Is He Who Remains, Kang The Conqueror, and Victor Timely the same person?
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- Опубликовано: 18 окт 2024
- I'll break down every single detail for those who didn't know Victor Timely's origin. And, for those complaining about 31st and 18th are not the same, yes, I'm aware that the 31st century isn't the same as the 18th century; I just assumed you guys already knew who Victor really was.
Victor Timely was once named Nathaniel Richards, who lived in the future, technically the 31st century.
He was bored in his current timeline, so he used Dr. Doom's time platform (a time machine, as we know) to travel back to ancient Egypt.
He called himself by a new name, "Rama Tut," the one we saw in the Quantumania post-credit scene, the pharaoh. At that time, the Fantastic Four defeated him. He then tried to go back to his own time but ended up landing in the 20th century by mistake. He started to call himself a new name again, "Scarlet Centurion," because he wore a scarlet armor copied from Dr. Doom's armor. In this timeline, he was defeated again, by the Avengers. He decided again to flee back to his own time but exceeded a thousand years by accident. This time he called himself 'Kang the Conqueror' and traveled in every single timeline trying to conquer everything.
Then he landed in Chronopolis and planned to go to a time that he could manipulate the 20th century by influencing the technology so he could control everything. So, he traveled back in time to the late 18th century (the thing you only see in the series because you are not reading comics), and this time he named himself "Victor Timely."
Now, if you remember, the Kang who was given the TVA handbook was in the "SACRED TIMELINE," but the Victor Timely introduced to us was from a "BRANCH TIMELINE."
I hope now you will understand why Miss Minutes always says that it was He Who Remains' plan. I'm tired of explaining; please do your research. I think I deserve a 'Like' and 'Subscribe' for making things clear. THANK YOU!"
Unveiling the Multiverse's Enigma: He Who Remains, Kang, and Victor Timely
Prepare to have your mind blown as we delve into the mind-bending revelation about these three enigmatic characters in the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
Did you know that He Who Remains, Kang The Conqueror, and Victor Timely are, in fact, one person at different points in his life? The evidence is nothing short of astonishing.
He Who Remains dropped a bombshell, revealing that a variant of himself lived on Earth in the 31st century, known as Victor Timely. This revelation piqued our curiosity and sent us on a quest to unravel the intricate connections between these identities.
He harnessed the power of the formidable creature Alioth and weaponized it, effectively ending the Multiversal war. The link between He Who Remains and Victor Timely becomes clearer as we connect the dots.
But that's not all. When Loki dared to ask the question that had been on our minds, "Then what are you so afraid of?" He Who Remains gave an answer that echoed Kang's chilling words in 'Quantumania': "They exiled me, down here. They're afraid of me." The pieces of the puzzle fall into place.
He Who Remains has been known by many names throughout his vast existence: a ruler, a conqueror, He Who Remains, a jerk, and more. It's a testament to the complexity of his character and his ever-evolving journey.
Join us as we navigate the labyrinth of time and identity, exploring how He Who Remains, Kang, and Victor Timely are intertwined in the grand tapestry of the Marvel Multiverse. It's a story of transformation, power, and the enigma of a character who wears many faces.
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I'll break down every single detail for those who didn't know Victor Timely's origin. And, for those complaining about 31st and 18th are not the same.
Yes, I'm aware that the 31st century isn't the same as the 18th century; I just assumed you guys already knew who Victor really was.
Victor Timely was once named Nathaniel Richards, who lived in the future, technically the 31st century.
He was bored in his current timeline, so he used Dr. Doom's time platform (a time machine, as we know) to travel back to ancient Egypt.
He called himself by a new name, "Rama Tut," maybe the one we saw in the Quantumania post-credit scene, the pharaoh.
At that time, the Fantastic Four defeated him. He then tried to go back to his own time but ended up landing in the 20th century by mistake.
Dude the 31st century is in the future bro 💀
Thank you so much for 4k likes!
Yah, I explained this in the pinned comment, but since Victor died maybe this is not the case.
