Can we UNLOCK the Tenere 700's true power? | The T7 Project EP
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Inside the Ténéré 700's little 700, CPS motor lies a monster. A torque filled, grip finding, hill climbing monster and I went and found it. Along the way I ruined it, made it worse and then made it much, much better.
The end result is a Tenere 700 that feels completely unlocked. it's so NICE to ride and that's the big surprise here. it's better in almost every way I can think I'd want to make it better and that's awesome.
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Me, A normal person. Dakar racer, rally competitor, professional rider. Y'know, normal.
I mean, I'm not Pol Tarres 🤣
@@BrakeMagazine not Pol Tarres.....yet!
Yeah, that comment came off quite poorly.
Arrogant, just plain out arrogant!
Dude, you are not a normal rider. You grew up riding, with a dad who is an off-road riding instructor. You've done the Dakar. You are significantly better and more knowledgeable than a normal rider!
Thanks so much for including us on your build! You nailed all the attributes we were after! we appreciate your attention to detail.
Absolute pleasure. Please make sure you check out the final episode in the series. There is a ton of your exhaust sounding incredible. 🙌
@@BrakeMagazine We appreciate you!
That bike is looking awesome!!! and that sound with the new exhaust!!! Big thumbs-up!!!
Nothing absolutely NOTHING wrong with that sound ! Getting that Yoshimura set up for sure .
Really enjoying your work with the T7. After watching episode 1 i have viewed many of your riding tip vids and learned allot. You have a great understanding of setting up of a motorcycle. That Yoshi sounds spectacular. Interesting to see the snorkel still on the air box considering your air filter. Keen to hear more about the added rake with the forks
Just discovered your build of the T700 great sound, with that in the back of head,, it would make you and the beast go anywhere 😉
Whooooo that exhaust sound beats everything :DD
Rode my Tenere 700 today , first time in over 2 months . Ah , much better now . No offroad though that should be soon if all goes as planned . Need to learn offroad skills so finding a class is something I better do if I want to go to where this bike can take me !
Lovely!
Looking forward to next episode.
Soon!
OMG that thing sounds AMAZING!!! 🤩
Just put the full Yoshi system on my T7. Thanks to you I was aware headers may need tweaking. A piece of rough cut 2x4 jammed in between. Sorted. Cheers
Glad I could help. Took me a while to figure it out 😂
Sounds amazing. There are no normal T7 owners. It's just amazing.
🤣🤣
Feel like i could watch this forever👌👌
Thanks Peter!
Great video! Algarve is amazing!
Any thoughts on how well the Yoshimura exhaust would fit up with the Camel high mount option?
I had the full Yoshimura system. I had the spark arrestor baffle in. ECU tune by DynoJet for a decat system. It was just too loud on the highway. I put the stock header back on and re-flashed to a slip on tune. Lost a tiny bit of power but at least i can hear again.
Interesting. Do you use ear plugs? I can see that for sure.
@@BrakeMagazine I like to recommend and use "concert" ear plugs (filters).. they have a canal in the middle to allow sound through. Not as good as regular ear plugs, but also not drowning out the sounds around you or your headset speakers.
Puhoozy
Love this series.
I've been swaying towards getting a tenere 700 over a cb500x. Mostly because they are near the same weight but the Tenere is setup with more power and to be so much more offroad capable.
I want to do some moto-camping trips and some reasonable off-roading.
I also can't find a new CB500X anywhere within my region so that might make the decision for me right there. CB500x gets better fuel economy and range but has less power and needs some decent mods to get it to where the Tenere 700 is off road.
I think you should consider swapping your stock tank for a rally raid tank. That would give you lower center of gravity, which should translate into an even easier bike to flick around. Possible you could also drop the crash bars, saving weight. I don't know if the rally raid tank is like the orange Austrian bikes, where the lower part of the tank act as crash bar but I think it does.
Чем плохи защитные дуги?
При падении хорошо защищают корпус и мотор от поломки.
