We Have an 1190 Sport. Your analysis is very insightful and has only reinforced what we have experienced. All boats are a compromise, we absolutely LOVE our Seawind - Dual Force (you have pics from the Boat show in Annapolis). We have had her in 35 + knots and 10' seas. She is unbelievably solid, light, comfortable, and fast. As far as it being "bare", to us it is a plus. We love the no maintenance aspect. So we can agree to have different opinions :)
Hey Drew. Thanks so much for watching and commenting. Thanks too for sharing your beautiful yacht with all of us at the show! Having secretly fallen in love with ORC, I get your point. BUT…we all know that my opinion is not core to me getting out on the water. lol! D
The Seawind 1190 has retractable rudders and daggerboards. This means an amazing low draft of down to 1'11'' (60 cms) and it can easily be beached (motors are outboards). The reason for so much exposed fiberglass is its very low weight. Even shelves are fixed and fiberglass adding to the rigidity. Seawinds are proven cruisers - Bali not so much. Some cruisers have serious doubts to the safety of Balis with no trampolines. Historically, the resale value of Seawinds is amazing. The waiting time for a new Seawind can be very long. For crossing oceans I would go for the Seawind 1370, 1260 or 1170. For a floating condo the Balis are a good choice. Nice comparison - thx.
Seawind & Bali: I'm with Sylvia, meh. But since you reviewed some dinghy's...I love, that the HH52 has a 12'-5" dinghy space which accommodates the ZerOjet OC350 which is 11'-6" and weighs 328 lbs and holds a 767 lbs max load (3 guys, 3 gals) 👍 Oh, 1190 KSP .80 also good.
Hey lots of problems with bull sharks here lately. Can you do a comparison on some boats big Cats that might be beachable. Or a comparison of some cats with shaft drive. Jessica and Matts boat they are building is going electric and shaft drive. I don't think beachable though. I wonder if dragonfly or rapido might be beachable?
@@navalgazingatcampdavid I think it may concern @Tulasendlesssummer and @sailingrubyrose. They have an 1170 #1 and an 1370 #2 respectively. I think their problems are well within the problems you have in other new catamarans. Considering they are so early in the production run of each type I find it sort of amazing they do not have more problems.
it seems to me with the market right now there's just no point in getting a brand new smaller cat. there's loads of relatively younger used ones out there around the 45ft range.
I would tend to agree. I personally would rather buy a 2-5 yr old boat, let someone else deal with the inevitable warranty repairs and add extra toys before I take over. D
It would be so much better from a comparison standpoint to be looking at electronics, quality of sails, quality of auto pilot and steering components and the like. Looks and space layout is one thing but relying solely on that seems short sighted. Also, I don’t understand the purpose of your comparisons at the end where you are comparing mono hulls to the catamaran. Can you explain that?
Hi Steve. This channel is primarily from Sylvia’s point of view, since if she doesn’t agree, I’m going no where. Also, although there is a significant focus on ethics, we do dive into hull construction and performance. The bits that you speak of can all be replaced and/or optioned up or down, so it’s hard to be definitive. Re the mono-hulls…it’s about the ongoing mono/multi debate and a fair value comparison. Hope this answers your questions. Thanks for watching. D
@@navalgazingatcampdavid got it, I just thought it was odd you were comparing to the mono hulls when you said she wouldn’t live on a mono hull. Thanks for the comparisons, they are helpful.
I wouldn't touch a new, new model cat with a barge pole. Especially after the current HH saga came to light. They've now admitted that they don't test a production example of a new model in the real world before they start selling them to customers as it would be too expensive. They essentially see their customers as lab rats, testing what is a very expensive life support system in some of the most remote and hostile places on the planet for the manufacturer. For free. Hence all of the post-purchase issues. And apparently this is true of all boat builders. Sure, there's a warranty, but that's not much help if you're stuck waiting for them to fix the problem for months, or you're a couple of miles below the surface of the ocean. If I ever bought a brand new cat, I'd have to name it 'The Right Stuff' and change my name to Chuck Yeager.
LOL! My personal rule is nothing lees than Hull #10 and a pre-owned vessel between 2-5 years old. Tis way the bugs are worked out on hulls 1-9 and the residual regular new boat warranty issues are resolved by the first owner. Additionally, the first owner has added a bunch of toys that I usually don't end up paying for. In reality, HH is right. There is no economical way to really test a new design, short of sailing it hard for a year. At this point, no one other than the big production yards have the budget to do that. The boutique shops like HH do rely on the early adopters to find the bugs. The early adopters generally know this and are willing to take the gamble. NOt much of an excuse, but software giants have been doing it for years.
@@navalgazingatcampdavid I guess it works until those boat companies pay RUclipsrs to be their early adopters. And then the term 'early adopter' becomes 'sucker'. This could turn out to be the biggest marketing faux pas since Bud Light. There are two very different ways that you can here someone say, "You bought an HH." When it sounds like, "You must be an idiot", the brand is in big trouble. People are likely to put up with a bug in a $50 piece of software that can be fixed in the next online update while you're asleep. Sitting on a shiny, crippled million dollar boat in the middle of nowhere feeling like a mug is an entirely different ball game. And BTW, I do like a lightly used Seawind.
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We Have an 1190 Sport. Your analysis is very insightful and has only reinforced what we have experienced. All boats are a compromise, we absolutely LOVE our Seawind - Dual Force (you have pics from the Boat show in Annapolis). We have had her in 35 + knots and 10' seas. She is unbelievably solid, light, comfortable, and fast. As far as it being "bare", to us it is a plus. We love the no maintenance aspect. So we can agree to have different opinions :)
Hey Drew. Thanks so much for watching and commenting. Thanks too for sharing your beautiful yacht with all of us at the show! Having secretly fallen in love with ORC, I get your point. BUT…we all know that my opinion is not core to me getting out on the water. lol! D
The Seawind 1190 has retractable rudders and daggerboards. This means an amazing low draft of down to 1'11'' (60 cms) and it can easily be beached (motors are outboards).