@skarletVVitch HWR is a variant. If you listen closely to when HWR is speaking with Loki and Sylvie; he says the 1st variant discovered Alioth, then he speaks in the 1st person about weaponzing it. I take that as confirmation as he being the first variant.
The Nathaniel Richards he referred to as discovering the stacked realities in the 31st century, was not him because he spoke in the 3rd person, and not as himself.
The Nathaniel Richards of the MCU timeline hasn't been born yet for another millenia.
The Victor Timely we saw was a variant who was from the 19th century, not the 31st, obviously.
@@HeroVerseClipsOfficialeveryone dies it's a time loop in the newest episode it'll all lead back but Loki will have his memories and he will go through space and time like he did originally
Facts
He's using it in the past tense though, cause his past is their future
What I like about him is he is basically the sanest version of all of them and there are an infinite number of him.
Exactly
Except in Loki season 2. Victor Timely was from the 19th Century. However... Nathaniel Richards was living on earth in the 31st Century.
Past , present and future concept not work there. Loki created multiverse technically because he who remains deleted all time lines and make sure that only one time line exist but loki provides free will to all time line and there multiverse creates and all kang variants born. In series loki create multiverse after new york event but the multiverse tree already shown in captain America movie how thats in the past right? So basically where tva exit there past, present and future concept not exist.
Well in the last episode, the tva was removing all variants except for one, Victor Timely, the one that remains.
@@Danimal.69 victor timely is not he who remains. If you watch season 1 loki he who remains said that he is from 31st century
@@Chadhim go to season 2 ep 3 and you notice that the book was given to a child on the scared timeline and the victor that they pick up is on a branch timeline. It quite possible that the branch time line was he that remains
@@Danimal.69 nah victor is kang variant that's it.
Ah yes, the 1800s, aka the 31st century.
You know, the century before the 20th
Exactly, these people who make shorts know nothing. They just make random bullshit for views and ad revenue
@@davindersingh6731it's not random!
They rely too much on the comics and the MCU is pretty much a bit different!
He said “his variant” live in 31st century. Not him.
The original variant was in 31st century but when he was killed in loki season 1, he tasked up 18th century different variant to set loki on path for season 2
I thought that until Victor Timely got turned into spaghetti
It is still him but from an alternative Timeline
His death and Ravona's death were so Quick, probably to make us think Victor died but probably was send to the 31st century and became Kang AT this moment and will become He who remains After all
Victor Timely will come back in next episode because again Loki will time slip and they will restart again same process.
@@maximebarbier2520Ravona didn't die she is in the void as shown in season one that all the pruned variants were sent to void
Violent deaths like that don't mean anything. He could still be alive in some alternate dimension. He who remains wanted everything to go as it did when Renslayer gave him the TVA handbook.
it's almost like they have same faces!
Actually they literally use the same actor Jonathan Majors
@@HeroVerseClipsOfficialhahaha, he was being sarcastic.
@@JustARandomSomethingI guess he was as well 😅
@@ellenlnmusicI guess he was as well 😅
@@HeroVerseClipsOfficiallearn sarcasm
Bro I know this is unrelated but Kang’s suit in Ant Man 3 is actually fire 🔥
Because that's Kang the conqueror's suit; the ONLY kang
I’m only liking this video so the algorithm gives me more mcu stuff lol
Yes you're the only one
This theory doesn’t make sense on a number on levels. The scars have a back story, different Kangs have normally 2 different suits, a robe as seen on He who remains, and then the armor suit as seen on Kang the conqueror. The reason there’s only one He who remains is because he lets other do the work, he’s not a fighter, he’s a scientist, Kang the conqueror isn’t meant to be HWR because he’s a fighter risking his life and will eventually meet his demise like the other variants. The real HWR will not put his life in danger and let everyone else die before he does, in the end, it is He Who Remains. Not only that but Victor timely is old fashioned and nice, Kang the conqueror is the literal opposite. All of his variants want to destroy their variant counterparts, this is not how you would end up to be He Who Remains. Lastly, if Kang the conqueror was HWR he wouldn’t of been exiled, HWR would never put himself in that position, making him look like the target.
