Sephiroth shows Cloud the Multiverse - Final Fantasy 7 Rebirth
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Aerith wields the Magic of Lifestream: ruclips.net/video/39iQGm1wReA/видео.htmlsi=HZXwzf7_Sv9dN0HM
Too early to call Multiverse at this point, the lifestream rather hold the memories of those who have live and died, and in theory the memories can persist even after death especially if there is something that disrupt the natural flow, so arguably what is being shown by Sephiroth is the memories of the lifestream both dead and alive, like I said too early to call it a multiverse.
Sephiroth: "The multiverse is BS, let's end it"
Fans: "You know, he aint wrong..."
I'm wholeheartedly ROOTING for Sephiroth to destroy the multiverse. LOL
I’d rather live in the one new world which he plans to form than have to put up with alternate universes.
At least the former has a sense of purpose to its existence. LMAO!
There is no multiverse, its all a red herring.
There are just planes of existences within the lifestream created by memories and knowledge of the planet.
This truth was hinted at by an npc in cosmo canyon.
@@pandaeyezthats somehow dumber than an actual multiverse
(And suddenly, they finds Doctor Strange)
Doctor Strange: "Oops, sorry, wrong universe."
(And Strange leaves the scene through a portal)
Cloud: ????
Sephiroth : an interloper has shown it self
Sephiroth: “a wayword soul?”
Sora: oh wait this isn’t twilight town.
Sephiroth: “He’s all yours, Cloud.”
*Sephiroth has left the chat
Now I see how Sephiroth came into Smash bros.
No that’s explained by kingdom hearts 2
@@afkmh2392 this explains how he got to kingdom hearts then haha
Sephiroth doesn't just want to live for eternity but now his sword masamune can literally cut through the fabric of reality and time. How is this dude so powerful? For real though. I know he's got Jenova but damn. He's already a god.
He no longer need”Mother”anymore.
He spent 5 years in the Lifestream.
He was god in original ff7, remember that fucking animation of super nova destroying planets... but this multiverse thing is boring
@@Lo_Okamii wouldn't find the remake as intriguing if it was just a 1:1 remake with updated graphics, this is truely a sequel
@@andrewramirez3998oh it’s an amazing “remake” the stuff that they expand upon is exactly what I want but hopefully we get something after the trilogy cause there’s a lot of questions post advent children and dirge which are still canon so it’s not a “sequel” yet
Cloud: “Wait what is that noise?” Far off Voice: “I was in SOLDIER DAMNIT!!!!”
Ha I got that!
I for one am enjoying this quite a bit. This idea of the originals game villain knowing he lost and changing the timeline is fun. Also I love the sephiroth cloud shenanigans
I agree! I love the original game, but it's way more fun this way. A 1:1 remake of the original would have been pretty boring, since we already know how everything plays out. This keeps us on our toes.
I feel like even if Sephiroth did win and got everything he wants he'd spend about five minutes gloating and revelling in being a god before getting bored and going, "Screw it, im gonna go back in time to mess with Cloud again." Gaslighting Cloud gives him life.
@@LordFoxxyFoxington I love this sentence as Joker killed Batman time after time, when he at last killed him... it drew Joker sane.
It’s hard to tell really if it’s sephiroth fucking with everyone cause he knows everything or if it’s jenova fucking with everyone like in the original. I think every time it’s somewhere that wasn’t in the original it’s the new “omnipotent” sephiroth like at the reactor with Tifa and the weapon memories thing. But when it’s somewhere from the og like on the boat it’s jenova again.
Couldn’t have said it better!
Cloud: Why’s that dog standing on two feet and about to clonk you with a Shield?
Technically, these “Multiverses” aren’t even real in the FF7 universe. In fact, these probably are just memories from dead individuals in the Lifestream from their beginnings to their end. Usually multiverses or timelines can be physically travelled to by a means like a time machine or some device/magic spell.
But due to Sephiroth’s shenanigans, they’re disrupted and made to change when it *shouldn’t*. With these changes, they’re automatically set to “Self-Destruct” and collide with each other.
