Review Butterfly Dignics 09c - The only one for all?
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- Опубликовано: 15 июн 2024
- Today I review the Butterfly Dignics 09c rubber for you. This rubber is really something special for me, not only because I play it myself on forehand and backhand, but I have significantly contributed to the development. I would even say that I pushed my supplier Butterfly to develop such a rubber. I would like to introduce you to some of the features of the Dignics 09c, weigh the pros and cons and clarify whether the racket is really suitable for everyone. Enjoy it.
Chapters:
00:00 Intro
01:36 Development
02:15 Speed Test
02:58 Trajectory Test
03:28 Contact Length
04:09 Serve
04:38 Receive
05:20 Topspin
07:10 Blocking
07:35 Pros & Cons
08:50 Comparison
09:56 For whom?
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I am 42 years old and got back to playing table tennis again after 20 years because of Timo Boll. Now my daughter trains to be like you someday.
One of the most humble and honest player/review given for any sport despite being a contracted butterfly player.
I'm amazed! I have never seen such a good review. It covers every aspect of the game and it's high quality video. Thanks Timo. I'm looking forward to the new reviews that are coming up.
Sir, you are the only one who inspires me to play table tennis. Love from India...
Literally excited to watch your hand switch in the upcoming olympic. Good luck.
This is probably the best review I've ever seen of a TT rubber. Very objective and caters to all levels of players ☺️
Thanks for all the great videos Timo. Good luck in the future.
Great video as always Timo! Keep on that way! 👍👍💪🏼💪🏼🏓🏓
You are one of the most inspiring athletes I know. Keep up the good work!
Excellent review on D09c. Thanks, Timo.
You can definitely be proud of it our good sir. It is the best rubber out there for the new game. Got my first pair May 2020 and it felt like the best of revelations. Congratulations.
Although I'm not going to try Dignics 09c anytime soon, the comparisons and characteristics are quite useful for any other rubbers, thanks Timo!!
Hey Timo,
Nice review with a lot of informations.
I do like this video very much.
Hey Timo,
Can you make video about the different footwork techniques. Like steps, jumps and cross steps.
Yes please , very good idea.
Thank you Timo for sharing your feedback with us. I 'll be testing Dignics 09c with my Stiga Dynasty Carbon. We will see 🙂 🏓, because I'm a lefty penholder. Great video as always.
I'm using it and it's excellent even for a beginner like me. Very safe and durable. Thank you Timo!
Does sound like a great rubber 😊 Thanks for the review!
From the moment you presented the 09C, I started using it just like you, on the forehand and backhand. I find it perfect for the backhand by the way. The durability is not to bad, but certainly not as good as the Dignics 05. I find the 09C a little too fast on short balls for my TB ALC, like you said the ball pops up, but on an all wood blade it works great!
it started when the chinese rubber manufacturer started encroaching into the spring sponge domain. Now the European / Japanese manufacturer are fighting back by releasing tacky rubber with spring sponge characteristic ( what they called the hybrid rubber ). It is an exiting time to be in this sport!
Timo: "I fly to Japan to test Dignics"
me: "Now, I understand why it's so expensive"
Joke aside, good job Timo !
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Timo Boll designed rubber must be excellent 👍
... eine trockene, sachliche Bewertung, das Video dazu ist ausführlich und hilfreich. Der Belag ist richtig gut und für 95 % aller Spieler - in Verbindung mit entsprechenden Hölzern - schnell genug. Außerdem hat ja auch niemand behauptet, dass sich dieser Belag nur am Tempo orientiert. Klasse Werbung für den 09c ... 👍👍👍
Very clear review, he is doing even better than most of the youtubers.
Hi Timo! Huge fan of yours over 20 years! Love the review but more importantly I love your shirt! Can I get one of your tournament jerseys so I can frame it
Super Video wie immer mach weiter so Timo Boll.
video editing skills through the roof :D
Hey Timo great rubber. Many players started using this rubber. In your next video can you tell how to choose a rubber.
Thanks for patient to develop best rubber
From my standpoint, what Timo Boll mentioned is correct. Something I would like to add on is your basic techniques have to be fluid to control this rubber since you are preparing for some rallies in a Dignics 09c game. Meanwhile it would be frustrating if you play against weird styles like penhold short pips with this rubber to combat the fast and no spin ball. Sorry to say boosted Hurricane 3 is still much more dominant than Dignics 09c as the shot quality, serve and recieve are up the roof which D09c that focus on different styles cannot act as an alternative. However, it is always a good rubber to switch from tensor rubbers to aquire more control.
