I just like having one doing notching, one doing more broad moves if I need them, just keep the workflow separate. Like having an SSL one for the 8k boost too
I love to put eq before the Amp. To correct some harmonics to be distorted. Then eq correction of the impulse cab. Then compressor and eq again to "put" it into the mix
@@NemertinesOfficial yeah I've recently started doing a bit of eq and compression before the amp. Putting a snappy compressor on the DI can make the riffs sound a bit more aggressive too, especially if they weren't played as hard as they should have during tracking.
@@fromtheashbandofficial I've never used a compressor before the Amp with rhythm parts. May be it depends on guitar, playing technique and distortion itself. I'll try:)
Im not familiar with Daniel as an engineer but holy shit, i want to sit with him and nerd the fuck out on guitar processing. He doesn't tune his personality for the content like a lot of guys do and he comes across as a dude ass dude who loves his art, and that horns my soul all up. Cheers!
I know this may sound stupid so forgive me lol. Do you notice a major difference between a DI’d signal from passive vs active pickups? I’m very curious about that and have been for years. I want a pros opinion. Awesome presentation sir! Thanks
"Active" pickups are actually just regular old passive pickups except they are sent through an on board preamp. The preamp's main job is to change the output impedance such that you won't encounter treble loss when using low input impedance pedals or long cable runs. Pickup companies will typically implement some tone shaping in the circuit as well. Having said all of this, a well designed active pickup would be more beneficial than a passive type.
Fabfilter plugins are ones that are really LIGHT on CPU. The only issue that I've ever had was having Pro MB on instrumental or master bus, but then again, there are many plugins that are dozen times as CPU hungry as FF stuff
This works great for metal. If you have a tube screamer, you can add it before your DI. Don’t use distortion, bring the volume up and tone non neutral, gain down. Just like you would in front of an amp, simple. This takes out unnecessary low end and you can fuck with the tone non if you want to add some top end. Taking out some low end from the di will help the amp sims process the audio and have it work less. You can later add some low end from the amp or eq for your liking. It’s a good way to get a preamp effect and adds characters to your sound. Personally I like this with lower tuned songs starting from drop c flat going on to lower tunings.
Would be awesome if you make a video about mixing that snare. That's what I call a big snare... Not like other youtube videos named "big fat punchy snare" and then they show you the tiniest snare sound possible :D
Haha yes, "Big Fat Punchy Snare" clickbait vids, and then it's just someone doing a high shelf and running through some overly warm tape emulator which ends up with the snare sounding like a little b*tch in the full mix
To everyone that’s always worried about fretbuzz and not having the “scale to do drop to F#” (like Mike stringer with 26.75”): in these DIs, you can hear the fret buzz. IT’S TOTALLY NORMAL!!
I wouldn’t even think about touching this stuff ten years ago. These amp sims just get better and better. I think I still like tracking with an amp or a Kemper/axe fx a bit better. But for my “xtra” marshally tones, sims all the way.
Sims are like 1% the price and time requirement of the combined cost of real amps, sound proofed room, quality mics, effort, etc. for _almost_ as good of quality, if not the same quality depending on the music genre and instrument. Real equipment for recording prob won't go away any time soon, but the sims sure rival it.
@@MrCholoPants3415 no doubt. I think each has its place. If the sims sucked nobody’d use them. I like the Kemper these days because I’ll get clients coming in with vintage stuff every now and then that I can profile(heheh). There’s some really usable sounds on the slate amp sim. Neural is killing it though with their stuff too.
Sometimes clipping DI’s can give you a cool tone, sort of like a distortion pedal. Depends on your pickups and pres. Joey Sturgis has talked about that before
Superior drummer 3, New York studios Vol 1. If you sign up for Nail the mix you get to watch the live stream where he breaks down the drum mixing and everything else!
Superior Drummer 3 NY Avatar default cymbals. On NTM he said he uses the default NY Avatar kit with the NirZ snare and later on uses samples on the kick and snare with Trigger 2. At least that's how he went about it on the Volumes mix.
Does no one hear that horrific sheen of noise on the top of the guitar tracks? The tone is wicked awesome, but I hear an ocean of noise that overwhelms the guitar signal. Anyone??
