Odin II is amazing. I did a video about it and created a killer synth/metal track. Awesome songwriting tool and when programmed correctly sounds quite real. Here is what I came up with: ruclips.net/video/bjguMXMxt1M/видео.html
Come on... Don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to call a disagreement of opinion a "hate wagon"? If you didn't want people to say "I dont like this" why did you even post the video?
Q1.Does it help in songwriting and then transposing it to actual guitar... meaning playing the exact piece ? Q2.can I layer the midi over the actual recorded guitar ? For nice lead tones
As a guitarist and songwriter, I approve. I always use programmed guitars as a sort of placeholder before replacing them with a real guitar later down the road, and it makes writing songs a million times easier and even just as a regular thing for a song I like it. Maybe not a full sounding rock mix but if I'm making a ps2 game-style "rock" song where a midi guitar would fit then it's perfect for that
I can see the point to this. I write my guitar solos in the piano then learn them on guitar for the record. I find writing songs sometimes with just the guitar limiting. So writing on a midi keyboard helps a lot of the times and lets you try things your muscle memory guitar mind may not think of. This is also super helpful when writing on vacation for example and you got is a laptop
This is a great point-- writing on piano really opens up a lot of possibilities that are harder to find on guitar (since the piano is a much more direct match to the western scale and all that).
How to know the notes are close enough and are playable on actual guitar (not streching fingers much).... I have no knowledge about music theory...so it might sound as stupid question
@@manasdas9461 In my experience, chords within the same 1-2 octaves can be played more easily on the guitar. Try exporting your guitar composition's MIDI data and import into a tab editor to see how it translates to a guitar. If it seems unplayable, then transpose the notes that are too hard to reach down an octave and see if it changes the 'feel' of what you wrote too much. Another option, split up what you wrote between two guitars. One could play the lower part of the chord and the other the higher part.
Some other advantages of using Odin or other samplers that I'd like to add: * MIDI editors enable creativity to a much bigger degree that people want to admit. With two clicks you can harmonize your riff on the second guitar and instantly play it back in great quality. Or reverse it, invert it, shift it up or down an octave etc. It really allows thinking outside the box. * Interaction with other instruments: So many people use synths, strings, keys etc. in modern production to reinforce the drums/bass/guitar. Let's say you want to add a synth an octave up to reinforce your riff. If you're not writing in midi you first have to figure out the tempo, all the notes, write it to midi and by then your creative spark can be gone. With MIDI guitars you can just drag it over, go +12 and listen to it then and there. Same goes for programmed bass btw. * As a reference for tracking: The Odin samples are recorded in amazing quality with fresh strings, perfectly in tune and played by a good guitar player. If you write in odin and then replace it with real guitars you already have a great sounding tone and reference to work with instead of having to figure things out as you go.
agreed its a writing tool and anyone who can't open their eyes to the advantages of software like this can stay blind as they choose no harm no foul.. in the mean time ill have used it to write at least a dozen sick riffs that I can save to use later or retrack now with real guitars after my creative spark that was manifested in midi form is laid down.. not mention there are serveral very very super sickkkkk guitarists and composers at the very highest level that use similar software to compose and then go back and learn it/ improvise over it to create tracks that succeed at melting fucking faces off and in some cases elevates the genre of music straight into the future and helps everyone involved up their game in the process. Good music is good music is good music period friends.
Half these negative comments brought to you by people who don’t know they love the sound of sampled drums. For real though, I produce and I’m on the road a lot and don’t always have the luxury to bring my guitar, drums and bass with me. I don’t say I love doing things this way but it’s a great way to get some ideas out without having to mess with tuning, and all the other things that sap your inspiration. Plus, if you write some technical stuff on midi then you HAVE to practice if you ever want to perform it live. Thanks Nick, great video man.
let´s be hones metal-recordings became a genre of electronic music anyway. i love how you will find a band-name on the covers while the credits will say: - contains: drums 25% (thereof 20% cymbals, 5% snare, 75% aroma), guitars 25% (thereof 50% guitars [from guitar-extract], 50% aroma), bass-guitar 25% (30% bass-guitar, 75% sine-wave [from controlled, naturally grown synth]), 25% vocals (2% human, 98% melodyne). May contain sum-compression.
I can see where this might be good for someone who is not a guitarist to convey a guitar part idea but definitely not for use in a final production but there are no rules so I bet someone will
James Akers This, I think these are good because it allows you to make ideas without your band, and then show them when you get a chance to meet up. Use them to make a demo if you dont have a full band, so that you can show them to people with instruments to help get them on boardyour project.
SiREN-DRUMS I am trying to learn bass right now, but it takes time, and while Im learning bass i cant find the timeto learn other instruments. So as a vocalist, having a device that allows me to easily put my ideas into a listenable format, so that I can show them to my guitarist and drummer, is incredibly nice. I dont wanna use it as a shortcut, and at the endof the day any released tracks will always feature as many properly recorded instruments as possible.
Or for someone who's hand got fucked up but they really still want to create their visions but they prefer being alone and not bothering friends to help with their vision. It's me. I'm someone :)
I produced music at home for 7 years before taking a break due to an injury, getting back into it and seeing how far these things have come in just a few years is insane. These guitar plug-ins sound better than my guitar recordings.
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I've been limited to writing trap, dubstep, techno, ect for a few years now. My original passion was writing many different genres of metal. Since 2008 though, my passion became more electronic focused, but I still hold the sound of a guitar close to my heart. With my hand being fucked up, my loner personality, and my old trash set up, bringing any metal elements into my tracks was extremely hard and would end up sounding trash. Now that I got a new setup, this would probably fit in perfectly with creating what I envision while remaining 100% by myself. Can't wait to give it a go.
Big Aodh same here. I grew up on metal just never got a chance to learn instruments. Not everyone gets the opportunity. Eventually i got bored makin electronic music by itself & got virtual guitars. Its about the vision & idea in the end. No matter how much of an “insult” it may be to a “real” guitarist they cant take the idea from you. I wish you the best of luck.
I highly doubt that anyone, who is a guitar player would consider using Odin. IMO it's a great tool to get down ideas quickly and in a more efficient way and even a handy tool for people who don't play guitar, that DOES NOT mean, that musicians become obsolete.
VOCALOID 5. There already are MIDI vocals programs. Vocaloid 5 has thousands of voice banks however there is this thing called UTAU which allows you to not only download other people's own voice libraries but actually making your own. The con is that with 1048201047 voice banks 90% of them are poorly made by amateurs. However, UTAU has some screamo voicebanks that are actually good while VOCALOID does not. There also are programs like Synth V and Alterego. Synth V being better than UTAU, easier to use and in proper english. Alterego being somewhat cool but never really used it myself. If you want to hear how a VOCALOID can sound in a metal envirement check out "Utsu P" on youtube. His latest song called "Hyper Reality Show". It's heavy as fuck but you may cringe at the animu voice. P.s. if your pc can't run Vocaloid 5 or Synth V then don't bother with Vocaloid 4 and UTAU as they are sure light as a hell but programming good vocals in V4 and UTAU is incredibly time consuming. On the flip side you can make your animu waifu sing what more can you ask for in life
Can't believe how close-minded some people are. "It sounds worse than the real thing" well no shit. "Why not just use guitar pro?" well maybe some people prefer programming midi in a DAW instead of inputting tabs. I'm a virtual guitar enthusiast and while I realize they're not as good as the real thing they can definitely produce great results in skillful hands and they're great for people who can't play guitar at all OR want to write more complex music than they can play. I've been using Shreddage and Ample Metal Eclipse for a long time and they're great for what I do. Still, can't wait to see what the future has to offer when these things get better.