Very nice and honest review. If you compare it with butterfly 05, whats the difference in speed, arc, control, spin, hardness, how much ball stays on the rubber?
All might need this 🌟
Hi Timo and Team Timo !
Thanks for your technical overview. As clinical as you are I would not expect anything better for your game, it does fit you like a glove. It does look like a more "forgiving" rubber due of it's dwell time. But I have a question, what about WEIGHT ? I love TGY 05 but NOT the weight (my preference). Since this rubber seems more elastic, is it a little lighter ?!
PS Good luck with your health (mainly)... cuz technically pffft.... you are as close to a robot as a human can be ! (in a good way of course)
Sehr gute Review. Danke. Timo, welchen butterfly Belag würdest du mir für die Rückhand empfehlen, wenn man damit fast ausschließlich nur blockt und nah am Tisch steht, kaum winner Topspins macht, eher platziert spielt? 🙏🏻
Receive: Amazing
Serve: Amazing
FH: Amazing
BH: Wonderful
Tackiness: Just like Hurricane 3 neo
Grippyness: just like Donic BlueGrip C2
Price: OMG how is this that expensive
(I was confused at first since I used cheaper Butterfly rubbers in the past before chinese rubbers, like Sriver Fx and Sapphira)
Great review! No doubt that this rubber is great for topspin and flicks. What about the short push, is it easy to execute? Is it easy to return no spin serves?
Toller Belag und tolles Review Timo, danke!
Du hast doch mal mit Ma Longs Schläger gespielt.. Hat der eigentlich auch so einen "High Arc", also einen hohen Ballabsprungswinkel?
Timo saying he wasnt involved as much in a product as the Dignics 09c
also Timo has his own coffee now.
probably didn't take 5 years of product testing to make a coffee hah
Timo "i play them myself" 5 min's later at Butterfly "we are out of Dignics 09c's" xD
Not at $100 per sheet
Amazing review @timoboll !🏓 One more thing we wanted to know is about the durability. 😄
Durability is great, even if it looks old and dirty
@@timoboll8381 👍
Sehr cool! :D Nice cut nachm Ballmalheur :D
Sehr informatives video, wie immer. Ich weiss das es wahrscheinlich nicht möglich ist aber es wäre toll wenn Du mal einige der Billig-Kopien von den Hölzern und Belägen von Butterfly, DHS usw testen könntest. Es gibt einige Fabrikate die das Butterfly Timo Boll ALC imitieren ( Yinhe V14 Pro, Sanwei F3, Gambler AC Hero) und bei Belägen gibt es auch viele Alternativen zu den "tacky' Chinese rubbers" die nur kleines Geld kosten. Einige von denen mit gutem Schwamm spielen sich sehr gut ohne Booster, da wäre es interessant die Meinung eines Profis zu hören, für all die Anfänger wie mich die es einfach für Unverhältnismäßig halten mit einem 350 Euro Schläger an die Platte zu treten egal was der Kontostand ermöglicht. Als "beginner/ intermediate" braucht man vielleicht einfach nicht so ein Super-Ding.
Ich selbst habe gerade meinen ersten Schläger, einen 100 Euro Markenschlaeger mit ESN Belägen, gegen so ein "Budget Fabrikat" eingetauscht und finde es sowohl von der Qualität als auch vom "Vibe" einfach wesentlich besser passend, das liegt vielleicht auch daran das meine Generation ( Ich bin 56) als Kinder von unseren Eltern immer zu hören bekommen haben das " wenn der Bauer nicht schwimmen kann liegt es an der Badehose", haha.
Wie dem auch sei , tolle videos, Ich freue mich schon auf das nächste.
Tru the only thing I struggle with this rubber is the short serve receives but apart of this the rubber is amazing
Very high quality video from one of the highest level players in the world.
Hi Timo, Thanks for your review about this product. Would you mind telling me how yOu clean the rubber right after training or actual game as the daily bases? Thank you
more brands should look into this
Great review, champ !
