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Being a straight A student means nothing, if you cannot tell the difference between Good and Evil.
calvin eulalio it does mean something
Ray Rivera u missed the point
Imaginary vs reality, you mean :) No such thing as good vs evil.. Its all religion which is evil and useless; made for the weakminded, who are afraid of dying.
@@koilamaoh4238 I don't think there are terrorists who are afraid of dying, which is the problem. They are so certain on doing something "good". Now with information security I think people need to teach kids how to deal with the internet and what recruiting might look like, wether it be a possible terrorist or a pedofile luring you in. Kids need to lean about what types of conversations are red flags. Because the police can't arrest people when they initiate conversations with possible terrorists and pedofiles. So in a way we are not doing much preventitively.
It's a waste of time if you just want to be in a civilization that doesn't let you drive or work.
Their parents left a country like Bangladesh to London for living a better life while their children choose for a life worse country than Bangladesh! Irony
Leah White u get a better life but u leave your land your culture your sense of belonging its a double edged sword and now youre a neglected minority.
@@RaheelPervaiz123 your sense of belonging, culture and land is subjective.
Very true
ISIS propaganda
Brainwashing. Lets not be blind and blame just islam; although it has much more extreme and barbaric "rituals" tied with the religion, but all cults have corrupting systems and ideals when you look at its very core
Proof that grades aren't the ultimate sign of intelligence
exactly
@Chloe Scott I call it smart vs wise. Smart is what you know, wisdom is what you choose to do with what you know
True that, I got excellent grades in school, did good at uni too but I really don't think I'm that intelligent. I have done some royally stupid things in my life
No no, you spend enough time you will be good at school. These girls are not interrupted by a social life, so they sure can invest in school for that straight A record.
Allah is so happy by their move, lots of support to them for helping the ISIS. Hope they establish sharia and obey it. Alhamdulilah they will be blessed.
So, because some MEN can't control their sexual desires/eyes women should lock themselves up and decorate it as "modesty"? and not misogyny?
Both men and women have to be modest. But culture does put more pressure on women,pressure isn’t islamic
@@Ihavemadeit999 "pressure isn’t Islamic." Yes is absolutely is.
Do not conflate the issue of modesty with Islamic subservience. Woman are seen as less than, and absolutely treated so in Islam. They have no voice outside of the family, no voice in society and no voice in legal proceedings.
@@lancewright521 you are clearly wrong "O you who believe! let no people look down upon another people for the (latter) people may be better than they, nor let women (look down) upon other women" this is a quran verse about not judging others. putting pressure on women is judging so therefore it is wrong. stop misleading others about my religion and not showing any proof. i think you should study islam and then talk about it instead of not knowing anything but trying to speak on it
@@lancewright521 that misogyny doesn't have anything to do with islam, it has to do with conservative families. sure, they may use islam and the quran as an excuse for their behaviour, but it's no different than a conservative christian family excusing sexist or conservative views with the bible.
Religion mam
They didn't focus on the actual girls. They focused on the neighborhood.
EXACTLY
Because they caused such ignorance that led them to become extremist.
@@dionelreyes529 totally agree the community is to blame here its saudi arabia in london
This video made me understand them. The community they came from is strictly religious and with heavy double standards between men and women. Being ISIS brides doesn’t seem far off from the oppressive position they already lived within their communities.
@Carissa Wu that’s exactly what they did though.. showed their lifestyle & what influenced them to get trapped into ISIS’s ideologies … they lived in such a strict community where they don’t even teach that Islam has given many rights to women & where men don’t get called out for drinking for example, this community’s extreme teaching made them so vulnerable to ISIS.
Did they not learn about ISIS in school? Straight A student isn’t very impressive if the education material isn’t very good.
The problem is the exact thing they learned about in school was ISIS
Education doesn't necessarily make someone street smart.
As a student in year 10,
So you would expect that the education system improved by them,
But to answer your question,
No.
Through logic and common sense we know what ISIS is.
But are we learning about this in school?
No.
Some were manipulated.. that happens alot
Maybe she was just super religious
How can we expect equal rights in Afghanistan if woman can’t even be equal in London
The Jews have also many rules like the Muslims ... have a look in it
But the jews evolved.@@MB-ue9iz
@@MB-ue9izthose are the ultra-orthodox Jews and they are few and far between.
@@MB-ue9iz
Doesnt change the fact that Allah is the devil if there exists one.
🤣
Spoiler alert: this didn't end well. All were married as soon as they arrived to Isis fighters. 2 died in air strikes, already disillusioned and wanting to come home. Shamima survives in a refugee camp, her 3 children dead, her UK citizenship revoked. She is 21 and stateless.
9:12 I once saw a Muslim couple in Chicago with two children. The wife was covered head-to-toe in a black niqab, while the husband was wearing Dockers shorts, a t-shirt, and ray-ban sunglasses. I have some Muslim friends who, in college, openly drank alcohol, smoked weed, watched pornography, had sexual relations outside of marriage, and often made fun of their own religion. Ironically, many still expect their significant others and wives to live an ultraconservative lifestyle!
