Judge Zeller and the East Boston Preparatory School - Fallout 4 Lore
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Oxhorn, if you ever do any audio recordings for books I will listen to all of them because you have a really nice voice.
Dementia Demise Agreed
Dementia Demise Dito
Think he's already made a book.
Same
oh he should do a dramatic reading of a book on here like the postman or the road
"Discreet".
Blows everything up in sight.
9:13 the most unrealistic thing in the fallout universe (that I surprisingly missed multiple times) is the idea that those foam acoustic panels survived nuclear war plus 210 years without disintegrating to dust, let alone without falling off the wall. 😅
The skeleton bits in the locker could easily be posed by a raider, but they could also be an oblique reference to somebody having been _stuffed in a locker_ *before* the bombs dropped...
Woah how do you do italics?
Magic Man Put the _ symbol before and after what you want to type
_For example_
_cool_
Johnny Topside _I’m lonely_
_neat_
I like the chalkboard part, only for the raider saying "your getting paranoid, there ain't nothing here"
" traders welcome? Things like this would make me weary, wonder if anyone had fell for them""
Me:*sweats profusely*
There are parallels between Judge Zeller and the Reapers from Firefly/Serenity.
The Forged would make for a very obvious follow up to this. Very similar situation there with a raider king torturing conscripts in various ways to become a big player fast.
Also it's interesting how the raiders seem to be connected to each other; after taking out the guy at Corvega you can find terminal notes on other raider bases about them hearing about him going. The Corvega guy, a former Minuteman I believe, would be a good choice also for a video. Oh and Red and her kidnapped sister... Actually there's a lot of cool raiders out there, more so than interesting settlers and the like, so good choice for series topic!
Oh, I think I cleared this place out by accident the first time I played Fallout 4. Glad I finally figured out it was part of a quest.
The torture involving rats also appeared in the first Dishonored game, in which Corvo Attano (the protagonist) intimidated Anton Sokolov into relinquishing vital information regarding those involved in the kidnapping of Emily Kaldwin and the wrongful incrimination of Corvo himself.
There is ALWAYS certain set of morals, in all cases, at all times. Sometimes they are in the gray area, sometimes it's bent in someway depending in a situation, but moral is whats inside your heart and mind.
If you only act as a good person because there are "laws" or you are afraid to go to "hell", you are a bad person.
Did anybody else notice that he switched to his Brotherhood of Steel character towards the end?
also its nice seeing your stuff after ive actually just done the mission, you point out the stuff i always over look!
At about 5:30 I was hoping you would point out the glitched stall door that you can open and close as it phases through the toilet behind it.
coffee and bubblegum? considering the fact she's a skeleton, maybe a reference to dethklok, with the coffee jingle and later their gum ad?
just kidding, i don't think it's that, but it's the only thing that pops in my mind when thinking of coffee and bubblegum xD
it's a breakfast at tiffany's reference
I love your avatar in this video Ox! Looks just like you! Although I expected you to be wearing the Minuteman General's outfit.
I like to think I’d be a person in this universe who wants to rebuild, like Aradesh and Tandi on the west coast, or with a group like the minutemen on the east coast, but ultimately we don’t know who we’ll be until that happens if that happens
Kessler did say the raiders had trouble taking over the school. Maybe the school was once in control of the railroad. That will explain why it has 'Professor' slashed out. Or maybe the raiders killed Professor.
The blocks say "FIN" as in "The End" as many films are ended with "Fin". So, the skeleton said that he was finished.
Good quality vid as always, Ox! When is the next character study coming out?
How do you know that when the videos 23 mins long and it was uploaded minutes ago
I know most of the location's story already, having played the quest a number of times, so I skipped the exploration part and went to the confrontation with Zeller. And I think I can judge the format and technical quality of a video from what I've seen.
he probably didn't think of his throne as a throne, since he is a judge it would be his Judge's Chambers, and I guess the room before that would be the jury's chambers
the truck for the heads Professor it was probably a big fun a joke
Maybe raiders are just a group of modern artists.
I prefer Pickmans art tho
Really good!! I love when you do lore
I've started a playthrough as a raider who only targets other Raiders, using a mod that converts some settlements into raider camps. Clearing this school is gonna be good
Judge Zeller and his henchmen came out of nowhere and now are the players.