I play guitar and for a song I tried to use a fake guitar to get a different texture. It ended up sounding really strange but I fitted the song perfectly. Sometimes making things sound "not real" can give you interesting results.
I have this and their Bass (Loki), even their drums. The sound is incredible. I've played guitar for over 30 years, and bass only a little less than that. OF COURSE, I can record myself playing guitar faster than programming. And yes, I can edit. But, that's not the point (for a guitarist anyway). After I record a live guitar, the only way to try different things (while songwriting) is takes and comps. And it's a tremendous pain in the ass to constantly put down my guitar to try out different things. It's sooo much faster and convenient to use a MIDI guitar, play what I want to play, then just mess with the MIDI and see where inspiration takes me. Heck, I can do that on my laptop anywhere - even if I didn't record the MIDI with a MIDI guitar. And it sounds awesome, so I know when it's time to actually record normal analog guitar - the sound is going to be so much closer to what I created. For example... Maybe instead of muting, I want it more open and try a different chord in the chorus. It's literally drag and drop over strapping the guitar back on, prepping the DAW, and getting the take right - over and over for everything I'd like to test. Now, yes it's an amazing sounding guitar and I LOVE it for songwriting, etc - but, I tried doubling with real guitars to test that out and... Ehh... Doesn't go well together. Playing style has a lot to do with sound and it seems to kill the feel of live playing. So, I wouldn't suggest that route. But completely on its own, with no real guitar to contrast is a good option for non-guitarists or those who can't play anymore because of a disability. Or the song is more important to you than just guitars. I use many different ways of writing songs, so I'll never close the door on added options - that'd just be a weird closed-mindedness. If they had many, many more options with added playing styles/methods/guitarists - then it could become a Superior Drummer for guitarists. I use eDrums to record the MIDI, then use amazing samples (without buying thousands of dollars worth of drum sets and mics) to get the right sound over my very human playing. Works the same here (except there's only one sampled guitar, etc). I highly recommend it. Give up the preconceived notions and actually try it with an open mind. You're a musician - get creative! You WILL find some great use for it - even if someone hasn't thought of it yet.
It's worth noting that if you're not changing the tuning of your guitar (8:50), restringing an Evertune guitar is literally the fastest thing you will ever do
@@SkinnKilla Yes, but he doesn't call out the distinction. Someone could misread the statement and assume that Evertunes are just a PITA in all cases and given that few people have first-hand experience, I've seen a lot of this online.
That's actually pretty bad ass! I'm a pretty good guitar player and I can still see how this would be a very useful tool for me in recording. I'm using Eurobass II and EZDrummer2 in my mixes and you would never know unless I told you. No one ever does know..
I 100% disagree with using sampled guitars. They do not inspire or make you more creative. I have tried and worked with a LOT of sampled instruments as a proffesional composer. 10 years ago I decided to only play guitar parts on real instruments, and its such a different flow and a creative experience. I can do a complete guitar mix in a few hours, writing and recording all the parts, and it’s soo much more fun than point and click. Problem with sampled guitars is also that they all sound the same, there’s no possibility to experiment with tone, pick ups, strings, fingering, and all the other playing techniques. A rock or metal producer should really know how to play a few instruments to be able to record and produce them properly.
You know what I love about Midi guitar? I use it for when I write video game music. When it comes to writing music for video games, robotic perfection is almost completely necessary for the majority of projects. For the longest time I've been limited on what I can accomplish for more metal style tracks (for boss battles) because I don't always have time to track guitar, now I dont have to. I have great quality guitar and I feel pretty limitless on what I can accomplish now. People in bands get short sighted and not recognize the sheer utility.
ive noticed ppl that dont like fake guitars is not because its cheating....its just because the style of music they make is far from metal core or any type of metal. Its easier to emulate a metal tone than a country telecaster line, a Gibson SG foo figther style tone or a pure clean Stratocaster part. Thats where a lot of virtual guitar plugins fail miserably. The only ive found that can emulate a variety of tones like that Is Music Lab. Thats what I use and 80% of the time ppl cant really tell if its a fake guitar ...the other 20% are guitar players who are really familiar with how a real guitar reacts to dynamics, pulls, slides and even when going thru an amp. But yes like you said ...they are a great option for song writing and producing even if they get replaced by a real guitar later on the process.
This is amazing, especially if you're too tired to play well and feel like putting an idea down or having problems with gear at the moment. Thanks for the sharing!
I'm a 17 year old who's been wanting to get into pop punk but I'm mainly a vocalist with a little skill in guitar. I'm independent too so having this, as well as their other plugins has honestly completely changed things for me it's insane. I agree it's good for just getting ideas down quicker but I'd also say that these guitars are good enough to go on their own without recording them for real.
it all comes down on how well you can program midi notes. polyphonic instruments are always much harder to get right imho, that's why bass vsti are widely accepted by now.
This is nice A lot of the times I have good ideas and when I play it I can't get it right. This will help me write the riffs in my head and then learn them from this
Odin 2 tucked behind my real guitars. Sounds bloody awesome. I’ve been a producer for nearly 30 years, take the stick from up your arse lads, if it sounds good it is good.
Question for any experienced users on Odin... not sure if its covered here, but how do you program pinch harmonics? Is there a particular way? Sorry for noob question, drummer here
Now I'd like to tell you my story . I love heavy music and I wanted to create it . The thing is I started doing it on vsts . And the only problem that good vst guitars have is chord strumming . There's no any other problem that can't be solved . You can do basically everything with automation and keyswitches . Mixing also can solve a lot of different problems . Vst guitars are also used in editing DIs of a real guitar and it's amazing , but the chord strumming is just awful and you can use guitar like odin and shreddage and any other best ones only for kind of rhythm parts , but not strumming . I bought the actual guitar in June and I'm so glad that I understood how the guitar works even before I bought it , because I came to know about some tips and tricks with vst . And I hope that some vst guitar in future will be able to do a closely to real strumming , but I still doubt . The vst guitars are needed to write down the thing you hear in your head , but you don't have a real guitar near you or if you're not a good player yet , but created something on a guitar . So there's no need to hate those vsts in general . I hate them only for chord strumming and a lack of samples with the bad programmed engine , cause samples repeat .
Moreover. If you hava a real guitar, you can use a Midi pickup and Odin to layer sounds and double your tone. So you have two guitars playing with one (the original sound of your real guitar and the sound of the virtual one).
@@musicdude1540 I mean if you get the FTP connect or even Jam Origin, it tracks really well and you can play both the real guitar sound and the sound of the fake one at the same time. If you buy just another guitar, then you'd need another person to play it and then you'd get a completely different result, since then it would sound like two guitars playing, due to the natural swing and inconsistencies that happen when people play together. I was on about how you can get two sounds to be layered into the sound of one guitar, to make it a completely new sound, in a similar vein that some drummers use triggers (for example a sub bass trigger on the bass drums to give them thicker low end blended with the kicks natural punch). Either that or to "clear up" you guitar tone by having a stupid amount of gain on your real guitar, and then a clean instance of Odin layered with it, which will give it more clarity and define the note.
