It’s harder to classify because 1) the relative and actual pricing has gone absolutely bananas 2) the last generation cards from both Nvidia and AMD are still very relevant 3) the 40 series and even some of the 7000 series cards didn’t offer much of a boost at all generation over generation
True, but the 30 series apart from the RTX 3060 and possibly 3060ti became irrelevant compared to the 40 series since they mostly have 8gb of VRAM, while for the newer generation, from RTX 4070 to the 4090 offer at least 12gb of VRAM or more, which is much better than the previous generation.
The 4090 is 100% an improvement over any card thats ever been released, the rest of the 40 series is like barely better if any than the 3090, pretty unhealthy business model
It's cuz the performance in recent games determine if the gpu is budget or high end, not the own company's lineup. So if 4070 is capable of 1440p gaming in this era, then it's on the high end side
@@Oliverottis1I have a 4070 TI super 16 gig. I play on 4k highest settings. This is is a great card. So this fuss about this being a budget card is not true.
@@Oliverottis1I would call 4K 60fps+ Enthusiast Tier. 1440 60FPS+ is High Tier and 1080 60fps+ mid range. As for budget, you're looking at the cheapest of the current/last generation (like a RX 6400) or older generation cards being resold at a serious mark down (like old RX 580s that sell between $60-$100.) People who call $300+ cards "budget" have money burning a hole in their pocket.
1440p now is where 1080p was 5 years ago, mid range. 1080p is budget, and 4k is high end. Above that is enthusiast class hardware (titan equivalent) remember the 980 ti could do 4k with some sacrifices with games of that era)
I'm here still running a 970. It just wont die, I bought it at launch more or less. It's gonna be 10 years old in a couple of weeks. Older than my three nephews.
I have a 970m in my laptop, bought it in 2015! It's still kicking! 😂 But I just ordered an ASUS TUF 2024 laptop w/a 4070 💪🏻 they're stopping support for Win10 this next year so I figured it's time to get with the times and it's Black Friday sales right now.
tbh if the iGPUs perform well enough this might very well be the case and I'm not even mad. I remember last time i got an AMD A-series APU and getting 60fps high setttings in League of Legends straight from the integrated, it was epic. Modern APUs could do this, if the Vega 16 is as powerful as a 1650 Ti then it's all good
Wym? You didn't build your own GPU from Scratch with the absolute best processors and chips possible? You didn't spend 2k on it? And mines only mid range, need 5k to even break into the high end spectrum
@miaugato93 Integrated Graphics are improving a lot by the year as well as dedicated GPUs so I definitely believe this would be the case in the near future. Honestly, we are 75% of the way there because most computers don't even have a GPU, like in offices.
Seriously tho, I put together a "newer" build for my nephew with an RX 570 cuz that was the card I used back in the day and it still kicks ass. For $60 (what I paid for it) you're still playing 70% of a well-rounded game library. Slapped it in an old Optiplex n case-swapped it and now big man gets to play the cool grown up games lol
Just because the model number the company happened to assign the card is in the ‘middle’ does not make it a mid range card. You have to compare the performance of all the cards on the market. The components market is pretty efficient: generally speaking, you get what you pay for. So, considering that the 4070 is a $600 card, yes, it’s high end.
In my eyes a GPU that can run 99% of modern games in 1440 ultra rtx enabled and still average above 90fps is high end. Which pretty much any of the 40s can do aside from some of the 8gb models. Cyberpunk and Starfield are the main two that every card would struggle with, so forget about those for this case lol
No its not high end. You dont know what high end means. It means the end level, the best parts, that is "high end" there is nothing better. A 4070 is by faaar not high end.
@@xs1xs1 High end means towards the high end of a spectrum, not the absolute best. By the definition you just gave, a 4090 isn't even high end because there are supercomputers that can outperform it. Considering that most people are playing on RX 580s or lower, the 4070 is by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar high end. (I have more a's than you, that means I win)
I have a gigabyte wind force 4070 and I play all games in 4K typically on ultra settings, as long as you turn shadows and reflections down a bit you can almost always run 120 fps pretty smoothly.
@@user00merc I’d say get the super. Only reason I didn’t is because I bought my 4070 before the super came out. Wish I would’ve waited another month bc now the price of the super is what the 4070 was when I bought it.
I used to play on integrated graphics on Ryzen 5 2600h and thought that a 3060 was very high end. I now have ryzen 5 7600 and a 7800xt and couldn’t be happier
@@TheAscendedHuman lil bro I wasn't even trying to say that moore's law is accelerating faster than ever, I'm mocking Jensen because he said one thing about moore's law, then turning around and saying the exact OPPOSITE thing. Also, who cares about that?
Well gamers are not actually targets they are focusing more on productivity and AI companies. So gamers are second hand customers for Nvidia profits out of gamers are not anywhere compared to all the funds these big companies use..
I used to build PCs for a living. I went to Best Buy to look at new parts, and walked out with an iBuyPower prebuilt because the value you’re saving nowadays is unbelievable: i7 14th gen, 4060, 1TB NVM.E, 32 GB DDR5 [$1049.99] I bought a 1070 ti for $350 5 years ago, for an already $950 computer. I ended up giving this entire PC to my friend who never had a gaming PC because it would cripple me to see the value I’d get for it now.
@@Suiltann only rtx the 4070 beats but like if your running 1080p my 7800 xt runs the medium ray tracing fairly well. Also neat thing about and you can overclock straight from the amd control which is amazing tool for those who actually wish to overclock a card.
I sadly bought a 4070 then a month later 4070 super came out honestly its still a huge upgrade from my decafe year old laptop i worked hard for it and im enjoying my pc!