This i why I'm not religious
Well I have Muslim friends and I asked them about what you said, and they said. No they aren't Muslim
@@FartHeadStreet in india 20-30% muslim drink.... It is their choice
Learn the difference between culture and religion.
Diaz Az-Zahra they are both intertwined sooooo
i completely forgot this video was even about the three girls mentioned at the start
Yea
@@TheBudgetTraveller786 maybe so. But why, do they operate in this way? Why is a woman/female STILL [because this is/was true in many other cultures/ religions] considered less than their male counterparts? STILL?
@@TheBudgetTraveller786 what is their "pro zionist agenda" ??
The video focuses more on how bad Islam is and does not respect women... Seriously, I am a Muslim and these Muslims in the video are very strict. I mean, what is wrong with the music!
im late but your profile is from super mecha champions? :D
It's crazy how these women isn't even acknowledging their suppression rather happy & promoting this lifestyle.
They have been brainwashed since childhood
Well I mean this is the three people majority
They are brainwashed. Like that man who was telling that god will curse women who trim their eyebrows (its a hadith), and I can't believe that this fact is even considered by Muslim people. How can God "curse", and "curse" a women just because she is trimming eyebrows??? Bs. Their explanation is that if God gives you something you shouldn't remove it from your body. You should accept it instead of removing. But then they also practice "khatna" where they remove foreskin of a man's private organ, now why does this "God gave this thing to us so we shouldn't remove it from our body" thingy not applied here then ?
I'm pretty sure 2 of these girls died 1-2 years after leaving & one of them still refuses to acknowledge her fault & is basically demanding the British allow her back in now. The last girl only ended up at a refugee camp after being displaced, not because she willingly left ISIS
And Who's Suppressing them
You know I'm cool with being religious and conservative. I myself am very religious but what upsets me they do not hold the men to the same standard as the women. That is very, very upsetting. If a woman has to be modest then so do the men. Modesty isn't exclusive to one gender
To add to your point, anyone who counteracts this by saying it's culture not religion, nope it's both. The very fact that women are told to wear hijab and that their awrah is different from men is inequality. The BS reason they give for this is women are basically way too precious so they need to hide their beauty. All excuses to act possessive over women. Make men cover their hair and chest too then let's talk.
@@bangersmash342 preach!
@Kim Bel Your first comment is literally what I spoke of. Woman myself here, hijabis being modest is not my issue and yes it does not affect me. My problem is the different rules for men and women precisely and yes I criticise it in every society not just Islamic ones. Women have the absolute freedom to religiously or non religiously choose to wear modest clothing. I dress modestly myself. Let's not act like Muslim societies all over the world don't put more pressure about modesty upon women. Slight mistake by a hijabi and you crucify her. Muslim man and it's eh men are men. My point was not to tell women to show what they don't want to show, but calling upon men to do the same. I am calling out that the reason women were asked to cover more, which is to not attract men and protect their beauty. The sheer concept is archaic and puts the onus of attracting men on a woman's existence and body. Let's bring in the same rules for men. Then I'd say it's about modesty and not about controlling women. Again, I am not calling upon Muslim to expose themselves. I am asking for the same rules for men.
It is true that men and women are held to a different standard, and that is because whist all humans are equal, there are still fundamental things that differ us.
Men and women face different challenges, men can be more prone to arrogance (especially during the time before Islam) which is why men cannot wear jewellery (apart from 1 silver ring with a maximum of one stone), not allowed to wear silk, they are not advised to have thawbs (men wear) longer than their ankle (you know when you see monarchy and their robes would drag to the floor for example) this to avoid that opinion that you are better than someone else. -these are just a few examples.
Men still practise modesty by covering up from navel to knee.
Imagine that women’s rights only really came about in the west about 100 or so years ago, however Islam have been around hundreds of years and provided protection, security and rights that the women from the west was not able to have. The right to education for example (first university in the world was set up by a Muslim woman in Morocco), women have the rights to divorce, what ever money they have they have absolute choice to just spend it on their selves whist men have to use their money to provide for his family.
Unlike Christianity where “Eve” was told to have convinced Adam and herself to eat the fruit, and for hundreds of years women were blamed. This was never in the quarantine or any Islamic doctoring as they both made their their individually and no one was blamed.
There are many things that are misunderstood in Islam, but can be understood as long as you ask the right person as we know the media and internet in general is doing their best to show only the bad parts. (Reliable sources are so so so important in Islam, so when ever you ask anything always ask for evidence- please check all things I have mentioned, but of course it would be better to find reliable sources than just google.. so look at some books true quaranic verses)
Men are at the front of the mosque and women are the back because imagine seeing women bend over during prayer, it is unnecessary and can just be avoided by being at the back. Further more women’s places are smaller because genuinely less women come. Women generally prefer staying at home and listen to lectures at home, and that is absolutely fine. Whist men are highly encouraged to come to mosque. That is because imagine travelling back and forth 5 times a day to mosque to pray and having to stop everything you have to do each time, when you are absolutely fine to stay at home. (I hope that makes sense 🥲).
Whist I am not the most knowledgeable, I would be happy to answer any questions that I am sure the answer of!