Cool for writing/demoing (although I prefer to actually play, get the feeling, check if it's actually playable and learn my own song). If it ends up replacing real performances, it's a big no no. I mean, wasn't autotune meant to be a "creative tool" initially?
Comparing Guitar Pro sounds to The Odin hahaha... you may as well compare a Ferrari Enzo to an electric scooter. Two entirely different beasts with different functions and different user base's.
How can programming guitars on piano MIDI be faster and more creative than real guitar that all guitarists are more used to use? Does not really make sense to me as it's easier to come up with a riff just by jamming than thinking how to program what etc. Cheers
Just something to try! We aren't suggesting that you should or shouldn't work this way-- just showing one option that a lot of people haven't ever really considered.
Thats basically what composers do. Theyll write songs without needing to touch an instrument. I've written some pretty cool riffs by just tabbed out what I hear in my head. Both composing in your mind vs writing through jamming have their advantages. Plus transcribing a riff keeps you from forgetting and documents your song so other members can learn the song/riff on their own.
I write on my guitar but always tab stuff into guitar pro so I can hear it in the full band setting. I've been doing this for 15 years anyway lol this just makes it sound better
I’m not hating it at all, the plugin is amazing but the only reasonable option for me is to use it in the same way as Anup does it. He can’t play so he samples guitars and use it as real. Anyway you do you 😉. Love ❤️
"Realism equals creativity" said a man about virtual guitar instrument. Well i can one up this by doing one crazy thing, that is grabbing my guitar and start playing. There's some realism right there :)
I think the issue is that even though it is higher quality than stuff like GP guitar sound, it is only truly ‘much better’ in the short term. The settings with which you play determine the sound 100% - it is a purely deterministic MIDI instrument, as all MIDI instruments are. There is only so much variation you’ll get from subtly randomising parameters. After a while of using it you will run into the issue of everything sounding the same, so you won’t really have much advantage over GP really. The beauty of picking up a real guitar in songwriting is that every time you play, you get a truly different sound. Sure, there is only so much you can do with 1 guitar, but if on the ‘variation possibilities’ scale GP is 1, then this is about 10, and real guitar is 1000.
yes i have tried this. i don´t understand why but the band was somehow not amused that i replaced 3 of 4 people with programmed stuff. i really don´t know why...
Has any one thought that this would be good for Industrial Metal/Industrial or Electronic Rock where the guitars are normally super edited and robotic sounding.
I'm in the exact same boat my friend. I'm already scared to turn my monitors on past a certain point and no matter how much you "treat" a room they are going to hear you. Using a VST like this also allows me to save on the endless gear I'd need if were going the "normal" route (space is also a concern).
I'm a bad guitarist... I played for 12yrs, took a 17yr break an don't have hours a day to practice or jam. I am however into writing and recording and find the creative process to be very enjoyable. Does it make it "better" if I call myself a "Producer" or "Songwriter" rather than a "guitarist"? lol
More tutorials on how to program these kind of sounds would be great from a non-guitar/bass player. Also, some protect downloads to study the midi would be usefull.
Hi, I never used a guitar simulator VST, so I have a question: can you make a "clean" guitar riff with this plugin (I mean not this heavy metal sound)? Is the output sound only depending of the guitar amp vst and/or the pedal vst?
Anand4mine i never used the odin but most virtual guitars are dry with just the clean sound so in order to sound heavy youd need to use an amp simulator(guitar fx vsts). Id look around at diff guitar vsts & find one you like :)
I wanted to like this... But maybe if you'd have covered more on MIDI articulations to save time from "Strum" layouts and manual key switches or some kind of Logical Editor function to do up & down strokes for a smoother process.... something which saves us time and effort so that we can move on, perhaps more people would have liked. Some people may hate virtual guitars... it doesn't bother me. I only dislike coming to a video to learn something new, only to find out that someone is discussing the "existence" and "usecases" why VSTs (even specific instruments) exist. They ALL basically exist for the same reasons.
It is SO much faster as a guitarist. Literally all it takes is one guitar and ANY FREE plugin. Also it is worth noting that MIDI notes often do not translate well on a fretboard, let alone using -let ring- or vibrato/legato stuff, that's why people use GP. To be honest, if you have the luxury of using a DAW (reaper is free), an instrument and an amp simulator (free amp sims everywhere) I can't see why you would take 45 minutes to write articulations on something you are going to record again very soon. It takes 10 minutes at best to record what you wrote in 45. You don't even see score notations as in GP, so why not recording it yourself, and then edit? It makes absolutely NO SENSE. This is if you are a guitarist. If you play any other instrument then it's really cool, because you can translate your ideas to something a bit more realistic than a GP sample and figure out if it sounds as you want it. However, everybody is free to do as it please him, so this is totally not an issue for me. What I find truly disgusting is to hear "if you can't play the instrument well enough in a recording isituation, then just jump on the MIDI machine" in a freaking MUSIC EDUCATIONAL CHANNEL. The least you could do is to teach how to get around the problem by editing the guitar. It is bad both as a musician and as a recording engineer. This is garbage. Also calling everyone a "hater" just because they disagree is immature at best.
@@LeDemiChef I don't think you actually understood the video. The point is to use it as a writing tool. For example let's say you are the drummer of the band, and not great at guitar... might be easier to write this way.
@@lunarhaze105 I know but if you are not earning money from it I can see it being used for songwriting. Although as someone who only uses licensed software I agree people should purchase the software they are using anyway.
I don't think the GP was significantly worse. Definitely hurt my ears less. Perfectly fine for songwriting. I've never actually heard GP sound so good.
@3:00 - Absolutely. To me there is something nostalgic about the GP Wavetable sound. The tab for Dimensions Intertwine by Decrepit Birth sounds awesome on Guitar Pro. It's all comes down to how much attention you are willing to pay to anything you do. Some tabs sound like shit because they are too basic. Other tracks sound awesome because of the detail put into it by the transcriber. All I can say to this video is that I'm already tired of guessing whether or not a drum performance is recorded or programmed on modern metal tracks. Now that I have to discern between real and fake guitars I'm probably just going to bid modern production adieu and dive back into the underground releases where the performances are still real and the atmosphere is legit. If Grunge was the devolution of the over the top metal and rock scenes of the 80's, I can't wait to hear the next "protest" against overproduction and faked performances. Think of it this way; you'll never be able to beat the accuracy and perfect execution of a computer when it comes to music. A fully programmed album ensures your live show will always be technically worse than your albums when it comes to performance. Why would you want to subject yourself to that? I know for a fact that I never want to play my music live unless I can recreate the album or better. Wouldn't you want the same? Anyway, the creative and workflow uses for this are great. I just hope people don't make a conscious effort to fake their albums anymore. It's lame, but that's just my opinion.
