Tracy Edmonson yes absolutely! They should be using their connections in the building trade to have the walls fixed all at once, paid for by the owners. But that would get the big job done st a lower cost to all, instead of a bunch of crews fixed a bunch of walls independently of one another!! That would be one wall affixed together at once! I'm sure that would cost less per wall all together! The hoa could put it out to bid! To save the individuals money!! I'm sure one big wall built by one company would cost less that a bunch of walls built even by the same company at different times!!
This is the sort of thing that makes me feel that a HOA does nothing but bring down the property values, for me. What are they using the dues for, anyway? 5 gallon flower pots to put pink petunias in? At the very lease, the HOA should wave the fines so the residents can use the money to do the repairs. I hate HOAs. I think they must be run by some mighty greedy people.
View the piece again--the CC&Rs state that the walls are the homeowners' responsibility once they take possession of the home. Yes it would have been "cool" for the HOA to partially subsidize the repair from the reserves, but this HOA chose not to-I suspect most HOAs would have chosen not to.
@Muddobber McCrablice I think the person is saying that even if that legally is so, it shouldn't be so as that wall is along a public street, so the HOA should be responsible for it. They're not, but the person is saying they should.
They're only common areas if they are defined as such in the HOA contract. This will vary by contract. It's not accurate to pretend to know what's in this contract unless you have, in fact, read this contract.
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley then the original author should learn to differentiate what _is_ from what they feel _ought_ to be. I believe that's taught in second grade in most public schools.
Another thing Daniel might not understand is the HOA is funded by the owners through dues. So the can't just decide to magnanimously fix something for one owner. The Board could be found to be in violation of their duty to care for the money they collect, because they would be spending the other owners' money on something it's not supposed to be spent on per the CC&Rs that every owner agrees to upon purchasing a property there.
This is one case where the HOA should have been liable/responsible for the cost/replacement of the wall. Unfortunately unless you can afford a good attorney and are willing to bring a lawsuit against the HOA, you wont be able to challenge the HOA.
So basically an HOA tells you what what they let you do and what they don’t let you do in your own property and collect mi ey from you, thats it, they don’t do nothing else, live in a place where you are the owner and you decide what stays and what goes, HOA is a big scam
if the problem affects multiple homes, then it is the HOA's responsibility to fix. sidewalks, driveways, retaining walls, this is what HOA money is use for!
Me and my wife sold our townhouse in a nice area controlled by an HOA and brought a single family home in another area to get away from that HOA. Best choice ever made.
Happy you.. but not the buyer who didn't hear all stories before buying... Otherwise, they wouldn't buy ... So to fix problems, that's changing the law, this country shouldn't give HOA the power to use other people's money to hurt them... Homeowners pay money to HOA who rules on homeowners and hurt homeowners financially and emotionally everywhere in the country... HOA law needs to be fixed completely to create Peace for everyone including homeowners and their visitors or tenants
@@Ben-um3pe First, listen to the story again-according to the the CC and Rs, the owner assumes responsibility for that wall. The HOA could offer to help, but they’re not obligated to. Second, keep a civil tongue in your head.
@@davidthaler7018 Are you sure? I am confused. i live in an HOA for a few years and they replaced the roofs of all the houses in the community and they gave out window screens for houses that needed them replaced, I guess they are all different then?
You think the City be held accountable as it was not built to code. At the very least the HOA maybe should chip in to keep those home values high as they like to claim.
They should not legally be allowed to fine a homeowner on a problem that they are currently and actively remedying. That's just robbery plain and simple.
I'm a bit skeptical about their arguments. This wall lasted for over 20 years and now has started to fall apart. If this was only a year or two old I could understand their complaint and would be on their side but that is a rather long time for them to be able to use that kind of argument.