Ur a dummy he who remains is powerful asking same powers same person fool
My theory is Victor timely is from 18th century , when he tries to insert that multi versal whatever thingy to expand the loom , he gets sent to 31st century and all the knowledge till that time. And there he is focused to get back and help the TVA and then he manages to save it. Then everything goes to shreds and then he understands that the TVA must start over again making a loop , then he resets everyone's memory and kills our loki and sylvie and then starts over again.
He is destroyed by the radioaction in the loom. He wasn't sent anywhere 🧐
@@muzaffergns2329 we saw him get turn into spaghetti. Just like loki , except it was quick af. O.B said that u become old when affected by it. What if you don't become old but just get thrown into the void or somewhere.
@@muzaffergns2329have you not watched episode 5? Loki is gonna prevent it
I think a young infant Victor timely was plucked out of the 31st century and placed into the 18th century by Loki god of stories.
@liptonicetea274 it's Nathaniel Richard's. That's the 31st century Variant of Kang.
Nope, its a variant. He even sait is himself. A Variant is a different version of a Person, but NOT the same person
Glad I'm not the only that knows this
Are you a variant of me?
Like all the Peter Parker being Spider-man too ! Samething but different lol
Victor and HWR is not the same
1. Event don't take place in 31st and 18th century at the same time.
2. If in any case, that Kang time travelled, it still wouldn't be Victor, because Vic found the TVA Guidebook as a kid.
3. HWR may have involved Victor in his place, in order for him to get back in place. A butterfly effect, so per say.
When he who remains explains about harnessing Alioth, the action figure is wearing glasses just like Timely.
This makes a lot of sense can’t wait to see kang in the future hopefully it’s still Johnathan majors he plays the role perfectly hopefully the legal trouble can get all cleared up soon 😊
Kang out here personifying the 7 stages of grief
Lol
My Man just woked up 🥱🥱
No, their Kang's from different universes, He Who Remains was the one who won the Multiversal War.
To those who are not paying attention all kangs are he who remains at different times of his life that made different choices that lead to different branches in time.
Exactly. So not all the same version of Kang. This short is dumb.
Wow did chatgpt did this? Bro didn’t even knew that 31st century is in the future wtf
In the first season they say he’s from the 31st century, in the second they say the 19th or 18th I forget.
So he’s not wrong, it’s just they never explained the discrepancy in the show. I’m assuming HWR placed a variant in the past so his plan would work.
Dude victor was in 19th century 😂😂
I like how he says "jerk" last. 😂
Why the hell is there Harry Potter music in the background?????
It's bugging me too , lol
This is the best series I've ever seen
Victor timely was not from the 31st century didn't even have the technology he needed
BROS ONTO NOTHING🔥🔥🔥🔊🔊🔊🔥🔥❗️❗️
I think it was mentioned by Mobius that the Kang from Earth 616 was handled already. I think this was an indication that He Who Remains and Kang 616 are different person
And there will be a paradox if Victor and He Who Remain are the same, if we include OB and TVA Handbook in this topic.
Bro got flicked by Living Tribunal
It’s almost like the films and shows directly explain this
The only way I see this making sense is when Loki took centuries to learn everything there is to know about the TVA HANDBOOK
The Harry Potter music in the back 💀
What He Who Remain Talking Is 31st Century Means It's 3000 AD And In Loki Is 1890 AD They Are Not Same Year Why People Asume It's The Same Correct Me If I'm Wrong🤔🤔
No dummies. He’s talking about Nathanial Reed. Y’all didn’t read the comics huh?
@@KayRan318 There's no such thing as "Nathanial Reed" in Marvel, especially in comics. Maybe you're talking about Nathaniel Richards, but he's white, neighbour.
@@LureXXXIV Yeah I messed up the name, but that’s him in the future. Did you read the comics? I’m not gonna explain it when it’s literal comics staring this.
it started a Loop 🫰
I'll break down every single detail for you who didn't know Victor Timely's origin.
