Part 1 of 2: Misha Mansoor's Drum Programming Tips
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- Опубликовано: 21 авг 2024
- In this two part series, I go over some tips and tricks on how I go about programming drums. This video covers some basic fundamentals, while Part 2 will go a little more in-depth.
Part 2 available here: • Part 2 of 2: Misha Man...
Don't mind me just some markups.
1:22 Mapping
2:46 Basic
4:18 Basic Kick Snare
8:53 Shuffle
9:46 Shuffle Kick Snare
12:47 +Ghost Snare + Ride Bell/Tip
13:21 +Crash Cymbals
When programming drums I always assume my drummer is an octopus
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This comment is underrated haha
Misha, as an aspiring prog artist with no literal friends who listen to the genre or are aficionados like I am, this is a god send. Drummers are a rarity, and I don't know anyone willing to play something other than metallica covers. I Just got an axe fx2, and looking to get FRFR's but I'm almost always broke. Thanks so much for this. Looking forward to what you put out next.
I am a prog drummer, but I know them feels man. I know about 2 other people who like prog...
Karl Dutschke
Seems like this is always the case... Same here
We should start an internet band... Same way the safety fire handled their first release, we could send files back and forth?
I drum prog, too...let me know if you need anyone else involved if you do end up sharing files!
7 years of experience with dirty growls n shit if its what you guys are into.
Misha, man, you're a natural at this shit. Explaining things, walkthroughs ect. You have a pleasant speaking voice, and a nice, calm demeanor. And you don't act as if you're a know-it-all. We appreciate it.
Thanks so much for doing this, I think last video myself and many people requested this. Can't wait for Part 2, and to use all this new info!
Don't lie, you can wait.
*need to wait. :P
oh, hi.
jparecki95 Reviving old thread because lel
#shrekt
Misha is so thoughtful to have considered everyone into his mind
Great video. It makes a lot more sense to me now and takes some of the fear and intimidation of programming drums out of the recording process.
we need a sound placing and mixing tips video too!
Dood. Just wanted to say that I'm very thankful and grateful that you take the time to show us how you do your thing. It's very awesome of you to set time aside to help us bedroom producers. Much appreciated!
"You need to know what's possible with 4 limbs"
Puts two ghost notes directly in front of a double cymbal hit
I mean matt could probably do it
Just stumbled on this channel, and I don't think I've seen anybody on RUclips that explains real world drum programming this well. The ghost note thing blew my mind. Please keep dropping more stuff on us like this. It's greatly appreciated!!!!
Getting good workflow is key, too. I like to define a basic beat which occupies just one bar. Name it BeatA-01. Make a copy, edit it a little to make a couple of small variations (extra notes, fewer notes twiddle velocities slightly), name it BeatA-02. Make a copy of BeatA-01, make some different variations, call that BeatA-03. Copy BeatA-01 again, and in the last 1 or 2 beat, delete all the notes and add a fill. Call it BeatA-F1. Repeat the last step a few times to get BeatA-F2, BeatA-F3... with each of the fills as different as possible.
Go back to BeatA-01, and add a crash (or crashes at the start). Now you can start sequencing the clips like this:
01, 02, 03, F1, 01, 04, 02, F2, 01, 03, 02, F3, 01, 04, 03, F4
You can now pull tricks like going into the various 01's and changing the cymbal(s) that get hit (try alternating left crash, right crash, and having the first one both crashes).
A final trick I like to use is to have a macro that takes ride or hi-hat cymbals and nudges them a few ticks ahead or behind by a random amount, and also changes the velocities by a small amount. The result of all that is a drum beat with interesting variation and a realistic feel.
Wow much appreciated Misha, and Jeff. Many thanks for not only doing this video for your fans, but also just communicating with us as a whole. Cheers!
you should also do a drum mixing tutorial where you show how to get that drum sound ;)
First watched this video YEARS ago, now I’m back with the ggd plugins
"I don't want anything that's a complete pain in the ass for a drummer to play."
Basically the entire first album from Animals as Leaders is a pain in the ass to play, but a really really awesome pain in the ass.