Allah is so happy by their move, lots of support to them for helping the ISIS. Hope they establish sharia and obey it. Alhamdulilah they will be blessed.
"I feel Muslims are fully integrated" - Women can't participate in a Islamic run organized. That does not sound like integration to me.
uisce Fernandes that's exactly my point? You thick?
I know that is your point. It was a very good point indeed and I was just supporting it.
uisce Fernandes Sorry, I mis-understood. I apologize.
No problem and thanks
We are on the same side.
All the best to you.
No no no she said she felt that she was integated- not necessarily the community as a whole. At 6:05- "I feel as though I'm very fully integrated"
Lol, they wanted others to accept them but they don't accept others who don't follow Islam?
Urban Ronin it’s so sad, it’s too extreme. Me being a muslim, that’s really unacceptable and we should all accept everyone, Islamic or not
MaishaTheMemester Agree
you can say the same thing about christianity though
Lily Broussard There is always the person who mixes other religions into a conversation.
Urban Ronin We do accept all. Only radicals think not
Education is not about rote learning or grades , it’s about critical thinking , creativity and most importantly “empathy towards who are not like you”
I lived in east London for 2 years …. I ran away from there so fast. I thought if I wanted this life I might as well move to Saudi Arabia for more money and less rent. These freaks have completely taken over…
what happened that made you run away?
Why are the rights of religion placed higher than women's rights in the UK?
+Veroosh Tarot That is a great question.
Why are the rights of women placed higher than people's rights in the UK?
+Veroosh Tarot It is their decision, nothing is stopping them.
so progressive its regressive.
so progressive its oppressive
These women seem easily persuaded. They're very weak minded and have been taught to not think for themselves...very sad really. This is a narsistic mans perfect world...
those are few extremists I welcome you to visit Algeria were you can see Muslim women living and enjoying their life, religion is a lifestyle, for those women, it's their cultural background that prevents them from practicing life, not their Religion.
you have brainwashed by the media, trully muslim must protect women. read from the Qur'an, not from the media
arya yodha
Narcissistic and islamic is interchangeable lmao 😂
We can think for ourselves and are not easily persuaded. It’s not the religion that is the problem. It’s the very conservative beliefs of men that desire power who change the writings to make it seem like women are not equal. A true islamic scholar would know that women are equal to men.
The whole world isn't south london. Most people have values
It's like if you give a golden bowl to a begger, he still use it for begging
You mean, isko sone ka kattora dedo, phir bhi Beek hee mangege
What a sick world we live in 😓
“The sight of women running would be unacceptable” erm what? 🤣
Islam 101
@@OpinionatedChicken59 we have an expert lol.
Am Muslim in the UK and can confirm Violent Rainbow's findings
Are those what they call boobs?
taz santiago weirdo
"...maybe there's something going on in our communities..."
YOU THINK????!!!!
Omg that was rude and scary
I really feel outraged when most immigrants migrate to other Western countries n try to derange those countries. Why go to other countries when you can follow your radical views n practices in your country.
@Xi Jinping ❶ Why would somebody love an authoritarian Orwellian nightmare over democracy and freedom?
Those ‘western’ countries completely ruined theirs
@@Isaalicious Good
Why western countries allowed such people in the first place? Why were those or such people given citizenship?
@@Isaaliciousso you will get revenge on their children who allow you as refugees ?
I love the logo animation at the beginning. That's so clean, whoever worked on it. Sorry, had to call it out.
2000 years behind the rest of the world
Fun fact : They write right to left
You can see how 'progressive' they are
True
bruhmoment84 you just missed the joke
@@yabazyabacoffee it seems more like a very poor insult to me tbh
@@yabazyabacoffee And you have dead humour
This video isin't even about the girls
Right like wth
Hey we have the same profile pic
NO, IT'S NOT ABOUT THE GIRLS, IT'S ABOUT THE LIES OF SATAN.
GOOD
We don’t need em
Jihadi Brides sounds like the coolest indie band name ever
I find everything about this video horrifying.. I can’t believe this was filmed in England
"Most girls we met consider music to be sinful" Waw... It is interesting how they prey on people's guilt. Guilt is a powerful tool!
They try and make it your fault like you made them do it.
I am a Muslim and I listen to music. It's not a sin. Some guy one day just decided to say it was and now some other gullible Muslims believe it. I ain't one of them. God isn't cruel.
@@ridwanmohamed3241 of course
@@ridwanmohamed3241 It's not Haram. Only the music that has inappropriate lyrics in them is. And I don't listen to that kind of music.
@@ridwanmohamed3241 exactly, at the end of the day we shouldn't be trying to convince each other who's right and who's wrong that's for Allah to decide.
As a muslim, its so disappointing when Imam's preach more about women's modesty and purity than they do about the harassment that some men cause or the consequences of other things they promote. A religion is sole in its definition, but each teacher, each preacher, each imam etc. they frame it differently either to consciously or unconsciously push their own agenda or affirm their own beliefs.
