cEDH Week! | Commander Clash S11E06
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- Опубликовано: 16 сен 2021
- This week the crew lets their spikey side show through with a game (or two) or cEDH! How will come out on top? Watch to find out!
Aminatou, the Fateshifter vs. Magda, Brazen Outlaw vs. Tiamat vs. Marwyn, the Nurturer
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like watching toddlers play with industrial equipment XD
It's so beautiful
Its.part of their charm
It's so funny seeing how many times they could've won but just punted away
just watching this i got a few good chuckles, they need to play more CEDH to understand the decks and combos, hope to see more of these.
Hey seth, kqbj here super glad to see someone else on the deck definitely some misplays but not unsurprising being an inexperienced cedh player and newer to the deck, love to see the deck popping off if anyone's interested or has questions about the list feel free to dm me. That game 1 hand was nuts. after seeing the way you played the deck I might add more information to my primer on moxfield.
also another thing Ad naus is so dangerous on this deck I have killed myself more than once with it it's super risky
Mana Confluence for Gitaxian Probe is an immediate Commander moment
Seth actually had the win at 35:00 and could have stopped with his Ad Nauseum
Crim has one blue floating so we have to play around Spell Pierce, but we can Pact of Negation at any time to stop that
Play the Tropical Island
Dark Ritual, 1 B and 1 G in pool, 4 B and 1 G after resolution.
Vampiric Tutor for Snap. 3 B and 1 G floating
Cycle the Veil of Summer, since Crim cast Ad Naus this turn we draw a card. 3 B in pool. Spells can no longer be countered this turn.
Cast Snap on an elf, using the tropical island and a floating black, untapping tropical island and underground sea. 2 B in pool, Topical Island and Underground Sea untapped.
Tap the Tropical Island and Underground Sea for UU, cast Oracle, Consultation in response to the Oracle trigger, name Abandon Hope. 1 B in pool for the Mana Tithe just in case.
I have no idea what you just said but I'm very impressed.
he had a frantic search in hand as well he didnt need to tutor for snap
Pithing needle name thassas oracle. Problem solved.
I was thinking he could play Badlands and tutor for Breach
Needle is activated abilities only.
Been a while since seth greeded himself to death. Feels nostalgic
Seth didn't know the underworld breach + brain freeze + led combo, that whas a straight win for him
seeing Crim pay mana (and 1 life) for Git Probe: painful. Seeing him check for counters in the only blue player's hand and then still not cast Ad Naus with 3 mana available: worse.
Seth, you can use brain freeze in a combo with LED and Underworld Breach to self mill enough to pay the escape cost and later mill everyone else due to the storm of brain freeze
Cedh commander clash is by far my favorite theme they do.
As a cEDH player watching these is pretty rough but it's still funny to watch 😅
The best part is the table politics. It doesn't happen nearly as much in cEDH because there are no politics to be had. People know the threats of the table and want to get rid of them while progressing themselves, no need to bargain. If they deemed it a large enough threat then they either know that you desperately needed it gone to and are wary of you or they take it as a favor and remember it.
Edit: the unfortunate thing is that the only politics involve playing around rhystic or the fish. There's always that one person that throws everything out the window because they assume they can turbo faster even though the fish has drawn them 13 cards. Can speak from experience as a fish player. Once had a game that I vast esper sentinel, fish, rhystic, copied fish, and sorcery speed teferi by turn 4. Everyone scooped because they didn't have enough removal to handle the 3 or 4 cards I'd draw from it and the 3 free counters in hand.
Spoiler: Crim didn't have to change anything in his deckbuilding or play style this week :D. Loved Phil's and Seth's spicy brews!!!
cEDH week is always hilarious, love y'all.
