I remember when the Rey story hit blogs. I didnt care because during that time Smackdown had a resurgence of some grade A Ruthless Aggression wrestling. Rey and Jericho. did an amazing job revitalizing the Intercontinental championship that doesnt get mentioned often. There was no need to rush with Dolph at that time. Throwing the belt around was what diminished it.
I can understand why Rey refused to drop the belt. WWE sometimes doesn't have respect for their wrestlers or the titles themselves. Rey wanted to tell a story with his feud with Dolph. And WWE tried to ruin that. I respect wrestlers wanting to tell a good story in the ring.
I don’t blame Cena for not wanting to put Swagger over. He claimed that Swagger wasnt ready for the main event scene, and looking back at Jack’s lackluster WHC run, he was right.
Yeah, I agree. Even though Cena was definitely wrong for the Nexus one but for the Jack Swagger one I completely agree, because swagger was not ready. Plus his 2010 WHC run was atrocious and pretty forgettable.
@@mycahjofficial oh yeah, the nexus is a completely different story. He without a doubt shouldnt have buried them. The same cant be said about swagger.
@@mycahjofficial Yeah. You’re right. The Nexus shouldn’t have been run over like that, and Barrett should’ve been not only the first WWE world champion of the 2010 generation of superstars we see today, but the first British born WWE world champion as well. As for Swagger, the man might’ve been a good college wrestler, and might’ve been somewhat okay in the mid card territory later on, but he was nowhere ready for a main event level run at the time.
Yeah, Hogan originally didn't want to drop the WWE title to Ultimate Warrior at WM6, and Undertaker at Survivor Series '91. Hogan may did the job, but he acted like a crybaby after the match, faking a neck injury. Even in WCW, Hogan refused to drop the WCW title to Sting at Starrcade because he doesn't like the way Sting looks, no tan, and no muscles. He may put Sting over, but he sabotaged the match out of his selfish ego who can't take a clean loss.
@@johnnybravado7141 How many times Brock Lesnar went off script and refused to drop a title on air? And if you can name any name any of those times that dominated 11/9/97. Til then Bret is number 1
Even if he was right, this among other incidents proves that Cena did play backstage politics unlike what his fans claim. They always claim that Cena has no control and that only Vince decides what happens.
@BadAssMacmillan cena got the championship over and over in his prime. That doesn't happen unless he uses some backstage power. As it seems to be mostly politics when it comes to the titles. Was he right about swagger? Maybe but they could've tried it out and if swagger sucked. They could've easily given cena the title back.
Yeah, but mistakes were already made. Jwagger shouldn't have won money inthe bank and being put in that place to begin with. IMO if they were still gonna push him, pushing him by defeating Cena would make much more sense as he then would have defeated the top guy in the company. Adding Jericho to this made it more messy and removed focus from the story they actually wanted to tell. Also they would always have had the fallback plan of Cena claiming a rematch after losing the title due to being attacked from behind after a match, which they don't really had after Swagger defeated Jericho.
FACTS: People like Paul Orndorff, Roddy Piper, Rick Rude, Jake Roberts, Big John Studd, Curt Hennig, Lex Luger, and King Kong Bundy could’ve all been champions, or had longer championship reigns if it wasn’t for Hulkamania running wild on everyone in and out of the ring.
@@fungames821 Yep. That’s also the problem with having long term champions. You have to plow through several good, talented, and competent performers in order to make them mega stars.
Fact is he was carrying the company in the 80's and early 90's. Hogan was money and without him the expansion of professional wrestling to it's current point is unlikely. Roberts, Orndorff, Piper, Rude and everyone else you mentioned weren't selling houses by themselves. Hogan was
@@idlehands1864 While that is true, and vince did the right thing by getting Hogan in the WWF from the AWA, it still sucks that we could’ve had all those guys as champion, if it wasn’t for Hulkamania being so popular. They all were simply in the wrong era.
Bret being number 1 just for that one time with Shawn is kind of a stretch (arguments can be made Bret had a point), Bret has dropped the belt numerous times to Yoko, Bob Backlund, Diesel, even Shawn. Bret is arguably one of the most unselfish wrestlers in the business & the fact he gets a bad rap just for this where circumstances were against him is really silly.
Bret may not have been selfish in the ring, but he has serious main character syndrome and was and still is very self centered. He didn't drop the belt to Diesel by the way. He dropped it to Backlund at Survivor Series 94, who dropped it to Diesel a couple days later, who then dropped it back to Hart at Survivor Series 95. He also didn't willingly drop it to Yoko, he was according to his own words, furious when he found that was the plan and threatened to leave the company over it.
@@DragoEpyon With respects to Yoko (RIP Rodney), I think Hart was angry that he had to fight so hard to get to the top (Seven years, at the time) and Yoko comes in with an immediate push into the main event because- size iniit? He actually respected Rodney and his ability at first, but said he got arrogant and didn't keep in shape for wrestling. Then there was the Hogan thing, and then the Luger thing. Vince was always trying to push other guys based on their size and appearance, with often goofy gimmicks, rather than focusing on the product. The guy had been pulling out grade A matches for so long (Bulldog, Piper, Scott Hall, Michaels, Hennig....), only to get shunted aside (in his eyes) every time something shiny came along.
ZERO arguments can be mad that Bret had a point. He was leaving the company. It was the 3rd biggest event of the year. He HAD to drop the title. And it HAD to be against the guy that they had ALREADY planned on Austin beating 5 months later at Wrestlemania. They are not going to undo MONTHS of prep for their #1 show just because Bret is the biggest mark of all time and for some fucked up reason, actually thought he was a REAL champion.
@FUGP72 There was more to it than that. The only reason Bret was leaving is because Vince reneged on a contract, he begged Hart to sign after turning down more money and a lighter schedule at WCW. Bret wanted to stay and Vince, once again, showed that loyalty is a one way street by not keeping his word. Michaels, on the other hand, showed absolutely no respect to Hart after getting put over. It wasn't about character, it was about him being a drug addled, insecure twat. Michaels has been candid about it. Hart definitely took himself too seriously but he did have a lot respect for others and didn't go out of his way to crush others.
I always thought it was more just backstage drama and meddling that Shawn ended up caught in the middle of bc Bret had an attitude with Vince. Whether it was warranted or not is arguable
felt so bad for Lita. she should've been women's champ in 2001 as she was the most over woman that time. she's so kind though because it seems she did not hold any grudge for Chyna and instead had great respect for her.
@@redrick8900 There is no right or wrong. Chyna, as a character, didn't sense losing and Lita's loss didn't hurt her spot in company. Chyna should be the only undisputed women's champ and she remains that til this day.
@@marvelsProtegeWrong. that shows how selfish CHyna was. This is why she cannot be seen as a trailblazer forhte womens division. She took it as a demotion then refused to drop the title when it came time to.
@@SHAKHIR2SuperNo she isn't. It made perfect sense. YOu fued witbh Lita putting her over for the title in the end. That is what a professional does. Chyna was a POS for that.
I agree. Hogan’s popularity at the time was slowly fading, and people were catering to Bret Hart at the time, so I made perfect sense for Hogan to pass the torch, but typical Hulk being the ego maniac that he is refused to do so, because of course.
He didn’t even just refuse to do so. He literally hijacked the damn match, made Yokozuna look weak, and made Bret look stupid…..all just to have one last ego trip in the WWF. It’s a miracle anyone got one over on Hogan really.
How about 10 wrestlers who were FORCED to drop the title due to outside factors? Examples include using backstage politics or allegations of disturbing photos.
The Boss: “You’re gonna drop the belt tonight!” Wrestler: “Nah.” The Boss: “Well I guess my hands are tied. It’s not like I sign your checks, have you under contract, or can sue you or anything.”
@@williamtaylor1112The “creative control” clauses some of the most popular wrestlers had in their contract that let them say yes or no to the script that was being written for them. Kinda like Roman Reign’s contract is now with him only having to for sure work some PLE’s but if they contact him to ask if he’ll show up to a Friday night smackdown he can just say no and management can’t do anything to make him.
Awesome video. 10. Hogan doing something like that I can believe, and what's worse is he took Yokozuna's moment, but Yoko got the title months later. 9. I think that's why so many fans sided with Luna, when she revealed that years ago. 8. Was not aware. 7. Swagger shouldn't have have gotten the title, as bad as it is to say. 6. I can see that to a degree, since its on television, not PPV. 5. Rey made the right call, since it was keeping the IC title relevant. 4. I can actually believe that. 3. Steve Austin was right at that particular moment, and Triple H really got his moment in 2000. 2. HBK was an asshole back then, plain and simple. Ruining the careers of Shane Douglas and Vader, and the icing on the cake, being ordered by Undertaker to lose to Austin at WM 14. 1. I will not voice my opinion.
@@dakotakulha8376 I call BS whoever is digging up the past is clearly trying to fabricate what happened clearly trying illude any ongoing backstage afair with Steph and Hunter at the time that is what broke Chyna and that is also what got her out of the company.I can remember Chyna loving Lita I can also recall her not liking models as wrestlers such as Sable because they couldn't wrestle she didn't want to lose her title to someone like that, she wanted to lose her title to Lita or someone who can prove they can wrestle like Ivory.
@@chriskay1449 Taker warns HBK that if he didn't drop the title to Austin, he will attack him. While the match bet. Austin and HBK takes place, Taker was watching in the locker room and taping his hand. Edit: Undertaker didn't warns HBK about beating the hell out of him if HBK didn't drop the title to Austin at Wrestlemania XIV. But, Taker's hands were already taped and was watching the match at the backstage. My mistake on that part..