Few things - how did it pass inspection? who did the inspection? why aren't they paying for fixing it? they said it was alright, but it wasn't. You can clearly see that the walls are not interlocked around the corner, which every five year old knows is the basic of building lego. without the interlocking and structural rebar on the inside, I am quite surprised it lasted 26 years, wow
Great questions. Unfortunately after 26 years, it would be difficult to hold anyone accountable because the relevant statutes of limitation have expired. There's an important lesson in here for those looking to buy a home. Take a careful look around the property and perhaps hire a qualified inspector to check things out. Don't just assume that everything is okay because it supposedly "passed inspection" when it was built. As you said, " You can clearly see that the walls are not interlocked around the corner, which every five year old knows is the basic of building lego." Someone looking to buy a new home could save themselves an awful lot of future trouble if they take the time before signing the deal to notice problems like that...and take a pass on that kind of property.
Those walls could not have possibly been pass by an inspector. I worked in construction 50 years ago and what was shown would not have passed even back then. The reason you have up-right rebar is so that when concrete is poured down through the holes in the blocks, it forms a solid wall. REBAR IS NOT THERE JUST FOR DECORATION !!! Before anyone signs a HOA agreement, read every line, even if it is pages long. Take it home and reread it before signing. Write down every question you have and make sure they answer you questions to the letter, and don't take any BS they try and feed you, like, "That wall will last longer than your home, so you shouldn't have to worry, so go ahead an sign". Total BS !!!
I don't know. I did masonry for years, and two houses we did (2009-ish), side by side, were in different counties. One county required two horizontals no farther than 4" and no nearer than 2" from the wall and floor of the footing, verticals every 16", horizontal every 24", all wire-tied or welded. The other house had NO REBAR REQUIREMENT AT ALL for County inspection.
@James05574 , We did. When the county told us that rebar was optional, we had to have had the look on our faces of a chimp seeing helicopter. We still did things right, but, WOW
It's not her fault! 4 yrs ago, In my town of 350,000 people, there were only two homes in the whole city that were for sale for $200,000 Which was the lowest selling house at the time. It has an HOA. There are no homes being built now in the whole city that are not actually run by HOAs. So don't blame the buyer if there are no other choices
How many times must you hear "HOA" before you realize that the response should be the same as if someone yelled "Fire" in a theater full of choking, blinding smoke??
In some places, that side of town is crappy with no HOA, keep driving and see the nice part of town with a HOA.... now keep driving 10-20 miles out of town and BAM! Nice country house in 50-some acres with NO HOA in sight (and no neighbors). My home paid off, and been here for 14 years now. Absolutely in love with it. Even to this day
I lived in Vegas for 16 years. One big advantage Las Vegans have over other big cities is Contact 13. In other cities, it seems that other investigative reporters are obsessed with how hard city workers actually work & parking tickets. Darcy Spears goes after stories that actually effect regular people. She's a Las Vegas treasure for sure!
HOA is a load of bull... After watching so many cases where HOA is doing what they think is right but is wrong, i dont see a reason to have them around.
Why O why do u live in a HOA. I couldn’t take someone telling me what to do with my house my yard where to park my car etc. please move you’ll be happier
If you are going to make the HUGE mistake of moving into an HOA controlled house, add things to the agreement that protect you from preexisting issues, or just don't buy the property.
It's not her fault! 4 yrs ago, In my town of 350,000 people, there were only two homes in the whole city that were for sale for $200,000 Which was the lowest selling house at the time. It has an HOA. There are no homes being built now in the whole city that are not actually run by HOAs. So don't blame the buyer if there are no other choices
I used to drive mixer in the Vegas area. They are set up to pass inspections. Then after they pass. Most of the rebar is removed. In some cases crumpled up news paper is pushed down into the holes on the bricks. Before the grout in pumped in. Giving the less space to grout. Meaning they have to pay less and do more walls. Although, in this case. It looks as if the footings weren't done right. Possibly after the inspection. They back filled the footing to use less concrete. Stretching the concrete they bought a lot farther.
The company that originally constructed the walls is no longer in business. Who didn't see that coming? Of course they're no longer in business - what with their shoddy building procedures and all, they've probably been out of business many years before this problem came to light.
26 years of walls that are now starting to deteriorate. Just a normal upkeep cost of owning older homes. Petition to have the fines stayed and work with with the HOA to show you are actively trying to make repairs.
The discovery rule delays implementation of the statute of limitations. Limitations doesn't begin the damages are discovered or reasonably should have discovered, rather than when the injury occurred.