I legit just watch these to hear the "clash on" every single week
I was not expecting to be this entertained by 4 people completely bungling cedh decks but this episode was so fun
I LOVE IT WHEN YOU GUYS DO CEDH WEEK! YEES. It’s so entertaining, and you guys actually do better than I think you think you do. CLASH ON
Two people could've combo off and won right away, but instead they squandered it for resources. I think they do worse than you think they do XD. Granted I only noticed one. Someone else picked up on the other
@@makenamaehara2815 I hadn’t watched the video yet, based on my language. I was basing my opinion off of past cedh weeks, as well as other people I know who play much less optimally. There no need to make a negative quip here, we’re all just here to have fun and watch the video
I hate cEDH with a passion! There are enough turn 3 formats in the game that I don't want my favourite format turning into that. Seth, Phil, and Tomer (from previous seasons) make it almost fun, though
@@adamfiliatreault3393 why do you have to crap on how other people want to play the game? We have fun playing cool and fast decks, and you and others might like grinder more voltron-ey games, and there’s nothing wrong with that. Edh won’t turn into a competitive format, there’s just a meta-game of people who have a lot of fun going fast. If you’re going to trash on other people’s fun then you’re just as bad as a pub-stomper who doesn’t care about casual players fun.
@@masonpotato4131 why can't there be one format that isn't gated by high prices (you can't play cEDH without a deck full of original duals and reserved list cards) and the fact that you pretty much have to play blue (which is actually why I loved Phil's deck this game). cEDH takes a fun format where all cards are possible and turns it into a format where you have to play certain cards or you'll just keep losing by turn 3
I love punt week
I promote this as the new name for goldfish cedh week.
On this week of "Punt or Bluff?" will Phil's Elves forestwalk to victory or will Crim find a way to steal everyone's cards? Tune in to find out!
Poor Richard was forced to suffer because Seth missed his winning line (see other comment for detailed explanation).
Richard had the win on turn 3, Seth I believe had it on turn 2, watching these guys play cEDH is hilarious though
@@corey6597 tbh I missed the Richard T3 win, what was the line?
Tap Magda (any way would do) he would have 5 treasures, use Magda to tutor Clock of Omens, tap the Mimic and the clock to untap the mimic and make a treasure, tap the treasure and the mimic to untap the mimic and make another treasure, repeat a million times, use the infinite tapped treasures you have to use Magda to infinitely tutor Pyrite Spellbomb, Elixir of Immortality, and Lion's Eye Diamond, loop till victory
@@corey6597 thanks! I’m not familiar with Magda lists at all lol.
@@Goldfisher lol your welcome, Magda is my favorite cEDH list
CLASH ON!!!
Hats off to Phil, who went from never playing commander 6 episodes ago to play cEDH... Didnt do too bad for your first time! Love the vids gang!
Does anyone else get a strange kind of enjoyment from watching like three members of the crew have wins in hand and none of them realise it?
I think I've got Phil's win on turn 9.
Play Chrome Mox pitching Rishkar's Expertise. Use Sol Ring + 5 Forests + Fyndhorn + Marwyn to play both Temur Sabertooth and Ashaya, leaving Nykthos untapped. Ashaya turns Eternal Witness and Scryb Ranger into Forests; tap those for the two mana to activate Nykthos, making 9 Green mana. Use Sabertooth's ability to bounce and replay Fyndhorn twice, putting two counters on Marwyn and leaving GGG floating. Activate Scryb Ranger, targeting Marwyn and returning itself (since Ashaya makes it a forest). Now you have a loop - Marwyn taps for 3 and Scryb Ranger costs 2 to play and then untap Marwyn bouncing itself, so you generate G each loop. (Once you have 5 mana you can bounce and replay Fyndhorn to grow Marwyn and speed up the loop for MODO.) Here you can either make enough mana to loop Fyndhorn to grow Marwyn to lethal, or make enough mana, then use Sabertooth to pick up and replay Eternal Witness to get back Ezuri to pump Marwyn for lethal.
There are probably other lines, but I had to sit with the video paused for several minutes to work out all of this one, and I don't blame Phil for missing it.