Please review butterfly aibiss too sir ♥️
Super Video Timo. Vielen Dank dafür :) Ich finde es immer spannend wie die Profis Dinge bewerten.
Allerdings hat nicht nur der 09c, sondern die ganze Reihe, einen großen Nachteil. Den Preis! 80€ für einen Belag ist einfach utopisch und absolut unverhältnismäßig. Als Vertragsspieler ist das einfach, aber wir "normalos" profitieren davon nicht. Leider.
Stimmt. Wir Profis haben leicht reden, aber der Dignics 09c ist wirklich etwas besonderes
@@timoboll8381 Erstmal Danke für die Antwort :)
Das mag sein, dass der 09c etwas besonderes ist und das glaube ich Dir auch. Ich habe den Dignics 05 testen dürfen und der war schon gut. Eine Weiterentwicklung zum T05, keine Frage. Ich tue mich nur schwer diesen Belag als empfehlenswert zu bezeichnen. 60€ für die Tenergys ist schon die absolute Obergrenze und dann 80€ für 1 Dignics. Nein danke. Egal wie gut der Belag ist, er ist zu teuer.
Tenergys billiger machen (45€-50€) und den Dignics bei 60€ ansetzen. Ist auch viel Geld, aber wäre mal ein Schritt in die richtige Richtung. Vielleicht kannst Du, mit deinem Einfluss und wenn du dahingehend Verständnis hast, ja irgendwie was erreichen. Uns würde es jedenfalls sehr freuen :)
P. S.: Sorry für die lange Nachricht 🙈
Hi Timo. Great video, but u seems missed or skipped some of the weak parts 09C on some testing like hitting, or returning short spinny serves.
This is very high quality of review.. Very High quality of videos,.very High quality of player..very high quality of explanation.. ⭐⭐⭐⭐⭐
Hi Timo dabke dass du uns Hilfe gibst wie wir spielen sollen. Legende👍👍👍🏓
Hi Timo - great video as always! I have recently started using the Tenergy 19 and find it very controlled compared to other Tenergy rubbers, but also fast. How would you say the Dignics 09c compares to this rubber - is it much slower?
Hi Timo, würdest du generell immer maximale Belagstärke empfehlen oder kann es auch Sinn machen den Belag dünner zu kaufen für eventuell mehr Kontrolle?
Thanks!
Would be great to know pros and cons compared to Tenergy 05?
nice quality video !!!! but can you compere the dignics 09c and dhs hurricane 3 national blue sponge ???
Hi Timo, would you prefer the Dignics 09C over the Tenergy Rubbers? Especially the Tenergy 19 as well, because your review was amazing and quite informative as well. Also because I don't know a lot about the characteristics of the Tenergy 19.
If you like soft feel at BH, you will like T19.
T19 is not soft don't be fooled.
Hi timo! Great review as always, i gave it a try on forehand after many years of boosted huricane on my fh, and i can say that its better for counter topspin but more sensitive on returns and less spin on serves... I might stick with it... What about the bh??? That was what i was waiting for because you are the only one that play with it on bh... What are the pros and cons??? Thanks timo
As I mentioned in the review. Great control, good for counterspin. Same for backhand
@@timoboll8381 thanks for answering me! I promise i will give it a try on bh! Though its a heavy rubber and might be a weight issue with my 89 grm hurricane long 5...
@@timoboll8381 hey timo Mann Wunsch wäre es mal gegen dich spielen zu dürfen würde mich riesig darüber freuen bin ein ganz großer Fan von dir deine Videos sind unglaublich gut wie du was erklärst
I personally really like the Tenergy 05fx because it is fast, but still controllable
Fits my play perfectly.
I did not get to play for a long while now tho, must be 3 months since Ive trained the last time, the Pandemic is really hurting my sport
Feel your pain mate, haven’t played since February last year. Optimistic restrictions will be lifted soon... hopefully!
Talk to the butterfly to make more rubbers like this , to have from what to choise. For example for me would need with extreme low trajectory.
Hey Timo one short question, because I think no one asked yet:
How do you clean your rubbers and especially the Dignics 09C with its sticky surface?
With normal rubber cleaner sticky rubbers shouldn’t be cleaned not to destroy the surface.