Great video! What's your opinion on those crash bars? I saw the clip where you dropped the bike. How does the crash bars worked? Any damage to the engine area? Radiator? How about fuel tank and/or plastics? I'm trying to decide what crash bars to install on mine. Thanks in advance!
I really enjoyed this. Thanks.
You're welcome!
Are you going to share some of the suspension set up information? I have the RR system on mine as well and always interested in what other people find that works well.
Yes, I will in future Episodes.
Wow. Thanks man
Well done! Thanks!
Thanks for watching!
Cracked me up that you used Revzilla's Beard Scale. It's something we all know and love!
So is it possible to just place the Rapid bike and leave it on auto? Or it will still require tweaking? The thing is I'm trying to avoid any dynos.
Many thanks for these beautiful videos.
It looks awesome! I really like my t7!
It's great hey!
I have one on mine ;)
Nice work on the bike and sending it hard up that hill at the end..
Would be awesome to know how much more fuel you’re using now you’ve found the sweet spot. Love the sticker kit too.
Thanks Blade! It kinda varies. More tech riding uses more it seems. Somewhere around 35 UK mpg from memory.
@@BrakeMagazine sorry not living in her majesty's or yehaaw unit areas
35 UK mpg that is about 8 L/100km ... is that about right?
Does this mean that the average fuel consumption nearly doubled?
Or does this only apply when (ab)using it hard offroad?
If it would be the general average, it would mean, that the bike would have only about 200km fuel range, which would be pretty harsh for travel ;)
@@MathiasKarlssonErik well since the bike consumes an avg between 4.4 and 5.5 l/100km, depending on how and where you ride it, that means there's an increase of about 50-60%.
It should be less when on-road, because you can use higher gears and not stress the engine as much. You also have more air in the tyres.
I think it's ok, if you don't wanna have it properly tunned.
(I'm not an expert. I'm only using general knowledge of the subject)
Definitely fit that nice exhaust up and under the seat!
Why? 🙂
I am partial to quiet. does the sound baffle make it quieter?
There are exhaust systems for the T7 that keep the slip high; in a safer place than where it is now. Just saying it cause you mention the shared fear of scratching a new exhaust. Amazing videos you do. Keep it up!!!
Or worse, bending/shearing the subframe, nicking the swingarm, smashing the exhaust 🤯
Keeping the muffler high doesn't put it out of harms reach. We chose the mid mount as it fits the lines of the bike better and it allows for panniers. Just FYI :)
@@yoshimuracycling the exhaust in its stock position hits the ground by default if the bike falls. Moving the exhaust to a higher position will improve this issue and there are plenty of lugage systems thay will fit a high exhaust (mosko moto as an example). Not for nothing off road bikes tend to have high exhausts.
@@agus8080 Touché!
Super Nice place to ride. Like your Bike and it sounds great 👌.🇳🇱
Thanks! It is a nice place to ride.
I noticed after the fuel controller the display wasnt working? Is it the fuel controller?
Great series, can’t wait for the next one! You posted in the video your metzeler Karoo extreme for the rear, what tyre are you running up front? I’ve been running a motoz dual venture up front on my T7 and the thing is sketchy AF on rain groves and such. Even with a dampener it wants to buck me above 85mph. Thanks for the content!
Although it is too noisy, try Michelin Tracker. This tyre is very good in wet conditions.
@@ChristosKalfas It is a great tyre but it'd be pretty short live on this bike I think.
Great video and love the series. Though love Yoshi sound I am surprised that you didn't chose to mount high exhaust if you were building rally machine.
I see that's a common mod but the stock hight one didn't bother me 😊
I appreciate all the modifications but the bike performs just fine straight out of the factory.
Love the build series. Does the Power Bronze windscreen get rid of the wind buffeting? The internet forums suggest the different shape of the Power Bronze screen completely removes the turbulence so you just get clean air hitting your helmet, similar to like standing up in stock configuration. Can you confirm this? Thanks
I'm not really convinced either way. It is maybe a bit cleaner but I didn't do a ton of road miles.
