First, don't use antifreeze coolant. Second, DON'T use water. Water will probably corrode the inside of the radiator, plus it doesn't have the cooling abilities of coolant designed for PC liquid cooling system. PC coolant can be found online from numerous sources.
Robb cheers for that I'd seen one of the homemade ones on youtube and they said they were using PC coolant so I shall flush the water/dry it and try some later this week
@@DriftomaniacsRC While you can use distilled water, in doing so, you also need to add a corrosion inhibitor, such as Dazmode’s “Protector” Additive...but ALWAYS avoid tap water, or standard/drinking bottled water. Minerals in these will eventually cause corrosion in the radiator, not to mention mineral buildup (which will create blockage within the radiator, thus making it useless). I don't know about the water in your area, but the water in Santa Clara County has a VERY high mineral content. As for PC coolant, some great brands to check are PrimoChill, EK-CryoFuel, & Mayhems X1, although liquid cooling system manufacturers, such as ThermalTake, Asetek, & Koolance. Whatever brand you get, if they offer a clear option (as opposed to colored), get it. A lot of PC builders prefer the colored options, as it provides colorful interiors to PC cases...but, since this would be inside an RC vehicle, color wouldn't matter. Besides, clear coolant has always proved to be more efficient than colored (the dye, somehow, makes the coolant slightly less efficient at cooling). Also, most PC coolant is offered in condensed, and premixed...get the premixed. When building computers for people, if they want liquid cooling, one of my primary sources is FrozenCPU.com. Here's the link to their coolant page: www.frozencpu.com/cat/l2/g30/c103/list/p1/Liquid_Cooling-Coolant_Additives.html If you have any questions, just give them a call (877-243-8266), or email them (info@frozencpu.com), as they have great customer service.
Hey buddy you're supposed to use that with a water jacket the radiator supposed to work like a radiator and remove the heat from the water and then the cool water goes into a water jacket around your motor and be much more effective basically once the water starts heating up and way you have it it's just going to blow hot air on the motor
You could use it as you suggest but the diagram shows it exactly as I'm running it (no water jacket in sight but I know the kind of thing you mean. Also when I checked with banggood they also said the way I'd set it up was okay. The instructions make no mention at all of what you describe, you can see on the sheet I hold up to the camera. I do take on what your saying but for the run time I have in mind this does what it does pretty well.
With this setup the radiator just resteicts the fans airflow and would be pushing room temperature air at it because that water isnt gonna stay cold for long
Looks like a nice big fan and should work to cool. I fear adding more stuff to get damaged in bashing but for the Infraction I bet it's a nice trick. Good one.
it would probably be more practical if you had a heat-sync on the motor itself with water flowing through and then relocating the radiator to somewhere with a lot of airflow, that way you'd be pulling heat away from the motor and cooling it efficiently.
Exactly what I was thinking. Like using just a heat sink on the motor without a fan would've kept it cooler. Or using a fan without the water cooling system.
Yea this radiator just restricts airflow from the fan. Even if yoy used ice water in the reservoir, itd only stay cold for a short period of time since the radiator fan setup would be acting as a heater to the loop. Itd then be pushing room temp air at half cfm due to the radiator blocking it
That's not bad, Actually better than I thought it'd be but I'd definitely use a better coolant,You should also get a CPU cooling block and convert the ESC to to liquid cooling(I did it myself to 2 ESC's on a cheap brushless boat conversion) , As for mounting the radiator and fan I'd mount it somewhere it can get cold air from outside the car and I wouldn't have it blowing that heated air back at the motor or ESC your trying to cool- I think it'd look good if you could get another (or as many as will fit) radiator and fan and then mount them both to an oblong frame covered in wire mesh to protect the fans-And then mount that between the roll cage on the pick up bed of the Infraction but you'd have to pipe up the body or do a big cut out of the body... But I reckon it'd look cool (pardon the pun)and you'd have a unique,more reliable infraction... And it'd make a good RUclips vid. :) All the best