I bought 4070 3 weeks ago and then I noticed there is also Super version which was about only 37-40 dollars more expensive but still, I'm happy with standard 4070 since it's still much more powerful than I originally planned to buy. I wanted to go from 1060 6GB to something like 3060 or 3070 so those additional 10-20 FPS it's not such a big deal for me since I still got over 100 FPS boost compared to 1060 😁
I got me and my daughter 4070's and I haven't had any problems - I play dcs with headtracking and everything turned up and it barely breaks a sweat. So far I play everything with ultra settings and it's not had any issues
@@mettie1982Really depends. If you play a wide range of new games you will find many that the 4070 will have to lower settings or resolutions for. For the price range it's ridiculous this thing isn't fully rated for 1440p. Good card for people like me who don't buy new games but quite a bad value for people that like to try the new stuff as it comes out and expect 70 tier performance. 70 tier really used to be near best and now it's more middle of the pack while being just as expensive. Nvidia is really becoming ridiculous with these prices.
We have to consider that the standard for gpus has gone up considerably too. The 4070 still isnt gonna have many issues with the most demanding titles despite being “middle of the pack”
All dependent on region, you westerners can buy those gpus, but where I am for regular person a 4080 is a dream and nobody even thinks of 4090, something like GTX-1600 series is considered mid range and RTX 4060 is a mid-high end, it's all about prices and salary
I remember when the X60 would be considered budget and the X70 would be considered a mid range card, I still remember the day the 970 came out for like $300
As a 3080 ti user, i’d say that the 3080 ti is 100% high end and because of that the 4070 is also high end as ots similar performance. Gpus are so powerful now that there is no gpu that is new and low end.(my opinion, i can explain more if people see this ig.)
It is. It's on the lowest echelon of high end tier. But these techtubers and reviewers sometimes are stupid and since they have so much availability and chance to test shit, they forget the real world usage and fall into the rabbit hole of the stupid schemes from companies. Not too long ago, 80 was the highest. 1070 and 1080 were the 2 high end cards (same for 2k series). It wasn't until 3k series with the "3090 HALO product" that things changed. Now you have ANOTHER TIER on itself, pushing down the other two, which are high end, further down below. And then both companies decided to make SKUs out of the SKUs with stupid variants that were slightly better instead of calling those a different tier. So that is why you have 4070, 4070 Ti, Super Ti etc. You have like 3 or 4 cards that have the same name but don't perform the same. Which is why in the end, by RAW NUMBERS and "list" (maybe pricing too) you could consider the 4070 "mid range", but it's not.
@@LautaroQ2812 This is exactly what I was gonna say. My buddy considers my 4060 ti to be high end to his 3060 he's getting. Both are pretty good cards still. The more I watch tech vtubers like him the more I've realized they are not any better then gamers making react vids when they pull stuff like this
Here in my country, a 4070 is close to $1000, I want to go AMD, but they are are AF. I was planning to buy a rx 7800xt for $700, but local and online shops are our of stocks. they only have few of them so you gotta get them fast.
If you're on a budget then STEER CLEAR of Nvidia, their prices are unreasonable in every manner. AMD has GPUs that are often cheaper and better than their Nvidia "counterpart" outside of RT, and without DLSS even RTX cards suck at RT. You can get a 6000 series amd GPU, for example.
This is why I ended up going AMD. I can get equally great GPUs, for a lower price. Not quite 4090 level, but more than good enough to worth not spending the 4090 price.
If you take perspective, a decent 4060 build pc can beat the current gen Xbox and PlayStation in a lot of ways. So a 4070 and above would be considered high end compared to current gen console gaming.
@@EX0007 no, I don't take demands from strangers. The information is free on the internet, go find it yourself. And I won't get out of here either. Feel free to leave if you don't like it here.
The 4070 Super is the only decent offering from NVIDIA that's worth even close to its price imo. If we compare the buying power of todays money and money from 2017 (when the famous 1080 Ti released) we can see that the buying power of the 4070 Super price ($600) is roughly even to a brand new 1070 FE price ($450) with it being $473.93. The reason why people see the pricing as an issue is because wages are stagnant and don't really rise with inflation.
As someone that came from console gaming, and just got into pc gaming 2 years ago, it's infuriating that a gpu that costs as much or more than a console, is considered " midrange" i bought a 3070ti, which is only slightly worse than the 3080- and people calling it a mid range 1440p card is frustrating.
I still use my RX 580 and I can't afford more. Honestly I don't see that much of a graphic improve on the games to justify those nonsense minimum specs they ask from me. I only see lazy and bad optimization in disguise from the games, and crazy overpricing from graphic cards brands, and I find it disgusting.
any GPU that can play 1440 at native resolution should be considered high end, doesn't matter the price, and anything that can play 1080p at 80+ fps should be midrange... the low-end j kinda died out (I mean granted the 3050 still exists)... I feel like were j taking it all for granted since there aren't really any low-end monitors anymore
I bought my Strix 5700XT almost 5 years ago and just upgraded to 4070 Super. I probably didn't need to but I wanted to max out my monitors 240hz refresh rate while also shrinking my pc even further.
You're not wrong at all, I agree, but I think we also have to account for all the other cards easily avaiable. With the chip shortage and the bonkers pricing keeping lots of people from upgrading the past few years, many of them are upgrading to cheaper, 20, 30 series, or AMD cards, instead of jumping up to 40 series. The bonkers pricing is keeping these older options on the table for longer, and ranking them up like you did but including all these older options, yeah, I can see why someone would consider the 4070 "slightly high-end".
This is why governments should dictate pricing. 4090 1000 4080 super 700 4080 600 4070 ti super 500 4070 ti 440 4070 super 380 4070 320 4060 ti 260 4060 200 These are what the cards really should cost.
@ImJustSomeoneNamedLucas I know. I'm in favour of laws that dictate the markup that companies can do to a maximum of 2.2× or something close to that. In this case a 4080 could cost a maximum of 660 which is near on what the 1080 cost on launch in 2016.
@xsplafix7011 No it isn't. Price controls are not communism. For it to be communism all property would have to be owned by the community so the population would own all of Nvidia manufacture machinery, but they don't and they won't. What this does is prevent corporate greed and keep prices reasonable even in a monopoly. If you just made a law that maximum markup over manufacturing costs is 2x then the 4080 would be 600.