Because think about it, if these multiverses exist, wouldn’t Sephiroth go to a universe where no one could stop him? OH WAIT, he can’t. Cause there’s only ONE GAIA and ONE LIFESTREAM. He can’t go anywhere else.
These worlds only exist in the Lifestream and NO ONE CAN GO IN IT. It’s basically the Spirit World.
Agreed, there is no multiverse or timelines.
Its all in the lifestream. There exists planes of existences within the lifestream created by the planets memories.
I have to correct you about one thing tho, Sephiroth can exist in these planes, because we see him with Zack and then with Aerith, but he can not be absorbed into the planet because he is partially made up of Jenova.
@@pandaeyez No you misunderstand from me, that's the thing about Sephiroth that makes him dangerously unique yet where all the stakes stop.
He can't travel to any REAL multiverses like a different FF7 Gaia or the other FF worlds (I.E. FF1-17...unless it's like a Dissidia situation lol) BUT he can manipulate whatever he wants in the Lifestream because of the fact that he's part JENOVA as a wanderer.
I see more people complaining because multiverses are overplayed at this point, mainly because of marvel fucking it up in the past few years. Being bored of the concept doesn’t make it bad by default.
its not necessarily multiverse though.
The planet encompasses many "worlds". multiverse isnt exclusive to one planet, its multiple universes.
These "worlds" are likely planes of existences within the lifestream created by memories and knowledge of the planet.
Sephiroth: *shows the multiverse*
TVA: Time to get to work
Sephiroth would easily destroy them along with Kang.
While there are many variants of Kang, Sephiroths memetic legacy effect doesnt allow him to die, he just keeps coming back.
Ohh...i think im understanding that clip at 3:10 that featured Cloud in a robed hood. That could be a world where Cloud succeeded at a test subject or succumbed to degredation, and became another robed person.
I think it's actually a glimpse of the future. In the original game, there's a segment where Cloud loses his mind and becomes near-catatonic. (Tifa later helps heal his memory after they both fall into the Lifestream.) But given the way the Remake games are still largely following the original plot, but with twists, I expect Cloud will probably succumb to his degradation/Sephiroth's control and briefly become one of the robed figures before Tifa and the others rescue him.
Until Lightning fought him by herself..
@@Zaxaresexcept that Tifa already fell into the lifestream once. So the question is, will she do it again with Cloud? Or maybe she won't be there to save him, which is what Seph wants.
Like Zack, and Sephiroth, Cloud can't degrade, he thinks that he's degrading but he actually isn't affected, it's just that Jenova and Sephiroth have more influence over him because he wasn't prepared or trained up for the mako infusion and S cells.
Zack was trained up for this which is why he shows zero symptoms, very literally a flawless 1st class SOLDIER.
Sephiroth's a different story but I think it's obvious that he'd be too strong to be controlled by Jenova anyway.
Could be the future. There’s technically 3 clouds now who’s to say that not the cloud that shinra took at the beginning or coma cloud with Zack brought into the new timeline.
Sephiroth is so beautiful, cloud is very sweet, this was a beautiful part of the game.
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Just a reminder: Nomura was holding back from the Multiverse bullshit but Kitase wanted it. So blame Kitase, not Nomura.
Really?
@@Kaybossboi yes. Nomura was actually the only one who wanted a faithful remake while the other staff wanted to go full on multiverse.
@@dee_dee4640 good
@@dee_dee4640 thats actually not true, its the other way round, Nomura and Kitase both wanted extreme changes, but the other staff wanted a faithful remake
0:47 FFXIV SMN casting ruin III sound effect lol
I find the concept interesting, IF handled with care. This whole scene raises the stakes x100.
Hopefully, they have written the conclusion well for part 3. Enough of Kingdom Hearts nonsense. Passing bad, lazy writing for sophistication, and to push for more nonsensiscal sequels under a popular brand name.
exactly! I hope they don't use the KH route
This piece Is an important Key to understand a lot about the direction the game and the characters are taking......It makes you understand a lot if you stop from time to time and take some moment to reflect on what they are showing you....This Trilogy Is fucking deep,and probably a lot of ppl Will be unable to really appreciate It......
