Thanks again Aaron! I don't know if everybody realizes what a special type of person it takes to let somebody drive their prized possession on the track. Truly impressive car and I learned a lot from our conversation. 👊
@@shize9ine I guess the question is, barrier to entry into what? A well prepped SRF will be about double the cost of your $20k C5, can only be used on the track, and will require a trailer and tow vehicle. So if you just want to do track days or time trials, the C5 is the easy button. If you want to get into competitive racing, I think the SRF is definitely the better move.
Great video, and an even better question to attempt to answer! I can't wait to see what you end up with, and might just end up joining you! Please keep us posted.
You can count on me keeping you posted. I think I'm finally getting some personal clarity on where I want to head with my motorsports journey and that's great from a RUclips perspective because it helps me see what kind of videos I want to make.
@@JoshVanVeld My Z06 build is completely a "dream car" build and not a serious track-day build. I care too much about this car. If I was retired and had a lot more money than I do, I could imagine doing enough seat time in this to really drive it near its potential. Someone is going to inherit this car when I die. But growing up, both 2 and 4 wheel, I spent a lot of time flogging things without a lot of power. And I think low amounts of power really stresses the value of corner exit speed and hanging on to momentum. I would not trade my karting experience as a kid for anything.
@@yzScott Yeah! Too many people let their ego get in the way of aspiring to something with low weight and low power that they can really learn to drive / ride. My hope is for the Z06 to fill the weekend street car role that's also capable of doing a track day in a pinch, but then have something else that's a dedicated track car, possibly a race car that gives me a lot more seat time.
@@JoshVanVeld I have been investigating a return to kart racing. There is a great track less than an hour away. Similar, but cheaper, idea. In other news, the ported MSD, NW103, ID1050 Injectors and Halltech MF103 sold as a single lot in less than 24 hours on Corvette Forums. I guess I should have asked more. Hopefully my seats will go that fast when I list them.
@@yzScott Given how forum use has fallen off over the years it's great how corvette forum continues to be a really useful place to get info and to buy and sell stuff. I've thought about getting into karting (AMP has a great kart track) but I use RUclips to keep me focused on the automotive side of things. I have a tendency to jump from hobby to hobby because I find so many things interesting.
Watched this video on the way Pitt Race, and it was cool to finally see what these cars are. There is a small fleet of them in the Tech garage at Brainerd, but nobody knew much about them. Now I know what they are.
I had heard of them because they are in iRacing but unfortunately the way they implemented it in the sim makes the car seem ultra twitchy, especially under braking, and the steering is super light. Not like real life at all.
@@metzgerf16 I'd never run on slicks before and it was pretty mind-blowing how much grip there was. No understeer chucking it into corners, no hint of lock-up on the brakes. Seems like a great incremental step up from a Miata.
Thanks! Super fun. We talked about it compared to the SR1 but I cut it to keep the video run length down. I ran a 1:22 or 1:23 at AMP with the SR1 at the end of the 3-day Primal school and that was limited to 75% throttle, so the SR1 is a much faster car. Lighter, more power, real aero. I think it also feels a little more refined - pneumatic paddle shifters, steering effort is lighter... Great car to drive for sure, but to me the SRF seems like a more practical car for racing in the US, at least based on what I know about costs and participation. If something breaks on the Radical I wouldn't want to have to wait for parts from the UK.
Spec Ford used to be called Spec Miata back in the 80's, and I understand they have the same two basic rules they originally had. Rule #1: You can paint your car any color you wish. Rule #2: You can't do anything else to it.
Spec Miata is a different class based on the production Miata chassis and engine. SRF is a purpose built tube chassis. SRF started life as Spec Renault with a Renault engine and gearbox. Gen 2 transition to Ford engine and gearbox, Gen 3 to (more or less ) current engine and gearbox. The chassis has remained essentially the same throughout with the exception of some suspension changes to accommodate parts going obsolete. I owned and raced chassis 491 for about 12 years and converted from Gen 2 to Gen 3, but I never got to the sequential gearbox, which looks like a blast.
Aaron makes a great point about how valuable a safe, reliable race car is to somebody's development. For your search I think a big factor is going to be what series has great participation in your area. Up by me spec miata draws the biggest fields. Down in Florida they have giant spec e30 fields. If I bought a SRF, I'd win every race because I'd be the only one out there.
Great point. I hadn't considered that regional participation varies a lot. In this area (maybe others) Spec Miata has a lot of young up-and-comers who are willing to do anything to win and there are a lot of costly incidents. Plus you're spending big money on a built motor if you want to be competitive. I should look into spec E30 as well. The motorsports world is a big, scary, expensive place when you're a newbie!
@@JoshVanVeld And then it also comes back to the ownership experience off the track. Do you want to spend a lot of time turning wrenches? Older cars are simpler to maintain, but finding parts can be tricky.
Spec E30 is NASA, SRF3 is SCCA. The SCCA runs at Sebring, Homestead, and Roebling Road all the time, that's all reachable for a SRF driver in Florida. Certainly you'd need to check the regional race calendar to see how many races a year there are.