I’ve had my 2070 S for a long time now many years. Still works great and can do 1440p gaming with no issue in the vast majority of situations Will update eventually
Part of the reason for this is that unlike a while ago, modern generations aren’t making such massive improvements that people stop buying the previous gen. This means that the new top cards are the high tiers and previous gen cards take the place of the low tiers, with the lowest modern cards taking that mid to high range spot. Furthermore, I feel like nowadays people are comparing to laptop implementations more, where cards like the 4050 or even lower exist, which would then be the ACTUAL low tier cards.
Have a 4070ti from pny which i was able to OC the crap out of and i love it. Max settings on pretty much every game at 1440p runs like butter. Hopefully i won't need a upgrade for a while unless i want to play at 4k
It’s only mid range if you compare this gen’s gpus. All the past couple gen gpus added makes it relatively high end. Most aaa games can be run well on a 3 gen old card. Its pretty powerful and can run most games max settings since most people don’t have a 4k monitor
Any card in the 30 series and above (except the 3050) is high end. RUclipsrs fail to realise that most people out here rocking GTX cards, and true budget ballers still have integrated graphics
If you go back to the old days when they produced a 710, 730, GT740, GTX750, GTX750Ti, GTX760, GTX770, GTX780 and GTX780Ti, the 770 was pretty high end, 760 and 750ti were mid and 750 down were budget.
4070 super being mid range is kind of a kick in the ass. It’s a very good and generously powerful gpu and if you have one you probably won’t need to upgrade again for a very long time.
Its the same phenomenon as the car market, every new car is basically a luxury car because it makes more money. so if you want affordable or even entry level card you have to go used.
I’m still running a 960 because I bought it off another guy a few years ago, I really need an upgrade now though and I am extremely surprised that it hasn’t killed itself yet with all the baldurs gate 3 I’ve been playing
I currently have a pc with a 3070 I wanna rebuild my whole pc and I am willing to even change the case, my budget isn’t so much but I’m will to drop 1700 on the pc, if it goes up to 2000 I might be able to do some negotiating and still be able to buy it, I will mostly need to for gaming and sometimes doing ‘homework’. I wrote this to see if u could do a video of all pc parts I would need to build this and what case I should get I was thinking to make my build all white but if it isn’t possible I will be happy with any colour I’m not asking you to build this for me and give it for free, I’m a young but mature child and I want to build my first pc so if u can also make a tutorial how to build the pc with the case and parts you think I should use. You don’t need to do this but please recomend the best parts I could use Please like so he can see.
Ya, I don't care much for what you have to say if you don't even know that xx70, xx80, and xx90 are always high end cards. Have always been high end cards, and will always be high end cards. xx50 and xx60 are mid range cards. The stuff on laptops will always be entry level despite what they try to label it as, and integrated is not to even be considered a real graphics chip. I've been buying exclusively nVidia cards since before they were called nvidia cards. Seriously since the Riva TNT. I'm too old to have much patience for ignorance.
I always put tiers into tiers 🤣🤣 ittl get you by, low end, mid-low, mid-mid, etc... just because there are just so many gpus now days, that there's a card for every performance level now.
I understand what you mean, like the 4070S is branded as a 1440p GPU but does pretty well in 4K with Dlss and FG so you can lable it as a top tier sort of GPU.
I would recommend you put the $600 in a cash money account and get it with a 0% small loan from an after pay. Set it to draw money from the cash account with interest rates at 8%. You could be looking at a $20 to $60 discount. The longer the better.
My roommate was seriously debating on buying a RTX 4070, because truth be told, at the time he was looking to buy, it was a decent (ish) value for the craziness that is now the GPU world. He was upgrading from a RTX 2080 Super, which he had bought because it was a MUCH better value than the 2080 Ti at the time, and it was a very nice upgrade going from a GTX 1070 at the time. While yes, the RTX 4070 is a nice upgrade even over a 2080 Super, in the end he is much happier with his RTX 4080 he bought instead. The extra VRAM, the extra performance and going from a nearly top tier card to another nearly top tier card made more sense in the long term. He is still very happy with his choice now, every game he has thrown at his current system just runs beautifully. I am still very happy with the 2080 Super after buying it from him.
I consider the 4070 upper mid-range, like yeah, if you look at every model in the current generation, it's not high up there, but compare it to everything on the market and it's clearly a step above other mid-rangers. Being comparable to a 3080 which is still considered high-end by many, it's completely fair to say it's currently at the lower ceiling of high end or upper ceiling of mid-range
I've recently ordered a zotac RTX 4070 12gb OC in white to match my all white aesthetic, also got some white braided extensions and another nvme ssd, this time 2tb gen 3 for games and skyrim mods. I have a liquid cooled i5 12400f, could have got away with air cooling but I already had the liquid cooler from a previous build also have DDR4 3200 cl16, should have a pretty decent mid range pc when all is done & should play games at 1080p 165 at my desk or 4K 144 I'm hoping cause I'm having an HDMI 2.1 cable fed from my pc to my TV on another spot in my living room. My TV does 4K 144 with pc, just have to lower some settings.
I bought a 6800xt on Black Friday last year for $400 I’m beyond happy with it I can play 4k max on everything I basically want and the 16gb of vram has been amazing since every game is so hungry for it now. Sure I’d like an nvidia card for the ray tracing capabilities but I can’t justify over double what I paid to do that
I guess that would be true now. Back then x60 series was considered mid range since they had x50. X70 was considered as high end since the difference between x70 and x80 was roughly 5-10%. X80 were if you were extravagant, rich, or poor spending habits.