You can humanize and purposefully mess up parts to sound human. Also this is not a thing for bands to be lazy and not bother recording guitars. Rather a TOOL. Say someome like myself, a vocalist, wants to bang together some tracks for my band when i see them. I can't play guitar so i would have had to get someone to play parts for me or use crap sounding ones. With this i can make a track knowing how it would sound on a guitar, and thus being able to tell if it's good or not. There is also the fact I can play this on keyboard and make riffs on a keyboard. The primary use for Virtual guitars though is to make good demos and so when you get a band together at some point they can play, on real instruments, the songs youve written, meaning your final album will be real instruments. With this everyone can make riffs and give ideas, rather than have to wait for the guitarist. Also this can have a use in live playing as well - keyboardists can get guitar sounds with this and cover guitar parts and guiarists can use a midi pickup to layer their sounds combining the sound of the virtual guitar with the sound of their real guitar. Two guitars being played by one cool cat \m/. Just like Steve Harris uses his midi pickup on his bass to layer his bass sound with the sound of a synth bass. Honestly I don't know where I would be without this... Probably trying to put distortion on a piano and make it sound like a guitar, or sifting through all the douchebags in my school trying to buddy up with a guitarist who can shred decently and dosen't hate metal... All the guitarists in my school play Indie/Pop.
I know a lot of bands that write with GP, so what’s the difference between that and writing like this lmao. Again it’s a great application for writing and not necessarily final production. I love it, way more inspiring than GP in my opinion. Great video.
Some people actually like the Chango super robotic sound. I'd say it's way more efficient to program everything instead of recording a guitar and then editing the crap out of it to sound robotic lmao.
Though this is a cool tool, to me it would take longer to program than to grab a guitar and do some scratch takes. But I get it, there's a market for this.
How do I know if what I wrote is good? A good song is a good song regardless of whether it's played in guitar pro or through some midi plugin. I understand it being used for writing and demoing but I probably wouldn't ever use such a thing for an actual release. I don't like the example you used of like a tremolo picked part that no one can play. Maybe write something else? Or like go home and practice it? If you play guitar, there's no reason to have fake guitar in a real recording. :P
if the vst plugin is using variation, than you can print this to audio to "bake" the variations in, otherwise each time you hit the play button in your DAW you get a different variation. this is especially good for working with midi drum plugins and you are layering differnet samples on top of it. is it necessary always? not really but sometimes it can be usefull, also you will save resources in your project if you print to audio
Odin 2 goes way lower than shreddage 3, but other than that I'm not sure. Would be nice to see a comparison. There's not many reviews on Odin 2 or Shreddage Jupiter which seems like their current best sounding and lowest tuned guitar.
I disagree. If I had the skill and the finances I would record real violins and grand pianos instead of working with VSTs (because of the feeling). IMO VSTs like this are very handy tools for either people who want to mess around and get creative and/or for people who can't play a certain instrument in this case: The guitar.
@@AhmetWinchester metal guitars are not violins. acoustic guitar may be another story but distorted metal guitars are sure as hell going full virtual in studios very soon.
nahhhh tux guitar for life! if i want to know what it would sounds like on a real guitar ill just play it on my guitar, and if its too hard to play im not going to bother recording it till i can.
I'd say Odin has nicer tone but it's a one trick pony. Shreddage needs more tinkering but it's far more versatile with more articulations, features and palm mute layers (from tight to loose).
I don't think writing stuff down directly in midi is the best idea. how the hell do you know if it's even playable ? The whole point of guitar pro, for me at least, is to play on a real guitar and write stuff down whenever I come up with anything that's worth keeping. I know it's not going to sound exactly like what I was playing, then again neither will this. There's bound to be certain techniques than just simply can't be done through midi. Exporting the midi and using this for a demo seems much more reasonable, though you will still run into the same problem.
Nope! As a guitarist, I'd never use a virtual guitar in any form. Maybe this tool works for someone who wants to produce and write a song but not know how to play but for a producer who wants to convey an idea to a band they're working with. Those are the only two ways I feel this is useful. Technology can be helpful but when you can opt out of playing real instruments to "speed up" the volume of songs you're pumping out, I feel thats when music loses it's meaning. It becomes all about the product of music and not the soul.
Those of you who are jumping on the hate wagon: have you ever actually tried this?
Odin II is amazing. I did a video about it and created a killer synth/metal track. Awesome songwriting tool and when programmed correctly sounds quite real. Here is what I came up with: ruclips.net/video/bjguMXMxt1M/видео.html
Come on... Don't you think it's a bit disingenuous to call a disagreement of opinion a "hate wagon"?
If you didn't want people to say "I dont like this" why did you even post the video?
I have never actually tried this and I am piloting the hate wagon. Thank you for ruining music.
@@n00dl3 Totally agree! For the people who said, "I prefer writing on guitar because it's faster for me," that's totally fair.
no need to even retrack the guitars with this. most of the time this is what edited guitars sound like.
a drummer that couldn't play guitar would love this when writing stuff
You should check out Anup Sastry. He's a drummer and his stuff is fucking awesome!
Drummer than can't play guitar here. I actually do this and its great!
This is me. I'm the drummer who is always thinking of guitar riffs but is not accomplished with a guitar. This program is a godsend for me.
That’s why I’m here. Haha
As much as we guitar players love Superior Drummer :D
I have Odin. I like it. It's helpful for writing out songs when I don't want to set up recording gear and doing 40 takes for each side pan.
Q1.Does it help in songwriting and then transposing it to actual guitar... meaning playing the exact piece ?
Q2.can I layer the midi over the actual recorded guitar ? For nice lead tones
@@manasdas9461 yes you can. I do.
That's just called being lazy.
As a guitarist and songwriter, I approve. I always use programmed guitars as a sort of placeholder before replacing them with a real guitar later down the road, and it makes writing songs a million times easier and even just as a regular thing for a song I like it. Maybe not a full sounding rock mix but if I'm making a ps2 game-style "rock" song where a midi guitar would fit then it's perfect for that
I can see the point to this. I write my guitar solos in the piano then learn them on guitar for the record. I find writing songs sometimes with just the guitar limiting. So writing on a midi keyboard helps a lot of the times and lets you try things your muscle memory guitar mind may not think of. This is also super helpful when writing on vacation for example and you got is a laptop
This is a great point-- writing on piano really opens up a lot of possibilities that are harder to find on guitar (since the piano is a much more direct match to the western scale and all that).
How to know the notes are close enough and are playable on actual guitar (not streching fingers much).... I have no knowledge about music theory...so it might sound as stupid question
@@manasdas9461 In my experience, chords within the same 1-2 octaves can be played more easily on the guitar. Try exporting your guitar composition's MIDI data and import into a tab editor to see how it translates to a guitar. If it seems unplayable, then transpose the notes that are too hard to reach down an octave and see if it changes the 'feel' of what you wrote too much. Another option, split up what you wrote between two guitars. One could play the lower part of the chord and the other the higher part.
Some other advantages of using Odin or other samplers that I'd like to add:
* MIDI editors enable creativity to a much bigger degree that people want to admit. With two clicks you can harmonize your riff on the second guitar and instantly play it back in great quality. Or reverse it, invert it, shift it up or down an octave etc. It really allows thinking outside the box.
* Interaction with other instruments: So many people use synths, strings, keys etc. in modern production to reinforce the drums/bass/guitar. Let's say you want to add a synth an octave up to reinforce your riff. If you're not writing in midi you first have to figure out the tempo, all the notes, write it to midi and by then your creative spark can be gone. With MIDI guitars you can just drag it over, go +12 and listen to it then and there. Same goes for programmed bass btw.