Oh wow! There's no way I think of that on the spot xD
No need for the chrome mox
Tap Sol Ring and 4 Forest (6 mana)
Play Ashaya (-5, 1G)
Tap Fyndhorn Elves, Eternal Witness, Scryb ranger and Marwyn (+4, 5G)
Play Temur Sabertooth (-4, 1G)
Untap a creature using scryb ranger bouncing itself, tap it for 1G (+1, 2G)
Pool Nykthos (-2+8, 8G)
Bounce Fyndhorn with Sabertooth (-2G, 6G)
Play Fyndhorn and Scryb Ranger, boosting marwyn (-3, 3G)
Bounce Fynhorn with sabertooth (-2, 1G)
Untap Marwyn with scryb ranger bouncing itself and add 2G with her (+2, 3G)
Play Fyndhorn and Scryb Ranger, boosting marwyn to 3 (-3, 0 mana)
Demonstrate loop bouncing scryb ranger to itself untaping marwin and adding 3G, playing scryb -2G, net 1G each loop
infinite mana, infinite bounce with sabertooth, infinite E wit, infinitely big marwyn, draw all deck with expertise, have fun
Clash on 🤩
reading the cards - explains the cards, sometimes.
enter, companions
You guys definitely need a cheesy “Clash on!” graphic and voiceline to play at the start of each game, phoenix wright style.
Seeing Aminatou makes me so happy
Brain freeze combos with lions eye diamond and underworld breach I believe
Me seeing the title card : "Tiamat is Cedh? How the heck...Oh I bet its food chain"
Seth : "Its not food chain"
Me : *thinks* "I wonder if Food Chain could go in my deck..if I did I could feed some dorks to Tiamat..then get Morophon and use Tiamat to cast Morophon and OH MY GAAAAAAAAWWWWDDDD"
Doing it without a dragon named prosh would be impressive.
@@kingfuzzy2 ramp to tiamat with dorks and foodchain. tiamat gets morophon, scion, niv reborn, ur dragon and karthus tyrant of jund. exile tiamat to food chain, cast morophon. scion and niv reborn now net 6 mana each. cast ur for eminance. cast tiamat again. get the tribal versions of the dragonlords, or the shard/wedge dragons, all cheaper cause of morphon. eventually swing out with Karthus' tyrant lord of jund haste
@@RyuPlaneswalker that's beautiful thank you
@@kingfuzzy2 ps i have a deck i can just put food chain in to do it
Oh that's quite lovely eh
6:52 the little jokes like these that remind me that Richard is technically everyone's boss give me a good chuckle. He seems like a good dude to work for.
Can you guys please post the primers for the decks? Would love to read the Magda's one
Exiling Vitalize T_T
Once Marwyn with enough power, infinite mana with E-wit + Temur sabertooth + vitalize. Then getting back ezuri, then infinite/infinite elves for the kill
Clashin' on babyy
Pro tip: you CAN activate Inventors' Fair's search ability even if you only control say, three treasures. FIRST you announce your intent to activate the ability. THEN the ability checks for "metalcraft." 3 artifacts = OK. THEN you have the chance to activate mana abilities, so you can sacrifice the treasures to pay. THEN the ability goes on the stack, even if you don't control 3 artifacts anymore.
38:45 I finally understand why Crim has problems with the MODO interface. Instead of right clicking the stop then clicking Phil he just clicked the top side of the stop.
Woot, more commander!!
Pretty sure Richard can win @21:00. Sac 4 treasures + pithing needle, get Clock of Omens. Tap clock and mantle to untap Mimic. Tap mimic and Torpor Orb to untap mimic, mimic creates a treasure. Tap mimic and treasure to repeat, get infinite treasures, get the combo pieces, win?
CLASH ON!
Clash on, my dudes... clash on
You had a peer into the abyss and enough mana to cast it with veil... yikes lol
CLASH ON!!
Clash on!!!
Seth had the win for n hand on turn 2 he crack the fetch get black, cast his wish claw off the black land and vault, crack diamond for red crack claw for breach cast it cast brain freeze from grave begin loop
CLASH OOOOON!!!!
Brain Freeze is for the underworld breach / lion's eye diamond combo, you can repeatadly cast those to fill your graveyard and find your win cons
In 2nd game at 1:43:55 Seth should have cast time twister after dream hall and then discarded any non-land to get Tiamat and then have way more cards to cast things via dream hall.
Edit: I know he wins anyway but he has abolisher so timetwister-ing first has almost no downside and makes his line easier and probably more resilient.
Everyone needs to say clash on!