Well, far be it from me to disagree with your opinion but, allow me to retort. At some empirical level you might have a point if (for what reason seems to elude me but, whatever....) and only if you're comparing the heat generated by the extra weight while at the same time not taking advantage of the cooling properties of the device (presumably the reason why you mounted this hideous yet functional abortion on the chassis of your vehicle). I guess, if so desired, one could go full retard and measure the delta between the two systems for added academic "value" so you can find out the "true" heat reduction where you've trimmed all the fat and accounted for all the variables but, seriously dude, the only thing that will interest 99.99283% of people who decide to give this a try is the net difference before and after. You watched the video, I'm assuming? Though you're free to hold any opinion you desire, it begs the question as to why you would hold on to a demonstrably wrong opinion moments after having watched the proverbial proof in the pudding that objectively demonstrates the wrongness of your opinion. Which dogma is holding you hostage that prevents you from updating your opinion on a given topic when presented with the evidence showing you to not only be wrong but that you have everything upside down and back to front? The opinion you hold is fractally wrong. Like said, hold whatever opinion you think serves you best. But....I'm just some wanker on the internet. If you were to say something this retarded to a person IRL, you MUST consider the possibility that this person will never ever take your opinion seriously again. Should you discover that people in your orbit are prone to just smiling and nodding whenever you opine on an issue, may I submit that the process was already initiated long, long ago. Godspeed, Diem
You should have grabbed a water motor jacket and plumbed that into the system behind the rad. That, imo. Would be the proper use of a cooling system for an Rc motor. Also, distilled water. And you would want it over the esc. The rad works by absorbing heat. It then gets rid of it by air blowing over the fins of the rad. In essence, you would be blowing hot air into the esc. Very cool idea though. Thanks for the vid
So I'm a little late on this video but I love this little kit but I think it would benefit from an addition of a coil around the motor, or cooling block on esc and use the cooling fan assy as a radiator. Should keep it cooler and allow for longer continuous use. But I really love this video it really helped me in my building of my crawler
Wow haha that's pretty cool. I have always wondered how something like that would work. I'm going to stick with the fans because heat has never been a major issue for me.... not yet. Thanks for the knowledge.
I'm confident this is purely benefitting from the airflow via the fan, the water has nothing to do with this unless it's actually leaking and providing evaporative cooling. If you had a water jacket on the motor, then you should see significant improvements but you'd want to move the radiator away from the motor so you're not blowing hot air onto the motor.
The fans in my arma granite 4x4 dont do much especially when I'm running 3s like my servo overheated and wouldn't work until I let it cool off for a minute thank god for the car knowing what's going on and shutting certain things off to keep them from breaking so I want to figure out how I can cool it off better Yes I'm using a beginner's car but I dont mind as its cheap and is capable of doing some wild things and the virsion I'm currently using is 3s and goes pretty fast for what it is and its hella strong I'm just having issues with overheating
Gearing can help but what i did is got a rc boat water pump and hose kit with the step down modulator and wrapped the hose around the motor cools it well they are on ebay for like 20 bucks
Nice concept of a water coolking setup for rc cars and trucks , but the down fall is , just more weight , and more battery use, so it lowers the run fun time of what the rc hobby is about .
Thanks for the input but I am lost on people saying this thing will run slower with the added weight! It really doesn't weigh a lot, bearing in mind the car's probably 13-14lbs with batteries. Downside is without enough cooling this car can run for as little as 2mins before overheating, that's less fun than fitting another battery. To be fun it needs to remain running
Only matter time i used say y dont they , the larger 4th scale military rc have radiators to be scale good idea lil rv anti freeze but i think idea stay under 212
Hi mate, lol I'm glad you do this so we don't have too lol.. I think this is a bit of over kill to be honest, how much difference does the water cool system compare to a normal fan, that's dirt cheap and don't add loads of other stuff to the car.. £$50 compared to $5-$10, I'd opt for a normal fan over the water cool system all day, they do just of a good job and have done for many many years.. Happy rcing 👍
this weighs next to nothing I think with the batteries in this car weighs the best part of 14lbs, doubt this is 1/2lb extra, indeed high mah batteries would add more weight than this does!
Dont get me wrong its cool. Just seems like a bit of a pain in the ass when a slightly bigger heatsink and a fan will do the job and require basically no maintenance
Nah, water is the best coolant you can use. Antifreeze is a worse coolant than water but they use it in cars because it has a lower freezing point than water. All the drag racers use distilled water
As a PC guy I find this product horrendous and bye fyi "pc coolant" is just distilled water. Also, there is not a block being used to pull the heat away. This is really just the same as adding a regular fan to cool motor.