Just built a PC and went in with the expectation to get a 4080ti maybe a 4090 if could find one decently priced. Ended up with a 4070ti super. Wasn’t even considering the 4070 range but had no clue there was such thing as a “ti super” but at least it has 16gb of VRAM which. Still was nearly $900… it seems NVIDIA saw the insanely marked up prices people were willing to pay during the pandemic/chip shortage and thought to themselves “why don’t we always charge that much”. I hadn’t paid attention to GPU prices in a minute and thought I’d be able to get a 4090 for ~$1200 max. Silly me
People say the 4070 should stick to 1440 but because of FG (which does not have notable latency), you can vibe on 4k pretty easily - its not a high end card by any means, but it is very capable for 4k
I still consider 3060 ti as mid to high end just to not hurt my feelings
I'm sorry bro😂
It is mid to high end, it can play almost all AAA titles iirc
The Rx 7000 XT is better
@@lorenzoluppi1159a card is not mid or high end just because it can play games
I still consider my 970 mid end to not hurt my feelings lmao
Man I remember when the GTX 1080 was the most expensive gpu on the market at 500 dollars and still was an absolute bargain
Nothing will be like Pascal ever again
You guys act like those GPUs sold at msrp, y’all don’t remember how the 1080 Ti was scalped to $1000-1200 back in its days?
Thats what they do nowdays too lil bro@smoothkebab
looking back at it now, i feel so stupid for nearly buying it
@smoothkebab now it's Nvidia doing the scalping and screwing everyone who wants a good gpu at an affordable price
It’s harder to classify because 1) the relative and actual pricing has gone absolutely bananas 2) the last generation cards from both Nvidia and AMD are still very relevant 3) the 40 series and even some of the 7000 series cards didn’t offer much of a boost at all generation over generation
Problem is with Nvidia, people got no choice but to buy newer gen, unlike AMD since they locked their newest dlss feature on 40 series only
True, but the 30 series apart from the RTX 3060 and possibly 3060ti became irrelevant compared to the 40 series since they mostly have 8gb of VRAM, while for the newer generation, from RTX 4070 to the 4090 offer at least 12gb of VRAM or more, which is much better than the previous generation.
You're just poor
@@kev1310 then give me your money since you love getting robbed.
The 4090 is 100% an improvement over any card thats ever been released, the rest of the 40 series is like barely better if any than the 3090, pretty unhealthy business model
It's cuz the performance in recent games determine if the gpu is budget or high end, not the own company's lineup. So if 4070 is capable of 1440p gaming in this era, then it's on the high end side
4k is high end
@@Oliverottis1I have a 4070 TI super 16 gig. I play on 4k highest settings. This is is a great card. So this fuss about this being a budget card is not true.
@@Oliverottis1I would call 4K 60fps+ Enthusiast Tier. 1440 60FPS+ is High Tier and 1080 60fps+ mid range.
As for budget, you're looking at the cheapest of the current/last generation (like a RX 6400) or older generation cards being resold at a serious mark down (like old RX 580s that sell between $60-$100.)
People who call $300+ cards "budget" have money burning a hole in their pocket.
1440p now is where 1080p was 5 years ago, mid range. 1080p is budget, and 4k is high end. Above that is enthusiast class hardware (titan equivalent) remember the 980 ti could do 4k with some sacrifices with games of that era)
Mine was double that and I can assure you it only cost half a kidney 🥹
I'm here still running a 970. It just wont die, I bought it at launch more or less. It's gonna be 10 years old in a couple of weeks. Older than my three nephews.
I have a 970m in my laptop, bought it in 2015! It's still kicking! 😂
But I just ordered an ASUS TUF 2024 laptop w/a 4070 💪🏻 they're stopping support for Win10 this next year so I figured it's time to get with the times and it's Black Friday sales right now.
I have mine still laying around, beautiful reference design, bad choice cooling wise, but that thing still looks sleek af.
We're getting pretty close to "having a dedicated GPU is sorta high end".
tbh if the iGPUs perform well enough this might very well be the case and I'm not even mad. I remember last time i got an AMD A-series APU and getting 60fps high setttings in League of Legends straight from the integrated, it was epic.
Modern APUs could do this, if the Vega 16 is as powerful as a 1650 Ti then it's all good
Wym? You didn't build your own GPU from Scratch with the absolute best processors and chips possible? You didn't spend 2k on it? And mines only mid range, need 5k to even break into the high end spectrum
Like back in the 90s?
I recently got into pc building and essentially this is my Way of thinking when it comes to GPU's for a new pc 🤣
@miaugato93 Integrated Graphics are improving a lot by the year as well as dedicated GPUs so I definitely believe this would be the case in the near future. Honestly, we are 75% of the way there because most computers don't even have a GPU, like in offices.
As someone whos still using a gtx 960
Man im dead
F AAA games. Esports are better.
gtx 960 gang
I have gt 720 no one can beat it, ill get a 1660 s hopefully
@@Playerwhodoesntexistif u don't do 3d graphic designing, go for amd gpu bro🗿
damn, that made me like 10x more grateful for my rx 580
Getting a used previous gen card is honestly the way to go. You save hundreds of dollars and get really good performance.
a gtx 1090 is still a beast for alot of games and is what i would go for if i had the money
@@ardalrex 1090 doesn't exist tho?
@@ethanpicken6992 lol my bad i have no clue what gpu i was talking about when i made that comment
@@ethanpicken6992he just misspelled 1080 Ti
Seriously tho, I put together a "newer" build for my nephew with an RX 570 cuz that was the card I used back in the day and it still kicks ass. For $60 (what I paid for it) you're still playing 70% of a well-rounded game library. Slapped it in an old Optiplex n case-swapped it and now big man gets to play the cool grown up games lol
Just because the model number the company happened to assign the card is in the ‘middle’ does not make it a mid range card. You have to compare the performance of all the cards on the market.
The components market is pretty efficient: generally speaking, you get what you pay for.
So, considering that the 4070 is a $600 card, yes, it’s high end.
In my eyes a GPU that can run 99% of modern games in 1440 ultra rtx enabled and still average above 90fps is high end. Which pretty much any of the 40s can do aside from some of the 8gb models.