And a lot of Periphery songs are so fucking hard
"Not that, that should matter though." Hahaha. Brought me such a good laugh.
Misha is awesome for putting this together. Same with all his tutorials. Thanks man.
I have wished for a video like this for years. Thank you so much!
Yes! Keep em coming, this is rad to see how Bulb does his thing
Misha this is perfect, i think when you're done with your Drum series, please do a final one to show us how to bring every instrument (Drums, guitars etc) together to create a great mix.
I'm having some serious difficulties in mixing everything together.. I just can't get my songs to sound right. A "mixing tips" video would be amazing!
There are a ton of great videos out that cover mixing, just type it in your search bar! I think Misha already has one out on this channel that covers some of his recording/mixing techniques as well.
Go to Ultimatemetal.com and join the recording/mixing forums (Practice Room) man.
TheM1ghtyGuitarist Watch Fortiori's extensive mixing guide. Just youtube "Fortiori mixing tutorial". It's the easiest and most in-depth tutorial on youtube
Akis Mylordos Thanks man!
I love how you find little snippets of Juggernaut throughout these videos
How did it take me so long to find this post! Awesome.
Some very sick tips there dude. Being a drummer my self, i also go into this much detail, it is the secret to creating realistic sounding drums. Subtlety is the key!!
Just an FYI for anyone confused, Misha is using the BPM as an 8th note pulse rather than 1/4 notes, so when he clicks in what looks like an 1/8th note on the grid, it's functioning musically as a 1/4 note.
Awesome to get a look inside your process. thanks for taking the time to do these!
Misha i'm watching now this lessons and i hope i could reach that drum sound some day, i recently installed Superior Drummer 3 but it was such a waste of space in my HDD, you make this plugin sound very professional and it's around 20Gb or less, thanks for this kind of tutorials and for being an inspiration too, you're awesome.
These are some of the best fucking tutorials I've ever seen on the net! Misha for world president!
That might defly inspire me to be not lazy, thanks Misha
The funny thing is...imagination. I find that I end up using more jazz than say rock. And I am a rock kinda guy. The other thing is... you gotta start somewhere... I am glad you did this. The quiet in-between notes is just as important.
I saw a drummer hit two symbols and a hi hat at the same time once. It was amazing.
Doing this kind of video youre really helping ppl how to produce corectly. Please continue doing that. Thank you.
Ahhhhh! That outro! Thanks for the tips Misha, you rock!!
thanks for doing this Misha. Seems like we work very similarly in programming drums, but it was still very interesting to see your thought process!
Thank you! I've never dabbled with my drum editor in my daw. Definitely will use the tips and tricks you shared. Thank you
This is cool. Really appreciate all the production tutorials! You guys rock!
The ghost notes help a great deal, awesome guide and well-explained, thank you so much!
Pure GOLD, Misha! Thank you so so much for helpin' out!
MISHA! You are the fucking best. Until now I just kind of gave up whenever I tried to program anything by hand and relied on EZDrummer but this video has allowed me to actually figure it out. I use reaper and realizing that I can change the format to have diamonds like in cubase makes it so much easier! You're the best!
Really useful. Thanks for posting.
I *LOVE* your desk/setup! Lots of 'levels', easy access to keys, plectrums. You should do a video walkthrough of your gear! :-)
Might could do that at some point.
Misha Mansoor PLEASE DO!
Mishas the coolest. And the snare is the loudest!!
Very helpful, this is some awesome information you're giving out. Your explanations are good and clear! Thank you so much!
Is there a video on how you create your drum mix? That would be amazing.
Really good stuff dude. Nice little studio too!
It's about time! lol keep Em coming and keep up the great work
That reinforcement track is a good idea. I'm an amateur at mixing prog metal-ish stuff. I always had to turn the drums WAY UP for them to cut through the mix.
I used to read an online magazine called "Sick Drummer" which has all kinds of info, interviews(guys like Gene Hoglan and Hellhammer), techniques, etc. for metal drumming & I would try to apply that stuff to my own drum programming.