WTF? Bro that's not how water cooling works. You are missing a water jacket which is what you attach to the motor, the radiator is what is used to dissapate the heat. Yes the way you fitted it can work only because the fan is blowing on the motor, what you need is a water jacket from rc boat motor and include it in the loop before the radiator and fan. You will get far better cooling efficiency if you do it the way I've explained "the proper way" hope this helps
and currently stuck at home under shelter in place! That said new motor has arrived for my twin engined infraction, which runs 2x 8s and two castle xlx escs so we will run again in anger soon as we can
Poor design. Would only work for a minute. There should be a waterblock on the motor to pull the heat away and the fan/radiator blowing heat AWAY. This setup even with ice water would only work for a minute since the radiator would be acting as a heater warming the ice water to room temp. Once the water is warmed the radiator will just block airflow from the fan. So in the longrun (over 1 minute) it would run hotter than just a fan blowing at the motor
@@DriftomaniacsRC yes i do... but having a radiator in between kills airflow and adds no real cooling benefit. Actually would have a negative effect due to the pump and friction heating the water in turn heating the radiator between the fan and motor
@@DriftomaniacsRC this is BASIC watercooling loop information. If the fan is rated at lets say 10cfm. It will now be cut down to about 5cfm because the radiator is restricting it. Unlike a proper watercooling loop, this radiator wouldnt be removing heat from the device you want to cool. It would be removing heat from the water in the reservoir and blowing that heat towards the motor. The ONLY cooling effect you would get is while ice was still in the loop. But the fan would be working hard to heat that water. In about a minute of actually running everything the water would be room temp and now no longer offering any cooling benefit but hurting the fans cooling. And as the pump and friction through the loop heats the water the fan would now be sending warmed air towards the motor. Hence why i said this was a poor design. It needs something to act as a waterblock (a heatsink that will absorb motor heat and have water run through it removing heat) then the radiator aimed away removing heat from the loop. Thats how watercooling works. Different from traditional air cooling
If the water tank was larger. You could fit more ice to prolong the cooling effect. But at that point its not worth the extra weight since itd still only usueful for short races between new ice.
If your plan is to still blow air towards the esc and motor, like all other rc cars. Dont block it with a heatsink unless its touching the motor or esc to remove heat. If you go watercooling, you need a waterblock or it really isnt gonna function well aside from short bursts. If the ice were to stay ice for long. That means the fan isnt doing much to remove cold from the loop to blow at the motor meaning it isnt very functional either (too low powered to do much)
Get Your Very Own Fan Right here - www.banggood.com/custlink/K3vGIMc5QE
The link doesn't work. Can you update?
First, don't use antifreeze coolant. Second, DON'T use water. Water will probably corrode the inside of the radiator, plus it doesn't have the cooling abilities of coolant designed for PC liquid cooling system. PC coolant can be found online from numerous sources.
Robb cheers for that I'd seen one of the homemade ones on youtube and they said they were using PC coolant so I shall flush the water/dry it and try some later this week
@@DriftomaniacsRC While you can use distilled water, in doing so, you also need to add a corrosion inhibitor, such as Dazmode’s “Protector” Additive...but ALWAYS avoid tap water, or standard/drinking bottled water. Minerals in these will eventually cause corrosion in the radiator, not to mention mineral buildup (which will create blockage within the radiator, thus making it useless). I don't know about the water in your area, but the water in Santa Clara County has a VERY high mineral content.
As for PC coolant, some great brands to check are PrimoChill, EK-CryoFuel, & Mayhems X1, although liquid cooling system manufacturers, such as ThermalTake, Asetek, & Koolance. Whatever brand you get, if they offer a clear option (as opposed to colored), get it. A lot of PC builders prefer the colored options, as it provides colorful interiors to PC cases...but, since this would be inside an RC vehicle, color wouldn't matter. Besides, clear coolant has always proved to be more efficient than colored (the dye, somehow, makes the coolant slightly less efficient at cooling). Also, most PC coolant is offered in condensed, and premixed...get the premixed. When building computers for people, if they want liquid cooling, one of my primary sources is FrozenCPU.com. Here's the link to their coolant page:
www.frozencpu.com/cat/l2/g30/c103/list/p1/Liquid_Cooling-Coolant_Additives.html
If you have any questions, just give them a call (877-243-8266), or email them (info@frozencpu.com), as they have great customer service.