@@federicamacchia1656 this 💯
@@federicamacchia1656 Can u explain what u understand from this sequence? I saw it multiple times now and im still confused
@@Yuu-sj7fn there are some things to consider,watching this sequence...This,of course,Is not a remake,but a continuation of the story we use to know.Before begin this project,about a possible remake,Nojima asked to ppl "But you really likes the way FF 7 ended???"...Because,of course,it's a masterpiece,but it's in many ways a very sad story.Later,the director said that,After 30 years spento with this story,he should have wanted to give a Happy ending to all the characters,since this remake Is really a closure,but,of course,this cannot be Just his choice.During this sequence,we learn Something..for every choice there is a consequence,and every consequence can create an entire different universe of new possibilities.....Our free Will Is Something that belongs just to ourselves,when we are in condition (mentally and phisically)to use it,there's not a written destiny.But our life is heavily conditioned by the choiced that ppl around us make,sometimes against our will or our possibility to stop them,to change their decisions......But if somebody could become enough powerful ,in some way,to understand at the same Moment where all the choices could lead,throught time and space,then that Person could become similar to the Destiny itself,to God,and push the things in the direction he desires.This Is what Jenova,under the aspects of Sephiroth,Is trying to do...But After the death,from inside Lifestream,this Is also Something that Aerith can do.Light and darkness are fighting each other for the right to lead us in theyr own direction...this Is what Cloud have to take consciousness of,this is what he's called to do.The OG,in the end,shows a planet again pure and free,but without trace of human race..the Planet has selected us for the extinction,judging the human race as a menace.This,also,Is an end we are called to avoid("the world Will be saved,but you?")...and this Is One of the direction the devs are pushing the game...this time,we must make the Planet recognize that the human being deserves a chance
Now I kind of want a Sephiroth and Cloud version of Rick and Morty.
Aww geez.....Cloud?
@@terrancecloverfield6791 "I'm sorry, Cloud, it's a bummer... in reality you're as basic infantry as they come...
..and I needed that Black Materia REAL bad and had to give it up; just to get your FRIENDS off my back. So now you're gonna have to come and give it to me. And then we're gonna go on and summon Meteor, Cloud. And you're gonna keep your MOUTH SHUT about it, Cloud.. .because the world is full of idiots that don't understand what's important. And they'l TEAR us apart, Cloud!! But if you stick with me, I'm gonna accomplish great things, Cloud, and you're gonna be part of 'em. And together we're gonna run around, Cloud, we're gonna... do all kinds of wonderful things, Cloud. Just you and me, Cloud. The outside world is our enemy, Cloud... we're the only... friends we've got, Cloud! It's just Sephiroth and Cloud. Sephiroth and Cloud and their adventures, Cloud.. SEPHIROTH AND CLOUD FOREVER AND FOREVER A HUNDRED YEARS Sephiroth and Cloud.. some...things.. Me and Sephiroth and Cloud runnin' around and... Sephiroth and Cloud time... a- all day long forever.. all a -a hundred days Sephiroth and Cloud! forever a hundred times... OVER and over Sephiroth and Cloud... adventures dot com.. WWW dot at Sephiroth and Cloud dot com w..w.w... Sephiroth and Cloud adventures.. ah- hundred years... every minute Sephiroth and Cloud dot com... wwwa hundred times... Sephiroth and Cloud dot com. .......
Now I'm picturing the Rick rant scene in the garage with Sephiroth standing over Cloud as he rambles on about how it'll be just the two of them doing a hundred more remakes and how his actual motivation is finding more szechuan McChocobo nugget dipping sauce.
The merging of worlds to become Safer Sephiroth
I don't care about other ff7 fans, i love multiverse stuff and i loved this game so much. Can't wait for part 3!!
I love the remixed city of the ancients theme. Is the soundtrack out anywhere?