Being the only house in an entire neighborhood not part of a HOA and willingly breaking all of the HOA rules and for them to do nothing about it is something that I have in my bucket list
correct me if im wrong but i thought u were responsible for your home of course but that wall is not connected 2 your home thats the hoa s responsibility
Hoa should be insured for that. And or private homeowners insurance. Lived in an HOA once. Builders didn't do main plumbing properly leading us into sewage flood. We had to fight but put homeowners ins paid. I don't see how this wouldn't be covered. I will never live in HOA again
Isn't the HOA Responcable for the wall, it's covers the entire perimeter for the community in that section, was not added by the Homeowners and was there when they purchase the homes?
Amazing when you have an HOA you can't do a thing to your own property. But when something like this happens HOA wants nothing to do with it suddenly it "you need to take care of your property"...
Contractor who built the walls was probably in an HOA, and cut corners to make money back from another HOA for revenge. Contractor laughed all the way to the bank.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the homeowners association was in place after that back wall was built he had before these homeowners actually bought those houses and the responsibility doesn't belong to them it belongs to the association that charges them fees regardless of whether or not they had a hand in having it built
If it was HOA 26 years ago who hired a contractor to build their subdivision they are responsible for their contractor. NO no re-barb attached inside a Highwall like that is the contractor I did not properly install it in the first place. The city who approved the work, any bricklayer contractor who’s been doing this their whole life sees that no that’s bad work stonewalls last a lifetime several lifetimes. Bad work only a couple decades.
The back wall should be the responsibility of the homeowner's association. I don't know why they are finding the people when they know that it was a contractor's problem.
Did they get a Home Inspector prior to purchase? Just wondering - my husband is actively pursuing a career in inspections so I now question that when things go wrong down the line. But also as they stated, codes can change... and there's no guarantee a HI would've clocked the issue to begin with. No bueno all around.
The CC&Rs (bylaws) require the owners to pay for those repairs simple as that. Read ur Covenant ppl with a fine tooth comb! Don't wait until something happens before you tell ur nghbrs that something needs to be changed, most HOAs are required to have a blanket insurance policy on fences, playgrounds, etc. And they could've paid a small deductable vs $8500 x 6 owners that will hate them for life!
😮😮the city police department built a 12 foot wall between their parking lot and my mom’s (95) house. She had to get them to get the contractor to fix a number of issues on her side of their wall.
As to HOA “fines” - such things do not exist - only a judge can impose fines - HOAs are not law enforcement - if I lived in America under an HOA and they kept making all sorts of excuses to slap illegal “fines” on me, I would say “Take me to court! You won’t get illegal money out of me any other way” - any honest judge would dismiss the case!
Sounds like a failure to disclose or negligent misrepresentation. HOA or the previous owner should have disclosed that the wall was not built properly. If I know a property has a problem, and it is disclosed to me, I can look elsewhere but it seems as tho that may not be the case here?
Our HOA recently Charged all of us (108 units) $1200 to fix eight units, that had not been properly built with a moisture barrier 20 years ago. We cannot sue the city and The homeowners insurance would not pay for it, Stating it was not structural damage. Our HOA fees were increased $35 a month. We are now paying $148 a month. We have a club house no one uses, it pays for cable, and mowing a strip of land about 10 by 5. My brother and I do our own snow removal, though the HOA provides salt. I am living on a low budget. There are about 24 more units that need fixing, though the HOA said they should not have to ask for more money to fix them. Most of the units are owned by investors who buy and rent them out so their votes go up in count depending on how many units they own. At least 3 of our board members own 7-10 units, so they can turn the voting in their favor. I owe about $19,000 on my place and to sell and try to find a decent home is next to impossible in today’s economy.