Cyberpunk and Starfield are the main two that every card would struggle with, so forget about those for this case lol
No its not high end. You dont know what high end means. It means the end level, the best parts, that is "high end" there is nothing better. A 4070 is by faaar not high end.
@@xs1xs1 High end means towards the high end of a spectrum, not the absolute best. By the definition you just gave, a 4090 isn't even high end because there are supercomputers that can outperform it.
Considering that most people are playing on RX 580s or lower, the 4070 is by faaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaar high end.
(I have more a's than you, that means I win)
@@AngerMaker413 shit my 1080 runs cyberpunk on high
Its not cope harder
I have a gigabyte wind force 4070 and I play all games in 4K typically on ultra settings, as long as you turn shadows and reflections down a bit you can almost always run 120 fps pretty smoothly.
Same
do you think it would be worth it to upgrade to a 4070 super or just save the money and get 4070?
@@user00merc I’d say get the super. Only reason I didn’t is because I bought my 4070 before the super came out. Wish I would’ve waited another month bc now the price of the super is what the 4070 was when I bought it.
There's not a massive difference In all 4070-4070 ti -4070 super obviously is a difference but not massive
@@HaxbyHaxby the price increase is pretty small tho, so might as well save the extra few and get it
I used to play on integrated graphics on Ryzen 5 2600h and thought that a 3060 was very high end. I now have ryzen 5 7600 and a 7800xt and couldn’t be happier
Yooo same, planning on going with a R5 7600X with an RX 7800 XT
@@delayedplayerif you haven't already tbh I'd go with the Rx 6750xt tbh it's probably better and definitely cheaper than a 7800xt
Or maybe a 6800xt about the same price and like $200 cheaper
7800xt is way beter@@Bender1
@@dariogenshin5892 it's also $200 more, the 6750 xt is perfectly fine for 1440p
Bro 4070 is like 720$ in my country 💀💀
I bought my 4070 Super for around $660.
Saw a gigabyte card for as cheap as $505
@@orkodork2764 bro in india its around 60k INR which is around 700$
And super version is ~800$
Can't buy good GPU's at good prices 😭💀💀
The cheapeast one i found here was R$4254 or about 840 dollars, which is equal to a little over 3x the minimum monthly wage
4070ti is 1300$ in my country bruh whadaheeeeeeell
With all the inflation problems, Lvidia is still raising prices unreasonably while saying moores law is dead.
Lvidia boy funny asl had my laugh
BUT THEN THEY TURNED AROUND AND SAID MOORE'S LAW WAS ACCELERATING 🤣🤣🤣
Inflation is fake. Its just corporate greed.
@@TheAscendedHuman lil bro I wasn't even trying to say that moore's law is accelerating faster than ever, I'm mocking Jensen because he said one thing about moore's law, then turning around and saying the exact OPPOSITE thing. Also, who cares about that?
Well gamers are not actually targets they are focusing more on productivity and AI companies. So gamers are second hand customers for Nvidia profits out of gamers are not anywhere compared to all the funds these big companies use..
I used to build PCs for a living. I went to Best Buy to look at new parts, and walked out with an iBuyPower prebuilt because the value you’re saving nowadays is unbelievable:
i7 14th gen, 4060, 1TB NVM.E, 32 GB DDR5 [$1049.99]
I bought a 1070 ti for $350 5 years ago, for an already $950 computer. I ended up giving this entire PC to my friend who never had a gaming PC because it would cripple me to see the value I’d get for it now.
If that’s the case a 4070 super is also mid range, meaning for $1900 on your pc build site, all you’re getting is a mid range build
With 500 u can get a way better gpu the market is so bad😭🔫
Honestly can't you get like a 7800 xt for that price?
@@Linkman8912 add like 20$ for a 3 fan and yeah it runs better sometimes too lol
@@juliangawel3856no not sometimes the 7800xt is better all the time the only thing that made 4070 so expensive quz if thier trash rtx
@@Suiltann only rtx the 4070 beats but like if your running 1080p my 7800 xt runs the medium ray tracing fairly well. Also neat thing about and you can overclock straight from the amd control which is amazing tool for those who actually wish to overclock a card.
@@Linkman8912you can get at 7700 for like 400 dollars as well still a good gpu but a bit cheaper lol
I sadly bought a 4070 then a month later 4070 super came out honestly its still a huge upgrade from my decafe year old laptop i worked hard for it and im enjoying my pc!
I bought mine last September. Problem with it was the vram at least for the stuff I do.
Ended up replacing mine with a 4080 super.
The price went down and I was able to get 4070 fan edition for $730 cad 😎
I bought 4070 3 weeks ago and then I noticed there is also Super version which was about only 37-40 dollars more expensive but still, I'm happy with standard 4070 since it's still much more powerful than I originally planned to buy. I wanted to go from 1060 6GB to something like 3060 or 3070 so those additional 10-20 FPS it's not such a big deal for me since I still got over 100 FPS boost compared to 1060 😁
I got me and my daughter 4070's and I haven't had any problems - I play dcs with headtracking and everything turned up and it barely breaks a sweat. So far I play everything with ultra settings and it's not had any issues
@@mettie1982Really depends. If you play a wide range of new games you will find many that the 4070 will have to lower settings or resolutions for. For the price range it's ridiculous this thing isn't fully rated for 1440p. Good card for people like me who don't buy new games but quite a bad value for people that like to try the new stuff as it comes out and expect 70 tier performance. 70 tier really used to be near best and now it's more middle of the pack while being just as expensive. Nvidia is really becoming ridiculous with these prices.
i saw a build which was "high end" but when i checked the specification it has a rx 570 and ryzen 5 3600, it was a hilarious moment
that exact setup is what i used until recently. it was great, no issues running any games at all.