Its not city of ancients theme. Its "You Can Hear the Cries of the Planet" theme.
Now Cloud is an Avenger!
Love the added depth.
This multiverse trope is only special for the first time when whoever pulled this stuff. Now everyone and their moms want to use this tired trope in their movies/video games and it's aggravating as fuck at this point.
Agree so much. OG had impact at the heart, people died. This multiverse bullshit is a slap in the face. Call the “remake” a sequel and then so be it…. But the writers are not, they are saying it’s the original but current with todays times. Bullshit, why is everyone so against death in these types of stories?? Zack died, Avalanche members were killed along with many innocents in 7. Aerith died.
Dude needs to go write another ridiculous kingdom hearts story since he already butchered that beyond reason
@@timothyhanlon2171yeah, Zack and Aerith death now is pointless lol. So in another timeline they are fine. What is even the point. The stake is not so high after all.
@@yrh002b8other aerth is not the same Aerith everyone is there own individual person
Wow great plan Sephiroth. Instead of fighting one Cloud now you get to fight endless Clouds. Surely that isn't a bad idea...
Multiverse and time travel again.
First off, there is no time travel mentioned at all, secondly, technically multiverse is not actually exactly mentioned either.
Whats most likely the case, and this is suggested by the devs, is that the "worlds" being referred to are just planes of existences within the lifestream formed by the planets memories. So its just planes of the lifestream.
I knew it Final fantasy Universes are connected to each others!!!
Lightning herself was the multiverse once..
I guess if we see Sephiroth in others games is all part of a alternative timeline.
So much for being a remake
A remake does not necessarily mean exactly the same, as you can remake something into something else.
This is basically the plot of Kingdom Hearts, where whoever opens KH gets reborn as God and gets to recreate and restart reality in their image.
Nomura: I like multiverse and complicated plots.
Fans: there was nothing wrong with the original story.
The only thing i'd change is aerith surviving..thats it
@@BlueMoon56832 I wouldn't. Her death played a big part in the planet being saved and huge motivation for the party to press forward.
I guess i'll respect your opinon on that but i still hold mine
@@BlueMoon56832 fair enough
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What’s the name of the ost?
you can hear the cries of the planet
The Final Fantasy Verse
I want this to end with Sephiroth kinda getting his way. A new world forms everyone’s happy but Sephiroths dead and we get a goddamn explanation for the end of dirge with genesis popping up somewhere
no thanks, keep dirge and shitty genesis out of it
IT LOOKS LIKE SEPHIROTH WANTS TO KISS CLOUD STRIFE ON THE LIPS
Who doesn't
@@TaydolfSwifterliquid ocelot kissed old snake during battle as an Easter eggs. 🤣🤣
I like how you busted out Cloud's full name for that comment lol
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People are really leaning into the multiverse theory and I honestly don't understand why. Giving Sephiroth the plot point of the Ascian's goal of rejoining the 13 reflections of the source in FFXIV is pretty dumb. OG FF7 always pointed out that people return to the life stream and FF7 Rebirth leans very heavily into the topic of death and the emotions humans go through despite returning to the life stream. The repeated line "It's not death, it's a homecoming" phrase used to celebrate death, not mourn it. So essentially, Sephiroth's goal is to revel in death of all things, as this is apparently something Jenova once did. If we look at the difference between the Cetra and the Gi, the Cetra returned to the life stream while the Gi could not. The Gi created the black materia as they are forced to live as specters after death as they are extraterrestrial beings on the the planet. Their emotions regarding the concept of death is different from the rest of the inhabitants because the long for a true death. The black materia is to meant to basically reduce everything to nothingness. Then there's the whispers, meant to be a guide to keep the planets destiny unchanged. They serve as a meta 4th wall representation to the players about narrative changes to the the stories major events from the original game. However, we see Sephiroth and the Weapons utilize Whispers. White whispers seem to be on the side to protect the planet's destiny, with whispers seemingly infected by Sephiroth's will due to... well... spoilers for anyone that hasn't played the original. let's just say if you know, you know.