Muslim ☪️ democracy lies on the of sword 🙄 blood. But in in quran, NO ,Not compel anyone ,or force,no compulsion q 2,256
Imagine ,ISIS implementation of shria laws, opposite 😳 side
Its good u leave the religion
That's what happens when you actually read the quran. Islam is a cancer on society and doesn't belong in the 21st century
Not all Muslims are Terrorist though most of them are Terrorist.
Things like this is happening in India now, 🤦♀️ in the state of Kerala,in southern India,4 Muslim girls, in which 3 were brainwashed and got converted into islam and they married a IS terrorists. They abandoned their family and country. When their IS terrorist husbands were killed in Afghanistan, these brides wants to return 😒, even their family in India, because of their love to their daughters are pleading to our PM and central government, to allow these girls inside India. 🤷♀️😑
Now?
These guys have been radicals for the past 1000 years in India.
When some governors here in America banned 'Sharia Law', I was a bit perplexed. But know I understand and I'm quite glad...
You obviously don’t understand it well enough
@@Isaaliciousdumb gullible American like most anyways as long as they’re white they can’t be lying right?
Not tryna be a jerk, but less then 25% of this was about the girls, including when they talked about her to her community members. Title was very misleading.
propoganda, they want more muslims in the u.s and europe, why would they want them to leave back to the middle east.
True
@@acidwaste00 can you explain why they would want more at the Us
alex c what??? 😂 what u just said doesn’t even make sense with what the comment said . Read more books kid
I just don't Understand Why they Continue Bashing Islam when it's Nothing to do with The Religion but the People and how they practice it.
Rabina Khan and 8:18 Zara prove That.
"I used to play drum kit when I was at school". As a drummer this breaks my heart.
Why lmao I'm a drummer too and it's nice that others play / played drums
Ginmhilleadh because she’s an isis wife
Shut the fack offff
Don’t break your heart its not that deep
Don’t be so sad, drums are one of only a few muslims can play with out much doubt
I’d like to see the politician fight the prejudices inside her community. Seeing the environment in which these girls are raised, there doesn’t seem to be much difference to Isis in the surface. That’s sad.
My sister was actually friends with one of them she refuses to tell me which one
"They were raised with strict religious value" ---- This is the main problem
Not really. They are taught to pray, study religion, help others, do good deeds, love neighbours and practice peace. What goes wrong is when one thinks of all the things that are “forbidden” and starts to believe the only way to be happy is to strip and drink all day while blasting music. It’s hard not to think social media and everyone around you is doing just that and silently judges when you don’t part take.
@@20somethingsworld97 those who are not taught religion, pray , help others , do good deeds are more natural than these puppet of others religious teacher.
@@sageofkalyug what do you mean by natural?
@rajini talaivar said by the elites who use other form of belief to put people under their control. Like marxism.
@@sageofkalyug yeah I’m not saying non religious people don’t do those things, just saying that people who do those things in the name of religion are told that they’re puppets and zombies for doing the exact same thing a non religious person would do when helping out, volunterring etc
the misogyny in this religion is crazy and i’m saying this from someone who has muslim parents
How so? I’m just curious as I’m not Muslim but from everyone I know who’s Muslim they say they treat everyone with respect and stuff.
H V thank you for defending my religion🙂🙂
H V respect in islam is way different than western respect.in islam respect is the woman never showing any skin,staying home all day to look after the kids and cook and clean while the male goes out and makes the money to fend for his family.the only ‘privelage’ a woman gets is that her husband must pay for everything.
hanna baker Is that what the Quran specifically says? It’s strange because I know muslim families that don’t necessarily follow that. They don’t all wear hijabs, some women are the breadwinners in their family etc. like there are Muslims against the whole idea that men should pay for everything or whatever.
H V yes the quran says nothing about women being independent it’s all about the men need to fend for the woman and the childeren that she has while the women looks after them
2:40 now I understand where these terrorism coming from thanks for opening my eyes
2:40
Who ever accepted any other religion other than Islam
It won't be accepted on the day of Judgement and you have to pay for it
And these people say that their religion is the most tolerant
The New York Times says that Indians don't have religious tolerance but will it cover the recent survey that says India is the most religious tolerant countries in the world
@@fna1013 Did you actually read the "Muslim scripture" ?
@@fna1013 With a bold claim like that, you should add proper sources. If you haven't read it yourself, that would go against your claim.
I don’t understand your concept, so if Allah sent us Quran as guidance and messengers and you still rejected , why do you feel you deserve to be rewarded with eternal paradise
WTF That’s London!!? I thought it was Syria !!!!!!
Renlentless Tourist you’re really sad
@@daniprentiss5193 I have been feeling a little down recently actually. I should start taking things one hour at a time.
Renlentless Tourist @FBI check this one out
That was also my first thought, never been in London.
Syria seems better for women (in government controlled areas of course)
I thought this was only going to be about those 3 girls wtf ;-;
Yep, got to try to make Islam(which has nothing to do with it)look bad. Good ole media.
@Ameya Naik ahahahahaha
King.K The Best seriously Islam has nothing to do with it? What’s the ‘I’ in ISIS??
@@eyeswydeshut359 Lmao ya'll wouldn't even have carpets if it wasn't for Muslims.