@@jettskie1986Not what happened. That is an urban legend. Taker has stated that he never threatened Shawn at all and doesn't recall taping his fists either though he cedes the fist taping could have occurred.
@@chriskay1449 Undertaker confirmed that he will beat HBK if he didn't drop the title to Austin in Wrestlemania XIV. Years after HBK's return to WWE, he asked the Undertaker about it. Undertaker revealed that he didn't have the heart to tell the truth bec. HBK changed for the better.
Regarding Jeff Jarret not dropping the IC title to Chyna, according to him, he was owed dues from house shows that he was not payed yet. And he did not want to drop the title till he got payed his dues back. Once he got payed, he put over Chyna and dropped the title to her.
That's why I never had a problem with what he did. The then-WWF was inattentive and had only itself to blame for getting in a situation where Jarrett had that kind of leverage.
Charlotte Flair, Ric Flair, and HHH should be on the list. Charlotte selfishly refused to lose to Asuka at WM34. She rather dropped the title to Carmella instead of Asuka. Jim Herd forced Ric Flair to drop the WCW title to Lex Luger, but Flair refused because he wanted to drop it to Sting. HHH refused to drop his WWE World heavyweight title to Booker T at WM19, and Goldberg at Summerslam '03. Oh yeah, don't forget Hogan refused to drop his WCW title to Sting at Starrcade '97 because Hogan doesn’t like the way Sting looks, no tan, and not looking buff. Sure Hogan did the job, but he sabotaged the match out of his own selfish ego who couldn't take a clean loss.
@@nintendogamingchannel1007 It has nothing to do with race. Charlotte Flair has an massive ego. She's a selfish jealous, greedy spoiled brat who is Vince McMahon's golden girl. She doesn't know how to do business with others, only herself. She always used her politics to get what she wants, just as ending Asuka's streak, wanting to main-event WM35 along with Ronda and Becky, and wanting to main-event WM again. And Charlotte does not like to a take a clean loss, even taking a pinfall in a triple-threat match. The only reason Charlotte lost clean to Ripley because HHH was booking WM39 Night 1, not Vince McMahon.
Oh yeah Shawn in numerous interviews after his return to the ring spoke about how he was an asshole during the ring and basically turned into the 90s version of Hulk Hogan.
It's always the most popular baby faces It's ironic cos the most devistating heels e.g Undertaker, Jane, Randy and edge r referred to as the nicest @@derrickhaggard
@@Randomaccount9470 edge no he screwed matt on and off TV first of all with lita affair and then despite matt being so over with the crowd and edge being heel refused to put over matt hardy which ultimately soured matt's relationship with wwe, Jeff has stated numerous times the only time he will be accept hall of fame is when both hardy will be inducted into hof together because he knows theres lot of bad blood from both side.
People also forget to mention the fact that Brett has always stated like 1 million times that he initially had no problem losing to Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series 1997 but Shawn being the spoiled little brat that he was at the time made it clear that he was never going to do the same for Bret. so from there, Bret decided he was not gonna put him over after he blatantly disrespected him despite trying to be the bigger man.
If Vince McMahon have made it into triple-threat match between HBK vs Bret Hart vs Undertaker at Survivor Series, Bret wouldn't mind dropping the title to Taker as long HBK doesn't win it, or Bret not taking the pinfall. It could've been diffuse, but Vince probably didn't thought of it. Taker wasn't book for the Survivor Series, and he's still involved in a feud with Bret and HBK.
As much of a big Stone Cold fan I was back then, I think he should’ve drop the title to Triple H at SummerSlam 1999. I think that should’ve been Triple H’s night to shine.
The thing with Luna is that was her lifelong dream, and it was taken from her, so I'd probably kick the 14-year old version of myself, because I didn't see how badly it effected Luna. When you work so hard to obtain your dream, it hurts so much when its taken, so Owen Hart did the right thing by comforting Luna.
Thank you for saying this! It's been known for years. Yet, WWE put Luna in their Legacy Wing and not their main HOF. Only for women like The Bellas, Torrie Wilson and Stacy Keibler who couldn't wrestle are in the main HOF.
Your welcome. Luna is more than deserving of being in the main HoF, and all her loyalty is rewarded with a crappy treatment. Don't quote me on this, but I think that's part of the reason Stephanie McMahon disliked Sable.@@criminalmindsgirl2936
The only reason The Iron Shiek won the belt was because Bob Backlund refused to lose to Hulk Hogan. He said he'd drop it to someone with real wrestling experience, so Shiek won it for a month then lost it to Hogan. So someone else did it to Hogan too. Also, the Jarrett thing was entirely Vince's vault for not paying attention to when people's contracts ended. He did the same thing with Macho Man when Macho was on commentary. Contract ended, Macho didn't come in and Vince didn't know why. Jarrett was just being a business man. Nobody would come to work for free if their contract was up. Vince deserved it.
No he didn't. Backlund didn't want to turn heel because he saw himself as a role model for kids, especially his own daughter. Since you couldn't have a face vs face match in the WWF SOMEONE had to be the heel for Hogan to defeat, that's why it was passed to Sheik first.
I wonder... Did Shieky baby have the title a month? Was he allowed any successful title defenses? Even against jobbers? Or did he win the title one week and lose it the next match date?
@@redrick8900 exactly, i heard he did not want to do it because it was in canada, now hearing he didnt want to do it because hbk said he wont do it for bret, i mean what is the true story?
I hear conflicting reports about the Austin/HHH one. 1. Austin wasn’t 100 percent and they brought in Mick to buffer the match. 2. Venture didn’t want to raise a heel champions hand. 3. What you said.
Looking back on the career of Sable, I can understand why no one liked her. She was egotistical and not good in the ring. Yet she became Women's Champion. But in her defense, many women who were green in the ring were champions after her such as Debra and The Kat. The women's division wasn't taken seriously in the first place. You know that's true when Harvey Wippleman in drag becomes champion. Also, where is Triple H and the reign of terror with the World Heavyweight title?
Charlotte has dropped the Championship more often than any other Women's champion. She even dropped it to Nikki A.S.H when she had her terrible and stupid Superhero gimmick.
@@charlottexroyalty7819Charlotte selfishly refused to drop the title to Asuka at WM34 because Charlotte wanted to end her streak, but she rather drop her title to Carmella.
I don’t think John Cena was selfish in not putting Jack Swagger over. Jack Swagger just didn’t have what it takes to be world championship material and the face of the division at that time, and judging how forgettable his run as World Heavyweight Champion was, Cena had a point.
Even if Swagger turned out to be a failure , Cena had to do the job. Even Orton agreed to drop the title to Jinder Mahal who was equally as bad as Swagger
Even if he was right, this among other incidents proves that Cena did play backstage politics unlike what his fans claim. They always claim that Cena has no control and that only Vince decides what happens.
@br0ken_107 Tbf Reigns can wrestle but WWE wants him to be like Hogan and Cena limited but powerful moves that repeat and the crowd gets hype for. I mean we saw both those wrestlers greater movesets at different times especially Cena during his open US title run. It is more so WWE limiting their own talent for "superhero" theatrics.
@dkoda840 I'm sure Roman can wrestle, he's not one of those guys that can barely pull off a move without botching. But he is painfully mediocre, I think it's pretty telling that every time he gets over it's because he's surrounded by people more talented than him. Like yeah I enjoyed parts of the Bloodline storyline, but I enjoyed it because of Sami and the Usos, not the Roman matches that end the same at every ppv he decides to show up to or the Roman promos where he makes funny faces at the camera.
Chyna wrestling women was "a welcome move"? Fans were "clamoring" for it? No. It was a big downgrade, and it felt like she was being punished. What kind of revisionism is this?
She thought she was being punished. Fans had no problem with it. That is why Chyna is NOT a trailblazer for the women the way she treated them like dirt. She was a true POS of that.
Iirc I read a few different things over the years. It was a way to continue utilizing her while contract expiration/ negotiations coming later that year. It was a way to use her to keep her in storylines that would keep her away from Hhh/steph. They also continued as long as they could to get as much promotion from her playboy issue. I don’t remember if it was JR or Pritchard, but I think one of them mentioned not really having much for her at the time and RTC and later the women’s division was a to try to use her. I didn’t mind Chyna with the women. It was the execution. They developed her into a corner with the injury. I don’t know how they’d develop out of that
@@tamzidmohsinkhan3333 Because of looks. Both have long stated they were inspired because she broke the barbie doll stereotype and that Chyna looked like them. Had nothing to do with actual womens wresting. There isn't one person inspired to wrestle because of her due to how she looked down on female wrestling.
I will defend John cena he make a right choice not to drop the wwe championship on jack swagger , because he not ready , he got no sparks , he not ready to go on the main event plus the crowd don’t want him become the Wwe championship so I will support John cena choice
Well Bret refused to do business. Vince McMahon made a huge mistake to give him a creative control clause on his last 30 days. And HBK should've never said that disrespectful comment that he's not willing to put Bret over. They're all at fault.
@@nwo2coolnot really. Bret is the one with the least amount of fault. If Vince gave Bret creative control, then he should have honored it and they should have found another way to drop the title even if that meant dripping it to a 3rd person.
I think it is not 100% Roman call. They want him to break another record and to do so he must be champion to SummerSlam and i just think Cody just hasn't got enough build to dethrone Roman at Wm40
That maybe true, but unlike others on the list, he’s not keeping the title for himself. All the people he’s beaten are either people on their way to AEW, or are older stars who are established already, or are retiring stars looking to fill out the last matches of their contract. The real Roman reigns is nothing like the narcissistic character he plays, as he does his best to make his opponents to look good, including his own family members.