Anyway, I don't think there's a multiverse. Sephiroth starts doing a lot of meta talk from this point on. The "True nature of reality" would really refer to perceptions of world through the eyes of an individual and "what ifs". "When the boundaries of fate or breached, new worlds are born." From a meta analysis, people take their hopes, dreams, and regrets to their grave. In game, the life stream is also a reservoir of the planet's memories, and by extension, the memories of the people that have returned to the life stream. "Some quickly perish... while others endure." refers to the the willpower of and strength of a persons belief in their convictions . And this case, it's how strongly they hold on to them to them to their death. You see this in Zack. Make no mistake, the man is dead dead. This isn't something that's going to be so easily retconned by something like the multiverse, especially considering he is very prominent in the life stream, along with Aerith, in Advent Children. His hopes, dreams, and conviction endured even after his death, but we see Zack falter a bit when he is forced to choose between saving Cloud or saving Biggs, both that turn out to be nothing burgers. When Cloud states the planet is screaming, and Sephiroth says that he thought he'd finally understand. Maybe this is because Cloud also has the S-Cells in him, but we already know the planet is screaming because Jenova infected the life stream and Sephiroth is manipulating it. But Sephiroth seems to interpret it as screams of joy. This may be why, despite people infected by Hojo's experiments with Jenova's cells, they are able to return to the life stream, despite having genes that from something not of the planet. "Let go of the past, Cloud. We are the bear witness to the reunion of worlds" more meta commentary to the player that this version of the Reunion Theory is different from the OG. With more talk of the promise land in Remake and Rebirth, and specifically with Rebirth as a title for a game that focuses very much on death and loss; I believe Sephiroth's goals are very simple. Especially after we see the part of the ending with Rufus.
Sephiroth wants forcefully enter the promised land by using the meteor to do something very ironic. Remove individual perception to accept the actual reality of death. Through accepting death, there is nothing to mourn. Instead of defying fate, accept that death is the fate of all things. He is actively challenging the planet to except this reality of it's death in a celebration to throw open the gates to the promised land, which he feels is his birthright and by extension, it 's satisfying Hojo's scientific hypothesis of the new version of the Reunion Theory.
Edit: Forgot to also link the other part of what he means by worlds. This could signify the joining of life and death. Immortality, but in a way unlike the Gi. Not of just spirit but of flesh as he doesn't suffer from degradation, unlike other SOLDIERs.
TLDR; I don't believe in the multiverse theory. Sephiroth's goals are slightly different, but he is ultimately repeating the same actions. The outcome of the remakes will more or less still come out the same, just recontextualized.
Just tell us about the crystals. Thats all I wanna know.
wrong final fantasy
Sephiroth said about the white matter that Aerith gave: A very poor form. That is, both black and white matter have a charge, respectively, of hatred and love. Cloud was left with an empty Holy Materia at the end of the game.
he said its poor form because Cloud and Aerith essentially cheated
black and white materia is not about hatred and love. The black materia was created by the Gi to destroy them, the white materia was created by the ancients to counter it, thats it
I can't find this OST
This is the theme of the ancients.
the track is called "you can hear the cries of the planet"
Who wrote this? lol
TETSUYA NOMURA
Nojima or Kitase wrote it but maybe Nomura also approved it.
The makers of ff7
@@ashtoricDUMB
Sepiroth shows cloud how lazy writers have gotten and how the multiverse will milk this franchise in the future with shitty spin offs.
You know it lol. Wouldn't surprise me if part 3 include a alternative ending where they leave room for a part 4 in the future if they ever want to revisit it.
there is no multiverse
It’s hilarious how people keep saying that when he’s literally saying they all merging into one , that’s his plan and yet people miss that with multiverse theory .
Wheres the universe where Square and Disney made a FF9 movie?
I highly doubt we're going to get deep into this whole multiverse concept and just focus on the worlds important to the story.......i hope
I think the multiverse here is young and only started at the end of remake and probably the multiverse will end in the ending of part 3
there is no multiverse in this story, mark my words
I don't care what anyone says, the multiverse will always be an exciting concept to explore.