Victor Timely was once named Nathaniel Richards, who lived in the future, technically the 31st century.
He was bored in his current timeline, so he used Dr. Doom's time platform (a time machine, as we know) to travel back to ancient Egypt.
He called himself by a new name, "Rama Tut," the one we saw in the Quantumania post-credit scene, the pharaoh. At that time, the Fantastic Four defeated him. He then tried to go back to his own time but ended up landing in the 20th century by mistake. He started to call himself a new name again, "Scarlet Centurion," because he wore a scarlet armor copied from Dr. Doom's armor. In this timeline, he was defeated again, by the Avengers. He decided again to flee back to his own time but exceeded a thousand years by accident. This time he called himself 'Kang the Conqueror' and traveled in every single timeline trying to conquer everything.
Then he landed in Chronopolis and planned to go to a time that he could manipulate the 20th century by influencing the technology so he could control everything. So, he traveled back in time to the late 18th century (the thing you only see in the series because you are not reading comics), and this time he named himself "Victor Timely."
Now, if you remember, the Kang who was given the TVA handbook was in the "SACRED TIMELINE," but the Victor Timely introduced to us was from a "BRANCH TIMELINE."
I hope now you will understand why Miss Minutes always says that it was He Who Remains' plan. I'm tired of explaining; please do your research. I think I deserve a 'Like' and 'Subscribe' for making things clear. THANK YOU!
If they gave kang a tv show it would be good if they let the ones who directed loki cause it was good the way loki becomes the God of stories
*seing Kang the conqueror
- Harry poter theme drops
Perhaps He Who Remains Kidnapped Victor from 31'st Century to the past as a baby, put it into another family to grow up, and protect him for his variants whos never found it in the past, then Victor was his backup variant to become He Who Remains and restore AVT
You mean TVA.
AVT is a famous tea company in India😂
Maybe Loki kidnapped him and it's a never ending cycle
They mention alot about ouroboro and the timeline being infinite.
If he who remains dies, Loki must becomes God of stories and if Loki dies He who remains comes alive.
Now that Loki is the god of stories at the cost of saving his friends the timeline is infinitely branching and nobody is stopping the Kang variants.
Later down the timeline Loki will probably realise / or meets a greater threat that requires He who remains to come back alive, therefore loki kidnaps 31st century Victor so that he could be send back to an earlier times and be ahead of all the other Kang's variant by possibly building the TVA to prune the branches preventing the other Kang variants from existing.
But eventually they will cross that threshold again...Because of Syvie lol
Harry Loki: and the end of time with He Who Remains
Had a stroke trying to listen to the captions
“You’re a conqueror, Harry.” 🙃
Dude casually forgetting how we literally saw child Victor Timeley growing up in the 19th century 💀
Love the Harry Potter theme music
Harry potter to Kang : Is that you Voldemort ☠️💀🤣
Who else noticed the harry potter music?
Me😅
who can forget that in first place ^^
Ah, 1800's, the good 'ol 31st century.
Theory, Kang from Ant Man didn’t in fact died, but send to the end of time aka-where He Who Remains is.
Since his “death” is relative to quantum and time related and by being “out of time” in the end of time, other Kangs variantes couldn’t track him and thought he was dead.
Meaning that, now having infinity amount of timelines instead of just realities to conquer he knew he could just control everything himself and being the most powerful being in an out of time.
However now controlling time, Kang needed a way to control everything, everywhere at every time, that’s why he created the TVA to help him prune timelines that for him were a treat to the fulfillment of his throne.
But in the end, controlling time has its pros and cons, for example, seeing the future. Kang or He Who Remains, knew that one variant of Loki would take over the throne of time, but he didn’t know how. To assure his victory in any case he created that plan after his death portrayed in Loki, that also implied his future self to being death so his other variants would take care of the new holder of time aka Loki.