Hey mate, how much of a difference did it make to the fuel consumption ? Cheers
Hey Mate, I realy like your Videos and the whole concept how you Film and Edit :) Im not sure but i think to remember that you use the A7C as Main Cam, am i right? how do you carry Your Cam equipment without breaking it?
Thanks! Appreciate that. So I use a Canon R6 to film, with a GoPro and a Mavic Air2S.
I carry them in a Shimoda Explore 40 backpack. It's kinda pricey but it's the best piece of kit I've ever bought. 😊
@@BrakeMagazine thanks a lot for the Answer :) arent You afraid to fall on the bag and the Camera gear? and why do You upload in 1080P when using such a high value Camera? sworry for all tzhe questioning but im really trying to step up my (Video) game and you seem to have solved the Problem im Standing in front of
Greet from Germany :)
That was thoroughly absorbing. Really interesting and informative to see/hear the details about the fitment and subtleties of the Rapid Bike and Yoshi combination.
Thanks for the review. Do you have any hp or other data you can share?
I have no data other than the Data sheet.
"Like me..a normal person" Didn't you race Dakar? That is not 'normal'. Great stuff can't wait for episode 3. Cheers
and coaches dirt riding i think? 😄
And those fueling mods would be equaling suited to the mt07, tracer 7 and xsr700 on the road.
As far as I know the ecu of the cp2 engine can be reflashed, if that's true no piggyback is needed. Better fit all your stuff (exhaust, air filter) first and bring it to a proper tuner, they can do a lot more.
Can't wait for episode 3!
Monday in one week!
Can’t wait Llel - I’m on my second T7 now, such a great bike!
Awsome filming and contents,
How for of of these suspension changes are you from the 2022-23 rally raid?
As a starting point if I was to buy a new tenere.
Would you buy the 21 model and make changes or the new?
Cheers Trevor.
If you watch episode three, the Rally Raid is similar to the KTECH but not as good as replacing the internals with a cartridge l. That's not to say it couldn't be with a revalve but I have no experience of that.
As for which bike, depends on what you wanna do with your bike. What do you wanna do?
How do you get to Portugal- van? Cheers
I would love to hear your thoughts on a 20-25mm lowering of the T7 along with a seat concepts 20-25mm lower seat. There are videos out there about lowering the T7 but they don't have your riding credentials. At 5'4", I can't touch the ground on a T7 off the shelf. Can the T7 be a really good adv bike when lowered an inch?
Absolutely. As long at the balance of the bike is good front to rear it should be fine. I think realistically the best ADV bike is the one you're comfortable riding and a lowered T7 is probably a good shout.
As height it a worry for you, I'd also consider two other things. One, talk to a proper suspension shop in your country about getting the suspension lowered internally so the forks can match the shock. Big improvement.
Secondly, the T7 is a wonderful bike. It is slightly top heavy. This will be better when lower, but I would also consider the Aprilia and the KTM 890. They will be equally good, if not better off road and have lower centre's of gravity and feel more planted. The T& has a very nice low power for off-road, but so does the Aprilia. Either way, you have some great options there and suspension shop will 100% be the best place to advise on the options.
How low in the rev range would you say the Rapid Bike EVO improves the fueling? Does it help off idle and allow you to slowly crawl in technical sections with less clutch work?
Yes. The design of it mean it will work in the closed loop section of the fuelling. This isn't the case with a lot of other piggy back fellers and was the main reason I chose it.
Hello from France :)
Nice project, nice vids ^^
I wait my Mivv Dakar... T7 Rally 2022 (2100 kms)
Enjoy!
I want to install RS-12 Yoshimura full exhaust system and Rapid Bike EVO module. Is it enaugh than to just run adaptive mode or i need to modify module manually. Do i need computer to lunch adaptive mode ?