In practice yes, but I’m pretty sure people are fatigued from the multiverse being in everything. Personally I’m fine with it as long as it is handled properly.
except there is no multiverse in this story, its all within the lifestream
ok so what youre saying is theres an entire possibility that sephiroth is aware of my existance and therefore loves me back and would let me fix him.
Why am I getting some last of us 2 ending bullshit vibes??
Multiverse themed stories are cooked by lazy, half-assed writers.
Who the hell thought it would be a good idea to inject the multiverse into FF7? Why did it need a multiverse angle? The story was perfectly fine without it. Every movie, comic, and video game that injected this concept became dumber for it. Its a tired troupe that needs to die.
Nah your brain is as big as a brain of a cave man that can't comprehend the multiverse plot
there is no multiverse in this story
@@pandaeyez lol ultimania guidebook for rebirth confirms the multiverse plot lol.... Even that jung's collective unconscious theory and Buddhist yogachara leveled up the multiverse concept to outerverse lol
kinda really tired of this multiverse shenanigans thing
I mean in a final fantasy it's pretty normal
Exactly. Where were you during FF8, FF9, or FF10?
Isn't about 8 time loop, 9 about different planet, and 10 about fictional place? They're not multiverse
Brother this game is so good wdym your tired …. It’s pretty normal for me from day 1 since the remake
@@terrancecloverfield6791or 11, 12, 13, 14, 15, or 16?
It's exactly as the same entering the Lifestream in OG.
This multiverse discussion is just ass
yep
why does everything has to have a mutliverse now???? it getting lame
What a great disaster. Tetsuya Nomura should be ashamed of the stupid shit he is doing to ruin a perfect story.
sadly...like come on, this is getting weird adding the whole multiverse in. They should've JUST had Zack crossing over to the main timeline of Remake, not having this multiverse stuff
It’s not really that surprising since the writer’s Nomura, the guy who wrote Kingdom Hearts.
it shows with how shitty those games are too story wise.@@wat1530
When I wanted a FF7 remake, I wanted one like Mario RPG, not this shit.@@Samuel_Loegan
@@patrickdobson8323 understandable
Ngl this generally ruined the story for me.
How? You ran around as Zack in an alternative timeline half a dozen times before this even happened.
@Babylauncher3000 I thought they'd only make it 2 timelines but instead they went full multiverse smh
@@wiseguy240Winston They are more like "back ups". The Planet can't manipulate destiny to protect itself anymore so it's going with probability to produce as many potential saviors as possible. So far its a failing strategy because Sephiroth can and seemingly has visited numerous of these alt timelines and still kills important people.
And to make matters worse is that Nomura was holding back the multiverse storyline for the remakes. That’s right. The guy who has been laughed at for making convoluted Kingdom Hearts stories was the one holding back but since you guys hated his ass. We are going to get a multiverse story.
These ain’t timelines, it’s MEMORIES. Understand that? The Lifestream is made up of memories of people’s whole lives before returning to the Lifestream. I thought it was alternate timelines myself until I thought “Wait…this isn’t how multiverse or alt timelines stuff works…this seems different.”
When I think of alt timelines, I think of time travel and different changes by BEING at a time period or event to make the changes. When I think of multiverses, I think of something like the Spider-verse where EVERYTHING is different including events and it’s unique to itself.
Because multiverses or timelines don’t fucking die out every time a change happens.
Remember Sephiroth’s quote in Advent Children, “I will never be a memory.”
He is killing memories to gain the path to GODHOOD.
Chrono cross did it better
did what better? there is no time travel or multiverse in this story. the fans have just misunderstood.
Its all within the lifestream
@@pandaeyez different possible realities that we as the player are experiencing or in the very least “being exposed to” might as well be multiverse. I love it and the direction and the gameplay. (Maybe more story instead of openworldness for me) I am genuinely curious and don’t know what may happen I love it. But the story could’ve used some more drafts.