@@BennyObscene This is a major point in the SRF's favor, actually - there's a CSR network and SCCA ensures that the parts remain available. If a part stops being made, they will change the specification of the part and get a different manufacturer to make parts, while keeping the old part legal.
Yeah! I'll hit up the guy who runs the Primal school at AMP and see if he'll let me take out an SR1. I did the 3-day beginner racing school there and those cars are super fun.
@@JoshVanVeld well you’d probably be less stressed at the moment. But I think Goldie is much better for the channel as the masses can relate to a street/track car far better then a track only car. I’ve now watched most of your videos and the on track reviews are great but not nearly as compelling of a story as Goldie since as the viewer we get really engaged with the whole process of excitement with you and the pain as well. It’s the reason why the most watched TV shows aren’t just sunshine and rainbows. I want to get the Jag out on the track so I can find it’s limits. I’m also going to take it to Paradise Dragstrip soon to just have some cheap fun. Going to be at the Driving Clubs Car Show & F1 watch party this Sunday with Eric.
Had a great time filming this segment with Josh. Great car and a great race class!
Thanks again Aaron! I don't know if everybody realizes what a special type of person it takes to let somebody drive their prized possession on the track. Truly impressive car and I learned a lot from our conversation. 👊
Aaron, would you say a SRF barrier to entry is lower or higher than lets say buying a 20k C5?
@@shize9ine I guess the question is, barrier to entry into what? A well prepped SRF will be about double the cost of your $20k C5, can only be used on the track, and will require a trailer and tow vehicle. So if you just want to do track days or time trials, the C5 is the easy button. If you want to get into competitive racing, I think the SRF is definitely the better move.
Love the dual camera setup for the laps! You keep making the channel better and better!
Thanks buddy. What I think it needs now is GT3 RS Content... 😅
Great video, and an even better question to attempt to answer! I can't wait to see what you end up with, and might just end up joining you! Please keep us posted.
You can count on me keeping you posted. I think I'm finally getting some personal clarity on where I want to head with my motorsports journey and that's great from a RUclips perspective because it helps me see what kind of videos I want to make.
I appreciate how much work you put into your videos. Also, the car, buy it!
Thanks!
I grew up racing karts. I love everything Aaron has to say about getting good at driving. This car looks super fun.
Totally. Aaron's philosophy on driving a racecar vs. a modified street car is super smart. There might be one of these in my future.
@@JoshVanVeld My Z06 build is completely a "dream car" build and not a serious track-day build. I care too much about this car. If I was retired and had a lot more money than I do, I could imagine doing enough seat time in this to really drive it near its potential. Someone is going to inherit this car when I die.
But growing up, both 2 and 4 wheel, I spent a lot of time flogging things without a lot of power. And I think low amounts of power really stresses the value of corner exit speed and hanging on to momentum. I would not trade my karting experience as a kid for anything.
@@yzScott Yeah! Too many people let their ego get in the way of aspiring to something with low weight and low power that they can really learn to drive / ride.
My hope is for the Z06 to fill the weekend street car role that's also capable of doing a track day in a pinch, but then have something else that's a dedicated track car, possibly a race car that gives me a lot more seat time.
@@JoshVanVeld I have been investigating a return to kart racing. There is a great track less than an hour away. Similar, but cheaper, idea.
In other news, the ported MSD, NW103, ID1050 Injectors and Halltech MF103 sold as a single lot in less than 24 hours on Corvette Forums. I guess I should have asked more. Hopefully my seats will go that fast when I list them.
@@yzScott Given how forum use has fallen off over the years it's great how corvette forum continues to be a really useful place to get info and to buy and sell stuff.
I've thought about getting into karting (AMP has a great kart track) but I use RUclips to keep me focused on the automotive side of things. I have a tendency to jump from hobby to hobby because I find so many things interesting.
I subscribed, but to keep me, I am requesting some high quality Dad jokes in any segments with your kids - great videos!
Hey buddy! Good to hear from you! Will definitely try to kick the dad jokes up a notch :)
DO IT DO IT DO IT. Bring it to Road Atlanta this weekend 👊🏽👍🏽🤙🏽🏎💨💨
I'll see what I can do :)
@@JoshVanVeld got it….that means you already got it and you are bringing it to Road Atlanta 🥳🎉
Watched this video on the way Pitt Race, and it was cool to finally see what these cars are. There is a small fleet of them in the Tech garage at Brainerd, but nobody knew much about them. Now I know what they are.
I had heard of them because they are in iRacing but unfortunately the way they implemented it in the sim makes the car seem ultra twitchy, especially under braking, and the steering is super light. Not like real life at all.
@@JoshVanVeld It looked like you felt comfortable in the car pretty quickly. No issues running great lap times right away.
@@metzgerf16 I'd never run on slicks before and it was pretty mind-blowing how much grip there was. No understeer chucking it into corners, no hint of lock-up on the brakes. Seems like a great incremental step up from a Miata.
Great video! That little car looks fun. I wonder what the pros/cons are compared to a Radical SR1.