@@elio_fay Right cuz no one would have figured out that they could take the animal skins they were wearing and put them on the ground. What a break through. Someone watched way too much Aladin growing up. Lol Even IF they were the first ones to use the modern carpet, you think that justifies killing hundreds of millions of people because they don't worship your god? You're something else guy.
And when you talk about this radicalization in India, you will be labelled as a communal.
And ppl still defend islam and religion overall, religion is whats wrong with this world
True, every religion has bad things. Christianity is not better than Islam. And it causes hate and war.
@@justthecousinoftheguywitho2337 exactly
I am an atheist and I believe that religion in a sense of organized religion will be detrimental to humanity, especially Abrahamic religions which believe in Armageddon. I was born to reform Judaism and have many religious friends (I still even celebrate some Jewish holidays culturally) , but I believe humanity should turn away from organized religions and all their bad and embrace personal connection to their religion. People must be free from being born to a certain religion, and these religions of oppression, not just of apostates and other religions, but of the thoughts of their own members.
Why does London look really depressing. Anything that includes isis looks depressing
mlgwormtribe 2 yeah I agree isis brainwashing people in London is depressing.
ChrisGaming _TV It’s just one part of London. There’s still North, South and West.
Londonistan am I right
That’s a grim part of London
I'm from east London and I promise you it does not all look like this. this area is around Waltham Forest and lea bridge road. In this specific area there are serious issues with inequality and a lack of engagement between different communities leading to isolation, therefore causing opportunities for radicalisation. I went to school in the area and it's a stark difference to somewhere such as South Woodford that's just ten minutes car ride from there.
I think they even forgot what this documentary was about.
What do you want them to do the girls are dead, they have to move on and warn others in the community of their fate
I have to disagree. I think it was very good and very on point. cause it was never about the three girls who joined ISIS, the documentary was focused on their neighborhood and community in london. that neighborhood was a part of making them the way they were and that was the focus of the documentary. pretty good I'd say
@@Biobele Are u stupid their not all dead. We didnt need them to show this, this is clickbait.
they focus on cause of the problem
@@Biobele one I know is very much alive .....saw her in another documentary
“I'm not feeling well, I'm afraid” were Khadiza's last known words. She told that to her sister. She wanted to escape Syria and return to the UK, but knew that if she was caught trying to leave ISIS she would be beaten to death in public. Shortly after, all communications with her family suddenly stopped. She was killed in an airstrike that targeted the house she was in... She was 17 years old. She left London in February 2015, and by May 2016 she was already dead.
I can't imagine how her family felt after she left until they received the worst possible news. The stigma they probably live with and the pain of, at the end of the day, having lost a loved one whose body they will never be able to recover to give her a proper burial and mourn her.
There is always the: "Yes but..." reply.
I’m sorry but how can someone be cursed by trimming their eyebrows man wtf💀
next thing you know they are trimming their bush
tytube3001 what😂
I suggest your search about it and educate yourself instead of addressing it as a joke
Yh true but its coz your changing your appearance
@@nourarfa6021 we know it's hadith stating that god will curse women who trim their eyebrows or wear a weave , still dumb asf
It's so sad, the way they treat women seems completely unfair :(
( Έρις ) Not "seems", it is.
It really amazed me though that most women who are treated this way can't SEE how unfair it is..That's why I said seems, because to me it is extremely unfair but to them, women and men it seems ok!
ghostofdayinperson
+( Έρις ) Islam is a way of life. In Islam it is not allowed to mistreat a Muslim, be it man or woman.
Islam is a fascistic and abusive way of life.
ghostofdayinperson, Well i say you are a hater. And hate is a negative feeling, so be positive in life and smile.
Why would anybody wanna leave the UK anyway but these girls they were all educated n knew what they were doing.Begum had 2husbands an she wasn't 15 then.None of them should ever be able to come back
having straight a's doesn't help ignorance
This is so intriguing to me. Horrific but extremely intriguing. When someone’s mind is so clouded by religion that their every second of life is constantly thinking they are failing if they make a mistake, or constantly trying to make your god more proud... that’s horrifying to me. A god is suppose to be an all loving, all forgiving person. Clearly that’s not the case with the things people truly believe in. This is a big part of why I’m not religious. If there is a god, I know he sees the good I do, way more than the few “bad” things.
I get what you're saying but you can't really say what a God is "suppose to be like".....that's not really........... if you get what I'm saying
I feel bad for the people who are taught this from the time they are born. They never had a chance.
Allah is forgiving. This is one of His names, He knows we sin and with a sincere repentance He forgives us, sometimes we are afraid to mess up which is normal but we can turn back to our Lord.
Kace face read the Bible, Jesus died on the cross for you to be forgiven and because He loved you He took your punishement for you since you have broken God's law the 10 commandments.
Firat of all find your facts....thats our relwgion we love it by the way blend your eyeshadow in
Music is a gift from god. I’m sorry I couldn’t live a life without music. Pop rap and all modern music aside the beauty of a piano, the sound of gospel music are heavenly. There is a reason every race, creed, color people have music. There is a reason humans have the ability to make music it’s truly to language of the soul.