We have to consider that the standard for gpus has gone up considerably too. The 4070 still isnt gonna have many issues with the most demanding titles despite being “middle of the pack”
That’s why it’s best to refer to them by their tier within the same generation. Once you throw in the previous or next gen, it gets muddy fast
I have one and I freaking love it. Beast in 1440p on my 240hz monitor
Same here I mainly play dcs but I always have the settings maxed
I have 7800xt that’s higher than pterodactyl tits for me my whole build was less than a 4090 with a 7800x3d and 32 gigs of ram
that's a damn nice rig man!
amd > nvidia right now especially gaming
same here bro, rx 6800 with a 7800x3d and i truly think it shits on any nvidia card right now, price to performance
I'm rocking a 7900xtx, and I'm still under a 4090 in total price of my build.
The Ryzen 4070 obviously outmatches any GPUs price to performance 🤓☝️
ztt meme noticed , ztt meme liked
Nvidia marketing department trying to copy Apple
I have the 4050, it runs pretty good, I can play games with raytracing and stuff it’s pretty cool
Same its like 3060 so, in a laptop its great.
All dependent on region, you westerners can buy those gpus, but where I am for regular person a 4080 is a dream and nobody even thinks of 4090, something like GTX-1600 series is considered mid range and RTX 4060 is a mid-high end, it's all about prices and salary
ryzen 4070 is the best anyway
The fact a 3060ti is all I could buy with my budget yet it’s considered a low-mid range gpu is crazy.
I remember when the X60 would be considered budget and the X70 would be considered a mid range card, I still remember the day the 970 came out for like $300
As a 3080 ti user, i’d say that the 3080 ti is 100% high end and because of that the 4070 is also high end as ots similar performance. Gpus are so powerful now that there is no gpu that is new and low end.(my opinion, i can explain more if people see this ig.)
your 3080ti was high 3 years ago now its a midrange. it can't do 4k gaming with ultra setting without getting less then 60 fps. but it's a great gpu
@@fizecat3418 ok but 4k is like not very useful tho?? cause i used a 900p monitor for a long time up until recently and it looks perfectly fine
@@fizecat3418 actually, it gets more than 100 fps in any game at max settings in 4k
@@Isaacthemaniac yeah, 4k at 60+ fps is just... stupid lol
@@chrisdacorte9566 for real bro like the point of games isnt to mimic reality, its to have fun
Wait the 4070 ISNT HIGH END??? Well the world is screwed
It is. It's on the lowest echelon of high end tier. But these techtubers and reviewers sometimes are stupid and since they have so much availability and chance to test shit, they forget the real world usage and fall into the rabbit hole of the stupid schemes from companies.
Not too long ago, 80 was the highest. 1070 and 1080 were the 2 high end cards (same for 2k series). It wasn't until 3k series with the "3090 HALO product" that things changed. Now you have ANOTHER TIER on itself, pushing down the other two, which are high end, further down below. And then both companies decided to make SKUs out of the SKUs with stupid variants that were slightly better instead of calling those a different tier. So that is why you have 4070, 4070 Ti, Super Ti etc. You have like 3 or 4 cards that have the same name but don't perform the same.
Which is why in the end, by RAW NUMBERS and "list" (maybe pricing too) you could consider the 4070 "mid range", but it's not.
@@LautaroQ2812 This is exactly what I was gonna say. My buddy considers my 4060 ti to be high end to his 3060 he's getting. Both are pretty good cards still. The more I watch tech vtubers like him the more I've realized they are not any better then gamers making react vids when they pull stuff like this
@@LautaroQ2812 thanks dude
@@LautaroQ2812 thanks bro
@@PEguinQuAcKers that was the same with me lol 😂
Here in my country, a 4070 is close to $1000, I want to go AMD, but they are are AF. I was planning to buy a rx 7800xt for $700, but local and online shops are our of stocks. they only have few of them so you gotta get them fast.
I have the 4070ti and I absolutely love it.
So long as the previous generation's cards are still relevant, it places most everything new as "high end" or at least mid range
the ryzen 4070 is the best graphics card, its high (so high end you dont even need an end)
I'm saving for a PC, currently at like 20 bucks, so it'll take a while... and if a 4070 is that much.... I'm deeeead
Yeah you're going to be saving for a while. At least when you get there you can follow Zach's builds?
If you can save around 400-500 dollars you'll still get a really good pc. I know the struggle tho as a student. Hope you get there!
If you're on a budget then STEER CLEAR of Nvidia, their prices are unreasonable in every manner.
AMD has GPUs that are often cheaper and better than their Nvidia "counterpart" outside of RT, and without DLSS even RTX cards suck at RT.
You can get a 6000 series amd GPU, for example.
@@Catastropheex1yep! Totally buying from amd for my buils
@@bloxhead390thanks man! Ik itll take a while... but itll be worth it
and we wonder why AMD is gaining market share so fast.
Yeah gotta be honest, I accepted it as mid range when I bought it, just happy if I get at least 6 years out of it.
In a world where mid means bad midrange is accurate
This is why I ended up going AMD. I can get equally great GPUs, for a lower price. Not quite 4090 level, but more than good enough to worth not spending the 4090 price.
what about dlss?
@@PLoverTR fsr
AMD gpus are dogshit at running opengl games like Starsector
@@PLoverTR we have fsr.
@@cooldud7071 maybe if your drivers are out of date.
If you take perspective, a decent 4060 build pc can beat the current gen Xbox and PlayStation in a lot of ways. So a 4070 and above would be considered high end compared to current gen console gaming.
Beat how exactly??🤣Cause last I checked 4060 can't do 4k 60fps in triple A games like current gen consoles even with upscaling🤣
@@EX0007 maybe it's time to check again. A 4060 beats current gen consoles in many ways.
@@luckycatdad8369 Either you explain in what ways it beats current gen and cite your sources or gtfoh with your BS
@@EX0007 no, I don't take demands from strangers. The information is free on the internet, go find it yourself. And I won't get out of here either. Feel free to leave if you don't like it here.