You do not need to modify it. You may want a computer just to check that it is in auto mode. :)
What do you think about this standard exhaust mount? I recently smashed my scorpion slip on and bend the hanger end plate, so starting fall in to this schizphrenia that lot of T7 owners have about this hanger... And considering high exhaust mount from camel ADV. I would be freaking out now having such expenssive yoshi fitted o_O
I bought the Camel ADV high exhaust system and never looked back: sounds good, looks good and is well out of the way.
What year is the bike..?
great video! Please consider uploading vids with 1440p and 4k options though in future :), your filming deserves to be enjoyed at full quality, without blur!
We're looking at. I have a new computer on the way. Need a bit more cash flow for the HDD space 🤣
@@BrakeMagazine yay! haha yep it's madness how much space 4k footage takes up!
AtB :)
@@BrakeMagazine I'd argue we're not really missing anything with 1080; it means your vids play on any old device even with modest net speeds very easily. I watch on a huge screen and everything looks pretty good to me. Spend the money on bike gear!🤣
how much did you slide the forks through the triple clamps? What changes did you feel?
Till they were flush. Much better balance and stability.
@@BrakeMagazine approx how many cm?
Did the fuel controller eliminate the on off throttle snatch
Mostly. It wasn't perfect but it was a lot better.
How many mm did you lower the forks in the triple clamps?
Flush to the chamfered edge of the gold.
Nice riding , you ride the T7 like a 120kg enduro bike. Have you or will you look at airbox/filter changes?
We changed the filter in the first episode 😊 I can't say I noticed much difference. Also, thanks for the kind words!¹
beast
Does it fix the jerky throttle between off and on?
Not perfectly, but a lot.
Great
Having had a piston melted by a similar (much more reputable) product, caused by a malfunctioning wide band sensor, I wouldn’t recommend tweaking fuel maps.
You're allowed to name and shame. The point of the this one is that you can either auto map it or upload official maps.
That's pretty lean to have that happen though 😩😩
@@BrakeMagazine Probably yes but my goal was to get it to 13.2 AFR but the wideband sensor malfunctioned after some time. I played with rich AFRs, never reaching even 14. The leanest I tested was something like 13.7 for the second (fuel economy) map. The richest 13 so I was thinking I was always on the safe side. Little did I know. PCV and Autotune (single channel) combo on a 2009 990 Adventure R.
P.S. The system was on the bike for more than 5 years.
I was checking for this video on RUclips every single day since you guys put Episode 1. Amazing job! I never heard of Rapid Bike Evo before, now I need to do my research if it is worth over Power Commander. Any thoughts?
Same!!
I think the main difference is the ability inside the closed loop and the auto mapping.
The closed loop is the part where the ECU normally uses the 02 sensor.
This video deserves a like....
What kind of power numbers are you making after these mods?
I don't know for sure. In theory around 80hp.
@@BrakeMagazine 10-4. Any plan to dyno?
I still really want a Tenere 700! D':
On the street, yes,only with street tires.
On off-road,probably no...
4:49 A lot of people don't use windows HAHA
You went where, Portgual? 😜
Good Day Brake - any news on the T7 updates - not seen any new content on this for a while ???
The next two Mondays in a row 🙂
@@BrakeMagazine Good morning - I hope you are well?- Think this message (yamahamotorEurope1) is a scram as been asked for personal information but will not confirm their details of being a Yamaha employee and who they are. I know this is something out of your control but thought you ought to be aware of it - all the best and keep the content going as really enjoy it
@@tonylynn9726 It is a sam. Yamaha nor myself will ever ask for any info on Telegram.
@@BrakeMagazine - thank you - thought so myself - just wanted you guys to know 👍👍
No air filter swap?
Episode One.
By the time everything is added or changed on a T7? It will cost as much as a new 890R would have cost. But still wont have numerous things the 890 has. 90HP will be hard to come by.
I would argue the engine is much more rideable though. The power is strong but also really easy to find grip with. It's a different thing really.