Thanks! Super fun. We talked about it compared to the SR1 but I cut it to keep the video run length down. I ran a 1:22 or 1:23 at AMP with the SR1 at the end of the 3-day Primal school and that was limited to 75% throttle, so the SR1 is a much faster car. Lighter, more power, real aero. I think it also feels a little more refined - pneumatic paddle shifters, steering effort is lighter...
Great car to drive for sure, but to me the SRF seems like a more practical car for racing in the US, at least based on what I know about costs and participation. If something breaks on the Radical I wouldn't want to have to wait for parts from the UK.
Have you tried the Radical SR1/SR3 over at Primal?
Yes! I did the 3-day racing school in the SR1 and had a blast. Those are quite a bit faster.
If you haven't tried F500/F600 or F1000 I would give it a go. Those cars look insanely fun to drive.
Are you on iRacing? There is a lot to be learned and tons of different race series.
I am! Love it but I've been letting my rig collect dust lately.
If that is what you call "I underestimated how fast it was going to feel", I'd love to hear your take on a FF1600 and then a Formula Mazda....;)
Believe me, I would love to give you that take 😅
Spec Ford used to be called Spec Miata back in the 80's, and I understand they have the same two basic rules they originally had. Rule #1: You can paint your car any color you wish. Rule #2: You can't do anything else to it.
Looks like a super fun series, I want to get out and attend one of the races.
Spec Miata is a different class based on the production Miata chassis and engine. SRF is a purpose built tube chassis. SRF started life as Spec Renault with a Renault engine and gearbox. Gen 2 transition to Ford engine and gearbox, Gen 3 to (more or less ) current engine and gearbox. The chassis has remained essentially the same throughout with the exception of some suspension changes to accommodate parts going obsolete.
I owned and raced chassis 491 for about 12 years and converted from Gen 2 to Gen 3, but I never got to the sequential gearbox, which looks like a blast.
Aaron makes a great point about how valuable a safe, reliable race car is to somebody's development. For your search I think a big factor is going to be what series has great participation in your area. Up by me spec miata draws the biggest fields. Down in Florida they have giant spec e30 fields. If I bought a SRF, I'd win every race because I'd be the only one out there.
Great point. I hadn't considered that regional participation varies a lot. In this area (maybe others) Spec Miata has a lot of young up-and-comers who are willing to do anything to win and there are a lot of costly incidents. Plus you're spending big money on a built motor if you want to be competitive. I should look into spec E30 as well. The motorsports world is a big, scary, expensive place when you're a newbie!
@@JoshVanVeld And then it also comes back to the ownership experience off the track. Do you want to spend a lot of time turning wrenches? Older cars are simpler to maintain, but finding parts can be tricky.
Spec E30 is NASA, SRF3 is SCCA. The SCCA runs at Sebring, Homestead, and Roebling Road all the time, that's all reachable for a SRF driver in Florida. Certainly you'd need to check the regional race calendar to see how many races a year there are.
@@BennyObscene This is a major point in the SRF's favor, actually - there's a CSR network and SCCA ensures that the parts remain available. If a part stops being made, they will change the specification of the part and get a different manufacturer to make parts, while keeping the old part legal.
@@joshuajusticeracing Greetings fellow Josh! Thanks for dropping in and dropping some knowledge! 🧠
Depends on your budget
I think you should try a Radical
Yeah! I'll hit up the guy who runs the Primal school at AMP and see if he'll let me take out an SR1. I did the 3-day beginner racing school there and those cars are super fun.
1.28g’s in the turns is crazy!
I just rewatched this video a week or so ago and wondered how my life would be different if I'd bought one of these instead of Goldie!
@@JoshVanVeld well you’d probably be less stressed at the moment. But I think Goldie is much better for the channel as the masses can relate to a street/track car far better then a track only car. I’ve now watched most of your videos and the on track reviews are great but not nearly as compelling of a story as Goldie since as the viewer we get really engaged with the whole process of excitement with you and the pain as well. It’s the reason why the most watched TV shows aren’t just sunshine and rainbows. I want to get the Jag out on the track so I can find it’s limits. I’m also going to take it to Paradise Dragstrip soon to just have some cheap fun. Going to be at the Driving Clubs Car Show & F1 watch party this Sunday with Eric.
@@michaelschultz1104 Agreed on all counts. If you ever want to do a guest day at amp let me know.
@@JoshVanVeld that would be very cool & I will definitely take you up on that offer. Whenever it works best for you as I’m extremely flexible.
@@michaelschultz1104 Ok. I’ll reach out, maybe we can get a few guys out.
Cool video! Maybe turn the music down a little bit so it's balanced with the rest of the audio?
Thanks for the feedback, I’ll see if I can get that dialed in.
@@JoshVanVeld nice. That was really the only thing, otherwise you’ve got something cool here!
I know i'm biased, just get a new BRZ/GR86 and throw on some nice suspension and you'll have a nice reliable/cheap track toy
The thought has crossed my mind! Would you let me take yours for a spin sometime? I think it would make a killer video.