I agree the outro is dope! Mansoor could you show in one of your videos how to create a realistic drum roll? Your the man and thanks so much for sharing your knowledge with the world!
omg that kit sounds amazing
Love his last couple of sentences.
Been waiting a longtime for this! Absolutely worth the wait! You're the man Misha, hope to get more of these tutorials down the road.
~Zack
Now that you use getgood drums, could you giveaway how you process this superior kit?
That mutlisample aside is arguably the most important thing that got a 3 second note.
Yes a very good overview. Thanks for this 2 part tutorial.
I REALLY hope the music at the end and the beginning is on Juggernaut.
The full thing is on Misha's Soundcloud if you weren't already aware! It's his Carvin Holdsworth Signature demo :)
Thanks SO much.
16:02 Don't be afraid to try things out that would be "impossible" for an actual human.
That's what makes a music production so much more fun! Why don't make a drum sequence that only people with 7 arms could play if it sounds cool and fits whatever you are doing!
Also nobody that casually listens to music would care about these details or even notice them!
If your goal is to create something realistic that would be another case. It always depends but why not cosider adding stuff here and there that could be played with like 3 or even 4 sticks sometimes!
Awesome, I just use the piano roll in my DAW to program the midi for superior, and it works perfectly fine too, but the cubase editor looks like it would be much easier. All in all very informative, especially the ghost notes which I'm definitely going to start using. Thanks.
i keep seeing the clock on your imac on mine in fullscreen and keep thinking im late for work hahahaha
Great vid & thanks for the tips, Misha! Very useful.
Thanks a lot for taking the time to make this video. :)
keep em coming Misha ! your the man.
Thanks for this Misha, really great stuff!
Didn't know many other people used ghost notes in drum programming. Sick
These tutorials are really helpful! Thanks!
These videos are all so legit and helpful! Thanks!
Ahhh the good old days before GGD came along and made everything sound the same
I just realised that the melody in the outro can be heard on Juggernaut! It's almost the same.
+MrFinGuitar That melody is on Heavy Heart (Juggernaut Alpha) :D
+Matias Peñaloza Yep,couldn't remember the exact song. Awesome albums!
Hey Misha, nice video tutorial and some awesome tips there. Question, can you play drums yourself to the same level as the beats you program? Just I want to get into songwriting prog metal, I only play guitar/bass and I've never played anything more than a simple 4/4 beat on a real drumkit, so my knowlege of metal beats is pretty obscure. If your answer is no, then its great to see you don't need to be a drummer to still get creative with the drums which is inspiring for me to start my solo project.
i revisit this video now and then to learn again and again :D
Excellent Tutorial! …I'm really enjoying your videos.
Love it please keep posting more videos thanks misha!!!
I just got Cubase about two months ago and as a complete noob, i had no idea what i was doing. I'm a drummer, so i have basic logic in limb-awareness. But its cool to know that at 3:20 i was sorta attacking this at the right angle.
Im basically sticking to simpler, more linear beats for the time being, adding in small ghost notes and fills as practice. In the future, wayyyy down the line, i want to be able to program Dillinger Escape Plan type madness without it sounding like an exploding garbage truck. lol
which cubase version did you use or bought? cubase element or the 7.5 version
i never thought to use reinforcement samples, thanks for the tips!
you need to know what is physically possible with four limbs... quote of the century
you should totally link that kit preset :P that'd be delicious.
All the mixing is done in Cubase, so the kit is just the default Metal Machine preset with an Avatar snare blended and an Avatar China on the right.
Misha Mansoor halo misha, is metal machine comes from the same company as EZ drum?
I had no idea I could change my drum map. I have to figure out how to do it.. plus being able to select a group of hits and set their velocities. Im using Cubase AI6 so I'm not sure if I can or not. Very useful!
the sarcasm on the drum riff is hilarious bahaha
The Cubase drums editor looks dope!
This is sweet, thanks for making this!
Heavy Heart at the end got me going
Thanks Misha.
Dude... Thank you so much for putting this up!
I NEED MORE
Excelent job dude, keep it up!!!
Super informative - It all makes sense now!
Thanks for the useful tips Misha
Ghost notes, syncopated beats, tricks and tips using Cubase drum editor and all of it's features...