It has to be contacted to OSHA and not Fine homeowners,rules are applied by OSHA meaning OSHA are allowed to inspect and Court is needed to issue to a order to shut down a company if it violates the safety rules. Meaning HOA and city failed to contact OSHA about the hazard meaning they have to pay their own money and not tax people due to the negligence of HOA not properly paying attention of what to do if the hazards in workplace occurs
CHECK THE BLUEPRINTS with the county surveyor's office we rented a house in North Las Vegas and the HOA was hammering us about some trees on the other side of the fence near the sidewalk she stated we were responsible so we checked the blueprints with the county surveyor's office and evidently over 5 years ago before we rented this house they had signed a contract it showed on the blueprints stating that they are responsible for easements the county surveyor's office showed on their blueprints where the HOAs are responsible for easements you just have to check with his County surveyor's office
Someone obviously greased the palms of the inspectors of the rebar is actually missing. If that's the case, then could the homeowners / HOA file a lawsuit against the local authorities? Or could they get away with passing a failed wall, due to Qualified Immunity? Although if that's the case, then why have inspectors to begin with?
How do people at that age have no money??? I’m half their age, have two houses, ones a rental, and a savings account. How do people do that to themselves??
My parents had the same issue with a retaining wall the hoa requires them to have and only them. Based on the land and where it is to a common ground. The hoa contracted guys did such a shitty job, our fence my dad built himself was pristine until they came insane messed the retaining wall up. The wall is falling. The fence is falling. It was literally just cinderblock stacked together, no rebar, no cement or anything to link them together. Just stacked ontop of each other. And the hoa is finning my parents every day that it’s not fixed. For 7 years now. They don’t have to pay since it’s not their job to upkeep anyway. It’s the hoa’s.
The HOA should not be penalizing the home owners but instead trying to help fix the problem caused by the developers.
Tracy Edmonson yes absolutely! They should be using their connections in the building trade to have the walls fixed all at once, paid for by the owners. But that would get the big job done st a lower cost to all, instead of a bunch of crews fixed a bunch of walls independently of one another!! That would be one wall affixed together at once! I'm sure that would cost less per wall all together! The hoa could put it out to bid! To save the individuals money!! I'm sure one big wall built by one company would cost less that a bunch of walls built even by the same company at different times!!
Why doesn't the HOA just use the fucking HOA dues they collect each month to pay for it all? That's what the money should be for anyway.
exactly
This is the sort of thing that makes me feel that a HOA does nothing but bring down the property values, for me. What are they using the dues for, anyway? 5 gallon flower pots to put pink petunias in?
At the very lease, the HOA should wave the fines so the residents can use the money to do the repairs.
I hate HOAs. I think they must be run by some mighty greedy people.
"I think [HOA's] must be run by some mighty greedy people."
More than that, they are run by uptight, pedantic, domineering control freaks.
The walls are common areas and should be fixed by HOA. The residents are getting screwed.
View the piece again--the CC&Rs state that the walls are the homeowners' responsibility once they take possession of the home. Yes it would have been "cool" for the HOA to partially subsidize the repair from the reserves, but this HOA chose not to-I suspect most HOAs would have chosen not to.
@Muddobber McCrablice I think the person is saying that even if that legally is so, it shouldn't be so as that wall is along a public street, so the HOA should be responsible for it. They're not, but the person is saying they should.
They're only common areas if they are defined as such in the HOA contract. This will vary by contract. It's not accurate to pretend to know what's in this contract unless you have, in fact, read this contract.
@@BewareTheLilyOfTheValley then the original author should learn to differentiate what _is_ from what they feel _ought_ to be. I believe that's taught in second grade in most public schools.
Another thing Daniel might not understand is the HOA is funded by the owners through dues. So the can't just decide to magnanimously fix something for one owner. The Board could be found to be in violation of their duty to care for the money they collect, because they would be spending the other owners' money on something it's not supposed to be spent on per the CC&Rs that every owner agrees to upon purchasing a property there.
The HOA should be helping, not making it worse...
This is why so many are saying don't enter into an HOA at all. Very few are actually any good
It's called Greed
This is one case where the HOA should have been liable/responsible for the cost/replacement of the wall. Unfortunately unless you can afford a good attorney and are willing to bring a lawsuit against the HOA, you wont be able to challenge the HOA.
That's an HOA job.....too make things worse.
So basically an HOA tells you what what they let you do and what they don’t let you do in your own property and collect mi ey from you, thats it, they don’t do nothing else, live in a place where you are the owner and you decide what stays and what goes, HOA is a big scam
if the problem affects multiple homes, then it is the HOA's responsibility to fix. sidewalks, driveways, retaining walls, this is what HOA money is use for!