Hi Timo. What is biggest difference for you between 09 c and 05 hard? Thank you
( I will be referring to the national blue sponge version of H3). D09c has a much higher throw than H3. H3 is much more tacky. D09c is faster while using less power. They're about equal when using maximum power. You can feel the catapult from D09c. H3 has ZERO catapult, which is what allows for counter forehands with 100% power from mid distance. At the top end and everywhere except for the mid-power shots, H3 will outspin D09c. Hitting H3 flat is not recommended. You can still hit D09c flat.
Hab mal gegen dich in München auf ein Werbedreh für die DTTL gespielt (kleiner Inder) aber ist sehr lange her. Gut dich zu sehen spiele wieder aktiv seit 1 Jahr und schau dir fleißig zu. Du hast mir auch ein mini Butterfly Driver geschenkt den ich heute noch besitze. Fields and Frame hieß die Firma wir haben dich und andere Profis in der Green Box Spielen Lassen und mein großer Bruder hat dich herausgefordert gegen mich zu Spielen da ich mal in der Jugend recht gut war. Du hast mich 12 : 3 fertig gemacht. Ich hab dir noch gesagt du kannst froh sein das ich nicht weitergemacht habe LoL. Tolles Video es hat mich überzeugt ich glaube ich kopiere dein Setup. PS. Eine Revanche wäre nett das kann ich so nicht stehen Lassen als ehemaliger Bayrischer Meister. Viel Glück dir weiterhin und hab dich Wohl Timo. ;)
Hi Timo, could you tell us if you ever have play against Alexis or Felix Lebrun who use dignics 09c in both sides?
I am newer to the game I play with hurricane 3 neo rubber on my forehand and I really like it what are the differences between the hurricane and the dignics?
I am using T05 on my FH for years, if i would like to use dignics09C is there will be a lot of adjusment in term of how to use it? Am kind of all around player by the way with amateur level. Thanks Timo, your advice highly appreciated
It takes some time to get used to play, but for basic shots like forehand topspin, you should have immediately a very good feeling with it
I tried this rubber and think it's one of the best I have ever used. Timo is right that it's not fast, but the control and spin make up for that. I think it's speed actually comes after it bounces, because the ball comes at decent pace but kicks off the table . Most of the players I play against complain about how the ball kicks and the dip once it hits the table.
Tolles Video....Danke Timo. Evtl. kannst Du ja mal Deinen Einfluss bei Butterfly nutzen um die Entwicklung einer neuen langen Noppe anzuregen....da ist ja in letzter Zeit nicht wirklich was passiert. Danke sagt der Franke😉
Haha, da kann ich aber an der Entwicklung nicht wirklich helfen
@@timoboll8381 aber mal anregen.....
Hi Timo, amazing video! Question though: I had a tenergy05 on my backhand and i switched it with dignics05, and it feels amazing, more consistent, safe, and I'm thinking about putting a dignics05 on my forehand too, instead of a tenergy05, and play both sides dignics05. Do you think d05 would be good on the forehand as well?
Thank you
I play the Timo Boll ALC blade and really love it. And investing this amount of money into a blade that you can virtually play "forever" seemed reasonable to me. But four Dignics a year (if you use them on forehand and backhand) is simply out of my budget. Unfortunately, because I am sure the rubber is top notch... Nevertheless a very interesting video! Thanks a lot.
Anyway I hope you will have the ability one day to switch to 09c. ALC is a great choice by the way
@@timoboll8381 what about for Viscaria?
@@nosrejadorable there are a lot of fakes in that wood Viscaria
@@glennlubomirskynovitch3254 what wood are you referring to?
@@nosrejadorable Viscaria it's the mother of many blades ( Timo, Ovtcharov, Marcos Freitas,...). Timo Boll ALC as slightly different shape ( less wood by cut near handle) . Basicaly Viscaria = exactly same.
Benutzt du 2.1 mm auf der Vorhand und 1.9 mm auf Rückhand oder auf beiden Seiten 2.1 mm?
boosting can be a headache sometimes. I used to use the dhs sun yingsha blade and boost dhs hurricane 3 neo 40 degrees provincial version with 3 layers of booster. putting a bit extra or a bit less affects the characteristics greatly and after 2 months you would need to buy another rubber or reboost because it doesnt last long. and u need different amount of booster depending on the blade.