They expect money retribution to spare people's lives.
Nickname "Judge", and the gang of crooks out of nowhere made me think of a "Blood Meridian" reference, where Judge Holden came out of nowhere to lead an army of derelicts.
That skeletons really "Hanging" around.
You can also just talk to them without ever letting them out and complete the quest.
Oxhorn, your power armor has a jet pack, use it!
anyone else freaked out by the fact that judge Zeller has a blood contract on his body?
In pre-war times it was Halloween, so a student may have put those pumpkin head mannequins to try and scare another kid. How they got the mannequins in? Who the hell knows.
if Zellar's gang was just doing their stuff for survival, then they should just be happy with Bunker Hill paying them off and leave them alone, the fact Zellar is capturing people to start some kind of cult dose show he is going way beyond trying to survive giving the current situation going on between Bunker Hill and other Raider gangs
This gang reminds me of the Forged. Does Slag ever mention this group after you kill them like some groups will respond to your work in their terminals of one another?
10:32
"When they point a gun at you, it only leaves you with one option... Kill or be killed."
Yeah, that's two options.
16:40 How many ferals with rocket launchers does he know? I know raiders are drugged up idiots but that guy was bending over when they were handing out the brains.
Considering what Zeller had done to them, i would like to not kill his people, but only him. Bethesda should have added an option to convince those raiders to help you, or leave.
The way I contextualize Raider culture both in and out of game is the world of Fallout is another Dark Age. Just like the first Dark Age, Early Middle Ages, which was around 4 centuries humanity is going through a similar pattern after the fall of Rome in Europe.
A unifying civilization has collapsed. Order is gone except for small pockets. Raiders are brigands and their structure is dominance hierarchy. Whoever their “strongest” is they mimic that person.
What raider culture does show is just how fragile humanity can be. These people don’t just spawn out of thin air. (I know they do but in game story wise they don’t.) They’re either born into it, usually through horrible means, or conscripted like Zellers’ Army, or they’re seeking protection and a better life like Jake Finch.
As Ox has pointed out this is short sighted. Because there is always someone stronger. You build nothing so you have to keep raiding. Keep making enemies. Keep taking chances with your life. It’s why no raider culture survives beyond a certain point if they don’t do something to evolve culturally.
So while I understand why they are that way because they are that way they’ll be dealt with in same fashion. Violence begets violence.
I wonder if anyone ever catalogued the locations that have the question marks and "ok?" comments to see if there was any common trends.
I have a bug in Piper's interview quest that makes her end the conversation for no reason. Any help? I've already tried going without mods on a new save and it still wasn't fixed.
I wonder why Bethesda would make the super sledge obsolete because the normal sledge hammer can be turned into a tiny tank but no nuka world mods can improve the super sledge the supersledge could have had so much potential with more mods
I listened and re-listened to the part you said about the trading post reward. I don't understand how you mean it works. According to the wiki the "trading post" is just the thing you normally build with the local leader perks. Can you elaborate? The wiki's been known to be inaccurate.
A Night Court refferenc maybe.
Here's an idea Oxhorn, you could try and figure out how many people were killed by the mechanist and how many of them were innocent
I Just did this quest!!! Thank you for your amazing videos
You are my inspiration oxhorn
Nice video oxhorn keep up the great work
Maybe some raiders think the pre war world was filled with raiders look at all those hanging skeletons and skull faces. You know Halloween decorations.
What if the raiders are taking out the Railroad agents?
Seriously Ox, a pipe AND glasses?
3:50 it could be a reference to JoJo's Bizarre Adventure because they give the dog Iggy Pop coffee flavoured gum
Have you done the hubologists yet?
can you make a video about the safest place for caravans please?
This quest is cool, but only if it wasn't so bugged. I have tried to complete it 4 or 5 times in different playthroughs, but couldn't. Freed the prisoners, but Kessler didn't talk to me to end the quest. Love ya, Bethesda!
You missed the locker with the two teddy bears having sex.
People who argue that raiders do what they have to are idiots and likely to be the ones to be careful of in an apocalypse.
Lmao you said "was common for discipline in schools at the time." Yep. 2077 definitely already happened.