Yeah, all this modern metal stuff seems to have that going on. I like the power of the final mix,...but I don't really like the sound overall. I kind of get fatigue listening to it for long periods of time.
imagine having to pitch shift guitars down an octave to get some low end !? I always felt amp sims lack sufficient bass so that’s an interesting technique. Still think amp sim sounds like shit 😂
you nudged the guitar player behind the beat? i feel like this song would sound better if we here just how tight the band is! the tuning provides plenty of sludge you shouldnt have to nudge performances and pitch shift man. this makes me sad that good metal is being so over produced
@@KyleBGanger I don't want to hear integrity I want to hear music. I don't think quantized drums and over produced guitar tones sound good. Heavy handed production to compete with commercial pop is really sad. Metal is not commercial pop. Metal is metal.
@@Aio-Project it’s not to compete with pop, it’s to compete with metal. If metalheads are tuning in more to overly produced metal, metal will be overly produced, just the way things are.
He does seem to have very much of a “whatever I’ll fix it later with more shit on top” process to mixing, but hey. If it works and he gets a nice result in the end I’m not complaining. I didn’t notice the octaved down guitars when listening to the track when it was first released, I just felt the guitars attacking my soul and destroying me, which, in the end, is the only thing that matters really.
I think this mentality of “if you can’t make do with what everyone is doing, you’re not good” is one of the main reasons a lot of music today (including metal) feels stagnant. I feel like the song was a lot better for it that he didn’t just nail the tone the usual way and kept it as one signal.
@@iurigrang to be honest, I hadn't noticed it either but now when I listen to it, I can't not hear it. I'm going to try this trick with one of my songs and see if there's a difference. I play In Drop F 432hz
“I pitch-shifted these down an octave, and here’s what it sounds like…”
*plays Meshuggah riff
I feel so much better not being the only dude who has like 3 eqs on the guitar buss. Us audio guys need this affirmation lol
Same. Fabfilter and 2 apis
I just like having one doing notching, one doing more broad moves if I need them, just keep the workflow separate. Like having an SSL one for the 8k boost too
I love to put eq before the Amp. To correct some harmonics to be distorted. Then eq correction of the impulse cab. Then compressor and eq again to "put" it into the mix
@@NemertinesOfficial yeah I've recently started doing a bit of eq and compression before the amp. Putting a snappy compressor on the DI can make the riffs sound a bit more aggressive too, especially if they weren't played as hard as they should have during tracking.
@@fromtheashbandofficial I've never used a compressor before the Amp with rhythm parts. May be it depends on guitar, playing technique and distortion itself. I'll try:)
Note: You can turn off any section (Pedals, Amp, EQ, CAB, Fx) by right clicking on the icon of each one
or double clicking!
I'm amazed that this content is available on youtube. Love it
The. Damn. Snare.
Sounds very fake/sampled in that snare roll lmao
@@Originalthumb because the drums aren't real they were from superior drummer 3
@@no_one563i like blending a little sampled snare on top of the live performance. But not over the top. Sd3's tracker area has helped me bigtime.
I never thought of EQing DIs before the amp. Interesting results here!
Buster's HLB NTM guitars had a pretty crazy EQ curve before the amp sim, it sounded awesome none the less, just like this!
Buster is a prodigy of modern thall lol
learned a lot!
Im not familiar with Daniel as an engineer but holy shit, i want to sit with him and nerd the fuck out on guitar processing. He doesn't tune his personality for the content like a lot of guys do and he comes across as a dude ass dude who loves his art, and that horns my soul all up. Cheers!
Do a video about that drum pls
Sign up for Nail The Mix to see it pls
This was such an awesome session. I stole so many concepts from this
Please do one of these on the volumes album👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽👏🏽
Awesome thanks for sharing! That snare tho 😱
Hes becoming my favorite producer
That intro riff without distortion kind of sounds like a bullfrog singing
I know this may sound stupid so forgive me lol. Do you notice a major difference between a DI’d signal from passive vs active pickups? I’m very curious about that and have been for years. I want a pros opinion.
Awesome presentation sir! Thanks
"Active" pickups are actually just regular old passive pickups except they are sent through an on board preamp. The preamp's main job is to change the output impedance such that you won't encounter treble loss when using low input impedance pedals or long cable runs. Pickup companies will typically implement some tone shaping in the circuit as well. Having said all of this, a well designed active pickup would be more beneficial than a passive type.
@@glasaudio damn that was an amazing answer, thanks a lot.
Why do the DI’s have this sort of tic on the transient at around 0:50? Was that just an audio artifact or is that a result of high input?
I think that’s an artefact from him tempo-aligning the guitars. I remember the stretch markers Pro Tools uses make a clicking sound.