Hey buddy you're supposed to use that with a water jacket the radiator supposed to work like a radiator and remove the heat from the water and then the cool water goes into a water jacket around your motor and be much more effective basically once the water starts heating up and way you have it it's just going to blow hot air on the motor
You could use it as you suggest but the diagram shows it exactly as I'm running it (no water jacket in sight but I know the kind of thing you mean. Also when I checked with banggood they also said the way I'd set it up was okay. The instructions make no mention at all of what you describe, you can see on the sheet I hold up to the camera. I do take on what your saying but for the run time I have in mind this does what it does pretty well.
With this setup the radiator just resteicts the fans airflow and would be pushing room temperature air at it because that water isnt gonna stay cold for long
Keeping the motor cool will keep the ESC cool also
I am right in thinking if the motor is kept cooler it runs more efficiently and so draws less current through the esc?
@@DriftomaniacsRC I tend to think so
Looks like a nice big fan and should work to cool. I fear adding more stuff to get damaged in bashing but for the Infraction I bet it's a nice trick. Good one.
it would probably be more practical if you had a heat-sync on the motor itself with water flowing through and then relocating the radiator to somewhere with a lot of airflow, that way you'd be pulling heat away from the motor and cooling it efficiently.
Exactly what I was thinking. Like using just a heat sink on the motor without a fan would've kept it cooler. Or using a fan without the water cooling system.
Yea this radiator just restricts airflow from the fan. Even if yoy used ice water in the reservoir, itd only stay cold for a short period of time since the radiator fan setup would be acting as a heater to the loop. Itd then be pushing room temp air at half cfm due to the radiator blocking it
i think that this kit is intended for that, like a supply your own waterblock kit
That's not bad, Actually better than I thought it'd be but I'd definitely use a better coolant,You should also get a CPU cooling block and convert the ESC to to liquid cooling(I did it myself to 2 ESC's on a cheap brushless boat conversion) , As for mounting the radiator and fan I'd mount it somewhere it can get cold air from outside the car and I wouldn't have it blowing that heated air back at the motor or ESC your trying to cool- I think it'd look good if you could get another (or as many as will fit) radiator and fan and then mount them both to an oblong frame covered in wire mesh to protect the fans-And then mount that between the roll cage on the pick up bed of the Infraction but you'd have to pipe up the body or do a big cut out of the body... But I reckon it'd look cool (pardon the pun)and you'd have a unique,more reliable infraction... And it'd make a good RUclips vid. :) All the best
Interesting idea, but sure does take up some real estate under the hood!
Well that is a fun find! I dont know if I would have the patience for it, haha! Great info with the video to make me think twice.
What about if you put ice in the water resivore
Very cool! Would work well in a road car, I've always wanted to try making a water cooled RC!
All the weight from all that stuff gonna heat up ur electronics a bit faster then it would without all that weight IMO
Not a lot of weight.....
Well, far be it from me to disagree with your opinion but, allow me to retort. At some empirical level you might have a point if (for what reason seems to elude me but, whatever....) and only if you're comparing the heat generated by the extra weight while at the same time not taking advantage of the cooling properties of the device (presumably the reason why you mounted this hideous yet functional abortion on the chassis of your vehicle). I guess, if so desired, one could go full retard and measure the delta between the two systems for added academic "value" so you can find out the "true" heat reduction where you've trimmed all the fat and accounted for all the variables but, seriously dude, the only thing that will interest 99.99283% of people who decide to give this a try is the net difference before and after. You watched the video, I'm assuming? Though you're free to hold any opinion you desire, it begs the question as to why you would hold on to a demonstrably wrong opinion moments after having watched the proverbial proof in the pudding that objectively demonstrates the wrongness of your opinion. Which dogma is holding you hostage that prevents you from updating your opinion on a given topic when presented with the evidence showing you to not only be wrong but that you have everything upside down and back to front? The opinion you hold is fractally wrong. Like said, hold whatever opinion you think serves you best. But....I'm just some wanker on the internet. If you were to say something this retarded to a person IRL, you MUST consider the possibility that this person will never ever take your opinion seriously again. Should you discover that people in your orbit are prone to just smiling and nodding whenever you opine on an issue, may I submit that the process was already initiated long, long ago.