The one thing about fallout 4 all it feels like is just kill shit
TheUnknown Gamer realistically very few RPGs I can think of, where my time spent between Item Managing and Role playing, am I not killing things.
The Forged = Best Raider Gang
always looking forward to your stuff! good day!
If raiders love caps so much why don’t they take them off the settlers corpse
do the one one Bedford
If the prisoner was not onist Wed throw of the 3 floor
It's a post apocalyptic world so vigilante justice or mercenary behavior is understandable. What raiders do is a choice. They chose to be rapists, pillagers , and murders. They don't see the point in toiling away in fields. They take the easy route rather than the hard way.
WHAT ABOUT THE SOUTH BOSTON PREPATORY SCHOOL THO
I've always considered this method of "recruitment" to be flawed; The one person that'd make a good raider (the killer that smiled at torture) they killed. The rest of his gang is made up of scared settlers. No threat to his rule, but all he has is a large number of weak underlings. Any other raider gang could wipe these out with half the men. In reality, you could kill the judge and the rest would happily leave to be settlers again.
The Mini Details Of Dr.H Not necessarily they have been mentally broken and if Judge Zeller died they would stay the same (if I understand the level of torture they were put through) like some kidnapped people grow a connection with their captor but x1000 (like that guy from 1984 who got Winston to love “Big Brother”) killing them just ends their suffering
or they could turn on him. it's not like he overwrites their minds with raider ai. they're scared into submission, then given guns. it's a disaster waiting to happen.
Nope... Y'all wrong... Plot doesn't call for it... Lol
19:18 "Something dramatic must've happened."
Yeah Oxhorn, it's called the nuclear apocalypse.
I don't know if ox was playing dumb as a joke or really didn't think about it, but yeah, the plane that crashed because of the bombs probably caused the room to collapse.
Also, nice pic.
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That's just Oxhorn being a dad, he does that from time to time :P
I really think Zeller should have had some dialogue. would've been cool to tell him that you aren't signing the blood contract and then to kill him.
@jbiehlable haha a fellow canadian I see
@@argonnas01 it's good being candadean
Or... Or... Take the pact, then silently murder everypne who sleeps... Including zeller
That be a damn good one liner
That would require effort
I feel like the fact that Professor was crossed out and there was a blank line means that Zeller was trying to think of a title. Good thing he went for judge instead of Professor Zeller
That would make sense
Whenever I ask myself if my merciless extermination campaign against the Commonwealth's numerous Raider gangs is justified, I need only remind myself of the story being told by the Raider in Backstreet Apparel. That told me all I needed to know.
Hey Ox, if you haven't already... next time you see a sandbag barricade and you have power armor on just walk through them. Lots of fun!
don't know why we can't build sandbag defenses at settlements... Bethesda...why?
When im buisy with defending the museum of freedom and I accidently stomp a sandbag it almost gives me a hearthattack
Zeb Cheek I
That always gives me heart attacks.
@@koroit1969 Same here. First time I did it my heart leapt into my throat.
Those who claim that morality does not exist, inevitably violate it. Be careful what you claim.
Dashiell Gillingham That still happens with people who claim to have morals fam
Morality doesnt exist till someone steals from them. It's a self defeating mentality. Like people who say objective truth doesnt exist. Even though that very statement is an objective truth
Raiders just doing what they need to do to survive? Do people really think that? Maybe in the short term after the bombs fell sure, but 200+ years later in the setting of 4? There's no shortages of farms and towns, they could always just give it up and start their own. They chose to be what they are. It's just easier to take from someone than it is to do it yourself.
Hate to tell ya Black Death but Even Vikings had there own settlements and did there own farming. Like he said its a matter of choice and they chose to be that way.
To be honest, Raiders in apocalypse media as a whole is a _very_ poor portrayal of criminals and looters. Ah yes, criminals in the post apocalypse would definitely be bloodthirsty savages.
@@theinternetpolice2078 let's be honest some of them certainly would be. there's no centralized element of law and order to keep them contained or in check and the social contract has changed to where violence is much more accepted. the worst among us would most definitely take advantage of that. sure not all of them would be as bad as judge zeller but not all the raiders in this game are either. if the worst sociopaths of today do what they do imagine what they would do in this world.