M Soda Well, we do sort of sing the Quran using our vocals.
Music isn't allowed if it's lyrically immoral and if it's accompanied by instruments.
M Soda amen to that!
Is it a sin to listen to music like Sarah Brightman & Andrea Bocelli - Time to Say Goodbye in Islam? Just wondering
- Sincerely a Christian.
Surely it's just an excuse, men and women should just control their feelings or libido or whatever. Classical music doesn't do that, it's not like rap or hip hop which can be quite sexual and uses bad language and is rude. The only reason why it's said to be bad is the same reason you want the women to wear the veil or the hajib, so the men don't need to 'control' their sexual urges!! But come on, you are an adult and you are meant to learn self control. You can just be good and not do anything bad. It's not music that's making you bad, it's because you choose to do something bad. You can choose to dislike something or not to do something but you can't force it on everyone.
+Al Hazen I mean but at this point I haven't met a single Muslim who doesn't listen to music.
Straight A’s but 0 common sense. Huge difference between the two.
British education has become about memorising facts and reciting them back. Its terrifying. These people get to university and think all they need to do is write down what the lecturer says and then regurgitate in an exam. They flatly refuse to analyse texts and draw their own conclusions (this is according to friends of mine who are academics). Nobody knows what to do about it.
I still don't understand why would anyone would want to join ISIS?
Son: Im going to school
*leaves note*
Dad: wheres jacob?
School: He joined isis
lol
Dad: where's Jacob?
School: he's now Yakub 😂
@D B lmao
@@dheerajb1883 💀
why would anyone..........
Fahad Shahid because sometimes when you’re really truly stupid you have to prove it to the world
tagabicolini pinay I know right?
Once muslim majority is in the uk you won't act so suprised
@@user-rr4cx6ik5o just because someone is stupid and belongs to a minority/group doesn't mean that all people of the minority are like them. Just think how many Muslims live in London and what they could have done if they were like these girls.
It’s like a country sized women’s prison over there.
Kerla story girls😢😢😢
imagine being so delusional
Don't even want to imagine this. God pls save everyone from this and especially their Kids, they have already become monsters.
You heard it here: If you trim your eyebrows you are SCREWED. Forever cursed lol.
lmfaooo
Lol but I have bushy eyebrows
Tsuzuki Song God gave you bushy brows, you must flaunt them appropriately otherwise you will have committed sin.
Melania Drumpf I do flaunt them but I just make sure they are not overgrown, which can happen if they aren’t waxed.
Tsuzuki Song YOU HAVE COMMITTED SIN! SIN! SIN!
2:40 wtf!?
I think its in every abrahamic religion that those that do not worship God won't enter heaven
Though admirable, the mental gymnastics that the moderates must juggle is incredible.
I grew up with a conservative immigrant family and lost my mind as a teen. I could not imagine being in this culture. I know I would have ran away from home. If I could barely tolerate my culture (which had similar views, but due to PC culture spreading world wide, there was more pressure to not be strict in public), I would have screamed and cried myself to sleep even more in this one. Feel very sorry for any girls in that culture who feel, somehow, that they cannot fit in. Maybe for some, that pushes them over the edge.
Positively Udo So they feeling stressed from their families conservative culture join a terrorist group that makes it a point of emphasis on how conservative it is and wants everyone to follow what they believe in by force? Yeah I'm sure that makes perfect sense.
Sorzin since when do stresses out people do things that make sense?
Islam is a really pretty religion its just the cultures and traditions that are making kids feel stressed about it
Positively Udo I believe stressed out people try to put themselves in less stressful situations or places with lots of relaxation or little to no stress.
Sorzin No. that’s what a well-adjusted person does... what do you think drug addicts are doing?
I loved watching that female politician hitting the streets trying to find the common ground.
she's only worth half as much as a man, so she actually lost by a much greater margin.
It is so annoying to see what has become of once-beautiful and once-awesome cities like London and Paris.
This is the Muslim conservatism that shocked me when I saw it first amongst the community in East London having moved to the uk from Bangladesh back in 2009. It is a hybrid ultra conservative version of Islam that is completely at odds with moderates in Bangladesh that I knew and grew up with. It is shocking and has led to such tragic consequences. Love Britain, see each other as humans and let’s integrate. However, I feel it’s already too late for many.
the muslims in east london arent even extremist
Theyre actually completely against what shamima begum did and hate terrorism
Ironically, I live in Bradford ( also known as Bradistan for obvious reasons) and I've seen so many Muslim women exercising and running in parks and no one had issues :D
I hate that ppl in UK are so racist just look at the football match
bruh just because you all dont do it that doesnt mean that this doesnt exist. these believes exists. instead of fighting for this kind of misogyny you are just defending yourself.
It seems that this mosque specifically is very extreme. These girls were groomed. It’s terrible
xd same i live in Bradford too and i'm muslim. I can deffo confirm that muslim girls are allowed to run whenever they want as long as we are covered modestly.
Bradfordstan ... it's more exact.
This is so saddening. I hate how their choices regarding their health, passions and appearance are rigidly restricted by these high ranking clerics. Their bodies, their choice. Their lives, their choice.