Godspeed,
Diem
It's next to nothing for an infraction, if you were running it on a 1/10 scale brushed or smaller, then it probably wouldn't help too much
You should have grabbed a water motor jacket and plumbed that into the system behind the rad. That, imo. Would be the proper use of a cooling system for an Rc motor. Also, distilled water. And you would want it over the esc. The rad works by absorbing heat. It then gets rid of it by air blowing over the fins of the rad. In essence, you would be blowing hot air into the esc. Very cool idea though. Thanks for the vid
So I'm a little late on this video but I love this little kit but I think it would benefit from an addition of a coil around the motor, or cooling block on esc and use the cooling fan assy as a radiator. Should keep it cooler and allow for longer continuous use. But I really love this video it really helped me in my building of my crawler
Wow haha that's pretty cool. I have always wondered how something like that would work. I'm going to stick with the fans because heat has never been a major issue for me.... not yet. Thanks for the knowledge.
I'm confident this is purely benefitting from the airflow via the fan, the water has nothing to do with this unless it's actually leaking and providing evaporative cooling.
If you had a water jacket on the motor, then you should see significant improvements but you'd want to move the radiator away from the motor so you're not blowing hot air onto the motor.
The fans in my arma granite 4x4 dont do much especially when I'm running 3s like my servo overheated and wouldn't work until I let it cool off for a minute thank god for the car knowing what's going on and shutting certain things off to keep them from breaking so I want to figure out how I can cool it off better
Yes I'm using a beginner's car but I dont mind as its cheap and is capable of doing some wild things and the virsion I'm currently using is 3s and goes pretty fast for what it is and its hella strong I'm just having issues with overheating
Gearing can help but what i did is got a rc boat water pump and hose kit with the step down modulator and wrapped the hose around the motor cools it well they are on ebay for like 20 bucks
Richie your off the charts!
Awesome looks like it worked out perfectly.
wow that's pretty coo,thanks for sharing
That is fucking sweet I love test like this🤘🏼
were can i get this its not avalibe
Having a water jacket on the motor plumbed in after the radiator would be much more efficient
It would be interesting to see if there 8s a difference between that and a normal fan
Nice concept of a water coolking setup for rc cars and trucks , but the down fall is , just more weight , and more battery use, so it lowers the run fun time of what the rc hobby is about .
Thanks for the input but I am lost on people saying this thing will run slower with the added weight! It really doesn't weigh a lot, bearing in mind the car's probably 13-14lbs with batteries. Downside is without enough cooling this car can run for as little as 2mins before overheating, that's less fun than fitting another battery. To be fun it needs to remain running
I'd connect this things pump and reservoir to hot racings full water jacket, and fill it with 50/50 antifreeze water mix.
Nice built but why not take a pc water cooling compact kit, its 36 Euros price today, its for 12 v and you can fit it to your fan connector of the esc
Enjoyed 👍🏻 I always listen and learn 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
nice, this wud b cool 2 have on a reg car, 2 cool the air b4 it goez into the efi cheerz bro!
If you use antifreeze coolant instead of water it won’t boil the water probable will cool better
Only matter time i used say y dont they , the larger 4th scale military rc have radiators to be scale good idea lil rv anti freeze but i think idea stay under 212
Need water javket from a boat
B lue ice for dirtbikes
Hi mate, lol I'm glad you do this so we don't have too lol.. I think this is a bit of over kill to be honest, how much difference does the water cool system compare to a normal fan, that's dirt cheap and don't add loads of other stuff to the car.. £$50 compared to $5-$10, I'd opt for a normal fan over the water cool system all day, they do just of a good job and have done for many many years.. Happy rcing 👍
The idea was to show what it could do in general not just the infraction This is for those situations that need overkill
@@DriftomaniacsRC your pulled off the idea mate.. Have you tried just a fan on the infraction though and then see how much of a difference that makes,
Very cool information on H2O cooling. Would dry ice make the water cooler for a longer period of time? just curious. Nonetheless Great video.
FREEMAN RC GARAGE that’s what I was thinking as well.
some how put some Ice cube chips in the tank so the water would be ice cold I bet that would really cool it down!
I’ve tried it with some crushed ice last night it keeps it so cool you’d think it’d not been on!
@@DriftomaniacsRC Awesome!