Definitely going to try that octave trick
That guitar is for sure strung with rubber bands
9:50, that makes sense but he doesnt say what tilt scale it was on pro-q ? was it 3db/oct?
I think I'm more interested on what his computer specs are, holy shit that's a lot of fab filter plugins.
fab filter is not that heavy tho,it's neural dsp that cost a lot for cpu
Fabfilter plugins are ones that are really LIGHT on CPU. The only issue that I've ever had was having Pro MB on instrumental or master bus, but then again, there are many plugins that are dozen times as CPU hungry as FF stuff
Fabfilter plugins are less cpu intensive. I also thought that they were heavy because of the crazy things those plugins can do. Pretty impressive.
wow eyal is looking good
Was just thinking the same!
Nods head….”let’s fuckin go” 😂
This works great for metal.
If you have a tube screamer, you can add it before your DI. Don’t use distortion, bring the volume up and tone non neutral, gain down. Just like you would in front of an amp, simple.
This takes out unnecessary low end and you can fuck with the tone non if you want to add some top end. Taking out some low end from the di will help the amp sims process the audio and have it work less. You can later add some low end from the amp or eq for your liking.
It’s a good way to get a preamp effect and adds characters to your sound. Personally I like this with lower tuned songs starting from drop c flat going on to lower tunings.
Drop C flat? Do you mean B? 😂
@@theopinson3851 Ha! One must remember there's only a half step between B and C (as well as E and F)!
@@RyRyTheBassGuy theory nerds will tell you there’s a time and a place for Cb and Fb, but I don’t think I’ve ever heard of someone tuning to it. 😂
That was a sick tutorial :)! I'm sorta happy that when I EQ guitars, my EQ settings are somewhat similar to this one ^-^
Fuckin brilliant producer/engineer / everything
Good to know even the pros clip all their EQ plugins!
What do you mean by clip?
DI Guitar tracks sound so funny
Also: amazing work, thanks for sharing
Thanks for the video🤝🤘🏻🔥
Would be awesome if you make a video about mixing that snare. That's what I call a big snare... Not like other youtube videos named "big fat punchy snare" and then they show you the tiniest snare sound possible :D
I concur! I've been sitting here admiring the snare this whole time.
yes please, that snare room punches me right in the stomache!
you watch the whole mix break down on Nail The Mix
Haha yes, "Big Fat Punchy Snare" clickbait vids, and then it's just someone doing a high shelf and running through some overly warm tape emulator which ends up with the snare sounding like a little b*tch in the full mix
oh wow I didn't know the band didn't even have a drummer. well they're gonna have to find one very soon!
Incredible. Thank you!
Doesn’t the pitch shifted guitar interfere with the base?
dude what drum program did you use. the drum track sounds amazing.
default presets are very useful in waves plugins to be fair
To everyone that’s always worried about fretbuzz and not having the “scale to do drop to F#” (like Mike stringer with 26.75”): in these DIs, you can hear the fret buzz. IT’S TOTALLY NORMAL!!
Great work! and I have used the dual track octave trick :) Do you use VST's on the final recording or was it re-amped with a modeler or amp?
Such a helpful video
Okay so i loved everything about this but, how are the guitars panned?
Hard left and right, as always.
8:34 JUMPSCARE
doods guitar buss EQ is a bowl of lucky charms...
i actually laughed out loud
I need one of these on Volume's Happier?
so many red lights have been hit during that production
I wouldn’t even think about touching this stuff ten years ago. These amp sims just get better and better. I think I still like tracking with an amp or a Kemper/axe fx a bit better. But for my “xtra” marshally tones, sims all the way.
Sims are like 1% the price and time requirement of the combined cost of real amps, sound proofed room, quality mics, effort, etc. for _almost_ as good of quality, if not the same quality depending on the music genre and instrument. Real equipment for recording prob won't go away any time soon, but the sims sure rival it.
@@MrCholoPants3415 no doubt. I think each has its place. If the sims sucked nobody’d use them. I like the Kemper these days because I’ll get clients coming in with vintage stuff every now and then that I can profile(heheh). There’s some really usable sounds on the slate amp sim. Neural is killing it though with their stuff too.
I've wondered if pitch shifting already low tuned guitars a whole 'nother octave down was a bad idea, now I have my answer.
are those DIs clipping or am I tripping?
They are clipping
Sometimes clipping DI’s can give you a cool tone, sort of like a distortion pedal. Depends on your pickups and pres. Joey Sturgis has talked about that before
EMG's kinda clip like that when you dig in. Check out the waveform next time you record some EMG's you see how they clip
did he mix "hurt you" from eternal blue? who mastered eternal blue?