Wow that’s a interesting point.
Me and my wife sold our townhouse in a nice area controlled by an HOA and brought a single family home in another area to get away from that HOA. Best choice ever made.
So happy you guys got out! The HOA's have too much power. Oh and they can also take your home right out from under you! Absolutely insane!
Happy you.. but not the buyer who didn't hear all stories before buying... Otherwise, they wouldn't buy ... So to fix problems, that's changing the law, this country shouldn't give HOA the power to use other people's money to hurt them... Homeowners pay money to HOA who rules on homeowners and hurt homeowners financially and emotionally everywhere in the country... HOA law needs to be fixed completely to create Peace for everyone including homeowners and their visitors or tenants
They are paying HOA fees monthly shouldn't that money go toward it
Right!!
HOA fees are for maintenance of common areas/services, not to effect repairs on individual homes. Should the HOA pay to fix/replace your leaky roof?
@@davidthaler7018 the outer walls affect the community you dunce. It should be maintained by the HOA
@@Ben-um3pe First, listen to the story again-according to the the CC and Rs, the owner assumes responsibility for that wall. The HOA could offer to help, but they’re not obligated to. Second, keep a civil tongue in your head.
@@davidthaler7018 Are you sure? I am confused. i live in an HOA for a few years and they replaced the roofs of all the houses in the community and they gave out window screens for houses that needed them replaced, I guess they are all different then?
Welcome to paying to be told how to live.
Makes you wonder why you even bother getting permits, paying fees, dealing with "inspectors", when the contractors do a crap job.
You think the City be held accountable as it was not built to code. At the very least the HOA maybe should chip in to keep those home values high as they like to claim.
They should not legally be allowed to fine a homeowner on a problem that they are currently and actively remedying. That's just robbery plain and simple.
They shouldn't be able fine people period
lol 26 years and then fines them lol this is why i will never buy a hoa house
I'm a bit skeptical about their arguments. This wall lasted for over 20 years and now has started to fall apart. If this was only a year or two old I could understand their complaint and would be on their side but that is a rather long time for them to be able to use that kind of argument.
Few things - how did it pass inspection? who did the inspection? why aren't they paying for fixing it? they said it was alright, but it wasn't. You can clearly see that the walls are not interlocked around the corner, which every five year old knows is the basic of building lego. without the interlocking and structural rebar on the inside, I am quite surprised it lasted 26 years, wow
It passed inspection without being inspected .
Contractor bribed the inspector .
Great questions. Unfortunately after 26 years, it would be difficult to hold anyone accountable because the relevant statutes of limitation have expired. There's an important lesson in here for those looking to buy a home. Take a careful look around the property and perhaps hire a qualified inspector to check things out. Don't just assume that everything is okay because it supposedly "passed inspection" when it was built. As you said, " You can clearly see that the walls are not interlocked around the corner, which every five year old knows is the basic of building lego." Someone looking to buy a new home could save themselves an awful lot of future trouble if they take the time before signing the deal to notice problems like that...and take a pass on that kind of property.
this is why I live in the sticks. Screw an hoa.
I live in town. No HOA in my neighborhood.
Those walls could not have possibly been pass by an inspector. I worked in construction 50 years ago and what was shown would not have passed even back then. The reason you have up-right rebar is so that when concrete is poured down through the holes in the blocks, it forms a solid wall. REBAR IS NOT THERE JUST FOR DECORATION !!!
Before anyone signs a HOA agreement, read every line, even if it is pages long. Take it home and reread it before signing. Write down every question you have and make sure they answer you questions to the letter, and don't take any BS they try and feed you, like, "That wall will last longer than your home, so you shouldn't have to worry, so go ahead an sign". Total BS !!!
Amen Rumple!!!
I don't know. I did masonry for years, and two houses we did (2009-ish), side by side, were in different counties. One county required two horizontals no farther than 4" and no nearer than 2" from the wall and floor of the footing, verticals every 16", horizontal every 24", all wire-tied or welded. The other house had NO REBAR REQUIREMENT AT ALL for County inspection.
@James05574 ,
We did.