Hey misha, u should make a video showing how to get the drums to sound like it does in this video.
+Gabriel Laso fuckin' arena metal presets and the right program, mate. I mean that's the point of drum programs. You don't have to go through all the time and money consuming processes for having big fat nice bamming sounds. There is a shitload of sweet presets you can use as a foundation for your further tweaking. Some of them can be spot on in the first place. Hear for yourself and check out Addicitve Drums, Superior Drummer or Steven Slate Drums ;)
I also would love to get the presets for your superior drummer kit, unless it's like a top secret. Awesome.video man.
15:55 Yeah, that should matter.
PLEASE put this on the next album
Your the best misha...thank you
Thanks so much Misha.
The shuffle groove example sounds like the intro drums to Epiphany by Intervals :P
Misha your the best!
I think the only thing I don't like about composing a whole set of drum tracks on a beta box is that then you can have a very hard time finding anyone who can manage to play it for real.. So for making music for fun it's great but if you start working hours and hours to come up with great tracks for your next band rehearsal you may end up with some bad surprise especially if you aren't a drum player yourself.
I personnaly would prefer using it only to keep track of beats that I've come up with directly on the drum so that I can come back and remember what I did a couple weeks ago.
This guy is the founder of a professional band? If your reason for making beats is to be played live, and a drummer can't play them live, either your doing it wrong or you need to find a better drummer.
The song from the carvin demo on your soundcloud that is this video is one of my favorites of yours!
I immediately think of Cupid's Dead by Extreme when i hear this kind of sound 😜
+Anton Johnsson One of my favorite songs of all time! And my absolute nr 1 band of all time!
Kinda hurts to see how good all this Toontrack stuff sounds^^
I mean, I record my real drumset at home, and I have no chance to get such a big, fat sound. But to programm them, would break my "native-drummers-heart" in a way.
I mean, did I put all my money over the last couple of years in my kit and have I spend all this time sweating like a pig behind my drumms practising, only to now forget about all that and programm?
I shed a tear for every drummer that feels useless like me in these dark times :D
Good drummers are still hard to find in a lot of places. Hope that makes you feel a bit better about it. You'll never be replaced on stage!
Adam MacDonald Thanks buddy :) You make me feel good again.
So I present you with some music of mine if you like: soundcloud.com/openconstruct :-)
it might sound good in the ears of many, but it should never be able to replace a real drum effort recorded. In fact, tons of internet folks would have helped spreading the words about toontrack and slate, but to be honest, my favourite drum records were mentioned to be completely edit/sample free(think of at the gates, and deflorate from TBDM.) which makes all those seemed just their marketing shits to me. I've been dealing with programmed drums for few years now and It just felt the same like an axe-fx to a guitarists. Yes you get some decent sounds, but NO your record will be limited by the fakeish drum sound(bottle neck) and never be able to move onto the next level in terms of sound. It is exceptionally frustrating just bcoz that it does not sound off for a big margin but a tad less off then the real thing, but it is pretty prominet and annoy the hell out of me whenever I can hear it. I can't recall how many times when there is a blast beat in the midi track and the editing made me mad and just want to sell my house and get a set up to play it myself or end my miserable life. So you should keep on your passion.Knowing that you can eventually reach a level where none of these can catch on ya again.
James Jin Also a big thanks to you and your kind word's. :) I just like the thought, that when I hear a great drum part, or any instrument part at all, that the musician had to put some physical effort in it, to make it sound this way. I like to know that people have been working hard to achieve a certain sound or technique on their Instrument. Not that there is anything wrong with programming drums (if I don't had a real kit I would do it as well) but I just like hearing a real human playing an real instrument.
I am a drummer, and I have succumbed to the drum programming. Too much of a hassle to mic up my kit, set up mic stands, get all the cables run and plugged in and hope they all work, to sound checking, to mixing, all to write a riff. I must say though I have programmed some pretty awesome grooves by accident I wouldn't have come up with otherwise, and practicing it makes me a better drummer.
Hats up to you...... great job man.... love your music \m/