Better be a Clash On in this video.
*Clash* *On* !
I need Phil and Crim to join in on the Clash On!
Clash On!!!
You know, I would be interested in seeing the perspective pivot for each person's turn.
tomer probably just doesn't want to do that many cuts and whi could blame him? it'd quadruple the work for a very minor pay off
The way Phil played that elf turn was rough to watch
Clash on!
Seth has the win off his adnaus. This is wild
Shaking my head watching commander clash play edh... Clash on... Punts...
Brain Freeze also finds its way into cEDH as a hate card against certain strategies to kill them when they try to win. A good example is against Doomsday. You let Doomsday resolve and then when they go to cast a card draw spell, you Brain Freeze them and it often can mill them out even if they have counter spells because of how storm works and then their card draw resolves and they lose.
CLASH ON
So who is going to be the one to tell Crim that this is the updated interface, and the achaeic one involved you having to open up a seperate menu within the interface in order to set the stops on other people's turns in multiplayer games?
I feel like Seth could be a fan of the brewers corner😂
Clash on! Clash on! Clash on! Clash on!
What format are you playing? CDH or EDH or CEDH. Not sure because you said all of them.
Phil as an elves player I am still crying, so many ways to win sooner :D, but fun has no prize :D
How is this bladewing loop surposed to work ? Don't you have to put the baldewing trigger in the stack before statebased actions are checked?
State-based actions are checked before triggers are put on the stack.
Torpor Orb for elves will likely want to use a creature like Viridian Zealot, which is usually worse than Rec Sage, but has upsides in a case like this. Cursed Totem is probably more of a problem, but Rec Sage, the better card, hits that like a bullseye. Elfball is actually more troubled by hatebears I think, though most hatebears don't interfere very much with elfball, the ones that do are very hard for G to deal with. CoCo is probably a good enough card for elfball, but you're more or less paying 4 to draw 2 cards and cheat them into play, but they have to be small creatures. You'll probably find mana dorks, which can be good I guess.
Re-Blood Moon, I like having Back to Basics out with Energy Flux or Archon of Emeria, any pairing really cripples what people can do. If you get out all 3, it's probably time for people to scoop, unless they run lots of mana dorks/basics. On the very significant downside, you can have an opening hand with no mana rocks sometimes and 3 of the same basic land, because you want to run quite a few with Back, and you don't really want to run more than 10 mana rocks if you're packing Energy Flux. Still, that isn't a particularly likely hand, and running that pile of cards is much cheaper than buying all the pricey duals and mana rocks, and it does a decent job of making all those cards feel really bad. Long story short, Blood Moon without additional support might feel a bit lean.
I feel like you should pick a lane when it comes to Ad Naus and Peer... Maybe in Ikra, where the life gain can actually make playing both a relevant possibility they both work, but in Tiamat it seems like you're not going to gain much life. I also agree, Ad Naus seems actively bad in a deck with that many big hits, but it's a good desperation card, where you might get lucky and steal a game you'd have otherwise lost, because 5 mana to draw 10-20 cards can close some games. So yeah, looked at the decklist, I think Ad Naus has no business there, not only do you have 2 7s, and a 6, you have 5 other 5 drops. Peer and another tutor to find Peer seems like what he should be running over Ad Naus if they want to run big clunky cards.
It's always fun watching people play cEDH that aren't really used to playing such difficult decks. I have a deck that is pretty hard to pilot, so I end up punting all the time when I play it, but it's a good enough deck that it can still win sometimes, even with me punting. It's in the awkward space where it really isn't cEDH, but it's also too pushed for most casual play (it's all in on infinite combo, though the combos can be pretty nifty/require several weird cards to work together). It actually doesn't do anything obnoxious other than infinite combo, and it almost always wins when it goes infinite (and can do so quickly), so it's not worst offender for this type of deck.