The reason for so much exposed fiberglass is its very low weight. Even shelves are fixed and fiberglass adding to the rigidity. Seawinds are proven cruisers - Bali not so much. Some cruisers have serious doubts to the safety of Balis with no trampolines. Historically, the resale value of Seawinds is amazing. The waiting time for a new Seawind can be very long.
For crossing oceans I would go for the Seawind 1370, 1260 or 1170. For a floating condo the Balis are a good choice.
Nice comparison - thx.
Thanks for your thoughts Pierre! D
Seawind & Bali: I'm with Sylvia, meh. But since you reviewed some dinghy's...I love, that the HH52 has a 12'-5" dinghy space which accommodates the ZerOjet OC350 which is 11'-6" and weighs 328 lbs and holds a 767 lbs max load (3 guys, 3 gals) 👍 Oh, 1190 KSP .80 also good.
Thrilled that you are enjoying the channel!!
Hey lots of problems with bull sharks here lately. Can you do a comparison on some boats big Cats that might be beachable. Or a comparison of some cats with shaft drive. Jessica and Matts boat they are building is going electric and shaft drive. I don't think beachable though. I wonder if dragonfly or rapido might be beachable?
Hey Randall. Thanks for watching. I’ll have a look around for those requirements. Nothing comes to mind except immediately. D
The Seawinds 1160 lite and 1190 are beachable with retractable rudders, daggerboards and outboards.
@@pierre.a.larsen Thanks!
How about reviewing a Seawind 1260?
Thanks for watching. As soon as I can get aboard I certainly will. D
Couple of channels are having issues with their brand new Seawinds.
Thanks for the update. Can you tell me which channels? I’d like to have a look. D
@@navalgazingatcampdavid I think it may concern @Tulasendlesssummer and @sailingrubyrose. They have an 1170 #1 and an 1370 #2 respectively.
I think their problems are well within the problems you have in other new catamarans. Considering they are so early in the production run of each type I find it sort of amazing they do not have more problems.
@@pierre.a.larsen Yes. I think it's just new boat/new model issues. Makes me want to only buy pre-owned, broken in and anything over hull#10.
@@navalgazingatcampdavid Me too!
@@navalgazingatcampdavid Tula's Endless Summer and Sailing Ruby Rose.
it seems to me with the market right now there's just no point in getting a brand new smaller cat. there's loads of relatively younger used ones out there around the 45ft range.
I would tend to agree. I personally would rather buy a 2-5 yr old boat, let someone else deal with the inevitable warranty repairs and add extra toys before I take over. D
It would be so much better from a comparison standpoint to be looking at electronics, quality of sails, quality of auto pilot and steering components and the like. Looks and space layout is one thing but relying solely on that seems short sighted.
Also, I don’t understand the purpose of your comparisons at the end where you are comparing mono hulls to the catamaran. Can you explain that?
Hi Steve. This channel is primarily from Sylvia’s point of view, since if she doesn’t agree, I’m going no where. Also, although there is a significant focus on ethics, we do dive into hull construction and performance. The bits that you speak of can all be replaced and/or optioned up or down, so it’s hard to be definitive. Re the mono-hulls…it’s about the ongoing mono/multi debate and a fair value comparison. Hope this answers your questions. Thanks for watching. D
@@navalgazingatcampdavid got it, I just thought it was odd you were comparing to the mono hulls when you said she wouldn’t live on a mono hull. Thanks for the comparisons, they are helpful.
I wouldn't touch a new, new model cat with a barge pole. Especially after the current HH saga came to light. They've now admitted that they don't test a production example of a new model in the real world before they start selling them to customers as it would be too expensive. They essentially see their customers as lab rats, testing what is a very expensive life support system in some of the most remote and hostile places on the planet for the manufacturer. For free. Hence all of the post-purchase issues. And apparently this is true of all boat builders. Sure, there's a warranty, but that's not much help if you're stuck waiting for them to fix the problem for months, or you're a couple of miles below the surface of the ocean.
If I ever bought a brand new cat, I'd have to name it 'The Right Stuff' and change my name to Chuck Yeager.
LOL! My personal rule is nothing lees than Hull #10 and a pre-owned vessel between 2-5 years old. Tis way the bugs are worked out on hulls 1-9 and the residual regular new boat warranty issues are resolved by the first owner. Additionally, the first owner has added a bunch of toys that I usually don't end up paying for. In reality, HH is right. There is no economical way to really test a new design, short of sailing it hard for a year. At this point, no one other than the big production yards have the budget to do that. The boutique shops like HH do rely on the early adopters to find the bugs. The early adopters generally know this and are willing to take the gamble. NOt much of an excuse, but software giants have been doing it for years.
@@navalgazingatcampdavid I guess it works until those boat companies pay RUclipsrs to be their early adopters. And then the term 'early adopter' becomes 'sucker'. This could turn out to be the biggest marketing faux pas since Bud Light. There are two very different ways that you can here someone say, "You bought an HH." When it sounds like, "You must be an idiot", the brand is in big trouble.
People are likely to put up with a bug in a $50 piece of software that can be fixed in the next online update while you're asleep. Sitting on a shiny, crippled million dollar boat in the middle of nowhere feeling like a mug is an entirely different ball game.
And BTW, I do like a lightly used Seawind.