I’ve been saying this for like the past year now and I don’t care what anybody says it was the perfect time to strike when the iron is hot for Cody to receive his crowning moment but for some idiotic reason they kept the belt on Roman just for stat padding even though he has barely done jacksh!t for the championships this year.
10. Hulk Hogan made the dumbest choice. If I imagined that scenario, he pretty much stated, “That don’t work for me brother.” 9. Did not know that. 8. Can’t really comment on it. 7. This was the time when Super Cena was in full affect. (Although in my opinion he kind of made the right call cause Jake Swagger didn’t really do well as champion.) 6. And now his record reign is broken by Gunther 5. Rey did make a valid point. It wasn’t against dropping it to Dolph, it was more about he just won it and he shouldn’t drop it so soon. 4. Wow 3. Triple H still won the title no matter what. 2. Truly documented about his attitude at the time. (Thankfully, he doesn’t have that anymore.) 1. It’s a mixture of emotions, cause both Bret and Vince had valid points, but at the end of the day, business is business.
Cena not wanting to put over Swagger may have the benefit of hindsight, but at the time it would have been a big deal. RVD beating Cena via MITB had potential going forward but RVD messed up IRL.
Bret was in his right he would have dropped it to anyone but to someone you hate with a passion and basically they were are super heroes back in the day who would want to lose to the villain in your own backyard
Trying to pick how you drop a belt while you're leaving a promotion is completely selfish. Especially coming from a guy who whined when Hogan did it to him.
@@michaelsharp5543 1. Vince signed a deal with Bret he had creative control over his last 30 days so that's on Vince to agree to something he wasn't willing to honor. Bret wasn't unwilling to drop to everyone, just HBK so Vince should have asked him to chose an opponent and let him leave. 2. Vince is the one who reneged on a twenty year deal a year into it and said he couldn't afford Bret. Bret signed a friendly contract to stay with WWF and be a lifer, Vince essentially booted him out the door. The least he could have done was let him leave how he wanted.
@@Kai-ys5dt Hart never had creative control. He had creative input within reason. He couldn't be humiliated or squashed but he was still obligated to drop the belt. "Bret wasn't unwilling to drop to everyone" Sure, just anyone Vince actually wanted him to drop it to. He quit the company. He had no right to dictate who their next champ was.
Shawn Michaels also refused to drop the WWF Championship to Stone Cold Steve Austin at WrestleMania. The Undertaker met with him with his fists taped up and told him something along the lines you better do business or the favor or we're gonna have words when you come through this curtain.
It'd be more interesting if you guys didn't just always mention Hogan. I'm not saying that to defend him at all, but just to shine attention on others - which is ironically the thing you and many others flame him for not doing in the first place.
@@Valkian24 despite how infuriating HHH’s reign of terror was at least he was credible main eventer as for Jeff Jarrett, I can’t say the same about him.
Personally I feel like Moolah should be an honorable mention. Considering she booked her self to keep the title and when she lost it she selfishly made herself get it back by screwing over Wendi
While Hulk Hogan being on this list is no surprise. I think Boring Lame should be on this list as well cause of how he is currently refusing to drop the Universal Title leading him to hold on to it for 2 years.
I do like how some of these are just simply because the intended match would have been in the wrong place and time, and not because of the other wrestler. Respectable
Great video. The sad thing about Chyna is she actually thought she was far too good for the women's division but she was. The Kat and Stacey Keibler could wrestle rings around Chyna. Sable had a good reason for refusing to drop the title to Luna. Luna really hated Sable, for everything she stood for, Sable had a clause in her contract that she couldn't take bumps, which really pissed Luna off.
Sometimes, dropping rhe title is a mistake and i wish more ppl would push back when they are made to lose it too soon or for no reason. For instance, John Cena was absolutely right not to drop it to Swagger. Chyna was right not to drop it either.
The whole cena and jack swagger thing nah cena did the right move not to put the WWE title on jack swagger especially what he did the world championship
Brock Lesner it's debatable if it would've helped his career but Lesner refused to drop the championship to Jinder Mahaal. It could've been the win Mahaal needed to be taken seriously.
I may not like Brock Lesnar, but I honestly agree with him of not wanting to face Jinder Mahal because let’s face it: he never should’ve been WWE champion in the first place because his run was a complete failure.
We’re not going to talk about Moolah hogging the damn Women’s Championship for over a quarter century from 1956-1984? She was one of the *most* selfish wrestlers to ever hold a belt...and greedy too, if by chance someone doesn’t know “moolah” is an old slang term for money.
You got Chyna all wrong. She was more than willing to drop the belt to Lita. Lita said so herself. It was going to be a Trilogy. The second match was to take place at Summer Slam with Chyna going over, but Lita almost winning that time. Then, at Wrestlemania Lita was going to win the belt. Chyna left the company for completely other reasons. Also, fans didn’t want Chyna wrestling the women - we all expected and loved her holding her own with the men
Facts lol Bret will always stay number 1 on this topic while Vince will always be number 1 WWe top villain of all time. 1997 Survivor series put them in the top of those list lol
Bret didn't want to drop the title to shawn because shaswn would not drop the title to Owen. Bret said he would drop the title to Shamrock but Vince said no.
I am sure the fact that Roman Regins does not appear on this list is either an oversight or because no one is willing to talk about it yet. I am sure there will be TONS of stories that come out about this once his reign of terror is over. Like Cody Rhodes......
Bret Hart at Survivor Series.... instead he wanted to drop it on a do-nothing show(free tv) and not when it counted on a big PPV... Vince had to do what he had to do
If you saw James' retrospective on the WWF Championship Tournament or review of the WrestleMania IV event on his WeAreProWrestling channel, he mentions in both that Honky Tonk Man's refusal to drop the IC title on Main Event led to Randy Savage winning the tournament and becoming WWF Champion.
Right. The original plan for the tournament was to have DiBiase win the vacant title over Hulk Hogan (not cleanly, of course) in the championship final match.
Honky, Cena and Rey had legitimate reasons for not wanting to drop their titles, there's a difference between 'being selfish' and 'looking out for your best interests.' And Bret, if you believe him, didn't have an issue with dropping the belt to Shawn, he just didn't want to do it at Survivor Series in Canada.
Torrie Wilson had no issue with Sable during her 2003-4 comeback. Torrie has even said that she wanted to thank her in her HOF speech, but was told not to mention her. They don't want the kiddies (or modern "woke" fans) searching for their feud from SmackDown in '03-'04...
Sable’s antics are why I say she still is the undisputed “Diva” of women’s wrestling. Sunny may have coined the image and career, even had the attitude of a diva. But Sable 100% had the backstage political acumen to keep her image alive as long as she could. She didn’t bump, refused to drop titles and tried to negotiate her contracts with Playboy outside of WWE, still coming back in ‘03 after her infamous lawsuit. Trish, Ronda, Becky, and Charlotte may be trailblazers and wrestling icons for women’s wrestling, but nobody ever had a place in the company like Sable. She’ll never need nor want a Hall of Fame induction because she made a name for herself in the 90’s that went further than wrestling.
Sable was never supposed to drop the belt to Luna. She was supposed to face Luna, with Tori in her corner, at Wrestlemania (not St. Valentine's Day Massacre) but Luna got suspended, hence the last minute match between Tori and Sable. However, Sable was supposed to drop the belt to Ivory after Backlash but she refused to drop it on television and would only agree to drop it at a house show. That caused them to do the controversial title switch with Debra since Debra wasn't seen as a credible wrestler and was popular enough with fans. She then dropped it to Ivory a month later, who was always meant to win it. The Chyna tidbit is inaccurate too. She never refused to drop the title. She was taken off of television and ultimately let go because she found about about Steph/HHH.
Bret Hart's refusal was NOT selfishness. If you know the real story, you know that is a fact. Bret would have simply vacated the title when he left for WCW. Not like it hadn't happened before. The reason Bret did not want to put Shawn over was because Shawn was a world class dickhead.
And the reason they screwed him over is they really could not wait for him to drop the title after Survivor Series. While Bret had weeks left on his contract during which he could drop the title the confidentiality agreement that prevented WCW from publicly announcing his signing expired on the day of SS, this meant they could (and did) announce it on Nitro the following night which started airing 1 hour before RAW. If Vince waited until after SS to take the title off Bret this would have allowed WCW to say they have signed the current WWF champion, this is a bigger deal that undermines WWF more compared to only being able to say a top WWF star or former champion. So in Vince's eyes it was either forcibly take the title of Bret at SS or risk WCW making them look like fools by announcing they have signed their current top champion possibly turning eyes away from them with nothing to really gain, Vince obviously chose to screw Bret over which itself carried a bunch of risks but at least gave them something they could work into their favour and do that they sure did.
@@SevicifyYeah, Bret had creative control for 90 days before his exit. He could have dropped the belt anytime during this period. He chose not to. SS 97 was his last night anyway, when did he plan to drop it?
Bizarre that you have Jarrett here for "refusing" to drop the championship, when he did drop it, exactly as asked. He wasn't under contract, so of course he wanted to be paid for working. According to Jarrett, this didn't break his relationship with Vince at all, and indeed Jarrett was granted stock in the WWE IPO which happened shortly afterwards. Had Vince been mad, this would have been cancelled. WWE's poor relationship with him was much more to do with his walk-out at In Your House 2.