* As a reference for tracking: The Odin samples are recorded in amazing quality with fresh strings, perfectly in tune and played by a good guitar player. If you write in odin and then replace it with real guitars you already have a great sounding tone and reference to work with instead of having to figure things out as you go.
agreed its a writing tool and anyone who can't open their eyes to the advantages of software like this can stay blind as they choose no harm no foul.. in the mean time ill have used it to write at least a dozen sick riffs that I can save to use later or retrack now with real guitars after my creative spark that was manifested in midi form is laid down.. not mention there are serveral very very super sickkkkk guitarists and composers at the very highest level that use similar software to compose and then go back and learn it/ improvise over it to create tracks that succeed at melting fucking faces off and in some cases elevates the genre of music straight into the future and helps everyone involved up their game in the process.
Good music is good music is good music period friends.
Half these negative comments brought to you by people who don’t know they love the sound of sampled drums.
For real though, I produce and I’m on the road a lot and don’t always have the luxury to bring my guitar, drums and bass with me. I don’t say I love doing things this way but it’s a great way to get some ideas out without having to mess with tuning, and all the other things that sap your inspiration. Plus, if you write some technical stuff on midi then you HAVE to practice if you ever want to perform it live. Thanks Nick, great video man.
Lol. Agreed
let´s be hones metal-recordings became a genre of electronic music anyway. i love how you will find a band-name on the covers while the credits will say: - contains: drums 25% (thereof 20% cymbals, 5% snare, 75% aroma), guitars 25% (thereof 50% guitars [from guitar-extract], 50% aroma), bass-guitar 25% (30% bass-guitar, 75% sine-wave [from controlled, naturally grown synth]), 25% vocals (2% human, 98% melodyne). May contain sum-compression.
I can see where this might be good for someone who is not a guitarist to convey a guitar part idea but definitely not for use in a final production but there are no rules so I bet someone will
What are you some kind of "riff master"?
James Akers This, I think these are good because it allows you to make ideas without your band, and then show them when you get a chance to meet up. Use them to make a demo if you dont have a full band, so that you can show them to people with instruments to help get them on boardyour project.
@@pietandersen6120 could actually learn to play something too... Might help in the long run... Lol
SiREN-DRUMS I am trying to learn bass right now, but it takes time, and while Im learning bass i cant find the timeto learn other instruments. So as a vocalist, having a device that allows me to easily put my ideas into a listenable format, so that I can show them to my guitarist and drummer, is incredibly nice. I dont wanna use it as a shortcut, and at the endof the day any released tracks will always feature as many properly recorded instruments as possible.
Or for someone who's hand got fucked up but they really still want to create their visions but they prefer being alone and not bothering friends to help with their vision. It's me. I'm someone :)
for the creative songwriting process this is gold, but afterwards exchange the midi-guitars with the real thing. I do this since 1899.
Yup exactly!
@@URMAcademy Can we combine real with fake guitars to make Mix even wider, fuller, or just better?
fuck your old
@@aris9125 even I want to know the same thing..that would give such nice lead tone
I produced music at home for 7 years before taking a break due to an injury, getting back into it and seeing how far these things have come in just a few years is insane. These guitar plug-ins sound better than my guitar recordings.
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What's the difference between 1 and 2?
I've been limited to writing trap, dubstep, techno, ect for a few years now. My original passion was writing many different genres of metal. Since 2008 though, my passion became more electronic focused, but I still hold the sound of a guitar close to my heart. With my hand being fucked up, my loner personality, and my old trash set up, bringing any metal elements into my tracks was extremely hard and would end up sounding trash. Now that I got a new setup, this would probably fit in perfectly with creating what I envision while remaining 100% by myself. Can't wait to give it a go.
Big Aodh same here. I grew up on metal just never got a chance to learn instruments. Not everyone gets the opportunity. Eventually i got bored makin electronic music by itself & got virtual guitars. Its about the vision & idea in the end. No matter how much of an “insult” it may be to a “real” guitarist they cant take the idea from you. I wish you the best of luck.
Next product. Midi vocalists. Your band is obsolete
I highly doubt that anyone, who is a guitar player would consider using Odin. IMO it's a great tool to get down ideas quickly and in a more efficient way and even a handy tool for people who don't play guitar, that DOES NOT mean, that musicians become obsolete.
VOCALOID 5. There already are MIDI vocals programs.
Vocaloid 5 has thousands of voice banks however there is this thing called UTAU which allows you to not only download other people's own voice libraries but actually making your own. The con is that with 1048201047 voice banks 90% of them are poorly made by amateurs. However, UTAU has some screamo voicebanks that are actually good while VOCALOID does not. There also are programs like Synth V and Alterego. Synth V being better than UTAU, easier to use and in proper english. Alterego being somewhat cool but never really used it myself. If you want to hear how a VOCALOID can sound in a metal envirement check out "Utsu P" on youtube. His latest song called "Hyper Reality Show". It's heavy as fuck but you may cringe at the animu voice.
P.s. if your pc can't run Vocaloid 5 or Synth V then don't bother with Vocaloid 4 and UTAU as they are sure light as a hell but programming good vocals in V4 and UTAU is incredibly time consuming.
On the flip side you can make your animu waifu sing what more can you ask for in life
What until AGI hurdles the uncanny valley in songwriting.
soundiron voices of rage. it already exists my dude
already done. Band in a box. Country styles
Can't believe how close-minded some people are.
"It sounds worse than the real thing" well no shit.
"Why not just use guitar pro?" well maybe some people prefer programming midi in a DAW instead of inputting tabs.
I'm a virtual guitar enthusiast and while I realize they're not as good as the real thing they can definitely produce great results in skillful hands and they're great for people who can't play guitar at all OR want to write more complex music than they can play.
I've been using Shreddage and Ample Metal Eclipse for a long time and they're great for what I do. Still, can't wait to see what the future has to offer when these things get better.
I play guitar and for a song I tried to use a fake guitar to get a different texture. It ended up sounding really strange but I fitted the song perfectly. Sometimes making things sound "not real" can give you interesting results.
this is very true, i do the same and layer those strange things behind the real performances
They took or jooobs!
Duurk a durrr!
I have this and their Bass (Loki), even their drums. The sound is incredible. I've played guitar for over 30 years, and bass only a little less than that. OF COURSE, I can record myself playing guitar faster than programming. And yes, I can edit. But, that's not the point (for a guitarist anyway). After I record a live guitar, the only way to try different things (while songwriting) is takes and comps. And it's a tremendous pain in the ass to constantly put down my guitar to try out different things. It's sooo much faster and convenient to use a MIDI guitar, play what I want to play, then just mess with the MIDI and see where inspiration takes me. Heck, I can do that on my laptop anywhere - even if I didn't record the MIDI with a MIDI guitar.
And it sounds awesome, so I know when it's time to actually record normal analog guitar - the sound is going to be so much closer to what I created.
For example... Maybe instead of muting, I want it more open and try a different chord in the chorus. It's literally drag and drop over strapping the guitar back on, prepping the DAW, and getting the take right - over and over for everything I'd like to test.
Now, yes it's an amazing sounding guitar and I LOVE it for songwriting, etc - but, I tried doubling with real guitars to test that out and... Ehh... Doesn't go well together. Playing style has a lot to do with sound and it seems to kill the feel of live playing. So, I wouldn't suggest that route.
But completely on its own, with no real guitar to contrast is a good option for non-guitarists or those who can't play anymore because of a disability. Or the song is more important to you than just guitars.