So... has anyone tried stealth-boying it up to the top, killing the judge and his consorts, and seeing if the subordinate blood contracted conscript raiders give in or simply run away?
Knowing the way Bethesda programmed AI, I doubt they'd surrender.
That's my feeling too, but I'd love to hear I was wrong.
The Mudpit I did that and the raiders kept attacking
fin means finished. it's a comic book thing. and the girl skeleton with the coffee and bubblegum.
i think its a Breakfast at Tiffany's reference.
MrJamesfluke It is
MrJamesfluke its a french word, most commonly used in films, but yes comics as well.
If you are talking about the blocks, then it say's FINE not FIN..
Fin isn't just a comic book thing...
m1ksu opening credits...its a comic book thing lol
Haha edge lords waiting for the apocalypse to reveal how psycho they are.
Raiders would take a long trip off a short rope in my town
I explored this school without even doing the mission. whoops.
didn't even know about this sidequest. I just did quests for the bos.
Same here
Kaz Kinnikuman Hell, I end up doing that sort of thing while aimlessly wandering the Commonwealth. It actually caused problems. Once P.A.M. sent me to clear out a place, but I already cleared it. The synths never respawned, leaving me unable to progress.
What kind of shitty fucking open-world RPG doesn't account for exploration?
Fallout 4, apparently.
1984 is a really good book. I high recommend it.
Redeemer115 I high too, bud. Far out.
Highly* my mistake in grammar. Apologies.
No it’s propaganda
@@stevenx399 it definitely isn't, and we're getting closer to it.
Last time I was at this location one of the girl raiders on another floor made me laugh: "Power armor, Huh ? Bring it !
I like your morality sir, respect :)
I never really hanged around Bunker Hill in both or my playthroughs...
But I will definitively re-visit that school once activating the quest. Caravan traders visiting your settlement make things even more RP.
Zeller's Army is one of the more interesting gangs in the city, and one of the few with personality. I am a little surprised that you haven't covered the Corvega raiders yet, as far as I know. For many people that will be their first encounter with raiders, via the gang in Concord. And possibly their first major 'raider dungeon' if they follow Preston's quest line.
Have you ever found the skeleton by Sanctuary? The one found east of the pond/lake that surrrounds Sanctuary, north of Concord? I found a mailbox with a spine and rib cage in it and found it odd. I've been watching your videos for a couple of days and love them!
"That really only leaves you with one option: kill or be killed." Hate to nitpick, but that's TWO options.
Troodon yea but who wants to be killed? Leaving one option.
You the real MVP Ox,
Lol zeller means celery
Thats awsome! i love how they put little thing in the games like these....
Synth Curie I wonder does he judge food in his spare time
Igen, magyarul, “Zeller” azt jelenti hogz “celery”.
Judge Celery... consume the Judge to gain his vegetable knowledge!
Hey cutie
Really tho
22:22 there's always a way. pretend to break, become a raider, then stab your gang in the back. contracts, blood or not are just agreements. an agreement is extremely easy to break, just do it. if you die for it, you were going to anyway like that guy who wanted to die. but you can always get away during some shootout, and become "dead", at which point they'll almost definitely fail to enforce it. even governments tend to fail to enforce contracts, so a small ragtag group of raiders is far more likely to fail to enforce anything.
I've been watching a lot of your videos, and while I'm really enjoying your work, I think you have a huge, glaring flaw in your narration: When trying to come up with explanations for things, you always and only ascribe things either to pre-war population, or to the current raider residents. 200 years have passed since the bombs fell, and Boston has been continually inhabited since then. 200 years is an enormous gulf of time where any number of groups and even communities could have lived there.
Just think of how much happened between the founding of the USA and the Bicentennial in 1976!
Absalom Vane quit bitching n enjoy
It's a valid point. It also seems that a lot of his narration assumes everyone heard the TV/radio broadcasts. That janitor? He was probably killed by debris, but he had a bottle at school, on a Saturday. He was drinkin' on the job and that's how he got caught.
i think that’s a good point but also keep in mind that as far as the fallout writing goes most of the time, it’s as if the present day (post apocalypse) is usually the first instance of habitation post war. 200 years is more than enough time to tidy up a small area, but even larger settlements like diamond city are filled with loose debris and small rubble despite the obvious history of the place. It adds a lot to the aesthetic to assume that the fallout universe exists in only two time periods , pre war and post war
So I am known by my friends and family as a fan of the villains. In most things I find the villains more fascinating and I like delving into their pasts. I am SO with you about the raiders! They are NOT just trying to survive and (in a lot of cases) they aren't forced into doing all the raider things they do. You see that a lot in The Walking Dead too, where people say "Oh I was just doing what I had to" and you think, "no, no you had quite a few more options".