What about Gunther? I swear in his last match against the Miz, the Miz should have won the International Championship. The win by Gunther didn’t look convincing at all
Roman 1000% needs to be put on this list and you can pick any match over the last year and a half. Paul Heyman and Roman both have even stated that they will be the ones who decide when Roman loses the title not any one else.
Triple H was a decent upper card wrestler but compared to Autin, Rock, Mankind and Undertaker he just wasn't as good. That may seem unfair but at the time that was the level fans were use to. A lot of us felt Triple H was over pushed, his promos were long and tedious and only got that position because he was dating Stephanie.
Honestly, Honky NOT losing to Macho Man was the right call. Honky Tonk Man getting the upper hand over Macho Man and attacking Elizabeth is the "cherry on top" that made his intercontinental reign legendary, along with the fact that his reign got extended into a record breaking number of days because he didn't lose to Macho Man. It was the right call and it did NOT hurt Macho Man. Losing to Macho would have hurt Honky AND Macho (if Macho had won back that intercontinental title there is a high chance Vince would have left Macho in that intercontinental championship position and would NOT have given him the world title, which happened only 6 months later). In the end, I feel Honky Tonk Man's decision helped BOTH Honky and Macho Man.
Hogan not putting Sting over clean at Starcade after all that build up. Such a foolish way to wrap up that feud, and it ended up making everybody involved looking stupid.
I can see Charlotte and Ronda being selfish and refusing to drop the title. Rousey dropped it to Liv but that should've been the end of it. She loses the rematch and they should've moved on. There was no reason for Ronda to bury Liv like she did. My first ever wwf ppv was the 3 stages of Hell match with Stone Cold vs. Triple H. One of the best feuds of all time. And in true wrestling fashion 6 years later they became wwf tag team champions.
A Loss to someone who was booked as strong as Ronda Rousey isn't a burial. And Charlotte has put more people over than any other Woman on the roster. Bayley ( she put Bayley over WAAAAY too many times) , Becky, Ronda, Rhea, Sasha, Carmella, and even Nikki ASH was put over by charlotte even though Nikki had the worst gimmick ever beck then and no one wanted to see her as a champion. (Except Vince, because Vince likes stupid gimmicks)
@@charlottexroyalty7819 when Ronda is literally the worse female wrestler of all time. It's absolutely a burial. Liv is/was better than Rousey. Ronda was horrible. There's no hiding how bad she was. Charlotte rarely puts anyone over. It's still shocking she let them book her to lose clean two matches in a row against Iyo. The first obviously being a triple threat match. Which that was her first ever time taking the loss in a triple threat match. Most of them she's either selling on the outside to not eat the pin or she's winning the match. She hasn't put anyone over since Iyo on the SD after summer slam. Her last match against Asuka she lost but it wasn't clean.
@@RojoCube Ronda was bad but not the worst of all time. That title goes to Eva marie or Nia Jax. And my point was that the ronda was basically booked like an absolute unstoopable powerhouse similar to Brock Lesnar and that losing to ronda would not make anyone weak. Also that loss did not hurt Livs popularity at all. I gave you the names of the people Charlotte put over. Name ANY woman in the WWE that has put as many people over as Charlotte has. And even recently. She has lost against Iyo Sky members and Wom Tag team Matches with Shotzi by letting Shotzi get the pin. That is also a way of putting someone over. And of course CHarlotte has to win matches. If charlotte loses every match since her return a victory over her would mean nothing. You can only put people over if beating you seems like a challenge.
@@charlottexroyalty7819 I don't count Eva Marie. And Nia isn't worse than Ronda she's more damagerous in the ring. In a bad way. In some ways though Eva Marie was better than Ronda. She wasn't nearly as bad on the mic as Ronda was And my point was there was no reason to Ronda to win the title back. I guess since wanted Charlotte to win her 16th title against her last year. Despite reports of Vince not being involved. Booking Charlotte to win a title after being gone for 6 months is a very Vince thing to do. And it's like the 4th time Charlotte was booked to win a title after having time off. Whether it was from an injury or with her wedding and time off from that.
It’s not always about “selfishness” sometimes it’s just not the right time or opponent to drop the title and guys gotta protect their gimmick. But yeah sometimes it’s just selfish.
Rey won and dropped the WWE title in the same night. You can't ever put him on a list of selfish wrestlers. Dude was just holding WWE to their word.
exactly my thoughts
Rey is one of the purest souls in wrestling, and Dom appears to be a chip off the old block.
Exactly. Rey don't belong on this list
I mean to be fair it's a selfish thing but selfishness isn't always a horrible thing. Sometimes it's the right thing to do
I remember when the Rey story hit blogs. I didnt care because during that time Smackdown had a resurgence of some grade A Ruthless Aggression wrestling. Rey and Jericho. did an amazing job revitalizing the Intercontinental championship that doesnt get mentioned often. There was no need to rush with Dolph at that time. Throwing the belt around was what diminished it.
I can understand why Rey refused to drop the belt. WWE sometimes doesn't have respect for their wrestlers or the titles themselves. Rey wanted to tell a story with his feud with Dolph. And WWE tried to ruin that. I respect wrestlers wanting to tell a good story in the ring.
I don’t blame Cena for not wanting to put Swagger over. He claimed that Swagger wasnt ready for the main event scene, and looking back at Jack’s lackluster WHC run, he was right.
Yeah, I agree. Even though Cena was definitely wrong for the Nexus one but for the Jack Swagger one I completely agree, because swagger was not ready. Plus his 2010 WHC run was atrocious and pretty forgettable.
@@mycahjofficial oh yeah, the nexus is a completely different story. He without a doubt shouldnt have buried them.
The same cant be said about swagger.
@@mycahjofficial Yeah. You’re right. The Nexus shouldn’t have been run over like that, and Barrett should’ve been not only the first WWE world champion of the 2010 generation of superstars we see today, but the first British born WWE world champion as well. As for Swagger, the man might’ve been a good college wrestler, and might’ve been somewhat okay in the mid card territory later on, but he was nowhere ready for a main event level run at the time.
Exactly
Dude just couldn't talk a mic and he didn't or doesn't have "it", whatever that is
You could honestly just put Hulk Hogan in here 10 times to be honest.
Ironically, he'd love it
Yeah, Hogan originally didn't want to drop the WWE title to Ultimate Warrior at WM6, and Undertaker at Survivor Series '91. Hogan may did the job, but he acted like a crybaby after the match, faking a neck injury. Even in WCW, Hogan refused to drop the WCW title to Sting at Starrcade because he doesn't like the way Sting looks, no tan, and no muscles. He may put Sting over, but he sabotaged the match out of his selfish ego who can't take a clean loss.
Bret Hart
That doesn't work for me brother-HH
@@UnknownRaiderGuy says Hogan burner account
Hulk Hogan , Shawn Michaels & Triple H will easily dominate in this list
As well as Charlotte Flair
Bret Hart tops the list
neither them or bret hart belong on that list. The only one that belongs on that list is Brock Lesnar. Now you shut up.
@@johnnybravado7141 How many times Brock Lesnar went off script and refused to drop a title on air? And if you can name any name any of those times that dominated 11/9/97.
Til then Bret is number 1
@@UnknownRaiderGuyHow ???
Cena was right, Swagger was nowhere near the level he should be beating Cena for the World Championship.
Even if he was right, this among other incidents proves that Cena did play backstage politics unlike what his fans claim. They always claim that Cena has no control and that only Vince decides what happens.
@BadAssMacmillan cena got the championship over and over in his prime. That doesn't happen unless he uses some backstage power.
As it seems to be mostly politics when it comes to the titles.
Was he right about swagger?
Maybe but they could've tried it out and if swagger sucked. They could've easily given cena the title back.
Yeah, but mistakes were already made. Jwagger shouldn't have won money inthe bank and being put in that place to begin with. IMO if they were still gonna push him, pushing him by defeating Cena would make much more sense as he then would have defeated the top guy in the company. Adding Jericho to this made it more messy and removed focus from the story they actually wanted to tell.
Also they would always have had the fallback plan of Cena claiming a rematch after losing the title due to being attacked from behind after a match, which they don't really had after Swagger defeated Jericho.
Hulk Hogan has to be on this list. There are so many stories about Hogan not putting other wrestlers over.
Straight Facts
Did u not watch the video he’s literally number one
@@hectiicmike4736Dude he’s saying it as he was just making a point-
Sorry guys but Bret Hart tops the list
Everyone knows Bret Hart tops it
@@hectiicmike4736 Wrote that before the video started Mr know nothing.
FACTS: People like Paul Orndorff, Roddy Piper, Rick Rude, Jake Roberts, Big John Studd, Curt Hennig, Lex Luger, and King Kong Bundy could’ve all been champions, or had longer championship reigns if it wasn’t for Hulkamania running wild on everyone in and out of the ring.
that's why I feel bad if you were heel in the WWF in the 80s
@@fungames821 Yep. That’s also the problem with having long term champions. You have to plow through several good, talented, and competent performers in order to make them mega stars.
@@fungames821 downside of the wwe Golden era.
Fact is he was carrying the company in the 80's and early 90's. Hogan was money and without him the expansion of professional wrestling to it's current point is unlikely. Roberts, Orndorff, Piper, Rude and everyone else you mentioned weren't selling houses by themselves. Hogan was
@@idlehands1864 While that is true, and vince did the right thing by getting Hogan in the WWF from the AWA, it still sucks that we could’ve had all those guys as champion, if it wasn’t for Hulkamania being so popular. They all were simply in the wrong era.