When the county told us that rebar was optional, we had to have had the look on our faces of a chimp seeing helicopter.
We still did things right, but, WOW
Before you sign an HOA agreement, please read it carefully, rip it up, and then buy a home that's not part of an HOA.
Lady if you want to left alone NEVER buy in an HOA community!
It's not her fault! 4 yrs ago, In my town of 350,000 people, there were only two homes in the whole city that were for sale for $200,000 Which was the lowest selling house at the time. It has an HOA. There are no homes being built now in the whole city that are not actually run by HOAs. So don't blame the buyer if there are no other choices
How many times must you hear "HOA" before you realize that the response should be the same as if someone yelled "Fire" in a theater full of choking, blinding smoke??
In some places, that side of town is crappy with no HOA, keep driving and see the nice part of town with a HOA.... now keep driving 10-20 miles out of town and BAM! Nice country house in 50-some acres with NO HOA in sight (and no neighbors). My home paid off, and been here for 14 years now. Absolutely in love with it. Even to this day
But that drive though
What was your point? I was a little confused as to what you were saying. I was trying to follow you.
HOA is unnecessarily adversarial with their residents. Fines should not be imposed.
And then they show the new contractor building them wrong again... Typical Vegas construction.
NEVER JOIN A HOA , NEVER BUY A HOUSE WITH A HOA !
I lived in Vegas for 16 years. One big advantage Las Vegans have over other big cities is Contact 13. In other cities, it seems that other investigative reporters are obsessed with how hard city workers actually work & parking tickets. Darcy Spears goes after stories that actually effect regular people. She's a Las Vegas treasure for sure!
Four months ago, moved out of a project with HOA and moved into a neighborhood with nice homes and no HOA. Best move ever!
At a minimum, the HOA should cease fining the homeowners as repairs are in progress. That's the way some of these places operate.
Penalize the inspector who did the piss poor job of inspecting the wall.
Which one? the first one that approved the wall has probably retired. The current inspectors did find a problem and are requiring repairs.
HOA is a load of bull... After watching so many cases where HOA is doing what they think is right but is wrong, i dont see a reason to have them around.
I agree
Why O why do u live in a HOA. I couldn’t take someone telling me what to do with my house my yard where to park my car etc. please move you’ll be happier
HOA has to put a stop on the finds or face criminal charges
How so? HOA is within the law to seize the home sell it, to collect the money.
Fines
When you buy a home you get everything with it, including all the fixes and headaches. Doesn't matter who built it years ago, it's yours now.
If the owners are responsible for the fix then the HOA should NOT have the authority to issue fines.
Darcy your a hero keep it up ,👍
If you are going to make the HUGE mistake of moving into an HOA controlled house, add things to the agreement that protect you from preexisting issues, or just don't buy the property.
It's not her fault! 4 yrs ago, In my town of 350,000 people, there were only two homes in the whole city that were for sale for $200,000 Which was the lowest selling house at the time. It has an HOA. There are no homes being built now in the whole city that are not actually run by HOAs. So don't blame the buyer if there are no other choices
What you do is take a meeting with a HOA representative in private and "encourage" them to leave you alone.
Even with the rebar, there’s nothing to keep the wall from tipping. There’s nothing to stop lateral movement.
HOA's need to be abolished.
The HOA should pay for it
Stop moving into hoas.. STOP
I used to drive mixer in the Vegas area. They are set up to pass inspections. Then after they pass. Most of the rebar is removed. In some cases crumpled up news paper is pushed down into the holes on the bricks. Before the grout in pumped in. Giving the less space to grout. Meaning they have to pay less and do more walls. Although, in this case. It looks as if the footings weren't done right. Possibly after the inspection. They back filled the footing to use less concrete. Stretching the concrete they bought a lot farther.
With the original contractor gone it should fall into the developer's responsibility.
I love hearing stories about these HOA members getting utterly screwed by these communities..
the homeowner association needs to pay for it, why are they paying dues if they dont do anything?
The company that originally constructed the walls is no longer in business. Who didn't see that coming? Of course they're no longer in business - what with their shoddy building procedures and all, they've probably been out of business many years before this problem came to light.
The city gave a handshake approval to those contractors. No inspection, just knew the inspector.