@@DriftomaniacsRC what about dried ice? Maybe you can get the motor temps to actually go down while driving ;-)
Would a quick way to cool ur rc motor with ice work? By putting ice on top of the motor so it can cool down much quicker?
yes but ice would melt in seconds on the motor! :-)
Do you still run this Water cool sys?
Seems nice but gotta think about the weights
this weighs next to nothing I think with the batteries in this car weighs the best part of 14lbs, doubt this is 1/2lb extra, indeed high mah batteries would add more weight than this does!
Dont get me wrong its cool. Just seems like a bit of a pain in the ass when a slightly bigger heatsink and a fan will do the job and require basically no maintenance
You think ant-freeze would help the cooling options ?
Nah, water is the best coolant you can use. Antifreeze is a worse coolant than water but they use it in cars because it has a lower freezing point than water. All the drag racers use distilled water
Pretty cool setup. But too much going on under the hood. Def not made for a Basher that’s for sure
Remember how pc cooling evolved with water coolers. .... Next step is a 4k OLED cooler Screen.
As a PC guy I find this product horrendous and bye fyi "pc coolant" is just distilled water. Also, there is not a block being used to pull the heat away. This is really just the same as adding a regular fan to cool motor.
Or even water wetter like race cars
2:50 they use Pls for please in the instructions ha ha ha
Would do much better with a heat sink + fan rather than this convoluted water system. Fun project but not practical.
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Yo... ditch the electric motor mount the pump with a rubber band as a “belt” around pump shaft and driveshaft
WTF? Bro that's not how water cooling works. You are missing a water jacket which is what you attach to the motor, the radiator is what is used to dissapate the heat.
Yes the way you fitted it can work only because the fan is blowing on the motor, what you need is a water jacket from rc boat motor and include it in the loop before the radiator and fan.
You will get far better cooling efficiency if you do it the way I've explained "the proper way" hope this helps
you have a pretty small yard.....and you have the arrma infraction.........WHAT
and currently stuck at home under shelter in place! That said new motor has arrived for my twin engined infraction, which runs 2x 8s and two castle xlx escs so we will run again in anger soon as we can
@@DriftomaniacsRC oooh, ok
I wish I had a yard. Try an apartment patio with sunlight from 4pm to 7pm.
@@tonyzhu8673 i have a genormous yard with a lot of bumps, holes, etc due to my house reconstruction. so i can have a lot of fun there :D
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Poor design. Would only work for a minute. There should be a waterblock on the motor to pull the heat away and the fan/radiator blowing heat AWAY. This setup even with ice water would only work for a minute since the radiator would be acting as a heater warming the ice water to room temp. Once the water is warmed the radiator will just block airflow from the fan. So in the longrun (over 1 minute) it would run hotter than just a fan blowing at the motor
You do tease all rc car fans blow cool air onto the motor or esc don’t you?
@@DriftomaniacsRC yes i do... but having a radiator in between kills airflow and adds no real cooling benefit. Actually would have a negative effect due to the pump and friction heating the water in turn heating the radiator between the fan and motor
@@DriftomaniacsRC this is BASIC watercooling loop information. If the fan is rated at lets say 10cfm. It will now be cut down to about 5cfm because the radiator is restricting it. Unlike a proper watercooling loop, this radiator wouldnt be removing heat from the device you want to cool. It would be removing heat from the water in the reservoir and blowing that heat towards the motor. The ONLY cooling effect you would get is while ice was still in the loop. But the fan would be working hard to heat that water. In about a minute of actually running everything the water would be room temp and now no longer offering any cooling benefit but hurting the fans cooling. And as the pump and friction through the loop heats the water the fan would now be sending warmed air towards the motor. Hence why i said this was a poor design. It needs something to act as a waterblock (a heatsink that will absorb motor heat and have water run through it removing heat) then the radiator aimed away removing heat from the loop. Thats how watercooling works. Different from traditional air cooling
If the water tank was larger. You could fit more ice to prolong the cooling effect. But at that point its not worth the extra weight since itd still only usueful for short races between new ice.
If your plan is to still blow air towards the esc and motor, like all other rc cars. Dont block it with a heatsink unless its touching the motor or esc to remove heat. If you go watercooling, you need a waterblock or it really isnt gonna function well aside from short bursts. If the ice were to stay ice for long. That means the fan isnt doing much to remove cold from the loop to blow at the motor meaning it isnt very functional either (too low powered to do much)
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