Bret being number 1 just for that one time with Shawn is kind of a stretch (arguments can be made Bret had a point), Bret has dropped the belt numerous times to Yoko, Bob Backlund, Diesel, even Shawn. Bret is arguably one of the most unselfish wrestlers in the business & the fact he gets a bad rap just for this where circumstances were against him is really silly.
Bret may not have been selfish in the ring, but he has serious main character syndrome and was and still is very self centered. He didn't drop the belt to Diesel by the way. He dropped it to Backlund at Survivor Series 94, who dropped it to Diesel a couple days later, who then dropped it back to Hart at Survivor Series 95. He also didn't willingly drop it to Yoko, he was according to his own words, furious when he found that was the plan and threatened to leave the company over it.
@@DragoEpyon With respects to Yoko (RIP Rodney), I think Hart was angry that he had to fight so hard to get to the top (Seven years, at the time) and Yoko comes in with an immediate push into the main event because- size iniit? He actually respected Rodney and his ability at first, but said he got arrogant and didn't keep in shape for wrestling. Then there was the Hogan thing, and then the Luger thing. Vince was always trying to push other guys based on their size and appearance, with often goofy gimmicks, rather than focusing on the product. The guy had been pulling out grade A matches for so long (Bulldog, Piper, Scott Hall, Michaels, Hennig....), only to get shunted aside (in his eyes) every time something shiny came along.
ZERO arguments can be mad that Bret had a point. He was leaving the company. It was the 3rd biggest event of the year. He HAD to drop the title. And it HAD to be against the guy that they had ALREADY planned on Austin beating 5 months later at Wrestlemania. They are not going to undo MONTHS of prep for their #1 show just because Bret is the biggest mark of all time and for some fucked up reason, actually thought he was a REAL champion.
@FUGP72 There was more to it than that. The only reason Bret was leaving is because Vince reneged on a contract, he begged Hart to sign after turning down more money and a lighter schedule at WCW. Bret wanted to stay and Vince, once again, showed that loyalty is a one way street by not keeping his word. Michaels, on the other hand, showed absolutely no respect to Hart after getting put over. It wasn't about character, it was about him being a drug addled, insecure twat. Michaels has been candid about it. Hart definitely took himself too seriously but he did have a lot respect for others and didn't go out of his way to crush others.
I always thought it was more just backstage drama and meddling that Shawn ended up caught in the middle of bc Bret had an attitude with Vince. Whether it was warranted or not is arguable
Hulk Hogan is the biggest star or biggest example to not want to drop his title. Only whenever he thought it would benefit him
Also known for telling lies for almost million times in his life lol
That's not gonna work for me brother eric: hulk never abuse his control in wcw fans: are you sure about that
"That doesn't work for me, brother." - the hotdog skinned menace AKA Hulk Hogan.
Same with Triple H for a period
@@tamzidmohsinkhan3333 the only liar is you and I want you gone now.
felt so bad for Lita. she should've been women's champ in 2001 as she was the most over woman that time. she's so kind though because it seems she did not hold any grudge for Chyna and instead had great respect for her.
She was right not to drop it to her
@@marvelsProtege What's it like being that wrong? Does your mom check to see if your shirt is on backwards before you leave the house?
@@redrick8900
There is no right or wrong. Chyna, as a character, didn't sense losing and Lita's loss didn't hurt her spot in company. Chyna should be the only undisputed women's champ and she remains that til this day.
@@marvelsProtegeWrong. that shows how selfish CHyna was. This is why she cannot be seen as a trailblazer forhte womens division. She took it as a demotion then refused to drop the title when it came time to.
@@SHAKHIR2SuperNo she isn't. It made perfect sense. YOu fued witbh Lita putting her over for the title in the end. That is what a professional does. Chyna was a POS for that.
Bret Hart is right to be furious on Hulk Hogan refusing to put him over
I agree. Hogan’s popularity at the time was slowly fading, and people were catering to Bret Hart at the time, so I made perfect sense for Hogan to pass the torch, but typical Hulk being the ego maniac that he is refused to do so, because of course.
He didn’t even just refuse to do so. He literally hijacked the damn match, made Yokozuna look weak, and made Bret look stupid…..all just to have one last ego trip in the WWF.
It’s a miracle anyone got one over on Hogan really.
Bret Hart toped the List with Survivor Series
Hogan doesn’t like putting over smaller guys like Bret Hart.
Hogan was right. Hart wasn't in his league and he wasn't world champion material.
How about 10 wrestlers who were FORCED to drop the title due to outside factors? Examples include using backstage politics or allegations of disturbing photos.
or injury back when they actually observed the "title must be defended every 30 days" rule.
@@Atalas5Balor is a good example when he won the universal title against Rollins. Immediately had to vacate the next night.
The Boss: “You’re gonna drop the belt tonight!”
Wrestler: “Nah.”
The Boss: “Well I guess my hands are tied. It’s not like I sign your checks, have you under contract, or can sue you or anything.”
Right how are they just flat I’ll be like no I’m not dropping the title like it’s not your company
@@williamtaylor1112The “creative control” clauses some of the most popular wrestlers had in their contract that let them say yes or no to the script that was being written for them. Kinda like Roman Reign’s contract is now with him only having to for sure work some PLE’s but if they contact him to ask if he’ll show up to a Friday night smackdown he can just say no and management can’t do anything to make him.
Awesome video.
10. Hogan doing something like that I can believe, and what's worse is he took Yokozuna's moment, but Yoko got the title months later.
9. I think that's why so many fans sided with Luna, when she revealed that years ago.
8. Was not aware.
7. Swagger shouldn't have have gotten the title, as bad as it is to say.
6. I can see that to a degree, since its on television, not PPV.
5. Rey made the right call, since it was keeping the IC title relevant.
4. I can actually believe that.
3. Steve Austin was right at that particular moment, and Triple H really got his moment in 2000.
2. HBK was an asshole back then, plain and simple.
Ruining the careers of Shane Douglas and Vader, and the icing on the cake, being ordered by Undertaker to lose to Austin at WM 14.
1. I will not voice my opinion.
Steve austin at 2002 King of the Ringbset in Atlanta Georgia back then refused to put Brick lesnar over he walked out of WWE
Chyna left due to a contract dispute. Not for refusing to drop the title. Jim Ross has said this.
Yes but she refused to give the championship back
@@dakotakulha8376 I call BS whoever is digging up the past is clearly trying to fabricate what happened clearly trying illude any ongoing backstage afair with Steph and Hunter at the time that is what broke Chyna and that is also what got her out of the company.I can remember Chyna loving Lita I can also recall her not liking models as wrestlers such as Sable because they couldn't wrestle she didn't want to lose her title to someone like that, she wanted to lose her title to Lita or someone who can prove they can wrestle like Ivory.
@@deadilydaji Then why didn't she lose the championship to Lita at Judgment Day 2001
She was supposed to get beat by Lita at the next ppv @@dakotakulha8376
@@dakotakulha8376 There were suppose to be two matches. Chyna win the first, Lita win the second.
Don't remember which title it was but Taker had to basically enforce Shawn to drop the title or else it basically wasn't going to be pretty
Wrestlemania XIV. Taker watched the main event with his fists taped up ready to go.
Taker never did that. You are referring to Wrestlemania 14 with Austin.
@@chriskay1449 Taker warns HBK that if he didn't drop the title to Austin, he will attack him. While the match bet. Austin and HBK takes place, Taker was watching in the locker room and taping his hand.
Edit: Undertaker didn't warns HBK about beating the hell out of him if HBK didn't drop the title to Austin at Wrestlemania XIV. But, Taker's hands were already taped and was watching the match at the backstage. My mistake on that part..
@@jettskie1986Not what happened. That is an urban legend. Taker has stated that he never threatened Shawn at all and doesn't recall taping his fists either though he cedes the fist taping could have occurred.
@@chriskay1449 Undertaker confirmed that he will beat HBK if he didn't drop the title to Austin in Wrestlemania XIV. Years after HBK's return to WWE, he asked the Undertaker about it. Undertaker revealed that he didn't have the heart to tell the truth bec. HBK changed for the better.
Regarding Jeff Jarret not dropping the IC title to Chyna, according to him, he was owed dues from house shows that he was not payed yet. And he did not want to drop the title till he got payed his dues back. Once he got payed, he put over Chyna and dropped the title to her.
That's why I never had a problem with what he did. The then-WWF was inattentive and had only itself to blame for getting in a situation where Jarrett had that kind of leverage.
Charlotte Flair, Ric Flair, and HHH should be on the list. Charlotte selfishly refused to lose to Asuka at WM34. She rather dropped the title to Carmella instead of Asuka. Jim Herd forced Ric Flair to drop the WCW title to Lex Luger, but Flair refused because he wanted to drop it to Sting. HHH refused to drop his WWE World heavyweight title to Booker T at WM19, and Goldberg at Summerslam '03. Oh yeah, don't forget Hogan refused to drop his WCW title to Sting at Starrcade '97 because Hogan doesn’t like the way Sting looks, no tan, and not looking buff. Sure Hogan did the job, but he sabotaged the match out of his own selfish ego who couldn't take a clean loss.
nwo2cool
Is it due to Charlotte Flair is an Racist for against losing to Asuka?