@@luckycatdad8369 So you have no proof and was just talking BS, good to know.. and liking your own comments is dumb as hell, like your lies.
The 4070 Super is the only decent offering from NVIDIA that's worth even close to its price imo.
If we compare the buying power of todays money and money from 2017 (when the famous 1080 Ti released) we can see that the buying power of the 4070 Super price ($600) is roughly even to a brand new 1070 FE price ($450) with it being $473.93. The reason why people see the pricing as an issue is because wages are stagnant and don't really rise with inflation.
True, its kind of comparable to a 3090 and thats considered a high end card still
As someone that came from console gaming, and just got into pc gaming 2 years ago, it's infuriating that a gpu that costs as much or more than a console, is considered " midrange" i bought a 3070ti, which is only slightly worse than the 3080- and people calling it a mid range 1440p card is frustrating.
They're just mad that they don't have your card specifically, enjoy your games
I still use my RX 580 and I can't afford more. Honestly I don't see that much of a graphic improve on the games to justify those nonsense minimum specs they ask from me.
I only see lazy and bad optimization in disguise from the games, and crazy overpricing from graphic cards brands, and I find it disgusting.
any GPU that can play 1440 at native resolution should be considered high end, doesn't matter the price, and anything that can play 1080p at 80+ fps should be midrange... the low-end j kinda died out (I mean granted the 3050 still exists)... I feel like were j taking it all for granted since there aren't really any low-end monitors anymore
tbh the ryzen 4070 is a lot better
We need breakthroughs with the IGPU range. Having midrange cards be priced like diamonds mean that we're doing something wrong.
I bought my Strix 5700XT almost 5 years ago and just upgraded to 4070 Super. I probably didn't need to but I wanted to max out my monitors 240hz refresh rate while also shrinking my pc even further.
You're not wrong at all, I agree, but I think we also have to account for all the other cards easily avaiable. With the chip shortage and the bonkers pricing keeping lots of people from upgrading the past few years, many of them are upgrading to cheaper, 20, 30 series, or AMD cards, instead of jumping up to 40 series. The bonkers pricing is keeping these older options on the table for longer, and ranking them up like you did but including all these older options, yeah, I can see why someone would consider the 4070 "slightly high-end".
do the thug shake
This ain't carter
Wrong channel mate
Shut up
Friggoff Ricky!
This is why governments should dictate pricing.
4090 1000
4080 super 700
4080 600
4070 ti super 500
4070 ti 440
4070 super 380
4070 320
4060 ti 260
4060 200
These are what the cards really should cost.
The original 4080 cost like $300 to manufacture
NO!!!! Are you out of your mind????? Never rely on the government for jack shit
@ImJustSomeoneNamedLucas I know. I'm in favour of laws that dictate the markup that companies can do to a maximum of 2.2× or something close to that.
In this case a 4080 could cost a maximum of 660 which is near on what the 1080 cost on launch in 2016.
@@sirdetmist3204you know what that’s called Communism. Don’t we love communism
@xsplafix7011 No it isn't. Price controls are not communism. For it to be communism all property would have to be owned by the community so the population would own all of Nvidia manufacture machinery, but they don't and they won't. What this does is prevent corporate greed and keep prices reasonable even in a monopoly.
If you just made a law that maximum markup over manufacturing costs is 2x then the 4080 would be 600.
I think it is high end if you factor in what is actually most common in most people’s pcs
I’ve had my 2070 S for a long time now many years. Still works great and can do 1440p gaming with no issue in the vast majority of situations
Will update eventually
You americans
I dunno my Radeon 7900 XTX is still treating me very well
I just got a 7900xt and it is magical with the 7800x3d 😊
My "high end" 3050 mobile 🗿🗿🗿🗿
Part of the reason for this is that unlike a while ago, modern generations aren’t making such massive improvements that people stop buying the previous gen. This means that the new top cards are the high tiers and previous gen cards take the place of the low tiers, with the lowest modern cards taking that mid to high range spot. Furthermore, I feel like nowadays people are comparing to laptop implementations more, where cards like the 4050 or even lower exist, which would then be the ACTUAL low tier cards.
Considering all the computors in the world, any gaming card is high end
GPU prices have been fucked for a while I bought a GTX 1080 for $300 in 2017.. thats not just inflation
Have a 4070ti from pny which i was able to OC the crap out of and i love it. Max settings on pretty much every game at 1440p runs like butter. Hopefully i won't need a upgrade for a while unless i want to play at 4k
It’s only mid range if you compare this gen’s gpus. All the past couple gen gpus added makes it relatively high end. Most aaa games can be run well on a 3 gen old card. Its pretty powerful and can run most games max settings since most people don’t have a 4k monitor
Any card in the 30 series and above (except the 3050) is high end. RUclipsrs fail to realise that most people out here rocking GTX cards, and true budget ballers still have integrated graphics
me on a 4060 laptop that runs at 100% all day 💀
My 3080 Ti goes blow for blow with a 4070. I play plenty of stuff at 4k.
If you go back to the old days when they produced a 710, 730, GT740, GTX750, GTX750Ti, GTX760, GTX770, GTX780 and GTX780Ti, the 770 was pretty high end, 760 and 750ti were mid and 750 down were budget.
4070 super being mid range is kind of a kick in the ass. It’s a very good and generously powerful gpu and if you have one you probably won’t need to upgrade again for a very long time.
The fact that I'm watching this on a pc rocking a used GTX 1060 (it honestly runs pretty well for stuff like minecraft and people playground)
3060 Ti has lasted me 3 years now and I bought that in the GPU shortage
Amd has been treating me well. RX 7900 XTX AT 900 for 24gb vram and some crazy nice specs.
Its the same phenomenon as the car market, every new car is basically a luxury car because it makes more money. so if you want affordable or even entry level card you have to go used.