He mixed everything for Eternal Blue
Daniel mixed it. And I believe, Jens Bogren mastered it.
can anyone recognize which drum library he uses
Superior drummer 3, New York studios Vol 1. If you sign up for Nail the mix you get to watch the live stream where he breaks down the drum mixing and everything else!
Superior Drummer 3 - NY Avatar kit. But he sample replaces with Trigger 2 post SD3
Snare sounds beautifully real and natural. Could be an inch louder and brighter though.
haha
its from superior drummer 3 tho
@@richmit7154 I think it was a joke
I LOVE HOW SLOPPY HE CAN BE, AND JUST DOES NOT CARE...ART!
Anybody knows which cymbals samples he’s using here?
Superior Drummer 3 NY Avatar default cymbals. On NTM he said he uses the default NY Avatar kit with the NirZ snare and later on uses samples on the kick and snare with Trigger 2. At least that's how he went about it on the Volumes mix.
I like how it sounds in solo but with other instruments not so much
just like with my mixes lol
You're then seasoning the ingredients, not proper mixing since you dont like how it sounds in the mix
When I record DI it never sounds like those dry DI signals.. why?
Try to use a DI Box and run it into the mic preamp of your interface. HI-Z might not sound as good as the mic pre
It also may be your pickups, or pick technique.
How many thousands of dollars did you spend on your guitar?
@@theopinson3851 lolllllllll
@@ayeapprove for real about not using hi-z??
Nice video, amazing song but what is that intro song?
Damn
He EQ's like me when I was 17... lol
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
@@drkstrnd A bit of both; Whatever sounds good wins but there was probably a more efficient way haha
I'm off, trying this out for myself immediately.
Wait so what amp sim plug-in was that
Does no one hear that horrific sheen of noise on the top of the guitar tracks? The tone is wicked awesome, but I hear an ocean of noise that overwhelms the guitar signal. Anyone??
Yeah, all this modern metal stuff seems to have that going on. I like the power of the final mix,...but I don't really like the sound overall. I kind of get fatigue listening to it for long periods of time.
imagine having to pitch shift guitars down an octave to get some low end !? I always felt amp sims lack sufficient bass so that’s an interesting technique. Still think amp sim sounds like shit 😂
lol
So much effort for a lifeless guitar tone. Where's the character, the attitude, the personality? I wouldn't be able to tell who is playing the guitar.
Wh would you need to?
@@UndarZ maybe it's just me but i love hearing some soul in music
you nudged the guitar player behind the beat? i feel like this song would sound better if we here just how tight the band is! the tuning provides plenty of sludge you shouldnt have to nudge performances and pitch shift man. this makes me sad that good metal is being so over produced
@@KyleBGanger I don't want to hear integrity I want to hear music. I don't think quantized drums and over produced guitar tones sound good. Heavy handed production to compete with commercial pop is really sad. Metal is not commercial pop. Metal is metal.
@@Aio-Project it’s not to compete with pop, it’s to compete with metal. If metalheads are tuning in more to overly produced metal, metal will be overly produced, just the way things are.
@@iurigrang yeah but what happens when you have to play live lol
@@Aio-Project the same that happens with pop, learn to lower your expectations or suffer.
@@iurigrang yeah. but wHaT hApPeNs WhEn YoU pLay LiVe LmAo
"how i made a shit tone and then octaved down the guitars to make up for it"
Post your mix then my dude
He does seem to have very much of a “whatever I’ll fix it later with more shit on top” process to mixing, but hey. If it works and he gets a nice result in the end I’m not complaining. I didn’t notice the octaved down guitars when listening to the track when it was first released, I just felt the guitars attacking my soul and destroying me, which, in the end, is the only thing that matters really.
I think this mentality of “if you can’t make do with what everyone is doing, you’re not good” is one of the main reasons a lot of music today (including metal) feels stagnant. I feel like the song was a lot better for it that he didn’t just nail the tone the usual way and kept it as one signal.
@@iurigrang to be honest, I hadn't noticed it either but now when I listen to it, I can't not hear it. I'm going to try this trick with one of my songs and see if there's a difference. I play In Drop F 432hz
the amount this guy swears. i would have to hire him to not talk if i was working with him.
You probably wouldn't make it too far in this world
boo fuckin hoo
@@MikeSkinnerAudio wow thats fucken rude to say
Shut up hater.