@@nintendogamingchannel1007 It has nothing to do with race. Charlotte Flair has an massive ego. She's a selfish jealous, greedy spoiled brat who is Vince McMahon's golden girl. She doesn't know how to do business with others, only herself. She always used her politics to get what she wants, just as ending Asuka's streak, wanting to main-event WM35 along with Ronda and Becky, and wanting to main-event WM again. And Charlotte does not like to a take a clean loss, even taking a pinfall in a triple-threat match. The only reason Charlotte lost clean to Ripley because HHH was booking WM39 Night 1, not Vince McMahon.
@@nwo2cooland on top of all that, her character sucks, and she’s not good on the mic. Just a pain to watch on tv imo
That Flair/Luger situation dated back to Dusty Rhodes' stint as a booker in the pre-Turner days.
Straight Facts
Shawn Michaels was toxic human being in 1990s
Oh yeah Shawn in numerous interviews after his return to the ring spoke about how he was an asshole during the ring and basically turned into the 90s version of Hulk Hogan.
It's always the most popular baby faces
It's ironic cos the most devistating heels e.g Undertaker, Jane, Randy and edge r referred to as the nicest @@derrickhaggard
@@Randomaccount9470 edge no he screwed matt on and off TV first of all with lita affair and then despite matt being so over with the crowd and edge being heel refused to put over matt hardy which ultimately soured matt's relationship with wwe, Jeff has stated numerous times the only time he will be accept hall of fame is when both hardy will be inducted into hof together because he knows theres lot of bad blood from both side.
Bret has stated he would've been more willing to drop the belt in 1997 to Austin, Undertaker or Mick Foley
But WWE fanboys are always attacking him for years & called him crybaby & unprofessional lol
People also forget to mention the fact that Brett has always stated like 1 million times that he initially had no problem losing to Shawn Michaels at Survivor Series 1997 but Shawn being the spoiled little brat that he was at the time made it clear that he was never going to do the same for Bret. so from there, Bret decided he was not gonna put him over after he blatantly disrespected him despite trying to be the bigger man.
@@tamzidmohsinkhan3333you sound like a 🤡
If Vince McMahon have made it into triple-threat match between HBK vs Bret Hart vs Undertaker at Survivor Series, Bret wouldn't mind dropping the title to Taker as long HBK doesn't win it, or Bret not taking the pinfall. It could've been diffuse, but Vince probably didn't thought of it. Taker wasn't book for the Survivor Series, and he's still involved in a feud with Bret and HBK.
Yeah, he's got a million excuses as to why he wasn't acting like a spoiled brat but non of them ad up to reality.
As much of a big Stone Cold fan I was back then, I think he should’ve drop the title to Triple H at SummerSlam 1999. I think that should’ve been Triple H’s night to shine.
The thing with Luna is that was her lifelong dream, and it was taken from her, so I'd probably kick the 14-year old version of myself, because I didn't see how badly it effected Luna.
When you work so hard to obtain your dream, it hurts so much when its taken, so Owen Hart did the right thing by comforting Luna.
Thank you for saying this! It's been known for years. Yet, WWE put Luna in their Legacy Wing and not their main HOF. Only for women like The Bellas, Torrie Wilson and Stacy Keibler who couldn't wrestle are in the main HOF.
Your welcome.
Luna is more than deserving of being in the main HoF, and all her loyalty is rewarded with a crappy treatment.
Don't quote me on this, but I think that's part of the reason Stephanie McMahon disliked Sable.@@criminalmindsgirl2936
For one thing, Sable shouldn’t have been Womens champ. Jacqueline should’ve had a longer reign and then drop the title to Luna.
Sable had no business or right to be on the ring. She’s lucky Vince had a boner for her, she would’ve been a nobody
@@criminalmindsgirl2936that’s not fair. Nikki Bella is a good wrestler
The only reason The Iron Shiek won the belt was because Bob Backlund refused to lose to Hulk Hogan. He said he'd drop it to someone with real wrestling experience, so Shiek won it for a month then lost it to Hogan. So someone else did it to Hogan too.
Also, the Jarrett thing was entirely Vince's vault for not paying attention to when people's contracts ended. He did the same thing with Macho Man when Macho was on commentary. Contract ended, Macho didn't come in and Vince didn't know why. Jarrett was just being a business man. Nobody would come to work for free if their contract was up. Vince deserved it.
No he didn't. Backlund didn't want to turn heel because he saw himself as a role model for kids, especially his own daughter. Since you couldn't have a face vs face match in the WWF SOMEONE had to be the heel for Hogan to defeat, that's why it was passed to Sheik first.
I wonder... Did Shieky baby have the title a month? Was he allowed any successful title defenses? Even against jobbers? Or did he win the title one week and lose it the next match date?
You forgot to mention how the only reason Bret refused to begin with was because Shawn said he'd never do it for him....
You are right
He didn't forget to mention it! He just wanted to be "messy" which is VERY unprofessional, & misleading! That's not unbiased journalism!
Well lots of people "forget to mention" the various lies that egomaniac told as excuses for why he refused to do his job.
@@redrick8900 exactly, i heard he did not want to do it because it was in canada, now hearing he didnt want to do it because hbk said he wont do it for bret, i mean what is the true story?
@@redrick8900 Keep hating, unlike you seem vs mine, I remain unaffected by your comment :)
I hear conflicting reports about the Austin/HHH one.
1. Austin wasn’t 100 percent and they brought in Mick to buffer the match.
2. Venture didn’t want to raise a heel champions hand.
3. What you said.
Triple H was not ready yet
@@lexkanyima2195 at the time he wasn’t, but it all worked out I’d say.
@@johnmcnamara8741 true, it was good timing
we know Hulk hogan & HBK are in this list
Also Triple H aka Big Nose
Looking back on the career of Sable, I can understand why no one liked her. She was egotistical and not good in the ring. Yet she became Women's Champion. But in her defense, many women who were green in the ring were champions after her such as Debra and The Kat. The women's division wasn't taken seriously in the first place. You know that's true when Harvey Wippleman in drag becomes champion. Also, where is Triple H and the reign of terror with the World Heavyweight title?
You mention how the other women were green... dude no one was more green than Sable.
HHH never refused to drop a belt.
@@PJP-DJP except Luna Vachon who was way better female wrestler than any female talents combined including Sable , Chyna etc
What does green mean?
@@micohdeguzmandmd inexperienced
"The consensus of online message boards at the time" - Hahahhahahaah
Roman reigns & Charlotte Flair should also be in this list by not dropping the respective titles
Why should they
Charlotte has dropped the Championship more often than any other Women's champion. She even dropped it to Nikki A.S.H when she had her terrible and stupid Superhero gimmick.
thats cause she wants to break her fathers record and knew they would give it back to her
@@charlottexroyalty7819Charlotte selfishly refused to drop the title to Asuka at WM34 because Charlotte wanted to end her streak, but she rather drop her title to Carmella.
@@charlottexroyalty7819 lol you are just Charlotte fanboy by being denial mode . Calm down . She is female Hogan
I don’t think John Cena was selfish in not putting Jack Swagger over. Jack Swagger just didn’t have what it takes to be world championship material and the face of the division at that time, and judging how forgettable his run as World Heavyweight Champion was, Cena had a point.
Agreed
Facts
It can't be that forgettable if everyone remembers it for being bad
Even if Swagger turned out to be a failure , Cena had to do the job. Even Orton agreed to drop the title to Jinder Mahal who was equally as bad as Swagger
@@brolysupersaiyan1634by that logic Austin should have dropped the title to HHH too and Mahal's reign is far more remembered than Swagger's reign lol
Tbf Cena was 100000% right on not putting swagger over
Agreed ❤
Even if he was right, this among other incidents proves that Cena did play backstage politics unlike what his fans claim. They always claim that Cena has no control and that only Vince decides what happens.
@@BadAssMacmillanHave you not seen his world title reigns after beating Jericho??? Cena has point
Roman should be here. He got himself a contract where he could barely show up and still stay champion as long as he wants.
So basically he's just a newer version of Brock Lesnar then 😂.
@br0ken_107 Tbf Reigns can wrestle but WWE wants him to be like Hogan and Cena limited but powerful moves that repeat and the crowd gets hype for. I mean we saw both those wrestlers greater movesets at different times especially Cena during his open US title run. It is more so WWE limiting their own talent for "superhero" theatrics.
@dkoda840 I'm sure Roman can wrestle, he's not one of those guys that can barely pull off a move without botching. But he is painfully mediocre, I think it's pretty telling that every time he gets over it's because he's surrounded by people more talented than him. Like yeah I enjoyed parts of the Bloodline storyline, but I enjoyed it because of Sami and the Usos, not the Roman matches that end the same at every ppv he decides to show up to or the Roman promos where he makes funny faces at the camera.
That has nothing to do with this list. It's about people who refuse to lost a title.
That's how you do business kid
Chyna wrestling women was "a welcome move"? Fans were "clamoring" for it? No. It was a big downgrade, and it felt like she was being punished. What kind of revisionism is this?
She thought she was being punished. Fans had no problem with it. That is why Chyna is NOT a trailblazer for the women the way she treated them like dirt. She was a true POS of that.
Thats true though . Chyna is still inspiration to todays female talents like Beth Phoenix , Rhea Ripley etc
Iirc I read a few different things over the years. It was a way to continue utilizing her while contract expiration/ negotiations coming later that year. It was a way to use her to keep her in storylines that would keep her away from Hhh/steph. They also continued as long as they could to get as much promotion from her playboy issue.
I don’t remember if it was JR or Pritchard, but I think one of them mentioned not really having much for her at the time and RTC and later the women’s division was a to try to use her.
