesn't get 'respect' because he's unfortunately not verbally articulate, much like Maynard too although Maynard had a great attitude/conversation with Rogan afterwords.
@tomtom899ify that's a double edged sword though, cause this company would definitely not be where it is at right now if it weren't for Dana White's ability to do what's best for the UFC, even if it comes at a cost to some fighters. You can't be a weak commisioner, doesn't work
god damn 92000 views ariel, your on your way up!
You called it bro 😂😂
wow. a boxer got taken down by a guy who is a great wrestler.
now lets see the ufc go in to boxing huh ?
why dont randy put on some 10 oz boxing gloves and box 12 rounds with tony?
no ...wouldn't wanta do that huh. wouldn't DARE do that.
@TheKidkayoz
who says gutshot? I DO YOU CHUCK LIDDEL LOVIN TARE! The gutshot is my signiture punch. Ive knocked the wind out of so many chumps, they couldnt even continue the fight! Im street tough, and nobody can take me. Not even brock lesner...
@mrblack87able LOL. I don't get people saying it wasn't exciting... it was beautiful to watch frankie transition so smoothly between striking, and wrestling against BJ PENN!... shame people can't appreciate that.
great fight.. edgar desirves that belt and more hes an awesome fighter.. couture is an awesome fighter as well glad he fu*Ken beat tony shit talkers ass.. Thats what he gets MMA fighter are better then boxers..
@BentHenny your butt hurt that a so called "gay" wrestler beat a current boxing heavyweight champion.if a "gay" wrestler was able to beat a HW champion it doesn't say much about the caliber of fighters boxing has to offer.
@sbc2k1
BEcause all they do is lay on the ground all day fighting like women.
Boxing , they fight like men! But im glad to hear your a fan of boxing. Almost all the ufc punks i come across hate boxing...
Nice props to John Lewis for introducing Zufa to MMA.
@whatevamang Yeah Pride was awesome. I hope Dream takes off but I can't see it personally, marketing and money is with the UFC. :-(. Check out this incredible tribute to Pride; /watch?v=HoHZpNX9nQc
ray mercer knocked out tim sylvia quicker than any mma guy beat sylvia. oh and frye lost a street fight to a retired ex-boxer. so why does everyone say boxers have no chance. I dont get it.
Damn i really wanted to see Pat Barry, kick the sh1t out of Toney's legs. Then Toney's mma eduction would be complete. Loss by submission, then a loss by thigh destruction. he'ld graduate with honours.
@BentHenny
Hey, say that to Machida, Shogun, Shane Carwin, Jose Aldo, BJ Penn, Kenny Florian, and the list goes on and on.
@ayengeeyouess boxing and mma are two different sports its like comparing baseball and soccer, a high level baseball player will not do well against a soccer player and vince-versa
@BentHenny Thats what a boxer would say after he got his ass kicked by a wrestler.
boxers only say that kind of shit because they know that wrestlers are the more dominant fighters.
@sbc2k1
Prove it. I have official fight challenge videos to them, but you dont!
I challenge you to a fight at mississipi town hall tuesday night at 8 oclock.
You accept?
NO MORE BOXERS! We already proved boxing ain't fuckin' with MMA. AND DON'T GIMME THE FACT THAT TONEY IS WASHED UP BECAUSE COUTURE IS 47 AND ISN'T EVEN A TOP MMA FIGHTER ANYMORE.
@ihavtugo
Only reason why i watch MMA is because i fight alot of ufc fighters and i have to watch and see there weak spots, which is pretty much everything they do!
@DemonJolteon
You buy this? This is as fake as wwe and tna and ecw!
Sean couldnt fight a fly if he had the chance to and dont even get me started on joe daddy.
BJ didnt fight like i'm used to seeing him...not sure what happened there...on the other hand, poor toney looked helpless and gravely unprepared against randy.
Randy literally did what everyone thought kinda sad Toney didnt even look in shape at all to me, you would think 9 months of training would get him in better shape
Toney is 42 years old.he is closing in at 43.Dana stands and talk like Toney is 25 years old.he was fat,slow,cant move around etc.he would do better if he for once could get down to around 200-210 pounds.he is so slow on his feet so there are no problem catching his legs.Randys attack was slow but james was even slower.,
@BentHenny the one where the cocky boxer got his ego checked and was taught what real fighting is.
@MrBeltfed
I challenge you to a fight!
Mississipi town hall thursday at 7 pm. Show up or else you forfit the fight and i become 45-0!
@BentHenny He was to busy punching him in the face and making him tap out in the first round. something no boxer was able to do.
@chatpilot
This is where you are wrong. Because the boxer would knock out the mixed martial artist out first second of the fight!
floyd can buy your house car wife and the ufc. Why would he want to join the ufc get beat up and elbowed for 100k dollars max. lmao
What's the point? The majority of the MMA community knew the result would be as it was, but Toney (like most boxing meatheads) had to have the point proved to him. We know that in the inverse Randy wouldn't be successful.