My unasked for opinion about cEDH and what is 'strong enough' is that your deck needs to be able to either stop at least 1 win attempt by turn 3 with no help (this means 2 good pieces of interaction usually, 1 of which must be a hard counter), or it needs to be threatening a win itself *consistently*. In cEDH that means threatening the early win by turn 3 with ~half of your possible hands (IE you struggle to draw bad hands, IE all lands is still playable with your Commander somehow). If your deck isn't doing either of those things, it's not really a 'good' cEDH deck. There aren't decks that are consistent before turn 3 AFAIK, but plenty of decks can threaten early wins on a lucky draw, forcing people to have interaction or just lose. Stax is the closest thing to an exception, where you try to have something heinous set up by turn 3 that makes it very hard to win through. Winter Orb, Cursed Totem, Rule of Law, Contamination, all those nasty cards that really mess with the game can make up for lacking counter magic sometimes. If it didn't, we'd see very few non-blue decks tbh. That said, counters are more or less king, so if you wonder if you deck is going to be easy to play in cEDH, you should at least have 1 of these 3; counters, stax, or a very fast and consistent combo. Many great decks feature all 3 of those to good effect.
Crim needed 1 more land to cast Opposition Agent to stop Seth. That's kind of funny. If Richard had Blast Zoned the Grand Abolisher, Crim could have casted the Opposition Agent with Dream Halls.
Clash on!!!!!
clash on!
Cursed mirror is from the lorehold precon
Some hype for ma gurl Aminatou
Ooof that intuition for tutors for something that doesn't win hurt a lot.
Ashaya + Scryb Rangers bro
Magda is so much fun when you have a bunch of treasures. Dude hit me for 80+ commander damage and I got platinum angel and darksteel forge in response.
I think Richard meant Skyclave Relic from Zendikar Rising? 🤔 2:16
Clash on
I feel like Phil really came into his own over the past two games! Love seeing more of his humor and personality shine through!
The most camera switches in any episode
Love Goldfish but this was so painful to watch haha. So many punts but also hilarious.
That being said I hope yall keep doing cedh week. Its really fun to watch yall play.
Could Phil have gone infinite with the Vitalize he exiled to cast Force of Vigor using Ashaya? Untap all creatures, make enough mana to bounce Eternal Witness, play it, get back Vitalize, repeat infinitely and eventually win from there?
Yea vitalize can go infinite, but you'd need more than 6 creatures to break even : 2 for the sabertooth activation, 3 for eternal witness, and then 1 for vitalize. If you have 7 creatures that doesnt have summoning sickness, it goes infinite! Marawyn helps a lot tho, if she's a 3/3+, she can reduce the amount of required creatures ;) !
Can we please have a voice drop of Tomer saying “Clash on”?
Richard could have used dermotaxi to get to 5 treasures at -13 minutes
Time for lives is messed up.
Phil is awesome
Uh Phil is hot. Thank you for coming ty ted talk
I feel cedh is very skill intensive. Due to being high powered and singleton, probably even more so than older formats.
It's very skill intensive indeed, if you built your deck you normally know almost every combo lines, which is something they didnt get to have hahah
Tomer call in Clash On YES
This is why Seth isn't allowed to play decks that do anything besides durdle and draw cards.
This week we are going to venture into cEDH, with only 1 fringy cEDH list (Crim) and 3 cEDH wildcards you will almost never see at a cEDH table....
Seth you intuition for sevines led breech
daaaammmn no turn 2 ad naus from crim crushed my soul
Yo Crim, second game you could've stopped Seth. Dream Halls is a bilateral effect, and that was opposition agent in your hand right?
Grand abolished stopped it
@@davidsewnauth140 I've never once played against grand abolished so i completely forgot that effect. I have however played a lot of dream halls and seen people forget. Oops.
Dragons and aminatou ( :
Sad belbe wasn't on here
Did anyone else hear the "edge" when Phil said the deck name or am I hallucinating
I think seth could have just tutored for Underworld Breach on turn 2 and won right there
Seth could’ve won. He had 3 life he could’ve cast vampiric tutor for a mana rock and then veil of summer to draw it. Then he still has pact of negation to deal with Crims counterspell.
Clash on stickers when?
There are people in live chat saying if he cast Ashaya he could have made infinite mana. How could he do that with a summoning sick marwyn?
just waiting for sheldon to play against oracle so competitive matches can be more interesting than who oracles first or in this case correctly.
26:34 Shake the room