I didn’t mind Chyna with the women. It was the execution. They developed her into a corner with the injury. I don’t know how they’d develop out of that
@@tamzidmohsinkhan3333 Because of looks. Both have long stated they were inspired because she broke the barbie doll stereotype and that Chyna looked like them. Had nothing to do with actual womens wresting. There isn't one person inspired to wrestle because of her due to how she looked down on female wrestling.
The people who make these videos were likely not even born when the Attitude Era happened.
There's lots of revisionism going on with the IWC
I will defend John cena he make a right choice not to drop the wwe championship on jack swagger , because he not ready , he got no sparks , he not ready to go on the main event plus the crowd don’t want him become the
Wwe championship so I will support John cena choice
Me too man me too
B.S.....Straight B.S....
Bret Hart didn't do no wrong . Vince screwed him & Shawn was POS
People forget how many times HBK forfeit his titles than to put someone over
Well Bret refused to do business. Vince McMahon made a huge mistake to give him a creative control clause on his last 30 days. And HBK should've never said that disrespectful comment that he's not willing to put Bret over. They're all at fault.
Hart fans are so gullible.
@@redrick8900 found Shawn Michaels fanboy
@@nwo2coolnot really. Bret is the one with the least amount of fault. If Vince gave Bret creative control, then he should have honored it and they should have found another way to drop the title even if that meant dripping it to a 3rd person.
Roman Reigns should have accepted Cody Rhodes to be the one to dethrone him earlier this year at WrestleMania.
Lol
I think it is not 100% Roman call. They want him to break another record and to do so he must be champion to SummerSlam and i just think Cody just hasn't got enough build to dethrone Roman at Wm40
That maybe true, but unlike others on the list, he’s not keeping the title for himself. All the people he’s beaten are either people on their way to AEW, or are older stars who are established already, or are retiring stars looking to fill out the last matches of their contract. The real Roman reigns is nothing like the narcissistic character he plays, as he does his best to make his opponents to look good, including his own family members.
I’ve been saying this for like the past year now and I don’t care what anybody says it was the perfect time to strike when the iron is hot for Cody to receive his crowning moment but for some idiotic reason they kept the belt on Roman just for stat padding even though he has barely done jacksh!t for the championships this year.
Straight Facts 100%
I wouldn't mind dropping the title as long as I get a complimentary title to take home.
10. Hulk Hogan made the dumbest choice. If I imagined that scenario, he pretty much stated, “That don’t work for me brother.”
9. Did not know that.
8. Can’t really comment on it.
7. This was the time when Super Cena was in full affect. (Although in my opinion he kind of made the right call cause Jake Swagger didn’t really do well as champion.)
6. And now his record reign is broken by Gunther
5. Rey did make a valid point. It wasn’t against dropping it to Dolph, it was more about he just won it and he shouldn’t drop it so soon.
4. Wow
3. Triple H still won the title no matter what.
2. Truly documented about his attitude at the time. (Thankfully, he doesn’t have that anymore.)
1. It’s a mixture of emotions, cause both Bret and Vince had valid points, but at the end of the day, business is business.
Cena not wanting to put over Swagger may have the benefit of hindsight, but at the time it would have been a big deal. RVD beating Cena via MITB had potential going forward but RVD messed up IRL.
3:16 in this case with Cena and Swagger I think Cena is kinda right cause Swagger wasn't world championship material.
Cena was right for not dropping to Swagger 😂 😂 😂
Weren’t his mic skills like terrible?😭
@@chickenuzumaki1771yes
Bret was in his right he would have dropped it to anyone but to someone you hate with a passion and basically they were are super heroes back in the day who would want to lose to the villain in your own backyard
Bret Hart not putting over Shawn is not selfish. Shawn was a POS, the hell with him.
Trying to pick how you drop a belt while you're leaving a promotion is completely selfish.
Especially coming from a guy who whined when Hogan did it to him.
@@michaelsharp5543 1. Vince signed a deal with Bret he had creative control over his last 30 days so that's on Vince to agree to something he wasn't willing to honor. Bret wasn't unwilling to drop to everyone, just HBK so Vince should have asked him to chose an opponent and let him leave. 2. Vince is the one who reneged on a twenty year deal a year into it and said he couldn't afford Bret. Bret signed a friendly contract to stay with WWF and be a lifer, Vince essentially booted him out the door. The least he could have done was let him leave how he wanted.
And Shawn has forfeited much more than he put over
Great job of defending selfishness.
@@Kai-ys5dt Hart never had creative control. He had creative input within reason. He couldn't be humiliated or squashed but he was still obligated to drop the belt.
"Bret wasn't unwilling to drop to everyone"
Sure, just anyone Vince actually wanted him to drop it to. He quit the company. He had no right to dictate who their next champ was.
John Cena Made The Right Call To Refuse To Drop The Title To Swagger As He was a mid carder at best
Shawn Michaels also refused to drop the WWF Championship to Stone Cold Steve Austin at WrestleMania. The Undertaker met with him with his fists taped up and told him something along the lines you better do business or the favor or we're gonna have words when you come through this curtain.
Excellent video
HBK: first WWF Grand Slam holder, first man to forfeit every one.
It'd be more interesting if you guys didn't just always mention Hogan. I'm not saying that to defend him at all, but just to shine attention on others - which is ironically the thing you and many others flame him for not doing in the first place.
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After Double Js extortion of McMahon, he started his reign of terror in tna, the company he made
Oh yeah, I recall seeing MarkyD's video about that. Makes Triple H's reign of terror look fair by comparison.
@@Valkian24 despite how infuriating HHH’s reign of terror was at least he was credible main eventer as for Jeff Jarrett, I can’t say the same about him.
@@Valkian24 HHH sold for and elevated every rival he had when he was champ.
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Double J did not extort anyone. He simply asked Vince for the money h ewas already due. Not a cent more.
I don't see Austin, Mysterio and Jarrett's actions as selfish.
Really, then you are a clown. Jarrett's is as selfish as they come.
Austin refused to put a bunch of people over.
Jack Swagger was forgettable World Champion
You mean Jake Haeger
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@@RicardoPerez-rz8pu He is known as Jack Swagger in WWE.
Personally I feel like Moolah should be an honorable mention. Considering she booked her self to keep the title and when she lost it she selfishly made herself get it back by screwing over Wendi
While Hulk Hogan being on this list is no surprise. I think Boring Lame should be on this list as well cause of how he is currently refusing to drop the Universal Title leading him to hold on to it for 2 years.
I do like how some of these are just simply because the intended match would have been in the wrong place and time, and not because of the other wrestler. Respectable
At 2:57, I remember wondering what happened to Chyna after Judgement Day 2001. It took me a few years to learn that she left WWE.
Great video. The sad thing about Chyna is she actually thought she was far too good for the women's division but she was. The Kat and Stacey Keibler could wrestle rings around Chyna. Sable had a good reason for refusing to drop the title to Luna. Luna really hated Sable, for everything she stood for, Sable had a clause in her contract that she couldn't take bumps, which really pissed Luna off.
RIP Chyna
Cena was trying to protect the company because Swagger was definitely not it
I love to watch you in the shower and when I’m eating I get all me wrestling information from you keep up the work
I too, would have refused to drop my title to Jack Swagger
Sometimes, dropping rhe title is a mistake and i wish more ppl would push back when they are made to lose it too soon or for no reason. For instance, John Cena was absolutely right not to drop it to Swagger. Chyna was right not to drop it either.
Chyna is the worst offender on the list. LIta was a better wrestler, and probably the best and most over female wrestler in the world.
@@redrick8900 calm down WWE mark & stop whining everywhere
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Never forget about Roman reigns not dropping the title at wrestlemania 39 but he’ll lost the title at wrestlemania 40 against Cody Rhodes.
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Sources? Or you're just sad that Cody didn't 'FiNiSh tHe StOrY."
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The whole cena and jack swagger thing nah cena did the right move not to put the WWE title on jack swagger especially what he did the world championship
Brock Lesner it's debatable if it would've helped his career but Lesner refused to drop the championship to Jinder Mahaal. It could've been the win Mahaal needed to be taken seriously.
Except that Jinder Mahal was a total failure and came across as a weak champion.
I may not like Brock Lesnar, but I honestly agree with him of not wanting to face Jinder Mahal because let’s face it: he never should’ve been WWE champion in the first place because his run was a complete failure.
It was too late to save Jinder’s run.
We’re not going to talk about Moolah hogging the damn Women’s Championship for over a quarter century from 1956-1984? She was one of the *most* selfish wrestlers to ever hold a belt...and greedy too, if by chance someone doesn’t know “moolah” is an old slang term for money.
You got Chyna all wrong. She was more than willing to drop the belt to Lita. Lita said so herself. It was going to be a Trilogy. The second match was to take place at Summer Slam with Chyna going over, but Lita almost winning that time. Then, at Wrestlemania Lita was going to win the belt. Chyna left the company for completely other reasons. Also, fans didn’t want Chyna wrestling the women - we all expected and loved her holding her own with the men
Good to see a jojo reference on the thumbnail
For the record, Bret screwed Bret. 😂😂😂
Facts lol Bret will always stay number 1 on this topic while Vince will always be number 1 WWe top villain of all time. 1997 Survivor series put them in the top of those list lol
Bret didn't want to drop the title to shawn because shaswn would not drop the title to Owen. Bret said he would drop the title to Shamrock but Vince said no.
I am sure the fact that Roman Regins does not appear on this list is either an oversight or because no one is willing to talk about it yet. I am sure there will be TONS of stories that come out about this once his reign of terror is over. Like Cody Rhodes......