Get the homeowners together, vote out the current board, and elect a new board.
HOA: We're gunna build a wall and make the owners pay for it!!
Trump: I have exclusive rights to that phrase.
26 years of walls that are now starting to deteriorate. Just a normal upkeep cost of owning older homes. Petition to have the fines stayed and work with with the HOA to show you are actively trying to make repairs.
I thought fixing stuff like this was why an HOA exists. Why pay for an HOA if all they do is charge you money each month so they can fine you?!
You are the HOA so it always costs the homeowners when things need fixed.
The discovery rule delays implementation of the statute of limitations. Limitations doesn't begin the damages are discovered or reasonably should have discovered, rather than when the injury occurred.
Henderson NV... Wow my grandparents used to live there. Didn't know it was HOA Managed. Glad they moved the he'll out
this is why u get your own home and not have a mafia hoa hovering over u at all times
Being the only house in an entire neighborhood not part of a HOA and willingly breaking all of the HOA rules and for them to do nothing about it is something that I have in my bucket list
When you buy a house you assume ALL responsibility for maintenance on ALL parts or that property and LIABILITY
correct me if im wrong but i thought u were responsible for your home of course but that wall is not connected 2 your home thats the hoa s responsibility
HOA should waive the fines. This is part of the estate and should come out as expense to maintain the estate from the pool of HOA funds.
Should have sued for selling them a defective wall and charging them for it
Hoa should be insured for that. And or private homeowners insurance. Lived in an HOA once. Builders didn't do main plumbing properly leading us into sewage flood. We had to fight but put homeowners ins paid.
I don't see how this wouldn't be covered. I will never live in HOA again
Isn't the HOA Responcable for the wall, it's covers the entire perimeter for the community in that section, was not added by the Homeowners and was there when they purchase the homes?
GIRL - YOU GOT IT GOING ON !!
Now you know the true meaning of equality
sue the hoa each time you get a letter from them
Isn't that the reason for paying HOA fees.For up keeping of the property.
Amazing when you have an HOA you can't do a thing to your own property. But when something like this happens HOA wants nothing to do with it suddenly it "you need to take care of your property"...
Hoa says the homeowners have no option, how about cutting them some slack and not citing them. HOA's are a joke
SHOULDN'T THE CITY HAVE INSPECTED THE FENCES ??
You're better off living in the country and hope you don't get any neighbors.
Contractor who built the walls was probably in an HOA, and cut corners to make money back from another HOA for revenge. Contractor laughed all the way to the bank.
You pay for it, the HOA tells you what you can do with it. Now that's just plain stupid.
Correct me if I'm wrong but the homeowners association was in place after that back wall was built he had before these homeowners actually bought those houses and the responsibility doesn't belong to them it belongs to the association that charges them fees regardless of whether or not they had a hand in having it built
If it was HOA 26 years ago who hired a contractor to build their subdivision they are responsible for their contractor. NO no re-barb attached inside a Highwall like that is the contractor I did not properly install it in the first place. The city who approved the work, any bricklayer contractor who’s been doing this their whole life sees that no that’s bad work stonewalls last a lifetime several lifetimes. Bad work only a couple decades.
One of the thousands of reasons I'll never live in an area with an HOA
HOAs should be outlawed!
Expanding roots of the trees near the wall could also be the cause of pushing up and tilting the wall.
Hold the builder liable. That will improve construction in the future
Target HOA not schools please
The back wall should be the responsibility of the homeowner's association. I don't know why they are finding the people when they know that it was a contractor's problem.
Never, Never, Never live in an HOA. Never!
I am so happy I live out in the country with 2000 acres of land where I can do what I want! No rules or regulations. All I do is pay my property tax.
Did they get a Home Inspector prior to purchase? Just wondering - my husband is actively pursuing a career in inspections so I now question that when things go wrong down the line. But also as they stated, codes can change... and there's no guarantee a HI would've clocked the issue to begin with. No bueno all around.
The CC&Rs (bylaws) require the owners to pay for those repairs simple as that. Read ur Covenant ppl with a fine tooth comb! Don't wait until something happens before you tell ur nghbrs that something needs to be changed, most HOAs are required to have a blanket insurance policy on fences, playgrounds, etc. And they could've paid a small deductable vs $8500 x 6 owners that will hate them for life!