I use many different ways of writing songs, so I'll never close the door on added options - that'd just be a weird closed-mindedness.
If they had many, many more options with added playing styles/methods/guitarists - then it could become a Superior Drummer for guitarists.
I use eDrums to record the MIDI, then use amazing samples (without buying thousands of dollars worth of drum sets and mics) to get the right sound over my very human playing. Works the same here (except there's only one sampled guitar, etc).
I highly recommend it. Give up the preconceived notions and actually try it with an open mind. You're a musician - get creative! You WILL find some great use for it - even if someone hasn't thought of it yet.
I’m a drummer using Odin 2 to compose entire songs for my music. A lot of the songs I can’t even tell it’s MIDI.
Sounds pretty good for a midi guitar, great for writing especially if you are wanting to find the right key for a song.
It's worth noting that if you're not changing the tuning of your guitar (8:50), restringing an Evertune guitar is literally the fastest thing you will ever do
This. It takes me less than 10 minutes. If you stay with the same tuning, gauge and string brand you even need little to no fine tuning.
Re-stringing a guitar to the same tuning with the same string gauges on a guitar that has an Evertune and locking tuners takes like 90 seconds
Not as fast as an old headless Steinberger with the trans-trem with it's locking function.
...But he IS talking about changing the tuning though.
@@SkinnKilla Yes, but he doesn't call out the distinction. Someone could misread the statement and assume that Evertunes are just a PITA in all cases and given that few people have first-hand experience, I've seen a lot of this online.
That's actually pretty bad ass! I'm a pretty good guitar player and I can still see how this would be a very useful tool for me in recording.
I'm using Eurobass II and EZDrummer2 in my mixes and you would never know unless I told you. No one ever does know..
As a person who does everything by myself and is still searching for band mates. Virtual instruments like odin has been a lifesaver
I 100% disagree with using sampled guitars. They do not inspire or make you more creative. I have tried and worked with a LOT of sampled instruments as a proffesional composer. 10 years ago I decided to only play guitar parts on real instruments, and its such a different flow and a creative experience.
I can do a complete guitar mix in a few hours, writing and recording all the parts, and it’s soo much more fun than point and click.
Problem with sampled guitars is also that they all sound the same, there’s no possibility to experiment with tone, pick ups, strings, fingering, and all the other playing techniques.
A rock or metal producer should really know how to play a few instruments to be able to record and produce them properly.
That's absolutely how I've been using it and it works great!
You know what I love about Midi guitar?
I use it for when I write video game music.
When it comes to writing music for video games, robotic perfection is almost completely necessary for the majority of projects.
For the longest time I've been limited on what I can accomplish for more metal style tracks (for boss battles) because I don't always have time to track guitar, now I dont have to. I have great quality guitar and I feel pretty limitless on what I can accomplish now.
People in bands get short sighted and not recognize the sheer utility.
ive noticed ppl that dont like fake guitars is not because its cheating....its just because the style of music they make is far from metal core or any type of metal. Its easier to emulate a metal tone than a country telecaster line, a Gibson SG foo figther style tone or a pure clean Stratocaster part. Thats where a lot of virtual guitar plugins fail miserably. The only ive found that can emulate a variety of tones like that Is Music Lab. Thats what I use and 80% of the time ppl cant really tell if its a fake guitar ...the other 20% are guitar players who are really familiar with how a real guitar reacts to dynamics, pulls, slides and even when going thru an amp. But yes like you said ...they are a great option for song writing and producing even if they get replaced by a real guitar later on the process.
This is amazing, especially if you're too tired to play well and feel like putting an idea down or having problems with gear at the moment. Thanks for the sharing!
I'm a 17 year old who's been wanting to get into pop punk but I'm mainly a vocalist with a little skill in guitar. I'm independent too so having this, as well as their other plugins has honestly completely changed things for me it's insane. I agree it's good for just getting ideas down quicker but I'd also say that these guitars are good enough to go on their own without recording them for real.
I actually loved guitar pro because I'm good at hearing what it's GOING to be... But it never got anybody I showed my files to very excited lol
it all comes down on how well you can program midi notes. polyphonic instruments are always much harder to get right imho, that's why bass vsti are widely accepted by now.
If it takes you an hour to restring an Evertune you might be doing something wrong
Amen
MIDI guitar is a art of its own
This is nice
A lot of the times I have good ideas and when I play it I can't get it right. This will help me write the riffs in my head and then learn them from this
Odin 2 tucked behind my real guitars. Sounds bloody awesome. I’ve been a producer for nearly 30 years, take the stick from up your arse lads, if it sounds good it is good.
I can see the uses of this, but man I hope we don’t ever come to a time when everything on our metal albums is completely synthesised
what makes you think they didnt do this already? corporations have this 10 years B4 we do.
Eventually, the midi stuff will probably sound realistic. So I wouldn’t worry.
Question for any experienced users on Odin... not sure if its covered here, but how do you program pinch harmonics? Is there a particular way? Sorry for noob question, drummer here
Now I'd like to tell you my story . I love heavy music and I wanted to create it . The thing is I started doing it on vsts . And the only problem that good vst guitars have is chord strumming . There's no any other problem that can't be solved . You can do basically everything with automation and keyswitches . Mixing also can solve a lot of different problems . Vst guitars are also used in editing DIs of a real guitar and it's amazing , but the chord strumming is just awful and you can use guitar like odin and shreddage and any other best ones only for kind of rhythm parts , but not strumming . I bought the actual guitar in June and I'm so glad that I understood how the guitar works even before I bought it , because I came to know about some tips and tricks with vst . And I hope that some vst guitar in future will be able to do a closely to real strumming , but I still doubt . The vst guitars are needed to write down the thing you hear in your head , but you don't have a real guitar near you or if you're not a good player yet , but created something on a guitar . So there's no need to hate those vsts in general . I hate them only for chord strumming and a lack of samples with the bad programmed engine , cause samples repeat .
Moreover. If you hava a real guitar, you can use a Midi pickup and Odin to layer sounds and double your tone. So you have two guitars playing with one (the original sound of your real guitar and the sound of the virtual one).
You really can not and a well tracking midi pickup is wayyy more expensive than just getting another ok guitar.
@@musicdude1540 I mean if you get the FTP connect or even Jam Origin, it tracks really well and you can play both the real guitar sound and the sound of the fake one at the same time. If you buy just another guitar, then you'd need another person to play it and then you'd get a completely different result, since then it would sound like two guitars playing, due to the natural swing and inconsistencies that happen when people play together.
I was on about how you can get two sounds to be layered into the sound of one guitar, to make it a completely new sound, in a similar vein that some drummers use triggers (for example a sub bass trigger on the bass drums to give them thicker low end blended with the kicks natural punch). Either that or to "clear up" you guitar tone by having a stupid amount of gain on your real guitar, and then a clean instance of Odin layered with it, which will give it more clarity and define the note.
taking it up 2 semitones makes it sound like the pop punk hit of the summer
I love that Golbez is in your video!
Cool for writing/demoing (although I prefer to actually play, get the feeling, check if it's actually playable and learn my own song). If it ends up replacing real performances, it's a big no no. I mean, wasn't autotune meant to be a "creative tool" initially?