Bret Hart at Survivor Series.... instead he wanted to drop it on a do-nothing show(free tv) and not when it counted on a big PPV... Vince had to do what he had to do
Vince was in the right
Hulk Hogan and 90s Shawn Michaels has to be in the top 3.
Triple H also
The fact that Rey refused to lose to dolph TWICE still bugs me this could’ve catapulted dolph in ways we’ll never know
Stone Cold did right thing by not dropping the WWF title to Triple H
no he didn't HHH was 100% ready for the belt and just became better and better Austin was just playing his usual politics
If you saw James' retrospective on the WWF Championship Tournament or review of the WrestleMania IV event on his WeAreProWrestling channel, he mentions in both that Honky Tonk Man's refusal to drop the IC title on Main Event led to Randy Savage winning the tournament and becoming WWF Champion.
Right. The original plan for the tournament was to have DiBiase win the vacant title over Hulk Hogan (not cleanly, of course) in the championship final match.
Honky, Cena and Rey had legitimate reasons for not wanting to drop their titles, there's a difference between 'being selfish' and 'looking out for your best interests.' And Bret, if you believe him, didn't have an issue with dropping the belt to Shawn, he just didn't want to do it at Survivor Series in Canada.
Completely wrong about Chyna. They told her not to bother coming to work.
Hulk Hogan is the king of not putting people over plus you might have a part 2 of this for future reference
that's why I feel bad if you were heel in the WWF in the 80s
@@fungames821It was Vince McMahon's idea.
WHY IS FABULOUS MOOLAH NOT ON THIS LIST???
Torrie Wilson had no issue with Sable during her 2003-4 comeback. Torrie has even said that she wanted to thank her in her HOF speech, but was told not to mention her. They don't want the kiddies (or modern "woke" fans) searching for their feud from SmackDown in '03-'04...
Because they can't just watch it on Peacock?
Cena and Rey weren't selfish. They were right. They had better idea about the fans than the script writers did.
Sable’s antics are why I say she still is the undisputed “Diva” of women’s wrestling.
Sunny may have coined the image and career, even had the attitude of a diva. But Sable 100% had the backstage political acumen to keep her image alive as long as she could.
She didn’t bump, refused to drop titles and tried to negotiate her contracts with Playboy outside of WWE, still coming back in ‘03 after her infamous lawsuit.
Trish, Ronda, Becky, and Charlotte may be trailblazers and wrestling icons for women’s wrestling, but nobody ever had a place in the company like Sable.
She’ll never need nor want a Hall of Fame induction because she made a name for herself in the 90’s that went further than wrestling.
Sable was never supposed to drop the belt to Luna. She was supposed to face Luna, with Tori in her corner, at Wrestlemania (not St. Valentine's Day Massacre) but Luna got suspended, hence the last minute match between Tori and Sable. However, Sable was supposed to drop the belt to Ivory after Backlash but she refused to drop it on television and would only agree to drop it at a house show. That caused them to do the controversial title switch with Debra since Debra wasn't seen as a credible wrestler and was popular enough with fans. She then dropped it to Ivory a month later, who was always meant to win it.
The Chyna tidbit is inaccurate too. She never refused to drop the title. She was taken off of television and ultimately let go because she found about about Steph/HHH.
Bret Hart's refusal was NOT selfishness. If you know the real story, you know that is a fact. Bret would have simply vacated the title when he left for WCW. Not like it hadn't happened before. The reason Bret did not want to put Shawn over was because Shawn was a world class dickhead.
And the reason they screwed him over is they really could not wait for him to drop the title after Survivor Series. While Bret had weeks left on his contract during which he could drop the title the confidentiality agreement that prevented WCW from publicly announcing his signing expired on the day of SS, this meant they could (and did) announce it on Nitro the following night which started airing 1 hour before RAW.
If Vince waited until after SS to take the title off Bret this would have allowed WCW to say they have signed the current WWF champion, this is a bigger deal that undermines WWF more compared to only being able to say a top WWF star or former champion. So in Vince's eyes it was either forcibly take the title of Bret at SS or risk WCW making them look like fools by announcing they have signed their current top champion possibly turning eyes away from them with nothing to really gain, Vince obviously chose to screw Bret over which itself carried a bunch of risks but at least gave them something they could work into their favour and do that they sure did.
@@SevicifyYeah, Bret had creative control for 90 days before his exit.
He could have dropped the belt anytime during this period. He chose not to.
SS 97 was his last night anyway, when did he plan to drop it?
Bizarre that you have Jarrett here for "refusing" to drop the championship, when he did drop it, exactly as asked. He wasn't under contract, so of course he wanted to be paid for working.
According to Jarrett, this didn't break his relationship with Vince at all, and indeed Jarrett was granted stock in the WWE IPO which happened shortly afterwards. Had Vince been mad, this would have been cancelled. WWE's poor relationship with him was much more to do with his walk-out at In Your House 2.
John Cena and Rey Mysterio weren't selfish at all imo, Swagger and Ziggler(at the time) weren't over
What about Gunther? I swear in his last match against the Miz, the Miz should have won the International Championship. The win by Gunther didn’t look convincing at all
HOW isn't Roman on this list?!
Ronda Rousey should be on this list.
That sucks there doing the hogan dropping the belt doesn't work for me brother bs 🤦♂️
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Where's "Sorry" Dominik's entry? He looked like he wouldn't put over any male wrestlers for his title; I'm glad he lost his title ❤🇵🇷
Roman 1000% needs to be put on this list and you can pick any match over the last year and a half. Paul Heyman and Roman both have even stated that they will be the ones who decide when Roman loses the title not any one else.
Smart business kid
Triple H was a decent upper card wrestler but compared to Autin, Rock, Mankind and Undertaker he just wasn't as good. That may seem unfair but at the time that was the level fans were use to. A lot of us felt Triple H was over pushed, his promos were long and tedious and only got that position because he was dating Stephanie.
Honky Tonk Man is the greatest IC Champion
Honestly, Honky NOT losing to Macho Man was the right call. Honky Tonk Man getting the upper hand over Macho Man and attacking Elizabeth is the "cherry on top" that made his intercontinental reign legendary, along with the fact that his reign got extended into a record breaking number of days because he didn't lose to Macho Man. It was the right call and it did NOT hurt Macho Man. Losing to Macho would have hurt Honky AND Macho (if Macho had won back that intercontinental title there is a high chance Vince would have left Macho in that intercontinental championship position and would NOT have given him the world title, which happened only 6 months later). In the end, I feel Honky Tonk Man's decision helped BOTH Honky and Macho Man.
Hogan not putting Sting over clean at Starcade after all that build up. Such a foolish way to wrap up that feud, and it ended up making everybody involved looking stupid.
I can see Charlotte and Ronda being selfish and refusing to drop the title. Rousey dropped it to Liv but that should've been the end of it. She loses the rematch and they should've moved on. There was no reason for Ronda to bury Liv like she did.
My first ever wwf ppv was the 3 stages of Hell match with Stone Cold vs. Triple H. One of the best feuds of all time. And in true wrestling fashion 6 years later they became wwf tag team champions.
A Loss to someone who was booked as strong as Ronda Rousey isn't a burial.
And Charlotte has put more people over than any other Woman on the roster.
Bayley ( she put Bayley over WAAAAY too many times) , Becky, Ronda, Rhea, Sasha, Carmella, and even Nikki ASH was put over by charlotte even though Nikki had the worst gimmick ever beck then and no one wanted to see her as a champion. (Except Vince, because Vince likes stupid gimmicks)
@@charlottexroyalty7819 when Ronda is literally the worse female wrestler of all time. It's absolutely a burial. Liv is/was better than Rousey. Ronda was horrible. There's no hiding how bad she was.
Charlotte rarely puts anyone over. It's still shocking she let them book her to lose clean two matches in a row against Iyo. The first obviously being a triple threat match. Which that was her first ever time taking the loss in a triple threat match. Most of them she's either selling on the outside to not eat the pin or she's winning the match. She hasn't put anyone over since Iyo on the SD after summer slam.
Her last match against Asuka she lost but it wasn't clean.
@@RojoCube Ronda was bad but not the worst of all time. That title goes to Eva marie or Nia Jax. And my point was that the ronda was basically booked like an absolute unstoopable powerhouse similar to Brock Lesnar and that losing to ronda would not make anyone weak. Also that loss did not hurt Livs popularity at all.
I gave you the names of the people Charlotte put over. Name ANY woman in the WWE that has put as many people over as Charlotte has. And even recently. She has lost against Iyo Sky members and Wom Tag team Matches with Shotzi by letting Shotzi get the pin. That is also a way of putting someone over. And of course CHarlotte has to win matches. If charlotte loses every match since her return a victory over her would mean nothing. You can only put people over if beating you seems like a challenge.
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I don't count Eva Marie. And Nia isn't worse than Ronda she's more damagerous in the ring. In a bad way.
In some ways though Eva Marie was better than Ronda. She wasn't nearly as bad on the mic as Ronda was
And my point was there was no reason to Ronda to win the title back. I guess since wanted Charlotte to win her 16th title against her last year. Despite reports of Vince not being involved. Booking Charlotte to win a title after being gone for 6 months is a very Vince thing to do. And it's like the 4th time Charlotte was booked to win a title after having time off. Whether it was from an injury or with her wedding and time off from that.
@@RojoCube What's it like being wrong about everything?
It’s not always about “selfishness” sometimes it’s just not the right time or opponent to drop the title and guys gotta protect their gimmick. But yeah sometimes it’s just selfish.