If Kang moved at varying rates of speed / time like you edited that one clip, he would be a lot more surreal and terrifying
Every version of kang is only one kang at different points in his life such as Rama tut, scarlet centurion, immortus and such
that can be true but miss minutes said victor never can be he who remains
and he who remains said victor was his variant
kang can’t be he who remains past because he’s dead
if kang is not dead and he used his technologies to go to the future became he who remains why other variants approved he’s dead
but i think kang will return in the future movie’s or kang dynasty because other variants named kang is boring
Anybody thik why he who remain told loki and sylvi about victor timely. It could be his plan to return in TVA and it worked🙏🙏🙏
My theory is that He Who Remains somehow bring his baby variant to 19th century so he wouldn’t became another HWR/Kang thanks to lack of technology. However He Who Remains kept him(Victor Timely) alive so he would replace him in case of his death. Victor Timely can be next HWR only if he has the TVA handbook.
I think they’re gonna do a rick and morty by saying he isolated the timelines in which he’s victorious from those he lost in.
Can't wait for Avengers: Kang Dynasty ❤
he's talking a different version of himself
Bro tired to cook and burnt down the kitchen
Variant are from different timelines/universe not the same
This didn't age well.
Just tell me how they showed Sylvie easily threw the desk and with no efforts killed "He who remains". Why he allowed her to do so? I mean He who remains controlled all his dangerous varient but without any efforts he allowed Sylvie to kill him? I think He must have a catch or his plan!
Remember He said we crossed the threshold. So he didn't know what would happen next (which is a lie because Loki episode 6 will show that)
He said he was tired,who knows how long he stayed there in the citadel.your right he LET her kill him.
@@nerdlord2288he who remains knew everything
He studied, under the great Aizen
Worked that out easily watching loki season 2 mind you it helps when you've watched all other marvel film and series
Aside from the 31st century being in the future- I thought this was common knowledge for anyone who has watched Loki
This video is way off tbh. The way I understand it from the show if I recall correctly , victor timely is destined to become HWR, but obviously Loki stops that, Quantumania Kang is a completely different variant( people really still don’t understand variants yet smh). The reason HWR says he has been called a conqueror is him referring to his variants. Did i miss anything?
Ok so one key important thing is he said he came across alaoth n he weaponized it to end the war. Now we saw Ravona at the void encountering alaoth. What if Victor was suppose to be pruned so he can find alaoth n make it a weapon to escape the void by becoming he who remains at the end of time.
Now that Victor's path never sees him come into contact with the tva book. Ravona can be the one that weaponizes alaoth n she could be a very powerful foe come secret wars.
Victor Timely is Kang's great grandfather. He is considered a crook, so when Kang shows up to finish the equations, most of the work is already done
The very thing in this series is time runs in a circle. So in the way the present is future of the past sorta way.
Thus in the future many kangs meet from multiverse and multiple timelines and the war happens then one of the remaining kang creates the failsafe for sacred timeline and TVA which in itself becomes a circle or outside time when Loki comes and creates branches again. Thus creating multiverse kang wars.. leading to one restoring TVA and that keeps happening in repeat.
Yes we did know, it was stated in the episode.
I like how he says I've been called by many names. Kang the conqueror, he who remains, jerk😂😂😂
Right. Do we know who it was that called him that? I sure hope it was Janet van Dyne😂😂
@@stopdalies idk but it's funny
Dude is RICK in Marvel 😂😂😂
Wait whaaaaaaa
Yah, Same reaction when we figure out 😅
I think Victor Timely is Kang the Conquer, listen to the similar candences, one that He Who Remains doesn't have. When Victor was about to be killed by Sophi, something changed in him. He decided that he wouldn't let anyone try to stop his progress ever again. Hence him trying to kill all of his variants, and thusly the different Avengers.
Jerk was personal 😂
Its wrong. He who remains is from the 31st century while Victor is from 18th centrury. He who remains knew he would die so he prepared Vitor to become the new He who remains
I already explain this on thge pinned comment thanks
Now that’s a good theory.