Their choice was to reject those opinions you just shared. So if you respect their choice, be quiet.
It's not by clerics.
It's religion itself that imposes it.
@@a10goesbrrrrrrrrrrt52 no its the teacher of the religion like at school u only learn what ur teachers teach you its no different
Not all Muslims are Terrorist though most of them are Terrorist.
@@danchinoloves7804its the religion of peace lol
Culture is oppression. Religion is peace.
How? Culture includes things like art, and religion has caused many wars in history.
Just the opposite, Religion is oppression.
Western culture is peace.
Deeply saddening seeing so many people who don't understand that religion itself is the problem.
9:22 Wow that’s a lot of trash that they threw on the floor >:(
@@cavinlevy not their job to pick up trash? ok.
Yeah disgusting i hate when people throw stuff in a clean beautiful park
ChadXeno lol if they threw it on the floor is it their job
We should send all the rubbish to Pakistan lol
Shamima Begum was feeling proud this time, now she's crying to come back 😂
yup. THREE dead infants...she's a real prize. there were already 2 dead when she stated she would do anything possible to get her 3rd baby to the UK... apparently except actually sending him there when she had the chance unless she could go with him. Not to mention when her citizenship got revoked she said her next option will be to go wait for her husband, in holland where he is a citizen. How does she NOT comprehend why there's issues with repatriating her when she still speaks of her isis soldier husband as if he's your average joe next door, just waiting for him to be released and they can be a happy little family again, minus 3 kids.
lion is my buddy 👍🏻👍🏻yes
For everyone calling this girl dumb, I just want you to know that young girls are very impressionable. Probably met an older man online who promised them a great life. They’re growing. They got stuck on the wrong path. Hopefully these girls can be saved, sending positive thoughts
4:13 "there is a curse upon the one who removes or trims their eyebrows"
me, at that exact time plucking stray hairs from my eyebrows: oh
Were they brainwashed? Why did they choose a organization that has no future. Can’t imagine what the family is going through.
she choose isis, she can stick with them
They were groomed, yes. Probably over a number of years, with the purpose of them ultimately becoming ISIS brides and being married off to anchor soldiers to the cause/provide new soldiers. The entire story is sickening. I can't imagine their families suffering.
Wow this comment is more radicalism
@@Fukallahnk Talibani bot spotted
@@user-yp9vb6gu5o disgusting
This is bone-chillingly frightening.
Islam isn't about forcing someone to accept it or slaughtering people or not talking to a man. Its way more than that. It's about helping people in need, loving people and letting them choose what they want. Our prophet Muhammad (s) used to respect women and their freedom. What about the deeds of men?? Those men are just talking about women and highlighting what they should do or not. It's not the way of Islam or Muhammad (s). It's not Islam what they are thinking it is. Educate yourself with Quran and sunnah not by listening to those men.
This vid gives bad rep to Muslims stg
Islam does it all on it's own.
Exactly always showing the bad things never the good wallahi
I’m a Muslim, but I’ll be damned if I ever let any of those men tell me what I can or can’t do. I only do what God commands me to do, and that is through the Quran. I only take my commands from the Quran, because I know those are God’s commands. Not the analytical opinions of humans. If I were you, I would stick to this advice. Be careful with whom you choose to listen too, or else.
allhamdullilah
Well are you not also interpreting the Quran as those who interpret it into the extreme? I'm not disavowing what your saying, I agree with what you said for the most part, but you should also recognize that if you only listen to one source than you can misinterpret the information
@patrick king I was actually referring to the original comment
It’s nice that you know more about your worth as a woman, but keep in mind the reality of these girls was different than yours. Not only they were groomed by extremists since they were no more than 15, they also came from communities that, by upholding “strict religious values”, undermined their worth as women and put heavy social and family pressures on them to conform to the unfair standards set for them in comparison to men.
In these kinds of communities, free-thought makes you a stranger.
Or just don’t follow any religion and live how you want to live. Don’t live through a fantasy
I’m a free human, free from my government and free from religion it feels good to be able to do anything you want to do, anything I want to wear anything I want to say. I’m free of judgment from my loved ones. I’m a free woman and every woman in this world deserves freedom from their religion and stereotypes.
why are people so intimidated by the hijab, its literally a piece of fabric. it is true Muslim women are oppressed, we are oppressed by people who see us as different and pressure us to change cause we do not fit the mold they classify free women into. The world boast about giving women right to choose how they dress and what they wear, yet victimize and punish us for doing just that. there are women who choose to wear the hijab and using feminism as a screen to oppress us and trying to force us to dress how its believed women should makes a lot of people no different from the Muslim men they say are oppressors.
I'm Also a free woman free to choose what i wear on my head and body, free to choose who sees my body and who doesn't, free to choose how i live my life, and free to do a million other things. SHOUT OUT TO US FREE WOMEN.
lets keep fighting the stereotypes!!!!
@@aisha6410 I applaud for you, the choice to have free will is "freedom"
@@aisha6410 hijab is disregarded for same reason swastika is, swastika was symbol of peace until nazis appeared and ruined it
@@ishdx9374 hijab is disregarded because of islamaphobes hijab is not their issue just anything Islam or Muslim and that’s the basic truth.