A mixed martial artist is more likely to be competitive in boxing than he is successful. Boxers train a refined set of skills that MMA fighters don't and can't for their particular situation, just as boxers don't train grappling or other striking methods.
I'm watching a fight right now where the UFC fighter with superior boxing skills is killing the UFC fighter without. In fact the UFC fighter using boxing skills has just knocked out the UFC fighter who is using kicks & take downs. When he switched from kicks and take down attempts to boxing he began dominating. This is what would happen if a boxer trained a year to defend against take downs and kicks, the boxer would dominate & knockouts would be common!
@dromezz Punching is two dumbasses swinging. Boxing is two technical athletes testing their skills. Its like bjj, its sooooo technical. If you thought that you could go into a boxing ring and 'just swing' then you would get out classed by a decent boxer. You would get countered after every swing and they would just take advantage of every single mistake and opening you make for them.
@TheDomy23, you learn the basics in mma? The fighters are continously evolving in each area and are doing more advanced stuff all the time and are trying to master as much as they can. And what is mastering one of them for you? There are guys who are world champions in bjj competing in mma. Olympic wrestlers who compete in mma. Top kickboxers who compete in mma. There are a lot of guys who have great stand up and are bjj black belts. But they only know the basics despite being bjj black belts?
@TheDomy23 i def think its harder to be a mma fighter for the fact that you have to know more you cannot go into a fight just knowing one aspect of fighting plus wrestling is a hell of alot harder then boxing would ever be but i also think that the days of big name boxers who people would want to see fight are over after mayweather and pacman retire mma still has a ways to go but they should def make more then 250k thats a joke
@achillesbeast I love boxing, but what I dislike is how majorly fucked up boxers end up in comparison to MMA fighters, you would think MMA would cause a lot more brain damage, but a boxers glory is short lived with all these problems - I look at guys like Randy Couture and Chuck Liddell and see that the sport seems to have a much lesser negative effect compared to Boxing, and you're right about the bullshit in boxing events, they need to sort that shit out.
i don't even see why people compare boxing to mma. it's pointless to argue which is better because the only thing they have in common is a ring and a canvas mat. the rules of combat sports determine everything and since mma is mostly wrestling a boxer won't do well. Neither would a wrestler do well in a boxing match. it's like forcing an nfl athlete to play soccer. apples and oranges.
@Guinea54 That' my biggest issue I have with MMA. It ends up being a wrestling match and not much else. boring. they should limit the amount of time on the ground or give scores for take-downs but break it up the same way they pull apart locked up boxers. the whole sport would change and it wouldn't be wrestler dominated anymore. the rules don't allow fighters real ways to get out of grapples. This is why so few effective martial arts are represented in mma.
I respect both sports, and my preference is boxing (since I am a boxer) but from me, there is no disrespect to the talent and fighting abilities of mma fighters.
the UFC is growing tremendously and I would be an ignorant fool to say that boxing beats UFC in events. No it doesn't. Boxing needs to get all this bullshit politics and economics outa there and make great fights for the fans. Thats what the UFC does and thats why it has been so successfull.
@timmyxdl Dude a ufc even makes about 15-25million from what I've read In Floyds last fights ,Oscar, Hatton, JMM, and Mosley he made more than that each fight. Plus common sense is that floyd will loose to someone like sean sherk or any other 155er that will wrestle or use BJJ so yeah man he would need to get paid so much to willingly take a fight he knows he will loose. PLus 500k for James Toney cmon now lol Floyd has cars worth more than that.
@BigboyDownStairs I hear what ur saying. You been to an amateur boxing match? I have - talk about sloppy. I have seen some girls throw better than some guys. I was once one of them. Fought as an amateur boxer, golden gloves and a few pro fights. I hold three black belts in three disciplines. I have been in scraps under the rules of sanctioned fights and in the streets where there are none....you name it. You too are missing the point (and I understand). Boxing is so one dimensional.
@MajestyQuickness Eliminate or limit the ground game? That sounds very much like K-1 with a twist. As others have said, it's boxing fans and clueless people who think the ground game is boring. Sometimes it can be, but the same goes for every sport.. it's never going to be 100% action packed. Sometimes, it can be fucking amaxing though. BJJ is my favourite aspect of MMA, no doubt!
More excitement = more money for fighters? Umm no. More wins/dominance = more money.
@comedicstuff You really think business is as simple as 'I'm not getting paid enough so me and a few of my buddies are going to start a business just like this one and it will be successful and become the best one in the nwhole entire world'. No, it's not. Affliction couldn't manage it with a good stable of fighters including Fedor, so Couture and Liddell sure as hell won't either. Plus., Liddel is friends with Dana and has been since before the UFC takeover."Cos MMA fighters are stupid" pft.