I prefer to play my rhythms organically, but I suck at leads and complex picking patters. Definitely have to check it out.
as a drummer, bassist and keyboardist i like this video
Comparing Guitar Pro sounds to The Odin hahaha... you may as well compare a Ferrari Enzo to an electric scooter. Two entirely different beasts with different functions and different user base's.
How can programming guitars on piano MIDI be faster and more creative than real guitar that all guitarists are more used to use? Does not really make sense to me as it's easier to come up with a riff just by jamming than thinking how to program what etc. Cheers
Just something to try! We aren't suggesting that you should or shouldn't work this way-- just showing one option that a lot of people haven't ever really considered.
Thats basically what composers do. Theyll write songs without needing to touch an instrument. I've written some pretty cool riffs by just tabbed out what I hear in my head. Both composing in your mind vs writing through jamming have their advantages. Plus transcribing a riff keeps you from forgetting and documents your song so other members can learn the song/riff on their own.
I write on my guitar but always tab stuff into guitar pro so I can hear it in the full band setting. I've been doing this for 15 years anyway lol this just makes it sound better
I’m not hating it at all, the plugin is amazing but the only reasonable option for me is to use it in the same way as Anup does it. He can’t play so he samples guitars and use it as real. Anyway you do you 😉. Love ❤️
Doesn't sound like the guitars a chipmunk lol. Loved that one
"Realism equals creativity" said a man about virtual guitar instrument. Well i can one up this by doing one crazy thing, that is grabbing my guitar and start playing. There's some realism right there :)
Postie bruh you just missed the whole point of the video
I think the issue is that even though it is higher quality than stuff like GP guitar sound, it is only truly ‘much better’ in the short term. The settings with which you play determine the sound 100% - it is a purely deterministic MIDI instrument, as all MIDI instruments are. There is only so much variation you’ll get from subtly randomising parameters. After a while of using it you will run into the issue of everything sounding the same, so you won’t really have much advantage over GP really. The beauty of picking up a real guitar in songwriting is that every time you play, you get a truly different sound. Sure, there is only so much you can do with 1 guitar, but if on the ‘variation possibilities’ scale GP is 1, then this is about 10, and real guitar is 1000.
What is this comment? Truly different sound? What are you smoking?
yes i have tried this. i don´t understand why but the band was somehow not amused that i replaced 3 of 4 people with programmed stuff. i really don´t know why...
Is there a guitar VST that I won't need to spend my entire paycheck on that sounds decent?
Honestly the song is really good.
Nice use of Harry Kody from Shotgun Messiah.... mind blowing guitarist
Has any one thought that this would be good for Industrial Metal/Industrial or Electronic Rock where the guitars are normally super edited and robotic sounding.
It’s all I can use 😭 living in an apartment complex. My neighbours wouldn’t have any of it.
I'm in the exact same boat my friend. I'm already scared to turn my monitors on past a certain point and no matter how much you "treat" a room they are going to hear you. Using a VST like this also allows me to save on the endless gear I'd need if were going the "normal" route (space is also a concern).
I'm a bad guitarist... I played for 12yrs, took a 17yr break an don't have hours a day to practice or jam. I am however into writing and recording and find the creative process to be very enjoyable. Does it make it "better" if I call myself a "Producer" or "Songwriter" rather than a "guitarist"? lol
They have since released a newer version, and holy sh* finally a guitar that do any suck. However, mine won't do pinch harmonics.
Need to try this out🤟
can u use this for clean guitars as well or is it only distortion?
More tutorials on how to program these kind of sounds would be great from a non-guitar/bass player. Also, some protect downloads to study the midi would be usefull.
Hi, I never used a guitar simulator VST, so I have a question: can you make a "clean" guitar riff with this plugin (I mean not this heavy metal sound)? Is the output sound only depending of the guitar amp vst and/or the pedal vst?
Anand4mine i never used the odin but most virtual guitars are dry with just the clean sound so in order to sound heavy youd need to use an amp simulator(guitar fx vsts). Id look around at diff guitar vsts & find one you like :)
@@fourwallholidaymusic Thx for your answer Adam.
I wanted to like this... But maybe if you'd have covered more on MIDI articulations to save time from "Strum" layouts and manual key switches or some kind of Logical Editor function to do up & down strokes for a smoother process.... something which saves us time and effort so that we can move on, perhaps more people would have liked.
Some people may hate virtual guitars... it doesn't bother me. I only dislike coming to a video to learn something new, only to find out that someone is discussing the "existence" and "usecases" why VSTs (even specific instruments) exist. They ALL basically exist for the same reasons.
It is SO much faster as a guitarist. Literally all it takes is one guitar and ANY FREE plugin.
Also it is worth noting that MIDI notes often do not translate well on a fretboard, let alone using -let ring- or vibrato/legato stuff, that's why people use GP.
To be honest, if you have the luxury of using a DAW (reaper is free), an instrument and an amp simulator (free amp sims everywhere) I can't see why you would take 45 minutes to write articulations on something you are going to record again very soon. It takes 10 minutes at best to record what you wrote in 45. You don't even see score notations as in GP, so why not recording it yourself, and then edit? It makes absolutely NO SENSE.
This is if you are a guitarist. If you play any other instrument then it's really cool, because you can translate your ideas to something a bit more realistic than a GP sample and figure out if it sounds as you want it.
However, everybody is free to do as it please him, so this is totally not an issue for me.
What I find truly disgusting is to hear "if you can't play the instrument well enough in a recording isituation, then just jump on the MIDI machine" in a freaking MUSIC EDUCATIONAL CHANNEL.
The least you could do is to teach how to get around the problem by editing the guitar.
It is bad both as a musician and as a recording engineer. This is garbage.
Also calling everyone a "hater" just because they disagree is immature at best.
Edit: if this is where we are supposed to learn how to improve, then we are lost in advance.
@@LeDemiChef I don't think you actually understood the video. The point is to use it as a writing tool. For example let's say you are the drummer of the band, and not great at guitar... might be easier to write this way.
Reaper is not free
@@URMAcademy 10:10 your own words. Plus, instead of this, there are so many editing/effect tricks you could use
@@lunarhaze105 I know but if you are not earning money from it I can see it being used for songwriting. Although as someone who only uses licensed software I agree people should purchase the software they are using anyway.
I do this so I can hear a rough draft of what I’d play.
I do this for demos.
as guitar player i would say its ok, and if you want to write a song quikly thats fine for a demo thanx but i steel like to compose on real guitar.
I don't think the GP was significantly worse. Definitely hurt my ears less. Perfectly fine for songwriting. I've never actually heard GP sound so good.
Hows this any different from self playing pianos
@3:00 - Absolutely. To me there is something nostalgic about the GP Wavetable sound. The tab for Dimensions Intertwine by Decrepit Birth sounds awesome on Guitar Pro. It's all comes down to how much attention you are willing to pay to anything you do. Some tabs sound like shit because they are too basic. Other tracks sound awesome because of the detail put into it by the transcriber.
All I can say to this video is that I'm already tired of guessing whether or not a drum performance is recorded or programmed on modern metal tracks. Now that I have to discern between real and fake guitars I'm probably just going to bid modern production adieu and dive back into the underground releases where the performances are still real and the atmosphere is legit.
If Grunge was the devolution of the over the top metal and rock scenes of the 80's, I can't wait to hear the next "protest" against overproduction and faked performances.