Imagine there being a single gpu for sale for less than $1000 in your country. Now that would be good times
I’m still running a 960 because I bought it off another guy a few years ago, I really need an upgrade now though and I am extremely surprised that it hasn’t killed itself yet with all the baldurs gate 3 I’ve been playing
i think you meant the ryzen 4070 lol
I currently have a pc with a 3070 I wanna rebuild my whole pc and I am willing to even change the case, my budget isn’t so much but I’m will to drop 1700 on the pc, if it goes up to 2000 I might be able to do some negotiating and still be able to buy it, I will mostly need to for gaming and sometimes doing ‘homework’.
I wrote this to see if u could do a video of all pc parts I would need to build this and what case I should get
I was thinking to make my build all white but if it isn’t possible I will be happy with any colour
I’m not asking you to build this for me and give it for free, I’m a young but mature child and I want to build my first pc so if u can also make a tutorial how to build the pc with the case and parts you think I should use.
You don’t need to do this but please recomend the best parts I could use
Please like so he can see.
Ya, I don't care much for what you have to say if you don't even know that xx70, xx80, and xx90 are always high end cards. Have always been high end cards, and will always be high end cards. xx50 and xx60 are mid range cards. The stuff on laptops will always be entry level despite what they try to label it as, and integrated is not to even be considered a real graphics chip. I've been buying exclusively nVidia cards since before they were called nvidia cards. Seriously since the Riva TNT. I'm too old to have much patience for ignorance.
It's crazy to think that pre-rtx, the titan X was an outrage card at what is now a measley $1000
The prices have just gotten absolutely unreal.
The 3060ti is still a beast and should be the only thing you need for entry level 1440p gaming
yeah true it can destroy esports at 1440p but might struggle a little with AAA titles haha
@justmatt2655 yep, switched to 4070ti super two days ago and my god it's amazing. I got my 3060ti on display
@@christiantrent1030 damn that's a nice upgrade enjoy it
I always put tiers into tiers 🤣🤣 ittl get you by, low end, mid-low, mid-mid, etc... just because there are just so many gpus now days, that there's a card for every performance level now.
I understand what you mean, like the 4070S is branded as a 1440p GPU but does pretty well in 4K with Dlss and FG so you can lable it as a top tier sort of GPU.
So? 2 years ago, the 3000s series were being sold for thousands of dollars each.
Now the mid-high end are the high end ones from last gen
I would recommend you put the $600 in a cash money account and get it with a 0% small loan from an after pay. Set it to draw money from the cash account with interest rates at 8%. You could be looking at a $20 to $60 discount. The longer the better.
My roommate was seriously debating on buying a RTX 4070, because truth be told, at the time he was looking to buy, it was a decent (ish) value for the craziness that is now the GPU world. He was upgrading from a RTX 2080 Super, which he had bought because it was a MUCH better value than the 2080 Ti at the time, and it was a very nice upgrade going from a GTX 1070 at the time. While yes, the RTX 4070 is a nice upgrade even over a 2080 Super, in the end he is much happier with his RTX 4080 he bought instead. The extra VRAM, the extra performance and going from a nearly top tier card to another nearly top tier card made more sense in the long term. He is still very happy with his choice now, every game he has thrown at his current system just runs beautifully. I am still very happy with the 2080 Super after buying it from him.
Still waiting for them to release 4040 light 😢
I consider the 4070 upper mid-range, like yeah, if you look at every model in the current generation, it's not high up there, but compare it to everything on the market and it's clearly a step above other mid-rangers. Being comparable to a 3080 which is still considered high-end by many, it's completely fair to say it's currently at the lower ceiling of high end or upper ceiling of mid-range
I've recently ordered a zotac RTX 4070 12gb OC in white to match my all white aesthetic, also got some white braided extensions and another nvme ssd, this time 2tb gen 3 for games and skyrim mods. I have a liquid cooled i5 12400f, could have got away with air cooling but I already had the liquid cooler from a previous build also have DDR4 3200 cl16, should have a pretty decent mid range pc when all is done & should play games at 1080p 165 at my desk or 4K 144 I'm hoping cause I'm having an HDMI 2.1 cable fed from my pc to my TV on another spot in my living room. My TV does 4K 144 with pc, just have to lower some settings.
Now budget cards are like three gens old
I just don’t no why we’re not even considering older generations, they still work, people still buy them
Yep that why im going red with my next build, probably helps that the case is theme on a red holo RRat
It's like anything expensive. A budget car or budget house is still expensive, just less so compared to others.
I bought a 6800xt on Black Friday last year for $400 I’m beyond happy with it I can play 4k max on everything I basically want and the 16gb of vram has been amazing since every game is so hungry for it now. Sure I’d like an nvidia card for the ray tracing capabilities but I can’t justify over double what I paid to do that
4070 is actually high end, and 4080 is high asf end and 4090 is fentanyl laced cookies high end
I guess that would be true now. Back then x60 series was considered mid range since they had x50. X70 was considered as high end since the difference between x70 and x80 was roughly 5-10%. X80 were if you were extravagant, rich, or poor spending habits.
Just built a PC and went in with the expectation to get a 4080ti maybe a 4090 if could find one decently priced. Ended up with a 4070ti super. Wasn’t even considering the 4070 range but had no clue there was such thing as a “ti super” but at least it has 16gb of VRAM which. Still was nearly $900… it seems NVIDIA saw the insanely marked up prices people were willing to pay during the pandemic/chip shortage and thought to themselves “why don’t we always charge that much”. I hadn’t paid attention to GPU prices in a minute and thought I’d be able to get a 4090 for ~$1200 max. Silly me
What about a ryzen 4070
As someone with a GTX 1070 TI 8GB VRAM it works very well
nah Zack, he did not say screwed
I wanna hear you say "fuuuuuuu" with a nice cutoff
People say the 4070 should stick to 1440 but because of FG (which does not have notable latency), you can vibe on 4k pretty easily - its not a high end card by any means, but it is very capable for 4k
I still consider my 3050 high end just to feel better :(