Kang is my favorite character
EVERYONE READ THE COMICS , its obvious that the 31st Century is in the future but the original "Kang" from the 31st century screwed up his time jump in a time machine and ended up going back to the 1800s, so Same Variant, different time period
Victor Timely is actually not him, but yet just another variant to confuse the everyone
Its amazing how confidently wrong someone can be
Yes, he is the same person from different times, almost like the show tells us this shocker
They are completely different person bro they r not from different times they r from different universe. We can say same person from different universe but we cannot say same person from different time.
Victor timely and kang r actually different variants however kang and he who remains are the same variant
Side note: a variant isn’t them from a different point in time it’s them in a different universe
Loki season 2 will disclose all the doubts
Ren slayer could be a variant of Kang as you seen at the end of Loki season 2 she was banished and first encountered the alioth
Look at the way they are blinking their eyes. Seems pretty similar to me
But oroborus tell the TVA handbook wrote by 19th century victor
Bro living in the 31st century
Yeah, he’s just the simple Rick of the citidel of Ricks.
Facts. Ep 4 of loki s2 gave it away. Timely stuck his head in that machine and it said he who remains not victor timely
As we know TVA is build by He who remains not Victor Timely.
Victor Timely was in the 18th Century, not the 31st. That's Reed Richards' descendant, Nathaniel Richards.
Loki season 1&2 best on Disney plus pure acting and action and has you on edge of your couch or chair or bed it's the best Marvel work in a couple of years even better than some actual Marvel movies
Victor Timely is the real one because he was from the Sacred Timeline. He Who Remains planned to kill Victor Timely in TVA so the variants of Victor would come to existence.
Bro victor timely lived in 19 century not 31
Ah yes, read the pinned comment. I explained this already. Thank you
@@HeroVerseClipsOfficialit doesn’t explain anything it just makes you look dumber
During the multiversal war , he killed so many Avengers and people
The Kang in quantamania is the past of the Kang in Loki season 1
The Kang variant he who remains was talking about was himself… not timely, the variant that tamed alioth and was from the 31st century was Nathaniel Richards, he who remains was supposed to remain Victor timely is a back up it’s not who he was
What if HWR’s plan was to intentionally let Loki unleash the multiverse. By doing so it would cause the inevitable multiversal war between the Kangs which I’m assuming we will see in Kang dynasty. That way HWR can win the multiversal war once again and put himself on the throne at the end of time, aka it was all one massive time loop. I’m not quite sure how it would lead into secret wars, but having HWR “win” in Kang dynasty by him winning the multiversal war to repeat the time loop would be one hell of a cliffhanger and a rediculous issue for the Avengers to solve in the next movie.
One of the last shots, The timley varient ends up never getting the book, neber putting him on the road to becoming a scientist. Timely isnt HWR or KANG. Hes "normal" now.
Victor Timley is from 1860 and not from the 31st century . "He who remains" which was killed by Silvey is also not the one from 31st century. We still don't know who actually was " He who Remains" except the fact that he too is a variant.
Bro, Victor Timely lived in the 19th century lmao. Not even close to the 31st century. If i had to guess, maybe it was Kang The Conqueror, instead of Victor Timely. Cause Kang The Conqueror has the technology that actually looks like its from the 31st century.
I already explain this on the pinned comment
The 31st century in another universe could be very different.
Something that we already know
Victory timley the kang who lived has come to die........ avada kedavra
I hate marvel for not making him the winner in the loki 2 finally
Victor was not the same he was a variant that could become another HWR.
He referred to Victor as a different person. "What did Victor tell you"?
Not ," what did I tell you?"
Kang and other variants have scars on both sides of their faces, which he who remains (HWR) doesn't so it seems Kang is future of HWR but since he had sent TVA book to his past in future when Miss Time says he sent it when his end of near, this means victor timely and HWR can be one person but not Kang or maybe something like Dark happened when time splits
You got it all wrong from the beginning, bro. Victor was in the 19th century, not in the 31st. And He Who Remains says that VARIANT of him was living in the 31st century, so it's not exactly him from the future, but it's other him.
3 different variants. Its like saying loki and silvy are the same person just different points in their life