Why you no take duct tapes?
Nuclear bombs scorch the earth damn right I'm dying with a lot of soda.
I don't know what happened for Ox, but that vacant hallway with the debris blocking it ended up being a killbox for me. Over eight raiders armed with auto pipe guns, molotovs, and frag grenades. It took a fierce push in make it into the hall for a foothold. Lucky Ox.
The culture conflict is true. This game treats raiders as if they were gangs, but other Fallout games treated them as tribes. You raided because you were born to. Your parents taught you to be a raider because that was all they knew. And most knew how to work for a living when they weren't raiding, just as real life raiders. On the '90s Canadian sketch comedy "Red Green Show", habitual petty crook and former convict Mike Hammer noted "Oh, crime pays. It's just not steady." While this doesn't necessarily apply to modern organized criminals who are full time, historical raider-types often engaged in civilian jobs most of the time. Vikings and Mongols were traders just like Kessler. Buccaneers and the Sioux were hunters and meat smokers. The Navajo were craftsmen and shepherds. French corsairs and English sea dogs were gentlemen farmers. Sea Beggars and the Continentals they inspired were patriots who used raiding to fight against foreign domination. Maghrebi corsairs were holy warriors fight back against their persecutors. The term 'brigand' originally meant an unemployed warrior who turned to violence to sustain himself in peace because that was all he knew. Hell, the scourge on the horn was created by the Indian Navy chasing at the time innocent Somali fishermen off their ancestral fisheries so corporate fishing could harvest and rich Indians could get richer. Having no other way to sustain themselves, fishing being the only resource gathering possible in Somalia (no forests, no minerals, no land you can grow anything on), villages turned to kidnapping and extortion to feed themselves. And get a leg up on others. You see, the kind of greed and ambition that leads people like Zeller to torture people to make raiders out of them is the same greed and ambition as what lead Kessler to re-found Bunker Hill and turn it into a caravan hub. Indeed the worst and most vicious raiders and conquerors of all time were the same early modern and industrial era Europeans who created the modern world. The industrial revolution started with textile mills that were built with investment by British men who had already made a fortune extracting wealth from the freshly conquered India and were looking for even more money. Those mills were then fed with cotton harvested by slaves who were tortured to gain more and more free labor. The money made from _that_ went into electricity, railroads, paved road and automobiles, modern medicine, aviation, modern education and near total literacy, refrigeration and organizing the modern state. All it took was robbed South Asians and tortured African-Americans. And this isn't even going into how many nations were founded by migrant warrior castes that conquered an area and only slowly built it into a place worth living in. No, Oxhorn, while the actions in-an-of-themselves cannot be justified and I certainly enjoyed killing Zeller and setting Kessler's people free, people like raiders aren't the ones who destroy civilization. They are the bastards who are responsible for it. We just have a hard time seeing real life raiders for what they are if they look like us, dress attractively, worship our gods, and hide their crimes well. We look the other way, because we owe so much to them and their crimes and don't want to have to pay their victims back.
What if the words like professor are railroad agents that were captured and interrogated by the raiders
3:52
Really ox? there is a type of coffee in Turkey with gum in it
i dont like it personally but yeah just think of it
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Things have slowed down here at work and that means its time for the friendly neighborhood Oxhorn!!!
"In this world, it's kill or be killed."
- Flowey, UNDERTALE
This is a perfect spot for a mirelurk den
when i went there without the quest i saw the signs like welcome traders
i went nope
nope
nope
nope
and backed off
(low level)
Interesting side note, if you don't completely clear the place but do complete the mission, if you go back they will ALL be there again except the body of Zeller is just a raider psycho with a blood contract on him, Bethesda is pretty funny with there glitches sometimes lol. #FatherisnotShaun