Tanya coach Bagaimana klo butterfly dignics 09 waktu di gunakan untuk spin gantung, supaya memperoleh kecepatan penuh , waktu menghadapi cop yg tajam.. Trimakasih
I once got a chance to play Dignics 09c by using my friend's racket, the feel is amazing, as if there was a magic inside it.
Hey Timo! Can you suggest me one defensive racket and one defensive sponge?
Is the Dignics good if you play just balloon defense? So no attacking at all. (Surely on higher classes you can't win with the style, but in my amateur league it means a lot of fun!)
Is the hurricane 3 national blue sponge a lot slower than this coz the national version is pre boosted
Legends never die
I wonder, who dislikes these great Timo videos???
(Ma Long?)
Timo and Ma Long are actually good acquaintances 😊
@@jerryaurum legend recognizes other legend
I've been playing with the 09c for little while now and feel as though the top sheet loses the grip quite quickly compared to the tenergy or other dignics rubbers. Not sure if anyone else has the same issues but find myself needing to replace it more frequently than my Dignics 05 that I use on my backhand side.
I agree, the rubber in general last a long time but as the sponge is hard and it's very dependent on the grip any loss seems to make a big difference.
How about you give TableTennis Dan a little coaching :D, what do you think Timo.
Yasaka Rakza Z is quite similar to Dignics 09c having 50% less price. As compared with Hurricane, may please consider the similar hybrid rubbers like RAKZA Z and RAKZA Z extra hard as well.
I haven't heard of the Rakza rubber, so I can't imagine it's as good as Dignics 09c. But if it's 50% off and you're happy with it, why not
@@timoboll8381 www.tabletennis11.com/other_eng/yasaka-rakza-z
Spinart from butterfly is also tacky. How do these two rubbers compare ? Thanks in advance.
Defenders generaly like sticky rubbers, i've seen many using dhs hurricane and dhs skyline. As for begginers, shouldn't they focus on learning the basics on slow controlled rackets rather than learning to depend on the equipment?
Der Belag ist wirklich nicht für jedermann, gerade in Deutschland, wo fast jeder "Katapult Monster" spielt, fehlt den meisten der Speed...😂👍
Aber mich als Spinspieler spricht der Belag an. Für ist mich ist Tunen ebenfalls ein No-Go und die China Beläge verlieren ihr "Factory-Tuning" nach zwei Wochen! Nach einem Jahr Corona hab ich den Belag wieder ausgepackt und er fühlte sich noch gut an... Für die Schnitt-Abwehr finde ich den Belag eigentlich auch ganz gut... Agressiv Schupfen geht auch wunderbar. Der Ball hat beim Topspin und Schupf eine schöne Länge! Kurzhalten geht wunderbar nur manchmal springt der Ball sehr hoch ab...
Bei der Eröffnung oder Flip auf Schnitt wird's jedoch schwieriger im Vergleich zum T05, da fehlt einem der Katapult.
Im spinlosen Konterspiel ist er halt wirklich nicht gut und leider wird auch selten erwähnt wie schwer diese Beläge sind! Das kann bei geringem Trainingsaufwand schnell zu Schmerzen im Handgelenk führen und an Turniertagen könnte einem Amateur doch irgendwann die Puste ausgehen...
sir please tell how you developed your unique forehand topspin
Is it like Friendship 729(FX)?
Nothing beats T05.
Hello Timo Boll, we are waiting new teaching videos, they helps to as.
Hi, can you write please the type of butterfly pants dressed on TIMO on this video??
Great rubber, i will not switch back to tenergy 05 on forehand, on backhand its too hard for us mortals
For backhand it's a bit harder to get used to it
Sir 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
You are even better with a wood
?
Nice
Ich habe das Mizutani Jun Super ZLC.
Wäre der 09c mit diesem Holz eine gute Kombination ?
Gruß
Kevin
Ich denke schon.
How fast is it compared to TEN 05?
Hoping for a giveaway :D
Compared to tenergy rubbers how is the weight of Dignigs 09C ? Is heavier or more light ?
It’s the same
It's much heavier, I just bought a sheet, that's the drawback.
Timo can you still beat the kuka bot?
Is the sponge hard enough for you or do you play a harder sponge than the one we can buy?
That's a nice question! I wanna know the answer
I'm weighing out the harder ones for forehand and softer ones for backhand
@@timoboll8381 thank you!
Every one good luck