That dude looks like Robert De Niro 🤣
All these videos just makes a community with an HOA not very appealing to live at....i know i never would
The city is also responsible for giving homeowners the false belief that it was built to code.
😮😮the city police department built a 12 foot wall between their parking lot and my mom’s (95) house. She had to get them to get the contractor to fix a number of issues on her side of their wall.
As to HOA “fines” - such things do not exist - only a judge can impose fines - HOAs are not law enforcement - if I lived in America under an HOA and they kept making all sorts of excuses to slap illegal “fines” on me, I would say “Take me to court! You won’t get illegal money out of me any other way” - any honest judge would dismiss the case!
Sounds like a failure to disclose or negligent misrepresentation. HOA or the previous owner should have disclosed that the wall was not built properly. If I know a property has a problem, and it is disclosed to me, I can look elsewhere but it seems as tho that may not be the case here?
#EndHOAs
Our HOA recently Charged all of us (108 units) $1200 to fix eight units, that had not been properly built with a moisture barrier 20 years ago. We cannot sue the city and The homeowners insurance would not pay for it, Stating it was not structural damage. Our HOA fees were increased $35 a month. We are now paying $148 a month. We have a club house no one uses, it pays for cable, and mowing a strip of land about 10 by 5. My brother and I do our own snow removal, though the HOA provides salt. I am living on a low budget. There are about 24 more units that need fixing, though the HOA said they should not have to ask for more money to fix them.
Most of the units are owned by investors who buy and rent them out so their votes go up in count depending on how many units they own. At least 3 of our board members own 7-10 units, so they can turn the voting in their favor. I owe about $19,000 on my place and to sell and try to find a decent home is next to impossible in today’s economy.
It has to be contacted to OSHA and not Fine homeowners,rules are applied by OSHA meaning OSHA are allowed to inspect and Court is needed to issue to a order to shut down a company if it violates the safety rules. Meaning HOA and city failed to contact OSHA about the hazard meaning they have to pay their own money and not tax people due to the negligence of HOA not properly paying attention of what to do if the hazards in workplace occurs
Not just weave the fines but help them pay for it that’s just ridiculous
Fines from the HOA for a problem they're currently fixing? Take their asses to court. That's extortion at that point.
They passed inspection at the time of installation. Though I don’t think they actually inspected anything
CHECK THE BLUEPRINTS with the county surveyor's office we rented a house in North Las Vegas and the HOA was hammering us about some trees on the other side of the fence near the sidewalk she stated we were responsible so we checked the blueprints with the county surveyor's office and evidently over 5 years ago before we rented this house they had signed a contract it showed on the blueprints stating that they are responsible for easements the county surveyor's office showed on their blueprints where the HOAs are responsible for easements you just have to check with his County surveyor's office
That attorney looks like a crook .
Contractor & inspector should redo the job
Someone obviously greased the palms of the inspectors of the rebar is actually missing. If that's the case, then could the homeowners / HOA file a lawsuit against the local authorities? Or could they get away with passing a failed wall, due to Qualified Immunity? Although if that's the case, then why have inspectors to begin with?
That's what you get for giving up your rights and buying in an HOA. No one to blame but yourself.
I will never buy a house with a HOA in place.
How do people at that age have no money??? I’m half their age, have two houses, ones a rental, and a savings account. How do people do that to themselves??
It sounds like the HOA wished they built the walls, so they could have collected more fines if it was built incorrectly by them
My parents had the same issue with a retaining wall the hoa requires them to have and only them. Based on the land and where it is to a common ground. The hoa contracted guys did such a shitty job, our fence my dad built himself was pristine until they came insane messed the retaining wall up. The wall is falling. The fence is falling. It was literally just cinderblock stacked together, no rebar, no cement or anything to link them together. Just stacked ontop of each other. And the hoa is finning my parents every day that it’s not fixed. For 7 years now. They don’t have to pay since it’s not their job to upkeep anyway. It’s the hoa’s.
And yet another reason I will never live with an HOA