@@BrakeMagazine At 7000 miles on my 890R, Its hard to imagine a smoother torquier easier to ride engine........out on road it goes really well also....the electrical package is really useful for finding traction...its a different thing for sure.....T7 is just more the built to a certain cost thing.
@@bradsanders6954 I like base platform bikes because they draw the most aftermarket support which makes customization almost endless to suit your individual taste/style. I also am not a fan of bikes with lots of tech as I always feel less connected to the bike and what’s going on under it. Rider aids like TC causes you to become dependent and sort of lazy as a rider. These are only my opinions but it’s just an example of why it’s great there are so many great options to choose from in terms of budget, performance and expectations and stock enhancements vs aftermarket. There is always something for everyone out there and each one offers enjoyment. That, I’m sure, is something we all can agree on. ✌️
The exhaust is a really nice product, but didn't fit without bending it... I'd have sent that thing back.
I find it rare that welded products fit perfectly but I'm also not a sender backer of things!
I have the Rapid Bike on multiple bikes and love them, but you are incorrect, they do suck more fuel. That’s the point, you go from too lean (stock setting) to much fatter/ richer, more fuel. On all my bikes running Rapid Bike along with improved exhaust system, air system, decat, I was seeking richer, more fuel air mixture. Your mileage per gallon decreases.
I think you've misunderstood, I completely agree with you.. I manually changed the fulling in the software to see what happened.
The auto setting is much richer as you say, and it worked much better, but you can do what you want and yes it uses more fuel. Quite a bit.
We’re not talking about your speedo not working? 🤔😄
Where's episode three???
On Patreon 🤣 Coming some point soon to RUclips.
Llel.. you are anything but a normal rider.
Kind words.
"a lot of people don't use windows" lol, a lot of children.
WR250r would of smashed that too
Wr250r will smash anything
T7 world rally or Africa twin crf1100 ES
Depends what you’re doing.
a little touring, day to day riding with a few trails here and there.
@@BrakeMagazine
@@gibb013 Probably the world raid. The more you ride long distances, the better the AT is. The more off-road or small roads, the the T7 is better.
Having ridden the T7 and the AT I believe the real Adv bike that dirt performs and can do enormous highway kms or mile is the Africa Twin ADV sports. It's by far the GOTO bike for agility, amazing power, comfort and in all honest a beast of a sound but quiet on the gighway. All mid size bike lake power on the open road.
You mean, all the mid sized bikes with the same power figures as the AT?
If only I had AUD$30,000........
Don't poo poo your skills , you can handle most anything from the looks of it .
Why not just get a flash?
On the ECU? Because it’s able to work in the closed loop section of the fuelling and I don’t believe a flash will perform to the same level. It’ll help but it doesn’t have any kind of control for you the end user either.
@@BrakeMagazine
Nobody watching you channel is gonna have the skill to tune the bike better than someone that has done thousands of them.
That's why you buy one that Auto tunes based on how you ride, where you are and uses the sensors on the bike. You wake up grumpy today or something?
@@BrakeMagazine
“Auto tunes based on how you ride”
That is ridiculous. People are going to waste their money on this snake oil you’re selling them when they’d be better suited sending their ECU into a professional.
I’m not selling snake oil. Fuck man, who pissed in your coffee?*edit* comment extended below.
I think you actually need a proper response here. You’re clearly new to what I do and how I do it and for some reason you’re grumpy about it.
Firstly, this whole series was designed to be more detailed and try the products. I have zero affiliation with the brand that make the ECU. I reviewed it as I see fit. In my opinion and experience I feel it does some unique things. I tried the stock map it comes with which is equivalent to a flash. I tried it alone and with an exhaust system. I mapped it myself in the simple and the complex way and I tried the auto adjust map. You can feel it refuelling over the first few days. It changes quite significantly.