Think of it this way; you'll never be able to beat the accuracy and perfect execution of a computer when it comes to music. A fully programmed album ensures your live show will always be technically worse than your albums when it comes to performance. Why would you want to subject yourself to that? I know for a fact that I never want to play my music live unless I can recreate the album or better. Wouldn't you want the same?
Anyway, the creative and workflow uses for this are great. I just hope people don't make a conscious effort to fake their albums anymore. It's lame, but that's just my opinion.
You can humanize and purposefully mess up parts to sound human. Also this is not a thing for bands to be lazy and not bother recording guitars. Rather a TOOL.
Say someome like myself, a vocalist, wants to bang together some tracks for my band when i see them. I can't play guitar so i would have had to get someone to play parts for me or use crap sounding ones. With this i can make a track knowing how it would sound on a guitar, and thus being able to tell if it's good or not. There is also the fact I can play this on keyboard and make riffs on a keyboard. The primary use for Virtual guitars though is to make good demos and so when you get a band together at some point they can play, on real instruments, the songs youve written, meaning your final album will be real instruments. With this everyone can make riffs and give ideas, rather than have to wait for the guitarist.
Also this can have a use in live playing as well - keyboardists can get guitar sounds with this and cover guitar parts and guiarists can use a midi pickup to layer their sounds combining the sound of the virtual guitar with the sound of their real guitar. Two guitars being played by one cool cat \m/. Just like Steve Harris uses his midi pickup on his bass to layer his bass sound with the sound of a synth bass.
Honestly I don't know where I would be without this... Probably trying to put distortion on a piano and make it sound like a guitar, or sifting through all the douchebags in my school trying to buddy up with a guitarist who can shred decently and dosen't hate metal... All the guitarists in my school play Indie/Pop.
Nice one! Thanks man
I know a lot of bands that write with GP, so what’s the difference between that and writing like this lmao. Again it’s a great application for writing and not necessarily final production. I love it, way more inspiring than GP in my opinion. Great video.
Mild-manner mixer, Clark Kent, tells us about guitars.
What does this vsti sound like when producing tremolo picked rhythms?
“can I make a production using fake guitars?” Sure, lifeless & robotic mixes are already all the rage.
Damian Scott hell yeah 😂
Some people actually like the Chango super robotic sound. I'd say it's way more efficient to program everything instead of recording a guitar and then editing the crap out of it to sound robotic lmao.
Basu I edit my guitars without making th sound robotic.
@@SuperMoshBrosYT Yeah that's also an option lol I was talking in the context of intentionally robotic mixes tho
Basu yea I feel. It’s all just personal preference.
Though this is a cool tool, to me it would take longer to program than to grab a guitar and do some scratch takes. But I get it, there's a market for this.
How do I know if what I wrote is good? A good song is a good song regardless of whether it's played in guitar pro or through some midi plugin. I understand it being used for writing and demoing but I probably wouldn't ever use such a thing for an actual release. I don't like the example you used of like a tremolo picked part that no one can play. Maybe write something else? Or like go home and practice it? If you play guitar, there's no reason to have fake guitar in a real recording. :P
cool video. What are the other VST instruments? (drums and bass)
Hey, can i control this vst with something like fishman triple play or midi guitar 2 being able to palm mute and actualy register the palm mutes?
Programming is a pain in the ass, I better grab my guitar and play, much simpler and faster.
Yeah but as a drummer who wants to create music, this definitively will help me to put my ideas down for good.
I have to give this a try
Also I’ve heard a bunch about printing Midi to Audio Wave. Does this make much difference?
if the vst plugin is using variation, than you can print this to audio to "bake" the variations in, otherwise each time you hit the play button in your DAW you get a different variation.
this is especially good for working with midi drum plugins and you are layering differnet samples on top of it. is it necessary always? not really but sometimes it can be usefull, also you will save resources in your project if you print to audio
What's the difference between Shreddage 3 vs Odin 2?
Odin 2 goes way lower than shreddage 3, but other than that I'm not sure. Would be nice to see a comparison. There's not many reviews on Odin 2 or Shreddage Jupiter which seems like their current best sounding and lowest tuned guitar.
Is this song's intro from Whole by Basement? or eerily similar
Now if only we can use it in guitarpro/tuxguitar
You can export your midi from GP if you want to go that route
@@URMAcademy Absolutely. Maybe one day I'll check it out. Looks like a great songwriting and production tool for sure.
You can with loopmidi
How is this VST with slight bends? Is there a key switch for that?
what drum samples are you using?!
as a guitarist I hate to say this but this is going to be the future..
I disagree. If I had the skill and the finances I would record real violins and grand pianos instead of working with VSTs (because of the feeling).
IMO VSTs like this are very handy tools for either people who want to mess around and get creative and/or for people who can't play a certain instrument in this case: The guitar.
@@AhmetWinchester metal guitars are not violins. acoustic guitar may be another story but distorted metal guitars are sure as hell going full virtual in studios very soon.
@@ezassegai4793 at which point do you distinguish between violins and "metal" guitars?
@@AhmetWinchester dynamics. metal guitars barely have any.
nahhhh tux guitar for life! if i want to know what it would sounds like on a real guitar ill just play it on my guitar, and if its too hard to play im not going to bother recording it till i can.
Isn't it easier to play than to program
For writing is a great tool
What about Shreddage 3?
which one is better, shreddage or Odin?
shreddage
I'd say Odin has nicer tone but it's a one trick pony. Shreddage needs more tinkering but it's far more versatile with more articulations, features and palm mute layers (from tight to loose).
@@Tremendouz I think articulation is more important. will go for shreddage. U should do more dude for shreddage 3. it sounds dope.
@@sadblyte8404 in term of?
I like the idea of writing demos with it, but this could be really bad for the future of metal
This is where I draw the line
Really cool for songwrite, but I think isnt cool for real albuns
I don't think writing stuff down directly in midi is the best idea. how the hell do you know if it's even playable ? The whole point of guitar pro, for me at least, is to play on a real guitar and write stuff down whenever I come up with anything that's worth keeping. I know it's not going to sound exactly like what I was playing, then again neither will this. There's bound to be certain techniques than just simply can't be done through midi. Exporting the midi and using this for a demo seems much more reasonable, though you will still run into the same problem.
Pretty much like you said, I think this is more for 'non guitarists'
Mark from veil of maya writes everything out on midi
@@ehwanuwungah1098 aye but his level of playing is far beyond that of us humans
Shotgun Messiah
Nope! As a guitarist, I'd never use a virtual guitar in any form. Maybe this tool works for someone who wants to produce and write a song but not know how to play but for a producer who wants to convey an idea to a band they're working with. Those are the only two ways I feel this is useful. Technology can be helpful but when you can opt out of playing real instruments to "speed up" the volume of songs you're pumping out, I feel thats when music loses it's meaning. It becomes all about the product of music and not the soul.
That happened like 40 years ago, mate.
Multi-sampled instruments seem to be getting better and better. Your average listener probably can't pick out a sampled instrument in a mix.
It's survival of the fittest. Compose better music or get replaced by programmed guitar
i made my own 'guitar' lol just run VB-1 into Podfarm. For 'palm mutes' use lower fuzzy octaves
This video is so fucking helpful！
This is EZ guitarist for drummers
OC Jones I play guitar and bass! I’m a rock musician. What style do are you ?
What are the drum samples?? Damn, they sound amazing!