This is wild
Oh my Lord!! This is so sad !!!
Listening to hypocrite imam from a speaker is Ok
Listening to music from a speaker is NOT OK
Music is allowed
Music is allowed when the music does not contain bad words drugs sexualizing of women
@@jakayyyyyy6151 any charter saying so???
Who r they to dictate terms on what to listen and what not to ??🤡
I am a Muslim and I love music.. In fact, my country is famous for music. Don't be fooled by this video about Islam.. These people are strict and this is not a good thing.
@@ovovovovovov2524 which country? 😊 just asking
Them - "the sight of women running is deemed unacceptable"
Me - boxing day bishhh
Photo graphy is haram, makeup haram , plucking eyebrows haram, doing job is haram,playing is haram, education is haram, donation of blood and organs is haram,every good thing is haram
Women's are just slave in islam
This video is literally like a fever dream.
If these people are so into Saudi Arabia life style , why are you in London ? Why are you torturing yourself to stay a open society ? To enjoy the western facilities ? Just stay in Middle East will be perfect option for you right ?
well u can’t tell them to stay in the Middle East because not all Muslims are from Arab countries or the Middle East
"They were brought up in a strict religious environment, struggling to find where they belong".... so they joined ISIS where they could fully practice what was preached. There's no question of how they were radicalized, or their motivation. The only thing stopping them (atm) fulfilling their religious obligations in London is what's left of England's democracy.
Bee Bee it’s a sin in Islam to force someone to do something they don’t want to do please don’t speak if you know nothing about Islam and ISIS. Your being rude for no reason.
EllieA World shut up, @Bee Bee is just stating the truth. Did you even watch the video??
Ananya yes I am talking about Islam not this video
Ananya basically I am saying what the parents are doing has nothing in Islam bc you can force someone to do someThing they don’t want to do ! I am saying it’s not Islam it’s her parents !
ruclips.net/video/qv1cWoa-N_U/видео.html
I wanted to hear more about the story of the girls in the beginning
She's still a danger for every citizen
BRUH WHO SAID WE CANT EXERCISE?
i go out and run EVERYDAYYYY HERE IN THE MIDDLE EAST
Exactly. I live in Sudan and we exercise whenever we want. No one Ever stopped us.
It varies from one area to another.
Good luck trying to exercise in the streets of SA for example
You are just a rare exception 😂
IKR,,these weirdos
I think they meant people with hijab.
If you honestly think that ISIS represents Islam: I will gladly tell you that ISIS has destroyed a Mosque in Mecca. Mecca is the holiest city for Muslims. And btw, trimming eyebrows is interpreted differently, but when people to follow the rule, it is for man and women. And yes, Muslim women can run. Basically anything you heard in this video was false.
Well said
My bruddddaaaa
This video was about how one can be brainwashed with the name of islam. I believe who ever had chosen the dark path 5 years ago to join has already learnt their mistake either by giving their life or by ending up in a prison.
@@aperson9375 I agree but I also think that the framing of this video is rather negative on conservative Islam by blurring the lines between extremism and conservatism. In the already liberal and generally secular point of view of the Western world, conservatism already has a tendency to be linked to a 'backward' ideology.
For example, the arrangement of the women's prayer room to be behind the men's is nowhere near to be ultra-conservative, it is just the general consensus of conservative Islamic teaching. Adding ultra is not simply inaccurate but it also suggests that it is abnormal, even for the conservative world and thus implies that it is somehow connected to extremist ideology. Similarly, the concept of men being allows to do various stuff like drinking alcohol while women couldn't in a video that focuses a lot on conservatism, IMO is bordering deceiving except for the fact that I don't think it is intentionally done, as conservative Islam prohibits men and women from drinking.
I am fully aware that in some places, men get away from a whole lot of stuff which are prohibited to both men and women (extramarital intercourse for example, in many places punishes the women alone when both are equally in the wrong if it is consensual) but this is far from being conservative but is instead more culturally influenced.
This isn't a critique against you, btw. I fully agree with your point and I think it's a shame that a video like this is framed in this manner because if done more accurately, it can be a teaching point for many people, Muslims included. Instead, I have a feeling a lot of conservative Muslims would look at this video and either be offended at the inaccuracies or just dismiss it as another 'Western point of view'. In an extreme case, they might even be encouraged to join an extremist group because of the whole 'a drastic action has to be done' excuse which for one, is just wrong and it is at least a nuisance to the rest of us, at the most may even put our lives and practice of our faith at risk, but another is just heartbreaking when this ideology is adopted by someone you love.
yea trimming your eyebrows is mostly a men thing but women do it for beauty and such
Man she came so close!
We used to live across the street from a mosque like that with the women's entrance in the back. Wow. We just didnt' know what that place was.
England should wake up now !!! Its High time now
I’m sure within a day of being there, having never lived under such oppression, they regret their decisions.
now if understand your grades doesn't matter if you can't differentiate good and bad
It’s easy to take a step back and enjoy life without any other responsibilities but taking care of the family.