It’s a clever piece of tech that takes the bikes existing Lambda sensor and uses it to measure the air fuel ratio similar to the way a dyno does. Because of that, and the way it connects to the bike the Rapid Bike in theory, is able to work inside the closed loop, the section of the fuelling at low throttle and RPM and have an effect.
A Flash on the ECU is probably a good option if that is available and the tuner has a good rep. When I made this series none were available. This solution also allowed me to fit an exhaust and do nothing, not have another reflash.
Do I think it perfect? No. I think it is a cool solution with some pros and cons. Am I selling it? No. I am not paid or sponsored by them.
In every review we do now, we also declare exactly where the money we earn comes from, what is sponsored, what is given for PR and what so buy or make profit from. It is 100% open.
I am one of the only channels to do this in motorcycles. I do not know why you feel like being.
I am a one person independent RUclipsr trying to make content even vaguely on the level of multi million pound shops and doing it in the most open and transparent way possible. If you don’t like it don’t watch it, but just treat people on the internet like you want to be treated. It might be a keyboard you’re writing on but the people making this stuff are still human.
What happened to just going out for a ride how easy do you want it just watch RUclips if you want it that easy
4:47 MacOs account for only 15,33% vs 73,72% use windows. Your statement is so wrong.
You defiantly not a novice rider hahahaha
"Great" off road bike ? I would agree with "good". No 450 pound bike is "great" off road.
Depends what you’re comparing it too, but I don’t disagree. It’s great for a big bike, shit compared to an enduro bike unless it’s a hill climb.
No dyno results is disappointing.
We can't afford a dyno.
You should turn your abs off in this environment
I unplugged it.
the 701 is better. more HP weighs less.
Mmm, I don't agree. It's better at somethings and worse at others. This is easier to ride in a trials way.
@@BrakeMagazine is it bc it doesn't have the adv plastics and windshield? Can you ,elaborate thanks
I've had both as well, the T7 is better in some areas, the 690/701 is better at others. I agree with Brake, the T7 is better at slow technical stuff. The 690 is better at open field full smash type stuff.
@@MeerkatADV Interesting. I would not have expected that. (I'm a 701 owner). Thanks for the insight.
Is Yamaha paying you? Is Yamaha supporting this channel in any way? It would be nice for you to disclose this.
I do really love these comments. Yamaha don't give me a penny. They let me use their bike and that is it.
I have a video planned about this subject.
@@BrakeMagazine Thanks for disclosing it. I look forward to that video. I question everything. Once I know that I can trust you, I will 100% be your loyal supporter.
If my exhaust is under 130db i dont want it
😂
Over 99% of people use windows. You can’t expect a company to cater to you just because you think you’re special.
Aren’t all windows custom sized? 🤣🤣
@@BrakeMagazine
No
Firstly, I just twigged you were talking about OS's. It's 73% use windows. Secondly, all windows are custom sizes. Does that make my house more special or less?
I don't expect them to, but it'd be nice.
www.checkatrade.com/blog/expert-advice/standard-window-sizes/#:~:text=As%20such%20there%27s%20no%20minimum,of%20light%20needed%20will%20vary.
@@BrakeMagazine
First off, I said 99% of people. Besides, I admit that I exaggerated to make a point. 3/4 of the population uses Windows OS by your own admission. My point still stands.
Secondly, your imrightdotcom article said that you can get custom size windows. You said all windows are custom size. As someone that has worked in the construction trade I can assure you that most windows are not custom sizes. Home Depot alone stocks millions of pre-made windows.
Maybe this is a British thing. Our equivalent of home depot doesn’t sell windows at all. Anyway, me wanting an apple capable version of the software doesn’t mean I think I’m special 😂😂
A lot of people don't use Windows...
Correction: 69% of the people worldwide use it....
You're just a typical Apple user still in denial you've lost the battle😅
That means 31% dont use it. The point is, its mad to not have an option. I'm really bot an apple fan boy 😂
What’s the point of a clutch arm extender? Can I get your email or dm you on ig I got questions ?